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Conflicting Masculinities: Examining Black Women's Fear of Black Men

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Well

Grosse Pointe, MI

#1 Feb 10, 2014
"Black men are the natural enemy of the Black woman. They don't protect us in public and curse and stalk us in public. They don't stop other BM from doing so, either.

I don't trust BM as a group. One on one, after vetting maybe and I am not the only BW who feels the same way BM don't school other BM on how not to be a fool! From security guards to bus drivers BM give me/us hell.

I stopped riding for BM long ago. I'm no race women cause as a group BM are not protective towards BW, black kids or the Black community.

Wonder why there are so many swirl pages? Just google black women swirling. Why? BW got the memo that we are unloved and unprotected by you as a group.

BM are NOT BRAVE ENOUGH TO CONFRONT OTHER BLACK MEN that's why Chicago is in ruins.

Nope. I for one am done with them as a group when I walk down the street I ignore them."

"But how can we expect to be looked upon as individuals when we fail to extend to them the same luxury. I look just as threatening standing on a street corner as any other black man who may whistle at a black woman as she walks by and call her a bitch if she refuses to respond appropriately and deferentially. I look just as threatening at a house party as any other black man who may get a little too friendly while driving a black woman home after she drank a bit too much alcohol. We can’t expect them to be unafraid when we give them ample reason to be afraid.
"

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“Home is Where the Heart is”

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#2 Feb 10, 2014
There seems to be a lot of confliction surrounding black masculinity....on one hand it's feared..on the other it's desired..... The mixed messages is bound to be confusing. Knowing one thing about masculinity "in general" is it NEEDS an outlet to express itself ..so it's more than important on how it is defined..which will determine if that expression will be negativity or positivity impacted..
There is the social & (sub) cultural environment that is very influential..
What is the expectation of Black manliness? Who is the representative of Black manhood (to possibly influence the mass)?
As many Black male innovators have broken down barriers and shaped & reshaped what people thought of masculinity (some for the better...some for the worse)....for example...being White, holding power, status,and wealth was a long running definition...then BM were able to shift it to the male prowess, sexual power, and physical strength....and before that..it was intellectual/educational achievement and the pride of a BM's wife, family, and community..

The fear (legitimate or paranoid) may lie in the place of discontentment.....and how do Black women fit into the next wave of Black masculinity (friend or foe....beneficial or victim..replaced or "reinstate")...and can the current pattern be an indicator of what's to come? For example....Can the Black woman look at those modern Black men at their "peak" to determine how the majority will act should masculinity follow in that direction? Is it possible to cultivate a desired outcome?

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#3 Feb 10, 2014
I defend BM on here but I also sometimes feel like we are two different groups in one. Like the BM have their own race and BW have their own. And we only get together when one has something the other wants.
Well

Grosse Pointe, MI

#4 Feb 10, 2014
sassyntrashy wrote:
I defend BM on here but I also sometimes feel like we are two different groups in one. Like the BM have their own race and BW have their own. And we only get together when one has something the other wants.
How do you thins can change?
Well

Grosse Pointe, MI

#5 Feb 10, 2014
IR BW wrote:
There seems to be a lot of confliction surrounding black masculinity....on one hand it's feared..on the other it's desired..... The mixed messages is bound to be confusing. Knowing one thing about masculinity "in general" is it NEEDS an outlet to express itself ..so it's more than important on how it is defined..which will determine if that expression will be negativity or positivity impacted..
There is the social & (sub) cultural environment that is very influential..
What is the expectation of Black manliness? Who is the representative of Black manhood (to possibly influence the mass)?
As many Black male innovators have broken down barriers and shaped & reshaped what people thought of masculinity (some for the better...some for the worse)....for example...being White, holding power, status,and wealth was a long running definition...then BM were able to shift it to the male prowess, sexual power, and physical strength....and before that..it was intellectual/educational achievement and the pride of a BM's wife, family, and community..
The fear (legitimate or paranoid) may lie in the place of discontentment.....and how do Black women fit into the next wave of Black masculinity (friend or foe....beneficial or victim..replaced or "reinstate")...and can the current pattern be an indicator of what's to come? For example....Can the Black woman look at those modern Black men at their "peak" to determine how the majority will act should masculinity follow in that direction? Is it possible to cultivate a desired outcome?
Great observations. How do you think BW will fit in?
No Angel

Montréal, Canada

#6 Feb 10, 2014
You must be an angel!
Well wrote:
"Black men are the natural enemy of the Black woman. They don't protect us in public and curse and stalk us in public. They don't stop other BM from doing so, either.
I don't trust BM as a group. One on one, after vetting maybe and I am not the only BW who feels the same way BM don't school other BM on how not to be a fool! From security guards to bus drivers BM give me/us hell.
I stopped riding for BM long ago. I'm no race women cause as a group BM are not protective towards BW, black kids or the Black community.
Wonder why there are so many swirl pages? Just google black women swirling. Why? BW got the memo that we are unloved and unprotected by you as a group.
BM are NOT BRAVE ENOUGH TO CONFRONT OTHER BLACK MEN that's why Chicago is in ruins.
Nope. I for one am done with them as a group when I walk down the street I ignore them."
"But how can we expect to be looked upon as individuals when we fail to extend to them the same luxury. I look just as threatening standing on a street corner as any other black man who may whistle at a black woman as she walks by and call her a bitch if she refuses to respond appropriately and deferentially. I look just as threatening at a house party as any other black man who may get a little too friendly while driving a black woman home after she drank a bit too much alcohol. We can�t expect them to be unafraid when we give them ample reason to be afraid.
"
http://www.furiousandbrave.com/2012/11/confli...

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#7 Feb 10, 2014
Well wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you thins can change?
We must groom our kids from childhood to learn to love each other.

“Repent and worship God”

Since: Jul 13

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#9 Feb 10, 2014
Well wrote:
"Black men are the natural enemy of the Black woman. They don't protect us in public and curse and stalk us in public. They don't stop other BM from doing so, either.

I don't trust BM as a group. One on one, after vetting maybe and I am not the only BW who feels the same way BM don't school other BM on how not to be a fool! From security guards to bus drivers BM give me/us hell.

I stopped riding for BM long ago. I'm no race women cause as a group BM are not protective towards BW, black kids or the Black community.

Wonder why there are so many swirl pages? Just google black women swirling. Why? BW got the memo that we are unloved and unprotected by you as a group.

BM are NOT BRAVE ENOUGH TO CONFRONT OTHER BLACK MEN that's why Chicago is in ruins.

Nope. I for one am done with them as a group when I walk down the street I ignore them."

"But how can we expect to be looked upon as individuals when we fail to extend to them the same luxury. I look just as threatening standing on a street corner as any other black man who may whistle at a black woman as she walks by and call her a bitch if she refuses to respond appropriately and deferentially. I look just as threatening at a house party as any other black man who may get a little too friendly while driving a black woman home after she drank a bit too much alcohol. We can’t expect them to be unafraid when we give them ample reason to be afraid.
"

http://www.furiousandbrave.com/2012/11/confli...
Seek Jesus.

“Repent and worship God”

Since: Jul 13

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#10 Feb 10, 2014
Klaus666 wrote:
Sheboons need to STFU, stop whining, and just start aborting their vile, male n!glets in the womb; problem solved!
Come out of the kingdom of the damned ASAP.

“Repent and worship God”

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#11 Feb 10, 2014
sassyntrashy wrote:
<quoted text>We must groom our kids from childhood to learn to love each other.
Invite God in one's life.
Cyrus

Manassas, VA

#12 Feb 10, 2014
You're still obsessed with AAM, "timeforhonesty"?..G o focus on your opwn community straight jacket bi$h.
Gisha

Johannesburg, South Africa

#13 Feb 10, 2014
The problem I see is america womens are more mascline than the men, thats why them look for other man.
no surprise there

Dubai, UAE

#15 Feb 10, 2014
sassyntrashy wrote:
<quoted text>We must groom our kids from childhood to learn to love each other.
It figures that you'd push incest, you sick bytch...

“No Substitute For The Truth”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#16 Feb 10, 2014
Masculinity is determined by the choices most men make. For example if most men choose bloody violent wars, this will eventually become associated with masculinity. The choices most men make is how Humans will see Masculinity. The choices men make are influenced by both genetic and environmental factors. So if you take men of different backgrounds and genetics, there will be conflicts regarding Masculinity.

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#17 Feb 10, 2014
no surprise there wrote:
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It figures that you'd push incest, you sick bytch...
I was not implying incest pervert get your mind out of the gutter.
Well

Grosse Pointe, MI

#18 Feb 10, 2014
Redefined wrote:
Masculinity is determined by the choices most men make. For example if most men choose bloody violent wars, this will eventually become associated with masculinity. The choices most men make is how Humans will see Masculinity. The choices men make are influenced by both genetic and environmental factors. So if you take men of different backgrounds and genetics, there will be conflicts regarding Masculinity.
How can we remedy the conflicting ideas of masculinity?

“No Substitute For The Truth”

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Since: Jan 10

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#19 Feb 10, 2014
Well wrote:
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How can we remedy the conflicting ideas of masculinity?
I'm NOT sure since Masculinity is also influenced by genetics and genetics can influence some behaviors. For example some men may be more aggressive regardless if they grew up in a non aggressive environment and some men may posses some female mannerisms even tho they may be heterosexual. However what our society deems as Masculine is what most men will choose to imitate unless their environment is influenced by a sub-culture. As IRBW stated, this is where the confusion comes lies. You have separate cultures of Masculine Ideologies and neither one is seen as more or less Masculine.

“Home is Where the Heart is”

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#20 Feb 12, 2014
Well wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you think BW will fit in?
Black women's strength in society relies heavily upon how she will nurture her femininity......the ability to influence her environment to see her as valuable and worthy of respecting; will practically secure her interest for a quality standard of life.. Masculinity and femininity were meant to compliment each other....
Well

Grosse Pointe, MI

#21 Feb 12, 2014
IR BW wrote:
<quoted text> Black women's strength in society relies heavily upon how she will nurture her femininity......the ability to influence her environment to see her as valuable and worthy of respecting; will practically secure her interest for a quality standard of life.. Masculinity and femininity were meant to compliment each other....
Yet...what we're seeing currently with BW feminity is it's overshadowed by masculinity...BW are having OOW children more than wedlock children, and are single mothers, leading to more stressors, more aggression, etc...
Lisa

Tulsa, OK

#22 Feb 12, 2014
Well wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet...what we're seeing currently with BW feminity is it's overshadowed by masculinity...BW are having OOW children more than wedlock children, and are single mothers, leading to more stressors, more aggression, etc...
Those are the ramifications...the collective duty of the female group is to nurture their femininity... What has been allowed to define Black womanhood currently...and what are the results for that representation?
That is why it's so important to empower our own femininity...and what we put out will either be respected or disrespected...if it's the latter....WE got to go back to the drawing board..after-all..we will be the ones not securing our own interest...and it's our job to figure it out...

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