Can white Africans be considered Afri...

Level 8

Since: May 08

Pacific Northwest

#1192 Jun 11, 2013
african american wrote:
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No your assessment is accurate. But i believe that most racial groups feel uncomfortable with, lets say their sister marrying a person from another racial group. You don't have to look hard to find blogs where black women are upset about black men dating white females. I think like in america, where black people are a minority group, their feelings against intermarrying are stronger. In South Africa most whites English and Afrikaans, would not like to see their daughters or sons intermarrying...
Thank you for being honest enough to admit that. I imagine that very few Black Africans are going to get too upset with English-descent white South Africans for wanting to maintain an Anglo-Saxon (or white) line of descendants. After all, they are proudly "English." However, I can understand the rolling of eyes with exasperation at the Afrikaners who strongly want to be considered "African" but don't want their families to intermarry with Africans. That, on the face of it, is absurd.
african american wrote:
<quoted text>...I can definitely tell you if a white Dutchman from Holland or a German or Brit married an Afrikaner they are not considered an "traditional Afrikaner". It does not make a person less South African if they want white grandchildren lol. If your argument is valid, then black Americans cannot call themselves Americans. As many people in their minority group, do not want to see their children intermarrying with white Americans.
Actually, 90% or more of Black Americans approve of interracial marriage. That doesn't mean that all black parents want a white son-in-law or daughter-in-law, but it does mean that the vast majority will accept such in-laws into their family. With White Americans, the acceptance rate is lower but still in the strong majority. For example, 71% of white adults approve of a white man dating a black woman.

In the American context, part of being seen as "all-American" comes through assimilation. For many ethnic minorities this comes through marriage outside their ethnic group -- as well as across the color line for some ethnic groups who are non-white. Jews are a very good example of the "all American" identity: they are widely accepted by the vast majority of Americans and are also known to be very tolerant people who easily intermarry with others even as they maintain their own traditions.

Personally, I think that Afrikaners should just accept being "South African" and leave it at that. Nothing wrong with wanting to keep your family white while also wanting to be "South African." But to try to move beyond that with the claim of "We are Africans too!" rings very hollow. LOL - sorry, but it sounds silly.
Real African

UK

#1193 Jun 12, 2013
african american wrote:
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You did call all Afrikaners rapists and oppressors in your previous posts.If you felt this to be true, then you where accusing me of the same actions as i am an Afrikaner. If feel DNA is what makes a person African then everyone is from Africa and African, as we all migrated from Africa. I don't understand what your argument is about, is it skin color, DNA, location or citizenship? I am most definitely not a black African. I am definitely a South African based on location and citizenship. And my DNA shows my ancestors came from Africa before migrating to Europe. I have no problem with People from the Caribbean considering themselves African because of their African heritage. The only group i have a problem with is Cubans.
I did not say you and your people were rapists you cretin, I only said your people were oppressors, cant you read. Yes you are right you are South African by nationality but you can never be an African only black people can truly be African as they are indigenous to the continent. Blacks can be British or French but can never be European as blacks are not indigenous to Europe.

Please stop saying you are an African American because you are not an African American and you never will be one. How many African Americans do you interact with preferably none I expect.
Real African

UK

#1194 Jun 12, 2013
Harrisson wrote:
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Thank you for being honest enough to admit that. I imagine that very few Black Africans are going to get too upset with English-descent white South Africans for wanting to maintain an Anglo-Saxon (or white) line of descendants. After all, they are proudly "English." However, I can understand the rolling of eyes with exasperation at the Afrikaners who strongly want to be considered "African" but don't want their families to intermarry with Africans. That, on the face of it, is absurd.
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Actually, 90% or more of Black Americans approve of interracial marriage. That doesn't mean that all black parents want a white son-in-law or daughter-in-law, but it does mean that the vast majority will accept such in-laws into their family. With White Americans, the acceptance rate is lower but still in the strong majority. For example, 71% of white adults approve of a white man dating a black woman.
In the American context, part of being seen as "all-American" comes through assimilation. For many ethnic minorities this comes through marriage outside their ethnic group -- as well as across the color line for some ethnic groups who are non-white. Jews are a very good example of the "all American" identity: they are widely accepted by the vast majority of Americans and are also known to be very tolerant people who easily intermarry with others even as they maintain their own traditions.
Personally, I think that Afrikaners should just accept being "South African" and leave it at that. Nothing wrong with wanting to keep your family white while also wanting to be "South African." But to try to move beyond that with the claim of "We are Africans too!" rings very hollow. LOL - sorry, but it sounds silly.
I agree with your last statement the two Indian South Africans I know are content with being just South Africans just like most Coloureds it is only the Afrikaners who make a fuss and insist on being included as African and a lot of people have picked up on this. They are in no position to complain.

In South Africa there are:
African(black)South Africans
White South Africans
Coloured(mixed race)South Africans
Indian South Africans
african american

Hitchcock, TX

#1196 Jun 12, 2013
Harrisson wrote:
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Thank you for being honest enough to admit that. I imagine that very few Black Africans are going to get too upset with English-descent white South Africans for wanting to maintain an Anglo-Saxon (or white) line of descendants. After all, they are proudly "English." However, I can understand the rolling of eyes with exasperation at the Afrikaners who strongly want to be considered "African" but don't want their families to intermarry with Africans. That, on the face of it, is absurd.
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Actually, 90% or more of Black Americans approve of interracial marriage. That doesn't mean that all black parents want a white son-in-law or daughter-in-law, but it does mean that the vast majority will accept such in-laws into their family. With White Americans, the acceptance rate is lower but still in the strong majority. For example, 71% of white adults approve of a white man dating a black woman.
In the American context, part of being seen as "all-American" comes through assimilation. For many ethnic minorities this comes through marriage outside their ethnic group -- as well as across the color line for some ethnic groups who are non-white. Jews are a very good example of the "all American" identity: they are widely accepted by the vast majority of Americans and are also known to be very tolerant people who easily intermarry with others even as they maintain their own traditions.
Personally, I think that Afrikaners should just accept being "South African" and leave it at that. Nothing wrong with wanting to keep your family white while also wanting to be "South African." But to try to move beyond that with the claim of "We are Africans too!" rings very hollow. LOL - sorry, but it sounds silly.
I never claimed i wanted to be (African/black african) I said we want to be south african, we don't even have this right anymore.If i call myself african american, because of a dual citizenship i don't see a problem. Its not like im claiming to be black. The term african american is a relatively new one, when referring to black Americans. In all honestly most of the people ive met in america, black and white, seem not to favor interracial marriages, but who can argue against pols :P. Actually the polls stated its 86% up from 5% 60 years ago. I still believe however that no white or black parents would feel comfortable at first, with their son or daughter marrying a person of a different race at first. I mean interracial marriages white and black, only account for 2% of the population, so integration is not happening at a massive scale.Not that i have a problem with it, i just feel that if this matter hit close to home for most people, they would be a bit weirded out at first, maybe even angry. You cant use Jewish people as an example. As their culture is based on their religion. In order to marry a Jewish person you have to convert. Meaning Jewish people cannot "loose" their heritage or culture by intermarrying. Their culture is still maintained.Afrikaner culture inst strictly based on religion. I guess the Afrikaner can always force black people to convert to Christianity, force them into speaking Afrikaans,wearing khaki clothing and to braai lol. I just feel that we do not need to intermarry in order to be approved as South Africans. This to me is ridiculous. If your statement is true i am a "real" African, as i have dated black girls and colored girls before. My Sexual attraction has nothing to do with my citizenship. My history and culture makes me South African. The only claim to being African is being South African, as South Africa is apart of the African continent. As a christian you surly do not approve of lying? If i call myself South African, i am African. I'm not referring to being black. I am referring to myself being a citizen of a country with geographical borders. Having a heritage related to Southern Africa
african american

Hitchcock, TX

#1197 Jun 12, 2013
Real African wrote:
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I agree with your last statement the two Indian South Africans I know are content with being just South Africans just like most Coloureds it is only the Afrikaners who make a fuss and insist on being included as African and a lot of people have picked up on this. They are in no position to complain.
In South Africa there are:
African(black)South Africans
White South Africans
Coloured(mixed race)South Africans
Indian South Africans
And we want to be respected and considered South African nothing more. Imagine you live as a colored, indian or any other racial group in africa, except for the ANC black groups and you are not considered as part of the country. This is a challenge most people face. We have come to ignore it, but it hurts when we see peopel say we arent South African, Thats the only reason we get vocal. We do not go monaing everyday about this matter. How would you feel if you had to give up your american heritage and history because the stereotype is most blacks are criminals in america. This is wrong on any level!

Here since most of you do not believe me that Whites coloureds fight against discrimination in south africa on a daily basis ive got some links for you. As for indians and the chinese i believe their not as vocal in the media because of south africas bricks relationship. But i know from personal experience that Indians are also upset about the state of the country. The Chinese btw top any white south africans anti black mentality. Of course they might also not like whites, but they wont openly admit it to you.

http://blogs.24.com/jeanihess/2013/03/28/colo...

http://cofcc.org/2012/05/blacks-and-coloureds...

BTW I've read somewhere that the modern-day white Afrikaners genetic makeup is 34% Dutch, 33% German, 13% French, 6.9% coloured and 5% British. Its just some studies done by people like Herman Giliomee and some others. Anyway, it does not matter. My only battle is to be called south african, due to my history and citizenship. Yes this does include Africa but it does not mean i consider myself a black African. Although i might have a 6.9 % coloured genetic marker.

Im sorry i Accused you of racism i do realize this must be a sensitive topic to you as it is to me also. It is a heated debate you did not know anything about me and you might have had preconceived notions of me. Ive noticed some Afrikaners being really horrible on the site. I only saw some very racist statements towards whites before and i replied in anger./ But if you have Afrikaner and other whites spewing racial statements i guess it just causes a snowball effect. Like i said before i have noticed that Americans have huge racial issues and unfortunately ive met allot of very racist Americans. Ive actually felt america has more racism than south africa sometimes. It's disgusting growing up in an environment with people like that.It cant be easy and it can turn a person into something that he despised in the before.
Olive

UK

#1198 Jun 17, 2013
african american wrote:
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And we want to be respected and considered South African nothing more. Imagine you live as a colored, indian or any other racial group in africa, except for the ANC black groups and you are not considered as part of the country. This is a challenge most people face. We have come to ignore it, but it hurts when we see peopel say we arent South African, Thats the only reason we get vocal. We do not go monaing everyday about this matter. How would you feel if you had to give up your american heritage and history because the stereotype is most blacks are criminals in america. This is wrong on any level!
Here since most of you do not believe me that Whites coloureds fight against discrimination in south africa on a daily basis ive got some links for you. As for indians and the chinese i believe their not as vocal in the media because of south africas bricks relationship. But i know from personal experience that Indians are also upset about the state of the country. The Chinese btw top any white south africans anti black mentality. Of course they might also not like whites, but they wont openly admit it to you.
http://blogs.24.com/jeanihess/2013/03/28/colo...
http://cofcc.org/2012/05/blacks-and-coloureds...
BTW I've read somewhere that the modern-day white Afrikaners genetic makeup is 34% Dutch, 33% German, 13% French, 6.9% coloured and 5% British. Its just some studies done by people like Herman Giliomee and some others. Anyway, it does not matter. My only battle is to be called south african, due to my history and citizenship. Yes this does include Africa but it does not mean i consider myself a black African. Although i might have a 6.9 % coloured genetic marker.
Im sorry i Accused you of racism i do realize this must be a sensitive topic to you as it is to me also. It is a heated debate you did not know anything about me and you might have had preconceived notions of me. Ive noticed some Afrikaners being really horrible on the site. I only saw some very racist statements towards whites before and i replied in anger./ But if you have Afrikaner and other whites spewing racial statements i guess it just causes a snowball effect. Like i said before i have noticed that Americans have huge racial issues and unfortunately ive met allot of very racist Americans. Ive actually felt america has more racism than south africa sometimes. It's disgusting growing up in an environment with people like that.It cant be easy and it can turn a person into something that he despised in the before.
You an African American, bull are you for real, how can you possibly be an African American that is just not possible any Afrikaner claiming to be one is like me claiming to be Vietnamese. Did your ancestors come to the US in chains, of course not, what kind of nonsense is this.

Just how many blacks see you as a fellow African American.

Do you actually tick African American on any form.
Olive

UK

#1199 Jun 17, 2013
You arrogant Afrikaners seem to think you have a right to call yourselves African American upon coming to the US well sorry you don't. It is simply not right.
african american

Hitchcock, TX

#1200 Jun 17, 2013
Olive wrote:
You arrogant Afrikaners seem to think you have a right to call yourselves African American upon coming to the US well sorry you don't. It is simply not right.
You have the right to call yourself south African american due to dual citizenship more than you have the right to be called south african american. How long have you personally lived in South Africa? You know what screw your racism. Calling some one a "Boer" or "afrikaner" in the way you do, is a racist term just like the N word. I am a Afrikaner but your not using the term rtespectfully. Imagine if i had to say "you arrogant black people" or "you people" . Fact of the matter is you hold prejudice against peopel you dont know. Thats wrong at any level. hatefull people make me want to act less lovable of all people. You any other race like you create racism. Its people like yourself that are responsible for apartheid systems and jim crow laws.If your a racist like that your a lower life form. I'm tired of all you racist on this site all you do is steal time. Go and do something productive instead of bashing your fellow man.You do know stating some one is not part of a continent or culture has lead to genocide and xenophobia in almost all cases. Even in Africa certain African groups are labled as not being human not being African Labled as demons and they are black. They are then murdered your doing the same. Thats why i say any racist supports murder and therefore is a murderer. All your arguments are illogical its just based in prejudice. I have a feeling if you had to get your way you would be no better probably worse than those who treated your forefathers badly. Fact of the matter is most of those that respond here are the minority of people . Most black people dont care and their good people. Its fact if i was born in south africa and i become a citizen of america i am south african american legally. Im from a mixed heritage background but i call myself afrikaans due to the language i speak im not a person who sees color . But when im being mistreated because of my color i will fight. Stop talking down to people and just work together. Leave the past for the past after all your forefathers where just as guilty as whites and Arabs in the slave trade and in today's world there is more slavery happening and more suffering than before in history. Where is your outcry about that ? i Know that's where my focus lies these days

Level 8

Since: May 08

Pacific Northwest

#1201 Jun 19, 2013
african american wrote:
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I never claimed i wanted to be (African/black african) I said we want to be south african, we don't even have this right anymore.If i call myself african american, because of a dual citizenship i don't see a problem. Its not like im claiming to be black. The term african american is a relatively new one, when referring to black Americans. In all honestly most of the people ive met in america, black and white, seem not to favor interracial marriages, but who can argue against pols :P. Actually the polls stated its 86% up from 5% 60 years ago. I still believe however that no white or black parents would feel comfortable at first, with their son or daughter marrying a person of a different race at first. I mean interracial marriages white and black, only account for 2% of the population, so integration is not happening at a massive scale.Not that i have a problem with it, i just feel that if this matter hit close to home for most people, they would be a bit weirded out at first, maybe even angry. You cant use Jewish people as an example. As their culture is based on their religion. In order to marry a Jewish person you have to convert. Meaning Jewish people cannot "loose" their heritage or culture by intermarrying. Their culture is still maintained.Afrikaner culture inst strictly based on religion. I guess the Afrikaner can always force black people to convert to Christianity, force them into speaking Afrikaans,wearing khaki clothing and to braai lol.

I just feel that we do not need to intermarry in order to be approved as South Africans. This to me is ridiculous...
It's not whether you "need" to intermarry or not. It has more to do with how national identity is constructed in the society you want to be part of.

Every society has different rules. In Japan, I believe, it's by blood (ancestry). So under that system, if you don't have a Japanese bloodline, you can speak excellent Japanese and know all the customs and so on... but to your peers you'll never truly be Japanese regardless of what your passport says.

In the USA, however, being an "American" is very broadly defined and we have a very strong immigrant heritage which is widely cherished.

I don't know what makes a "true" South African... that's for you to figure out. But since SA does have a strong immigrant heritage just like the USA and Australia, it seems curious that you'd want to pretend that intermarrying doesn't matter.

If forging ties of kinship between different communities via marriage is not important, then one important question to ask is "How do these different groups feel as though they are part of one nation?" How does national unity work?
african american

Hitchcock, TX

#1202 Jun 19, 2013
Harrisson wrote:
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It's not whether you "need" to intermarry or not. It has more to do with how national identity is constructed in the society you want to be part of.
Every society has different rules. In Japan, I believe, it's by blood (ancestry). So under that system, if you don't have a Japanese bloodline, you can speak excellent Japanese and know all the customs and so on... but to your peers you'll never truly be Japanese regardless of what your passport says.
In the USA, however, being an "American" is very broadly defined and we have a very strong immigrant heritage which is widely cherished.
I don't know what makes a "true" South African... that's for you to figure out. But since SA does have a strong immigrant heritage just like the USA and Australia, it seems curious that you'd want to pretend that intermarrying doesn't matter.
If forging ties of kinship between different communities via marriage is not important, then one important question to ask is "How do these different groups feel as though they are part of one nation?" How does national unity work?
Nation building is what we should strive for. I have to admit under the new South Africa with its corrupt government, most people white and black face a lot of the same struggles. The problem moved from racism to classism, in South Africa. I actually believe if people struggle through the same situations together, it brings them closer. That's why i said i think we are less racist these days in South Africa, than the level of racism ive seen in America. Although racism still does exist, its not the main struggle in South Africa anymore. Some political parties seem to want to keep it alive though. If we work together to solves problems and have an open debate about the problems we face, it becomes easier to relate to one another. We start moving away form demonizing each other and humanizing those that seem to not be like us. Btw, i think religion can play a big role in uniting people also if you fall under the same religious group though. Same counts for politics. Unfortunately we all do not follow the same political party or religion so it becomes irrelevant. I thin as we see the gaps between the rich and the poor grow we will see more unity among people against the wealthy classes. In Europe this helped unite people in the past although it had a negative outcome and people still died. interracial marriages do not solve differences (i'm not against them. That's a case of love and attraction, not color). My wife is white yet culturally very different form me. I love her although im not fond of her culture. American culture frustrates me frankly lol. And this is white on white marriage. interracial marriages did not work in the past to bringing groups together, it wont work today. The only thing it managed to do in South Africa, was form another separate group. In my family im a whole mix of nations I even have coloured DNA in me. I only associate myself with being South African. I still don't understand the other cultures im from, as i am to far removed from them. Culturally the offspring of interracial married couples lean towards and supports mostly one side of their cultural heritage. Even in South Africa we had Xenophobic attacks on Africans across the border form us, less than 5 years ago. Being black didn't not bring those groups together. Some of those black people were actually South African blacks, but because they had an accent from living in the city, they where still attacked and murdered. I think we should rather just preach tolerance. People always seem to lean towards groups that they prefer and we wont get rid of that.
Olive

UK

#1203 Jun 24, 2013
african american wrote:
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You have the right to call yourself south African american due to dual citizenship more than you have the right to be called south african american. How long have you personally lived in South Africa? You know what screw your racism. Calling some one a "Boer" or "afrikaner" in the way you do, is a racist term just like the N word. I am a Afrikaner but your not using the term rtespectfully. Imagine if i had to say "you arrogant black people" or "you people" . Fact of the matter is you hold prejudice against peopel you dont know. Thats wrong at any level. hatefull people make me want to act less lovable of all people. You any other race like you create racism. Its people like yourself that are responsible for apartheid systems and jim crow laws.If your a racist like that your a lower life form. I'm tired of all you racist on this site all you do is steal time. Go and do something productive instead of bashing your fellow man.You do know stating some one is not part of a continent or culture has lead to genocide and xenophobia in almost all cases. Even in Africa certain African groups are labled as not being human not being African Labled as demons and they are black. They are then murdered your doing the same. Thats why i say any racist supports murder and therefore is a murderer. All your arguments are illogical its just based in prejudice. I have a feeling if you had to get your way you would be no better probably worse than those who treated your forefathers badly. Fact of the matter is most of those that respond here are the minority of people . Most black people dont care and their good people. Its fact if i was born in south africa and i become a citizen of america i am south african american legally. Im from a mixed heritage background but i call myself afrikaans due to the language i speak im not a person who sees color . But when im being mistreated because of my color i will fight. Stop talking down to people and just work together. Leave the past for the past after all your forefathers where just as guilty as whites and Arabs in the slave trade and in today's world there is more slavery happening and more suffering than before in history. Where is your outcry about that ? i Know that's where my focus lies these days
I am not a racist you don't have no right to call yourself an African American because you are of European heritage which means you can never be an African American I notice that if anyone mentions about your peoples transgressions you cry racist, that is like a German calling any Jew a racist if they say most Germans supported Hitler during the Third Reich or if they mention the Holocaust. This thread is about if whites born in Africa should be included as African American I say a big resounding no as they are not the kin/brethren of the indigenous/true African. You are indeed a SOUTH African American but not an AFRICAN American there is a difference.

You need to calm down and stop being so touchy.
By the way I have never lived in South Africa, I am not South African.
anonymousofcours e

Honolulu, HI

#1204 Jun 24, 2013
african american wrote:
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Nation building is what we should strive for. I have to admit under the new South Africa with its corrupt government, most people white and black face a lot of the same struggles. The problem moved from racism to classism, in South Africa. I actually believe if people struggle through the same situations together, it brings them closer. That's why i said i think we are less racist these days in South Africa, than the level of racism ive seen in America. Although racism still does exist, its not the main struggle in South Africa anymore. Some political parties seem to want to keep it alive though. If we work together to solves problems and have an open debate about the problems we face, it becomes easier to relate to one another. We start moving away form demonizing each other and humanizing those that seem to not be like us. Btw, i think religion can play a big role in uniting people also if you fall under the same religious group though. Same counts for politics. Unfortunately we all do not follow the same political party or religion so it becomes irrelevant. I thin as we see the gaps between the rich and the poor grow we will see more unity among people against the wealthy classes. In Europe this helped unite people in the past although it had a negative outcome and people still died. interracial marriages do not solve differences (i'm not against them. That's a case of love and attraction, not color). My wife is white yet culturally very different form me. I love her although im not fond of her culture. American culture frustrates me frankly lol. And this is white on white marriage. interracial marriages did not work in the past to bringing groups together, it wont work today. The only thing it managed to do in South Africa, was form another separate group. In my family im a whole mix of nations I even have coloured DNA in me. I only associate myself with being South African. I still don't understand the other cultures im from, as i am to far removed from them. Culturally the offspring of interracial married couples lean towards and supports mostly one side of their cultural heritage. Even in South Africa we had Xenophobic attacks on Africans across the border form us, less than 5 years ago. Being black didn't not bring those groups together. Some of those black people were actually South African blacks, but because they had an accent from living in the city, they where still attacked and murdered. I think we should rather just preach tolerance. People always seem to lean towards groups that they prefer and we wont get rid of that.
I so agree with you. This should happen in America as well.
african american

Hitchcock, TX

#1205 Jun 24, 2013
Olive wrote:
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I am not a racist you don't have no right to call yourself an African American because you are of European heritage which means you can never be an African American I notice that if anyone mentions about your peoples transgressions you cry racist, that is like a German calling any Jew a racist if they say most Germans supported Hitler during the Third Reich or if they mention the Holocaust. This thread is about if whites born in Africa should be included as African American I say a big resounding no as they are not the kin/brethren of the indigenous/true African. You are indeed a SOUTH African American but not an AFRICAN American there is a difference.
You need to calm down and stop being so touchy.
By the way I have never lived in South Africa, I am not South African.
no i call u a racist, because u keep referring to me as a Boer in a derogatory way. Also blaming me for horrible acts of a few in the past is stereotyping, which is also a form of racism. That's like say all blacks are criminals. Because a few blacks are criminals and statistically more likely to end up in jail (which has nothing to do with skin color). You are a racist your just to blind to see it. How many times do i have to say if i'm American ill be South African American. Because of my dual citizenship. The term African American is a ridiculous term, as their are many countries regions and tribes in Africa. What part are you from? Because i can guarantee you, if you side with the wrong side, you will get killed in Africa. Black people in Africa are very proud of their individual cultures . When they refer to themselves they will tell you what location, country and tribe their from, also what language they speak, just like Europeans. I'm not touchy im just fighting against blatant stereotyping and racism. I'm not denying South Africans history. If you knew South Africa you'd know how many people of each color died to get it where it is today. Each race here did horrible deeds.
african american

Hitchcock, TX

#1206 Jun 24, 2013
Olive wrote:
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I am not a racist you don't have no right to call yourself an African American because you are of European heritage which means you can never be an African American I notice that if anyone mentions about your peoples transgressions you cry racist, that is like a German calling any Jew a racist if they say most Germans supported Hitler during the Third Reich or if they mention the Holocaust. This thread is about if whites born in Africa should be included as African American I say a big resounding no as they are not the kin/brethren of the indigenous/true African. You are indeed a SOUTH African American but not an AFRICAN American there is a difference.
You need to calm down and stop being so touchy.
By the way I have never lived in South Africa, I am not South African.
Boer means farmer. But black people have used it as a derogatory word in South Africa. With Songs like "kill the Boer, kill the farmer". Which is used even after Apartheid to murder farmers. Mainly because their easy targets, in remote locations. Their not just killed their skinned, hacked up alive, Raped, burned and tortured for days. Whole families. Genocide watch has placed South Africa on their genocide watch list, because of the thousands of farmers being systematically erased. Because of racism. Which is ironic, because even though yes the farmers did support apartheid. The Afrikaners made up the majority rule. Farmers are actually the least racist people. Being able to talk African languages and including their black farm workers as part of the family. The AWB which is a racist group made up of farmers and Afrikaners where laughed at even by whites during the apartheid days. Their lunatics with no major support behind them. They where arrested multiple times. You cant label all farmers as these types of people, as most farmers are not racist. It does not give you the right to refer to Afrikaners in the way you do also. As after the fall of apartheid Afrikaners have changed allot. As i have said before the English are more racist. They misuse the blacks and rob the country blind and they all hold on to their British passports tightly. They started apartheid with the 1918 land laws, which excluded black people from ever owning property. Thereby taking their power away while robbing them of their land.
african american

Hitchcock, TX

#1207 Jun 24, 2013
Olive wrote:
You arrogant Afrikaners seem to think you have a right to call yourselves African American upon coming to the US well sorry you don't. It is simply not right.
How would you feel if some one told you this, in this manner.

"You arrogant Blacks seem to think you have a right to call yourself African American upon coming to the US well sorry you don't. Its simply not right."

I know many black people that would be enraged if a white person had to say that to a black person. Immediately the white person would be labeled a racist. Your prejudice blinds you to people. You divide nations in your heart and you hold to much anger and grudges towards other people who are peace loving. I have the right to be South African American. As lived and was born along with many generations of my family in South Africa. I'm not even a pure "white" according to american standards of white.
Olive

UK

#1208 Jun 25, 2013
african american wrote:
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no i call u a racist, because u keep referring to me as a Boer in a derogatory way. Also blaming me for horrible acts of a few in the past is stereotyping, which is also a form of racism. That's like say all blacks are criminals. Because a few blacks are criminals and statistically more likely to end up in jail (which has nothing to do with skin color). You are a racist your just to blind to see it. How many times do i have to say if i'm American ill be South African American. Because of my dual citizenship. The term African American is a ridiculous term, as their are many countries regions and tribes in Africa. What part are you from? Because i can guarantee you, if you side with the wrong side, you will get killed in Africa. Black people in Africa are very proud of their individual cultures . When they refer to themselves they will tell you what location, country and tribe their from, also what language they speak, just like Europeans. I'm not touchy im just fighting against blatant stereotyping and racism. I'm not denying South Africans history. If you knew South Africa you'd know how many people of each color died to get it where it is today. Each race here did horrible deeds.
First of all silly I did not refer to you a Boer so don't put words in my mouth and I did not blame as you an INDIVIDUAL for the what happened in past so hush up , and I an no damn racist who the hell do you think you are judging me you don't know me and know nothing about me so shut up, if you bothered to read my post I DID in fact say you were a South African American but NOT an African American cant you effing read you stupid idiot. You always put two and two together and come up with five. You are always on the defensive. You misinterpret my words. You say I am racist I suggest you like up the true meaning in a dictionary since you love to use that word so much,

You say the term African American is a 'ridiculous' term so why do you use it to describe yourself then then.
Olive

UK

#1209 Jun 25, 2013
african american wrote:
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How would you feel if some one told you this, in this manner.
"You arrogant Blacks seem to think you have a right to call yourself African American upon coming to the US well sorry you don't. Its simply not right."
I know many black people that would be enraged if a white person had to say that to a black person. Immediately the white person would be labeled a racist. Your prejudice blinds you to people. You divide nations in your heart and you hold to much anger and grudges towards other people who are peace loving. I have the right to be South African American. As lived and was born along with many generations of my family in South Africa. I'm not even a pure "white" according to american standards of white.
There you go again judging me like you know me personally you say I hold a grudge against other people what other people.
Olive

London, UK

#1211 Jun 25, 2013
african american wrote:
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How would you feel if some one told you this, in this manner.
"You arrogant Blacks seem to think you have a right to call yourself African American upon coming to the US well sorry you don't. Its simply not right."
I know many black people that would be enraged if a white person had to say that to a black person. Immediately the white person would be labeled a racist. Your prejudice blinds you to people. You divide nations in your heart and you hold to much anger and grudges towards other people who are peace loving. I have the right to be South African American. As lived and was born along with many generations of my family in South Africa. I'm not even a pure "white" according to american standards of white.
Oh and another thing I did not bash you or your people at all I mere ssid im my original post that you cannot be an African American becuase your ancestors did not come in slave ship in chains that is not racist that is fact.
african american

Hitchcock, TX

#1212 Jun 25, 2013
anonymousofcourse wrote:
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It would be wise for black Africans and African-Americans to connect and share SPECIFIC stories of apartheid scenarios, racist acts, and white supremacy experiences to share among themselves and internationally. It would be very educational for everyone. White supremacy just doesn't affect non-white races but even white races. It destroys our societies. They want power and are paranoid with fear to come down from their stronghold and share the world with rest of us because they think someone else will assume the position. And, they of course don't want to ever lose. We all lose sometimes and win sometimes, they always want to win. Part of their power comes in segregating the information. I believe it's wise for AA's to continue their hyphenated race just like others because it's an effect from the cause of white supremacy. Eradicate white supremacy and people will see 80% of national issues turnaround for the better. Like you said, it's greed and power.
White supremacy does affect whites. As a handful of idiots who believed in it long ago, is making life very difficult for me today. All i want to do is get along with all groups and face today's problems, be equal.But people cant stop blaming me for the past. Yes they are blame me. if they weren't, the past would not be held over my head today. They would look at me as an equal.Sharing stories wont help, as those who are able to share most of their stories are in privileged positions. Not the average black South African. The privileged black people in South Africa benefit form slavery and segregation just like everyone else in South Africa and the world. You benefit from slavery today as millions of slaves die in producing the goods you have right now. If any story is shared it should be on a positive note. Anything that you say or feel that excludes you form another group, does not help with equality or tolerance.
african american

Hitchcock, TX

#1213 Jun 25, 2013
Olive wrote:
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I am not a racist you don't have no right to call yourself an African American because you are of European heritage which means you can never be an African American I notice that if anyone mentions about your peoples transgressions you cry racist, that is like a German calling any Jew a racist if they say most Germans supported Hitler during the Third Reich or if they mention the Holocaust. This thread is about if whites born in Africa should be included as African American I say a big resounding no as they are not the kin/brethren of the indigenous/true African. You are indeed a SOUTH African American but not an AFRICAN American there is a difference.
You need to calm down and stop being so touchy.
By the way I have never lived in South Africa, I am not South African.
Most Jewish people don't blame all Germans for the holocaust. Most Germans were not aware that the Nazi regime was murdering Jewish people. Yes the German people put the Nazi party in power. But there was also a large group opposing them. It was not just Some Germans who supported Nazi Germany .Italy, France, Japan etc. Also supported them. Its even debatable that America supported them for a while, before the war. My European heritage is German Jewish. I had family who died at the hands of Germans during the second world war. I also had family who died at the hands of the British during the South African War. I'm sure when Israel gives Palestinians equal rights one day. All Jews will probably be blamed for discrimination in Israel. By people with your mindset. Even though a lot of Jews fight against Israels Discriminatory policies.

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