The Moors
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#112 Nov 4, 2012
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5948/northaf...

The major component in the Tuareg is Hg E-M81 the component is older than the "Berber" component.

The possibility the Hg intrusion you claim, is even from Africa. And spread from there outside of Africa. Which becomes more likely as we are getting closer.lol

Hg H1 has peeks up to 60% in some individuals in some regions.

IT'S A HYPOTHESIS, THEY SUGGEST. As I wonder who these "mythical females" were, and how they ended up there? What is their history? Go ahead and elaborate.....why did they migrate in North Africa after the Holocene and what is their origin??? These individuals had to be cold adapted in body portions, as they came from a cold arctic environment, where they have lived for thousands of years. Don't you agree???lol

quote:
-This process of autochthonous differentiation continues in the Libyan Tuareg who, probably due to isolation and recent founder events, are characterized by village-specific maternal mtDNA lineages.

-Recently, an extremely high incidence of H1 (61%) has been reported in a Tuareg population from the Central Sahara, in Libya [29]
unquote.

Did you read that: incidence? Saying, it's not very common.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4958/trent...

PS, I can't recall my ancestry came from the Iberian. do you mind? LOL ;)

However, the Tuareg descent from the Beja, as the come from East Africa.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/mendeley-pdf-previews...

There is a lot of lies and misconception/ misinformation going on when it comes to African populations and history. With a lot of biased sampling connected to outdated idealistic racist anthropology. All this because they want to steal history, namely ancient Egypt.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#113 Nov 4, 2012
Ps, "recent founder events". ; )

-founder effect
extreme genetic drift that occurs when a new population is based on only a few individuals ('founders'). Called also founder principle.
Barros Serrano

United States

#114 Nov 4, 2012
Almoravid wrote:
http://img41.imageshack.us/img 41/5948/northafricadefinition. jpg
The major component in the Tuareg is Hg E-M81 the component is older than the "Berber" component.
The possibility the Hg intrusion you claim, is even from Africa. And spread from there outside of Africa. Which becomes more likely as we are getting closer.lol
Hg H1 has peeks up to 60% in some individuals in some regions.
IT'S A HYPOTHESIS, THEY SUGGEST. As I wonder who these "mythical females" were, and how they ended up there? What is their history? Go ahead and elaborate.....why did they migrate in North Africa after the Holocene and what is their origin??? These individuals had to be cold adapted in body portions, as they came from a cold arctic environment, where they have lived for thousands of years. Don't you agree???lol
quote:
-This process of autochthonous differentiation continues in the Libyan Tuareg who, probably due to isolation and recent founder events, are characterized by village-specific maternal mtDNA lineages.
-Recently, an extremely high incidence of H1 (61%) has been reported in a Tuareg population from the Central Sahara, in Libya [29]
unquote.
Did you read that: incidence? Saying, it's not very common.
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4958/trent...
PS, I can't recall my ancestry came from the Iberian. do you mind? LOL ;)
However, the Tuareg descent from the Beja, as the come from East Africa.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/mendeley-pdf-previews...
There is a lot of lies and misconception/ misinformation going on when it comes to African populations and history. With a lot of biased sampling connected to outdated idealistic racist anthropology. All this because they want to steal history, namely ancient Egypt.
No, incidence means occurrence. It occurs in 61% of the people tested. That IS common. You don't even know how to read these studies. Science is too much for your uneducated and race-addled mind.

Yes, the Tuareg had an Iberian origin. Not surprising. And the Maghreb has been predominantly Eurasian for 30,000 years. Proven by multiple evidence. Whatchagonnado?
Barros Serrano

United States

#115 Nov 4, 2012
It is well established that the Maghreb has been predominantly Eurasian for 30,000 years. Human remains, morphologically and genetically studied, from over the entire period, always showing Eurasian-derived peoples.

The ancient Egyptians depicted the Maghrebians as light-skinned Eurasian types. As did the Phoenicians, Greeks and Romans.

Contemporary Medieval Iberians depicted “Moors”, showing them nearly all as light-skinned Eurasian types.

Yes, and today, the Moors who returned to Algeria and Morocco, their ancestors are still there, and still aren't black.

WHATCHAGONNADO?
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#116 Nov 4, 2012
Berbers have deep genetic African paternal roots.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_P02sYth2nQ0/TOFQCCu...

Berber stems from the Afrasan phylum.

Following:

Libyco-Chadic, than Berber-Chadic. From a linguistic perceptive it's deep-rooted in Africa as well. Afrasan/ Afroasiatic has it's roots in East Africa, which is closely associated with Hg marker B-M60.

http://picturestack.com/758/785/0gRChadictoBe...

http://picturestack.com/758/811/X9iChadictoBe...
Barros Serrano

United States

#117 Nov 4, 2012
Almoravid wrote:
Berbers have deep genetic African paternal roots.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_P02sYth2nQ0/TOFQCCu...
Berber stems from the Afrasan phylum.
Following:
Libyco-Chadic, than Berber-Chadic. From a linguistic perceptive it's deep-rooted in Africa as well. Afrasan/ Afroasiatic has it's roots in East Africa, which is closely associated with Hg marker B-M60.
http://picturestack.com/758/785/0gRChadictoBe...
http://picturestack.com/758/811/X9iChadictoBe...
The weak arguments of someone who doesn't understand the science.

“Deep” genetic African pattern what? LOL!!!

No, the Berbers were originally pure Eurasians 30,000 years ago. Apparently the Tuareg were Iberians.

The Tamazigh language was probably brought in from the Mideast during the Neolithic migrations.

Afroasiatic more likely arose in the northern Mideast. That explains lexical similarities with Indoeuropean in Neolithic terminology, and the pattern of distribution of Afroasiatic sub-groups in Africa.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#119 Nov 4, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
No, incidence means occurrence. It occurs in 61% of the people tested. That IS common. You don't even know how to read these studies. Science is too much for your uneducated and race-addled mind.
Yes, the Tuareg had an Iberian origin. Not surprising. And the Maghreb has been predominantly Eurasian for 30,000 years. Proven by multiple evidence. Whatchagonnado?
Sir, boy, ma'am, girl, it or "thing". The tuareg are BY FAR E-M81. The Tuareg are directly related to the Beja. There is no oral tradition of females common from some place magical. However, european females have been enslaved and intermixed with. What you call, it "has been established" is actually. It has been "repeated", hence echoed.

First of all, as I cite the words from the authors.

"the archaeology of North Africa remains enigmatic"

enigma

— n
a person, thing, or situation that is mysterious, puzzling, or ambiguous

[C16: from Latin aenigma, from Greek ainigma, from ainissesthai to speak in riddles, from ainos fable, story]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/enigma...

enigmatic
adjective

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/br...

Following,...

Ancient mtDNA analysis and the origin of the Guanches.

Nicole Maca-Meyer, et al.

The prehistoric colonisation of the Canary Islands by the Guanches (native Canarians) woke up great expectation about their origin, since the Europeans conquest of the Archipelago. Here, we report mitochondrial DNA analysis (HVRI sequences and RFLPs) of aborigine remains around 1000 years old. The sequences retrieved show that the Guanches possessed U6b1 lineages that are in the present day Canarian population, but not in Africans. In turn, U6b, the phylogenetically closest ancestor found in Africa, is not present in the Canary Islands.

C. Loring Brace et al. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI, November 11, 2005

When the Basques are run with the other samples used in Fig. 1, they link with Germany and more remotely with the Canary Islands. They are clearly European, although the length of their twig indicates that they have a distinction all their own.

It is clear, however, that they do not represent a survival of the kind of craniofacial form indicated by Cro-Magnon any more than do the Canary Islanders, nor does either sample tie in with the Berbers of North Africa as has previously been claimed (37, 44-45)...

"recent founder events". ; )

-founder effect
extreme genetic drift that occurs when a new population is based on only a few individuals ('founders'). Called also founder principle.

Anyway, H1 is higher in the few Tuareg than in europeans or eurasians. So the possibility is likely it came from Africa, not from eurasia. We should not exclude the importance of the Moors here. Look up the word Saqaliba.

http://picturestack.com/194/295/FkCSchermafbe...

http://picturestack.com/194/295/RaySchermafbe...

Hg V which is associated with Hg H is also more diverse within Africans and in higher frequencies...

And Hg R-V88 is also older than the european mutation.

http://picturestack.com/70/932/zzSSchermafbej...

It's not me who has difficulty, it's you who has difficulty with reading and even understanding these studies. It's because your head is there where the sun doesn't sine. ; )
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#122 Nov 4, 2012
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#127 Nov 4, 2012
Am J Phys Anthropol. 2012 Feb;147(2):280-92. doi: 10.1002/ajpa.21645. Epub 2011 Dec 20.

Sahara: Barrier or corridor? Nonmetric cranial traits and biological affinities of North African late Holocene populations.
Nikita E, Mattingly D, Lahr MM.

Source

Leverhulme Centre for Human Evolutionary Studies, Department of Biological Anthropology, University of Cambridge, Fitzwilliam Street, Cambridge, UK.

Abstract

The Garamantes flourished in southwestern Libya, in the core of the Sahara Desert ~3,000 years ago and largely controlled trans-Saharan trade. Their biological affinities to other North African populations, including the Egyptian, Algerian, Tunisian and Sudanese, roughly contemporary to them, are examined by means of cranial nonmetric traits using the Mean Measure of Divergence and Mahalanobis D(2) distance. The aim is to shed light on the extent to which the Sahara Desert inhibited extensive population movements and gene flow. Our results show that the Garamantes possess distant affinities to their neighbors. This relationship may be due to the Central Sahara forming a barrier among groups, despite the archaeological evidence for extended networks of contact. The role of the Sahara as a barrier is further corroborated by the significant correlation between the Mahalanobis D(2) distance and geographic distance between the Garamantes and the other populations under study. In contrast, no clear pattern was observed when all North African populations were examined, indicating that there was no uniform gene flow in the region.

Yale Egyptological Institute in Egypt

Early Neolithic to Predynastic/A-Group
quote:

"Remains in the immediate eastern foreland of Kurkur, just east of the Sinn el-Kiddab escarpment, are sparse. Numerous and widely distributed hearth mounds18 occur in the area. Pottery, though sparse, further demonstrates the association of early Nile Valley and Western Desert cultures. "

http://www.yale.edu/egyptology/ae_kurkur.htm

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/hb/hb_07...

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/hb/hb_07...

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/hb/hb_07...

The Wadi of the Horus Qa-a:
A Tableau of Royal Ritual Power in the Theban Western Desert

John Coleman Darnell 1

http://www.yale.edu/egyptology/ae_alamat_wadi...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MuP5365iYu8/TZ9iyMK...

Again, the Afrasan foundation, spread and the Semitic divergence,

http://picturestack.com/89/393/WYIuABpathE1bs...

http://picturestack.com/87/303/dwSkitchensOr3...
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#128 Nov 4, 2012
Early Modern Humans
Erik Trinkaus. Annual Review of Anthropology. Palo Alto: 2005. Vol. 34 pg. 207, 24 pgs

"The subsequent post-28,000-B.P. Gravettian human sample of Europe includes numerous associated skeletons (Table 2)(Zilh˜ao &
Trinkaus 2002). Most of these specimens are fully modern in their morphology, and there is a persistence in them of both linear (equatorial)
limb proportions and more “African” nasal morphology (Trinkaus 1981, Holliday 1997, Franciscus 2003)."

"The European early modern humans at least 28,000 years old exhibit parietal expansion, clear parietal bosses, absence of nuchal tori with variable development of an external occipital protuberance, large and laterally bulbous mastoid processes, superiorly positioned and horizontal temporal zygomatic processes, reduced nasal breadths, some facial shortening, angled zygomatic bones with clear canine fossae, a projecting tuber symphyseos, reduced upper limb muscularity, and formation of a femoral pilaster (Szombathy 1925; Rainer & Simionescu 1942; Vallois 1958; Nicolaescu-Plopsor 1968; Frayer 1986; Garralda et al. 1992; Trinkaus et al. 2003a,b, 2005a,b; E. Trinkaus, personal observations). Although most of these crania (N = 6) lack a supraorbital torus, one is present on Cioclovina 1. In addition, the preserved nasal apertures appear tropical in their lack of a clear angulation of the inferior sill (Franciscus 2003, Trinkaus et al. 2003a), and biomechanical scaling of the Mladec limb remains indicates linear bodies (Trinkaus et al. 2005b); both features support substantial and relatively recent tropical (probably African) ancestry.

"Yet, these specimens exhibit a variably present suite of archaic human features, including low temporal squamous profiles, prominent juxtamastoid eminences, broad interorbital breadths, large dental arcades,
exceptionally large third molars, broad mandibular rami"

http://t1.gstatic.com/images...
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#129 Nov 5, 2012
LION wrote:
Most early writers who wrote of the moors wrote of black moors
Enjoy,



Did you know that Tupac Shakur his father was tested as being a Tuareg descendant. Therefore Tupac himself was a Tuareg as well, by paternal stream.

Morgan Freeman too. Likely there will be many African Americans who descent from the Tuareg. The Tuareg span all over the Sahel and Sahara (from East to West), but are mainly based at the Western Sahel/ Sahara.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#130 Nov 5, 2012
Roman
3rd century A.D.
From North Africa

African pygmies engaged in various activites within an exotic landscape of date palms and lotus flowers fill this mosaic fragment. At the left, a pygmy runs in with baskets of fruit and a woman picks fruit from a tree. In the center, a woman holding a wreath looks out of a house behind a hill while three pygmies armed with spears and shields attack a hippopotamus. At the right, a crane attacks one pygmy while a crocodile devours a pack mule whose attendant has fallen to the ground.

In the Roman period, such Nilotic (Nile Valley, Sudanese Nilo-Saharan) scenes depicting pygmies in playful combat with hippopotami, crocodiles and cranes were a popular subject for murals and floor mosaics.

Metropolitan Museum of Art
NYC

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ggnyc/2530724224...

Roman
3rd century A.D.
From North Africa

African pygmies engaged in various activites within an exotic landscape of date palms and lotus flowers fill this mosaic fragment. Here we see a crane attacking one pygmy while a crocodile devours a pack mule whose attendant has fallen to the ground.

In the Roman period, such Nilotic (Nile Valley, Sudanese Nilo-Saharan) scenes depicting pygmies attacked by cranes or in playful combat with crocodiles were a popular subject for murals and floor mosaics.

Metropolitan Museum of Art
NYC

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ggnyc/2529908519...

Roman
3rd century A.D.
From North Africa

African pygmies engaged in various activites within an exotic landscape of date palms and lotus flowers fill this mosaic fragment. A woman holding a wreath looks out of a house behind a hill while three pygmies armed with spears and shields attack a hippopotamus.

In the Roman period, such Nilotic (Nile Valley, Sudanese Nilo-Saharan) scenes depicting pygmies in playful combat with hippopotami and crocodiles were a popular subject for murals and floor mosaics.

Metropolitan Museum of Art
NYC

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ggnyc/2529906611...
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#131 Nov 5, 2012
Hg H is closely related with the marker Hg V, and Hg M1 is also of East African origin which corroborates with the Tuaregs as well. ; )

Let's look at the sequences.

http://picturestack.com/120/420/uaYSchermafbe...

Originally posted by Astenb, who has observed this very well:

quote:

haplotype V is Variouis clades of E-M35 [E1b1b1]. Of those Various SUB CLADES of E-M35:

South West Asia has:
E-M78(V22)
E-M123

Sub Saharan Africa has:
E-M81
E-M78(V22)
E-M78(V32)
E-M78(V12)
E-M123
E-V6
E-M293
E-M281
E-P72
E-M215*
E-M35*

And the Parent E-PN2 Lineage at frequencies of ~19%.

Take note that the Frequenct of "Hapologroup V" found in SOUTH AFRICA is higher than than of South West Asia. Looking at the diversity that you have in Sub Saharan Africa and looking at the diversity you have in South West Asia what is the most plausible Scenario?

Also why would Southwest Asians Bring ONLY this African lineage back into Africa as far as the southern Tip yet NO indegenous S.W. Asian lineages [Like Haplogroup J] are found as Far as South Africa?[Exluding the Lemba who actually CLAIM that ancestry.

ANYTHING is "plausible". E-M2(Haplotype IV), the main lineage of Men of the West African Buldge is also found in West Asia. Its "plausible" they also black migrated and settled in West Africa.....LOL But both scenarios are highly unlikely, alsmost laughable. You really really need to LEARN and understand the things your are talking about BEFORE you actually talk about them.

Expantion times for Haplogroup V in Egypt = 18,ooo years.
Expantion times for Haplogroup V in S.W. Asia= 5,ooo years.

unquote

In continuation,

If Hg H came from europeans, why aren't there any of the sub-clades in the Tuareg, why is it the Tuareg cary the parental clade and sub-clades are in europeans?

E1b1a1 (M2) This population grew in enough numbers in the Ethiopian lowlands to be able to cross into the territories of Paleo Africans on their West

S.O.Y Keita

quote
It is important to address the appellation of “Arabic” for haplotype V , due to names being interpreted as indicators of origins, and the inconsistencies found in the literature. This variant is found in very high frequencies in supra-Saharan countries and Mauretania (collective average 55.0%), and in Ethiopia (average 45.8%)(Table 2A). In specific groups its highest prevalence is in samples from Moroccan Amazigh (Berbers)(68.9%) and Ethiopian Falasha (60.5%). Its frequency is considerably less in the Near East, and decreases from west (Lebanon, 16.7%) to east (Iraq, 7.2%)(Table 2A). The label “Arabic” for V is therefore misleading because it suggests a Near Eastern origin. In fact this variant has been called “African”(Lucotte et al. 1993:839, Lucotte et al. 1996:469), and “Berberian”(Lucotte et al. 2001:887). Significantly, and convincingly, it has been argued that because the Falasha, more properly Beta Israel (the “black Jews” of Ethiopia, traditionally Cushitic, not Semitic speakers), have such a high frequency of V and XI and none (yet found) of VII and VIII, that this shows them to be “clearly of African origin” and to have adopted Judaism (Lucotte and Mercier 2003b: 669, Lucotte and Smets 1999).
unquote
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#132 Nov 5, 2012
Department of Anthropology, University of Illinois,

Journal of Human Evolution (1998) 34, 623–651

quote
Late Pleistocene human population bottlenecks, volcanic winter, and differentiation of modern humans

The cause, timing and location of bottleneck releases

If population release was due to the natural increase (logistic population growth) of disease-resistant populations following epidemics, then growth could have been relatively rapid, a function of the intrinsic rate of increase of disease-resistant popula-tions, and the duration of the bottleneck relatively brief. Its date could have been at any time, but would presumably have been relatively soon after the bottleneck. Release could have occurred wherever disease-resistant individuals survived.

If release was due to natural increase in founder population size after dispersing across land bridges or narrow straits (Lahr, 1996; Lahr & Foley, 1994) then release dates would vary from 70–50 ka for the early Australasian dispersal, to 45 ka for the second Levantine dispersal. In the epidemic and dispersal scenarios the dura-tion of the bottleneck would have been brief.

If bottlenecks were caused by the cold, arid climate of isotope stage 4 then their duration was approximately 10 ka and release could have been as late as 60 ka.

The failure of early modern humans to survive in the Levant during the early last glacial implies they were not yet physiologically and/or behaviorally well-adapted to cold climates and Palearctic environments, or at least not as well-adapted as neanderthals.

The Multiple Dispersals model (Figure 3) proposes that a population bottleneck occurred during oxygen isotope stage 6, when cold, dry climates caused isolation and differentiation of populations within Africa.

If bottlenecks were caused by the cold, arid climate of isotope stage 4 then their duration was approximately 10 ka and release could have been as late as 60 ka.

Global climate change could have reduced populations during the early last ice age, oxygen isotope stage 4

... As noted above, the replacement of modern humans by neander- thals in the Levant, suggests African modern humans were rather poorly-adapted to cold climates.
unquote

Body proportions in Late Pleistocene Europe and modern human origins&#9734;

Holliday TW.

quote
Body proportions covary with climate, apparently as the result of climatic selection. Ontogenetic research and migrant studies have demonstrated that body proportions are largely genetically controlled and are under low selective rates; thus studies of body form can provide evidence for evolutionarily short-term dispersals and/or gene flow. Following these observations, competing models of modern human origins yield different predictions concerning body proportion shifts in Late Pleistocene Europe. Replacement predicts that the earliest modern Europeans will possess “tropical” body proportions (assuming Africa is the center of origin), while Regional Continuity permits only minor shifts in body shape, due to climatic change and/or improved cultural buffering. This study tests these predictions via analyses of osteometric data reflective of trunk height and breadth, limb proportions and relative body mass for samples of Early Upper Paleolithic (EUP), Late Upper Paleolithic (LUP) and Mesolithic (MES) humans and 13 recent African and European populations.Results reveal a clear tendency for the EUP sample to cluster with recent Africans, while LUP and MES samples cluster with recent Europeans. These results refute the hypothesis of local continuity in Europe, and are consistent with an interpretation of elevated gene flow (and population dispersal?) from Africa, followed by subsequent climatic adaptation to colder conditions. These data do not, however, preclude the possibility of some (albeit small) contribution of genes from Neandertals to succeeding populations, as is postulated in Bräuer’s “Afro-European Sapiens” model.
unquote
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#133 Nov 5, 2012
Barros Serrano

United States

#134 Nov 5, 2012
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
Sir, boy, ma'am, girl, it or "thing". The tuareg are BY FAR E-M81. The Tuareg are directly related to the Beja. There is no oral tradition of females common from some place magical. However, european females have been enslaved and intermixed with. What you call, it "has been established" is actually. It has been "repeated", hence echoed.
First of all, as I cite the words from the authors.
"the archaeology of North Africa remains enigmatic"
enigma
— n
a person, thing, or situation that is mysterious, puzzling, or ambiguous
[C16: from Latin aenigma, from Greek ainigma, from ainissesthai to speak in riddles, from ainos fable, story]
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/enigma...
enigmatic
adjective
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/br...
Following,...
Ancient mtDNA analysis and the origin of the Guanches.
Nicole Maca-Meyer, et al.
The prehistoric colonisation of the Canary Islands by the Guanches (native Canarians) woke up great expectation about their origin, since the Europeans conquest of the Archipelago. Here, we report mitochondrial DNA analysis (HVRI sequences and RFLPs) of aborigine remains around 1000 years old. The sequences retrieved show that the Guanches possessed U6b1 lineages that are in the present day Canarian population, but not in Africans. In turn, U6b, the phylogenetically closest ancestor found in Africa, is not present in the Canary Islands.
C. Loring Brace et al. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI, November 11, 2005
When the Basques are run with the other samples used in Fig. 1, they link with Germany and more remotely with the Canary Islands. They are clearly European, although the length of their twig indicates that they have a distinction all their own.
It is clear, however, that they do not represent a survival of the kind of craniofacial form indicated by Cro-Magnon any more than do the Canary Islanders, nor does either sample tie in with the Berbers of North Africa as has previously been claimed (37, 44-45)...
"recent founder events". ; )
-founder effect
extreme genetic drift that occurs when a new population is based on only a few individuals ('founders'). Called also founder principle.
Anyway, H1 is higher in the few Tuareg than in europeans or eurasians. So the possibility is likely it came from Africa, not from eurasia. We should not exclude the importance of the Moors here. Look up the word Saqaliba.
http://picturestack.com/194/295/FkCSchermafbe...
http://picturestack.com/194/295/RaySchermafbe...
Hg V which is associated with Hg H is also more diverse within Africans and in higher frequencies...
And Hg R-V88 is also older than the european mutation.
http://picturestack.com/70/932/zzSSchermafbej...
It's not me who has difficulty, it's you who has difficulty with reading and even understanding these studies. It's because your head is there where the sun doesn't sine. ; )
Don't smartass me, boy. You're a dropout with racist fantasies holding together your self-esteem, so watch your goddam mouth, fool.

Wrong, moron. The mtDNA in Tuareg is very old, and is from Europeans. Tuareg didn't enslave whites much. They enslaved BLACKS. That is where their black ancestry comes from.

No, it has been established, what I've said, by EVIDENCE. You clearly demonstrate that you don't understand science, therefore the concept of “evidence” is shaky for you.

I know what “enigmatic” means, you little smartassed dweeb. Talk thusly in my presence and I'll slap that attitude out of you, boy.

Yes, the guanche were Eurasians. U6 is a Eurasian marker. You just proved our case. If the Guanches, isolated for 6000 years, were Eurasians... then were not also the Berber and Tuareg? That is but one of MANY proofs of their Eurasian origins.
Barros Serrano

United States

#135 Nov 5, 2012
H1 is also Eurasian, you fool. LOL!!! And you're going off reprinting info about founder effect and so on as if this is mysterious new knowledge! THIS IS ANTHRO 101 you idiot! I've TAUGHT that class.

You need to shut the F up and stay shut up, moron. Drop back in before attempting to step to me, boy. Or... come see me and see what happens to racist smartasses like you in person. Founder effect! LOL!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo.... LOL!!!
Barros Serrano

United States

#136 Nov 5, 2012
Almoravid wrote:
Again, watch your mouth, boy. You're the clown, Afronazi fool. You have no knowledge, no understanding, and nothing to say.

FACTS confirm: the Maghreb has been predominantly Eurasian for 30,000 years. Most Moors in Iberia were non-black Berbers. This is all proven. End of story.

Talk about the Guanche again, LOL!, you snivelling drooling dullard. Tell us about “founder effect”! LO!!!

Moron. Shut the F up.
Barros Serrano

United States

#137 Nov 5, 2012
LION wrote:
Most early writers who wrote of the moors wrote of black moors
No, they did not. You continue to lie.

Writers such as Shakespeare AFTER the Moorish period wrote of a black Moor, Othello. There are other examples, none of them early.

EARY Iberian Medieval CONTEMPORARIES write the label “MOOR” above their depictions of non-black Eurasian types.

Clearly most Moors in Iberia were not black. The Iberians themselves attest to it.

You have nothing.
Barros Serrano

United States

#138 Nov 5, 2012
Almoravid wrote:
Am J Phys Anthropol. 2012 Feb;147(2):280-92. doi: 10.1002/ajpa.21645. Epub 2011 Dec 20.
Sahara: Barrier or corridor? Nonmetric cranial traits and biological affinities of North African late Holocene populations.
Nikita E, Mattingly D, Lahr MM.
Source
Leverhulme Centre for Human Evolutionary Studies, Department of Biological Anthropology, University of Cambridge, Fitzwilliam Street, Cambridge, UK.
Abstract
The Garamantes flourished in southwestern Libya, in the core of the Sahara Desert ~3,000 years ago and largely controlled trans-Saharan trade. Their biological affinities to other North African populations, including the Egyptian, Algerian, Tunisian and Sudanese, roughly contemporary to them, are examined by means of cranial nonmetric traits using the Mean Measure of Divergence and Mahalanobis D(2) distance. The aim is to shed light on the extent to which the Sahara Desert inhibited extensive population movements and gene flow. Our results show that the Garamantes possess distant affinities to their neighbors. This relationship may be due to the Central Sahara forming a barrier among groups, despite the archaeological evidence for extended networks of contact. The role of the Sahara as a barrier is further corroborated by the significant correlation between the Mahalanobis D(2) distance and geographic distance between the Garamantes and the other populations under study. In contrast, no clear pattern was observed when all North African populations were examined, indicating that there was no uniform gene flow in the region.
Yale Egyptological Institute in Egypt
Early Neolithic to Predynastic/A-Group
quote:
"Remains in the immediate eastern foreland of Kurkur, just east of the Sinn el-Kiddab escarpment, are sparse. Numerous and widely distributed hearth mounds18 occur in the area. Pottery, though sparse, further demonstrates the association of early Nile Valley and Western Desert cultures. "
http://www.yale.edu/egyptology/ae_kurkur.htm
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/hb/hb_07...
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/hb/hb_07...
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/hb/hb_07...
The Wadi of the Horus Qa-a:
A Tableau of Royal Ritual Power in the Theban Western Desert
John Coleman Darnell 1
http://www.yale.edu/egyptology/ae_alamat_wadi...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MuP5365iYu8/TZ9iyMK...
Again, the Afrasan foundation, spread and the Semitic divergence,
http://picturestack.com/89/393/WYIuABpathE1bs...
http://picturestack.com/87/303/dwSkitchensOr3...
Again, you're too uneducated to realize what you've posted, Afronazi racist putz.

That citation states that the Sahara was indeed a barrier. Any fool can see that is the case. Go take a long walk there, please, see how far you get. Since you think it's not a barrier, we will bring you no water, just let you die in the sand as you deserve, jackass.

The Garamantes were not in the Maghreb in any case. That is in southern Libya, fool. They are not Tuareg or Berber, so what is their relevance?

Oh yeah, they were REALLY BLACK! So you don't want to talk about them. You'd rather waste everyone's time claiming Frosty the Snowman.

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