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#66 Jun 13, 2009
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after the divergence of the non - Africans they are two more West - East African reconnections ,

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#68 Jun 13, 2009
l-ray wrote:
And I pointing this out cause I always hearing Horn Africans saying how they don't like to mix outside their ethnicity cause their genes are so weak the kids come out looking nothing like them...
I've found a few examples to contradict that myth..Maybe when HOA mix with whites their genes are drowned out but with other blacks the kids come out looking straight up Horn African.
(Eritean father/ AA mother)
http://content.onsmash.com/wp-content/uploads...
(Ethiopian father/Carribean mother)
http://djwonder.com/wp-content/angel-lola-luv...
(AA father/Ethiopian mother)
http://www.silverspringpenguin.com/wp-content...
In conclusion the diffrences between Horn Africans and other blacks is a huge exaggeration...If you want to mix outside you ethnicity you should do with with other blacks so atleast you kids will come out looking like you and not like you some white families babysitter.
wow that girl in the second pic looks like rihanna!!

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#69 Jun 13, 2009
FYI ... these studies are not wrong or eurocentric , it's the people that try to misquote them and misinterpate them .

None of these studies proves that Northeast Africans arn't African , or are not related to other Africans ... it only proves African diversity , she even states that they are all closely related groups , and that all non - African derive from Africans ... Fact

Northeast Africans are intermediate between North African Berbers , who happen to be partially African genetically , and West Africans with a closer edge towards West Africa , Northeast Africans are actually extremely close to Southern African Khoi - San populations .

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#70 Jun 13, 2009
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None of these studies state that Northeast Africans arn't African peoples , or that they are not related to other Africans ... it only states African diversity , she even states that they are all closely related peoples , and that all non - African derive from Africans ... Fact

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#71 Jun 13, 2009
l-ray wrote:
And I pointing this out cause I always hearing Horn Africans saying how they don't like to mix outside their ethnicity cause their genes are so weak the kids come out looking nothing like them...
I've found a few examples to contradict that myth..Maybe when HOA mix with whites their genes are drowned out but with other blacks the kids come out looking straight up Horn African.
(Eritean father/ AA mother)
http://content.onsmash.com/wp-content/uploads...
(Ethiopian father/Carribean mother)
http://djwonder.com/wp-content/angel-lola-luv...
(AA father/Ethiopian mother)
http://www.silverspringpenguin.com/wp-content...
In conclusion the diffrences between Horn Africans and other blacks is a huge exaggeration...If you want to mix outside you ethnicity you should do with with other blacks so atleast you kids will come out looking like you and not like you some white families babysitter.
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i think it depend on genetic , maybe the kids will take more of their mom genes or of their father .i also have some few exemple , my best friend and his brother are half ethiopian half gabonese and they look like ethiopian and even i tought that they are pure ethio untill they told me they are mix . their half brother is mixed ethio with djiboutian but i don't know how djiboutian so i can tell . my cousin also is mixed half chadian ,half djiboutian and he look more like a chadian than a djiboutian (but it hard to recognize a chadian cause we already have too much mix ,arab , black,mixed arab and plus some of us such as the toubous originated from the northeast ,cause they are the descendant of the northern cushitic tribe of ethiopia and somalia). so my guess i think it depend on genetic like some kids who dont look like their parents but like their grand parents .

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#72 Jun 13, 2009
Greggriffin111 wrote:
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This is what I was trying to tell you , Northeast Africans are distinct as all Africans are , but are closely related to other Africans ... this was Tishkoffs own words ...
Scroll down an inch, there you can see three graphs one is a Haplogroup map , another is a genetic %, and the third one shows the Human family tree , as you can see East and West Africans belong to the same root / Branch , then again related directly paternally ... the North African population is then shown to be an offshot population of the Northeast African group , but with post OOA Eurasian admixture from Europe and the Mid East ... the non - African groups are then shown to have little diversity when compared to Africa.
http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/GeneMap....
Mush of the African diversity found in Africans is due to the fact that , most Africans are a mix of the 14 known African ancestral populations .
Man i already went over this with you in a clear detailed manner the question is NOT about whether all Africans are related the question is how much are they related? you keep talking about the MAJOR clusters that the Horn of Africans share with other African populations which i already mention in....

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/n7/ful...

"The most distinct separation is between African and non-African populations. The northeastern-African -- that is, the Ethiopian and Somali -- populations are located centrally between sub-Saharan African and non-African populations... The fact that the Ethiopians and Somalis have a subset of the sub-Saharan African haplotype diversity -- and that the non-African populations have a subset of the diversity present in Ethiopians and Somalis -- makes simple-admixture models less likely; rather, these observations support the hypothesis proposed by other nuclear-genetic studies (Tishkoff et al. 1996a, 1998a, 1998b; Kidd et al. 1998)-- that populations in northeastern Africa may have diverged from those in the rest of sub-Saharan Africa early in the history of modern African populations and that a subset of this northeastern-African population migrated out of Africa and populated the rest of the globe. These conclusions are supported by recent mtDNA analysis (Quintana-Murci et al. 1999).[27]"

KEYNOTE :

"The fact that the Ethiopians and Somalis have a subset of the sub-Saharan African haplotype diversity -- and that the non-African populations have a subset of the diversity present in Ethiopians and Somalis -- makes simple-admixture models less likely"

Infact their conclusion on the study were...

"Overall, the genetic studies conclude that Somalis and their fellow Ethiopian and Eritrean Northeast African groups represent a unique and distinct racial bloc on the continent:[26]"

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#73 Jun 13, 2009
l-ray wrote:
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Whom's picking and chooing? I clearly stated her work is all Euocentric propaganda and stating the obvious don't give her any credability....
99.9% of people don't understand those genology studies and this is why you got HOA self haters and racist white/arabs alike qouting these bogus test as fact when they try to seperate HOA from blacks...As much as the whiteman lies I wouldn't put faith an anything they says..I wise qoute is believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.
The same white racist that call blacks monkeys that whom...Whites only say they came from us to steal our African history and run from their own cave dwelling ape history..
99.9% of Somalis know their genealogy by heart through clan membership which is no surprising why most scientist admit Somalis to be 80% indigenous Africans but keep on regurgitating yourself like a parrot kid
Prttybrown

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#74 Jun 13, 2009
l-ray wrote:
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1st of all the vast majority of AAs/Caribs are a pure black people only mixed ethnically between many tribes that were stolen from Africa not racially...those that are mixed racially are a minority making up no more than 15% of the AA population.
Furthermore you speak of ignorance as if if all Sengelese/Gambians have one look that is unique to AAs..When infact Senegalese/Gambians are also diverse in looks and could easily pass for AAs ust as well as any other Africans.
Sengalese/Gambians
http://flickr.com/photos/blainedavis/18568472...
http://www.msh.org/global-presence/sub-sahara...
http://www.bettypress.com/AfricanWebPictures/...
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0b3u4sff9...
http://www.iisd.ca/ozone/mop17/pix/15dec/4wom...
http://www.directrelief.org/uploadedImages/Pr...
http://www.accessgambia.com/information/peopl...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =T9gk-_Y62TcXX&feature=Pla yList&p=96B70AA667BD3453 &playnext=1&playnext_f rom=PL&index=7#
http://www.youtube.com/watch... #
I don't know what you look like but put in Americkan clothes those Sengalese/Gambians could easily pass for AAs.
No you mutt ass is not the typical AA...I don't share your mixed heritage and neither do most of us...
If you had a kid with a girl from the Horn the chil would sort resemble you cause both are black but the child would still have strong Horn features judging by the history of AA/Horn offspring.
u should check the census bereau because ur stats are totally off

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#75 Jun 13, 2009
Greggriffin111 wrote:
FYI ... these studies are not wrong or eurocentric , it's the people that try to misquote them and misinterpate them .
None of these studies proves that Northeast Africans arn't African , or are not related to other Africans ... it only proves African diversity , she even states that they are all closely related groups , and that all non - African derive from Africans ... Fact
Northeast Africans are intermediate between North African Berbers , who happen to be partially African genetically , and West Africans with a closer edge towards West Africa , Northeast Africans are actually extremely close to Southern African Khoi - San populations .
Again learn what's being discussed on here before you act like you know what i was talking about and try to come out with more UPDATED research that breaks down not only the diversity but their relations aswell

1) Northeast Africans are mainly comprised of E3b which also extends into Asia and Europe

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/vol24/i...

This gene is almost ABSENT in the rest of Africa

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/ful...

WESTERN AFRICA: E-M78 (0.81) E-V12 (0.81)

CENTRAL AFRICA : E-M78 (0.67) E-V12 (0.67)

SOUTHERN AFRICA : E-M78 (--) E-V12 (--)

2) The majority of Africans carry the E3a which is found mainly in West and Southern Africa where it is observed in high frequencies...

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerende...

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/ge...

Try to focus what my point is since i wasn't talking about whether if Africans are related or not my point was Africans are related to a certain degree just like Arabs, chinese, Persians, Indians, ect are related to a certain degree within their respective continent ASIA but you don't see people trying to claim they're all "one race"
the Night

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#76 Jun 13, 2009
Issa22 wrote:
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I think you are just desperate to try to be connected to people that really share little with you.
I can't speak for him or anyone else, but *I think* some Africans **passively accept** whatever they glean from whites on the net and act like everyone wants to be them.

I wonder if Northern and Southern Europe, when appropriately modeled, are any closer than West and East Africa.

And, you can trust me, most of us Afro Americans who've engineered a culture in what has become the top nation a few hundred years after our arrival, don't give 2 farts about Africans who are "unrelated" to us or have seperate history from us. In fact must of us don't give a danm about history.

Many fall into the media's stereotype of a poor and helpless toilet bowl of the world East Africa from Sudan to Ethiopia to Somalia to Kenya to Rwanda (but not Zimbabwe), and some fall into the BS to the point of saying offensive things, and sometimes Ethiopian is seen as derogatory.

Even those of us who study African history note that Somalia had no civilization liken to that of Western Africa. Infact i hadn't even noticed or heard of you losers until some white guy and Somalian were debating about Egyptians (Somalians happen to have a high percentage of aquiline facial features and those not so are usually moderate and beaked (though such features are found across the continent).
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#77 Jun 13, 2009
Abdi wrote:
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Northeast Africans are mainly comprised of E3b which also extends into Asia and Europe
E3b is now E1b1b, and E1b1b*(* means excluding all identified derivatives) is rare outside of sub-Saharan Africa. After the E1b1b1a-M78 mutation evolved in Northern Sudan, it basically initially conquered North Africa and the Eastern and Northern mediterranean outside of Africa. E1b1b1b-M81, a few millenia ago becomes big and somehow spreads and takes over much of the Maghreb.

In Mali E1b1b and E1b1a merge because of incoming Nomadic traders like kel Tamasheq, as do the lineages in Rwanda because of migration of Bantu speakers.
Abdi wrote:
Try to focus what my point is since i wasn't talking about whether if Africans are related or not my point was Africans are related to a certain degree just like Arabs, chinese, Persians, Indians, ect are related to a certain degree within their respective continent ASIA but you don't see people trying to claim they're all "one race"
E1b1b and E1b1a are comparable to R1b and R1a (which are in a single sub-continent, Europe), not Arabs and Chinese, lol.

I think African Americans and Egypt is comparable to Filipino Americans and medieval China.

I actually wonder if some of the Northern and Southern carriers of Hg J are closer related to eachother than "East" and "West Africans" when appropriately modeled. Same thing for Northern and Southern Europeans. Same thing for different regions of the American continent (entirely different groups migrated there).
the Night

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#78 Jun 13, 2009
Southern Africa actually carries a significant amount of E1b1b, in it's San. They carry more E1b1b* than in North Africa.

And also, the reason for the geographical divide in the first place is that there was demographic expansion of E1b1-P2 (PN2 carriers) from South Eastern Africa carrying new lithic technology starting at about 30 kya (which is when E1b1a and E1b1c's common ancestor branched from E1b1) and reaching Northern Africa which had dried out and was empty in time for the coming wet phase "savanna-grasslands" period.

While this happened two individual descendant's of E-P2 would become successful and their line would have plenty of success -- E1b1b in the East and E1b1a in the West. The reason E1b1a dominates so hard in West Africa is because of past demographic success.

Saharan rock art suggests that although E1b1b is several thousand years older, West African groups were in the Sahara. You can clearly see men Dogon headresses (as well as even Giraffes) in South Eastern Algerian rock paintings.

In fact, some phaoronic culture comes from Algeria, and mummification comes from Libya. Just as well, Egyptian mummies (not all) were found to have severe sickle cell anemia -- the only severe type is that of Benin. A declining gradient of E1b1a and R1-M172, is found all the way through Israel and the Oman, and most of the E1b1a is found to likely ancient while the R1 is signature of Muslim Fulani migration. The E1b1a is not "Bantu" M191 or anything, although i don't like the fact that i have to clarify because they're awesome.

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#80 Jun 13, 2009
Abdi wrote:
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Man i already went over this with you in a clear detailed manner the question is NOT about whether all Africans are related the question is how much are they related? you keep talking about the MAJOR clusters that the Horn of Africans share with other African populations which i already mention in...
Not only are you talking about a completely different topix , your talking your crap again about Northeast Africans being a separate African race more closer to Eurasians then other Africans .

The author that you quoted , again all from Wiki , back tracked his earlier statements and identified Northeast Africans into the African cluster , while being quite distinct ... your talking about E3b when it dosen't change nothing , E3a and E3b is comparable to R1a and R1b in Europeans , E3b in non - Africans is due to admixture , and only breaks down the genetic contribuation into a specific population ... your first two quotes debunk your claim for a separate Northeast African racial category ... the last quote is debunked by the same author with his more recent and accurate studies ... ex . Genetic map

http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/GeneMap....

"Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA genealogies are especially interesting because they demonstrate the lack of concordance of lineages with morphology15 and facilitate a phylogenetic analysis. Individuals with the same morphology do not necessarily cluster with each other by lineage, and a given lineage does not include only individuals with the same trait complex (or 'racial type'). Y-chromosome DNA from Africa alone suffices to make this point. Africa contains populations whose members have a range of external phenotypes. This variation has usually been described in terms of 'race'(Caucasoids, Pygmoids, Congoids, Khoisanoids). But the Y-chromosome clade defined by the PN2 transition (PN2/M35, PN2/M2) shatters the boundaries of phenotypically defined races and true breeding populations across a great geographical expanse21. African peoples with a range of skin colors, hair forms and physiognomies have substantial percentages of males whose Y chromosomes form closely related clades with each other, but not with others who are phenotypically similar. The individuals in the morphologically or geographically defined 'races' are not characterized by 'private' distinct lineages restricted to each of them."

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#81 Jun 13, 2009
Abdi wrote:
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Try to focus what my point is since i wasn't talking about whether if Africans are related or not my point was Africans are related to a certain degree just like Arabs, chinese, Persians, Indians, ect are related to a certain degree within their respective continent ASIA but you don't see people trying to claim they're all "one race"
Here you about E3a and E3b , get over the fact that these two sub - clades are not separate HAPLOGROUPS , they share the same root and common ancestor ... they are as close to each other as R1a and R1b are to each other , both of these Haplogroups are found in Europeans , R1a has a Eastern European gradiant while R1b has a opposite , just is the case in Africa with E3a and E3b ... R1a and R1b split some time between 35,000 - 30,000 years ago , E3a and E3b split almost 9 ,000 years later , between 21,000-18,000 years ago ... with E3b being diverging first .

E3b in non - Africans is due to admixture from incoming Africans , Benin Hbs is also found in these populations , again due to admixture . E3b is also found in Sudanic , Central/ Southern Saharans , Southeast , and Southern Africa ... the Massalit and other Darfuris carry/posses E-M78 at one the highest known freguencies , surpassing 75%.

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#82 Jun 13, 2009
E3a ( E - M2 ) originated in what is now the Sudan ,

" —PN2 clade (E3) bearers in the vicinity of the Sudanese-Central African Republic -Ugandan-Kenyan region give rise to E3a ~ between 21 and 18 ky ago [pending additional or new info]; E3b-M35* would have likely arose relatively earlier than E3a*[as evidenced by its near absence in some the populations that carry this], sometime prior to the Ogolian and the LGM period. "

Also E3b - M35 , is not the only clade to have originated in SSA <<< which is a false and ridicules label in the first place ...

E-M293 is only found in Southeast and Southern Africa , Tanzania is the likely origin .

E3a and E3b is not the cause of a divergence between Africans , infact it does the opposite in vertifying and bringing together diffrent African groups into a general Afrcoid group , funny , how your quotes are often used to show the genetic relationship between Northeast Africans and other Africans , but you again found away to misquote them =(

Clades are clades , E3b found in any non - African population is due to gene - flow from Tropical / Black Africans, North Africans , due to the fact that they were once a East African population , likely resembling the Beja and other Sudanese tribes .

E3b is not native to Southwest Asia =(, a mutation does not change the origin , funny how they don't use this same logic on " Eurasian " haplogroups who may be in fact African , who have been in Africa three times as longer as E3b in Eurasia , and where brought in by returning AFRICANS and not real " Eurasians " , unlike E3b carriers who were in fact African admixing with a Eurasian population as in completly unrelated peoples .

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#83 Jun 13, 2009
l-ray wrote:
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yeah what's funny is he's a rapper from the West Coast like Snoop....
did you even read my 1st post? the point is simple...that dude like that whole group of people i posted are of mixed Horn African/AA heritage...these Horn Africans are always talking about how they don't like to mix with us cause they are a seperate race and mixing with us will produce children that look nothing like them when infact all those people i posted Horn African features are very strong despite their non Horn African (AA)parent.
What is your bloodline and is that reall you in that pic?
Ya.. lol. I am African American, but I have Oromo-Amhara blood.

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Since: Jun 09

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#84 Jun 13, 2009
Abdi wrote:
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LOL dude i'm trying to give you the benefit of doubt but your LAME accusations is making you look like a fool for starters how am i "self-hating" when i only identify solely on my ethnicity? Africans NEVER heard of this "Black race" before since they only identify with their TRIBES or CLANS this myth of the "White race" and the "Black race" that you are preaching is a FOREIGN concept to them
The "Black race" was created to encounter the "White race" but at the end of the day it's you who will get short handed since you're playing a TILTED game orchestrated by the "White man" which you seem to be against so why walk around with his categorization if you "hate" him? you would be better of if you refered to yourself part of AA tribe
Your wrong...Africans have always seen themselves as a black people which is why the most some of the moost Ancient African people's name such as the Ethiopians, Nubians, Sudanese, Moors,etc literally mean blacks.

If you Horn Africans were so concerned about rejecting titles of racist whites you woldn't use terms like Bantus and Congoids against non HOA Africans.

“aka L-RAY”

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#85 Jun 13, 2009
Casey wrote:
This is because Ethios are full blooded black with dominant genes. Most AA are not.
Wrong..most AAs are a pure black people of various African ethnicities....When Ethiopians mixed with anyone but other blacks they're kids look nothing like them as opposed when they mixed with other blacks thier kid's features particularly facial and hair reamain strong...AAs genes usually dominant anyones apparently outside of HOAs.

“aka L-RAY”

Since: Jun 09

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#86 Jun 13, 2009
Louisiana Boy wrote:
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wow that girl in the second pic looks like rihanna!!
yeah..that's the infamous Ethiopian model/video vixen Angel Lola Love...it's funny how much HOAs and non HOAs blacks favor and origin is the same continent but you will still hear these fools denying we apart of the same race.

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