MOORS in SPAIN=Light Bearers of KEMET?

MOORS in SPAIN=Light Bearers of KEMET?

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Peace

Atlanta, GA

#1 Dec 22, 2009
Peace

Atlanta, GA

#2 Dec 22, 2009
Ise didnt done dat

Liverpool, UK

#3 Dec 22, 2009
give it a rest - the Moors were a mixture of North Africans, Vandals, and Arabs. There were not negroes or Egyptians. Now get a life. If you knew something true and useful, then perhaps you could get a job.

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yo gotti

Maple Grove, MN

#4 Dec 22, 2009
yo gotti

Maple Grove, MN

#5 Dec 22, 2009
languages spoken by the moors from egypt has made its way in spanish. ma'at means kill in old egyptian or hebrew but it turns to mata in spanish
yo gotti

Maple Grove, MN

#6 Dec 22, 2009
if you de.wiki mohr the german word for moor you'll see how egyptian pharoahs was known as kings of the moors pharoah taharqa specifically. good info so these trolls can't say its only black folks who is coming up with this information
Ish Tov

United States

#7 Dec 22, 2009
Nobody was speaking Old Egyptian in Spain, nor Hebrew for that matter. The Moors generally spoke Arabic. Tariq, to whom I assume you are referring, was a Berber from Morocco! Not a pharaoh!

Well, I eagerly await whichever fantastic interpretation of history is presented in here next... the Inuit are really Egyptians? Why not...
Heather

Washington, DC

#8 Dec 22, 2009
Ish Tov wrote:
Nobody was speaking Old Egyptian in Spain, nor Hebrew for that matter. The Moors generally spoke Arabic. Tariq, to whom I assume you are referring, was a Berber from Morocco! Not a pharaoh!
Well, I eagerly await whichever fantastic interpretation of history is presented in here next... the Inuit are really Egyptians? Why not...
When I go shopping in the Korean store, I can leave my purse in my cart while I shop. Chinese store, same thing. I never even have problems when I shop at the Latino Mercado. So why is it when I go to the mall where the blacks hang it is a pit of CRIME, VIOLENCE, and DEGRADATION!
I was at P.G. Plaza the other day and when I got back to my car a young black girl was pulling a train in my Ford Festiva. They didn't even stop, I had to wait until they were done, and then they didn't even help me load my packages.
How can people live this way?
Ish Tov

United States

#9 Dec 22, 2009
Can't we discuss Moors reasonably? Who they really were? There are many things we could mention which they did in Spain, technologically, architecturally, agriculturally, etc., which are of note, not to mention intellectually with the maintenance for several centuries of places of learning which were allowed free thought... unlike what was going on under the Muslim Caliphate or Christian Church of Rome.

Why must it always be mystic moors from outer space who are really choctaw and really the king of Europe and really Egyptian and really African-American... come on...

Now I'll bet there is some actual black Moorish and Berber Moorish blood in African-Americans, but let's be real about this. It's in Mexico too, because moriscos as well as various Africans went on Spanish ships to Mexico.

Oh but here we go, I opened that whole can of worms.... The Olmec Moors, the Mayan Moors, the Otomí Moors, the Yaquí Moors, etc... don't forget them... LOL!!!
Jari

United States

#10 Dec 22, 2009
Ish Tov wrote:
Can't we discuss Moors reasonably? Who they really were? There are many things we could mention which they did in Spain, technologically, architecturally, agriculturally, etc., which are of note, not to mention intellectually with the maintenance for several centuries of places of learning which were allowed free thought... unlike what was going on under the Muslim Caliphate or Christian Church of Rome.
Why must it always be mystic moors from outer space who are really choctaw and really the king of Europe and really Egyptian and really African-American... come on...
Now I'll bet there is some actual black Moorish and Berber Moorish blood in African-Americans, but let's be real about this. It's in Mexico too, because moriscos as well as various Africans went on Spanish ships to Mexico.
Oh but here we go, I opened that whole can of worms.... The Olmec Moors, the Mayan Moors, the Otomí Moors, the Yaquí Moors, etc... don't forget them... LOL!!!
The Moors were a federation of various peoples. Some included Light skinned Berbers "Tawny" and black Berbers such as the Almoravid Armies that invaded Spain in 1086. The Moors were not all Black but there were Black Moors. Remember that most of the so called Moors were Spanish Natives that converted to Islam and back to Christianity.
Peace

Atlanta, GA

#11 Dec 22, 2009
yo gotti wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =_xkgRv7NRpcXX
of course
Good video.He knows what he's talking about rather than Jari or Ish tov.Thanks.
Truthbringer

AOL

#12 Dec 22, 2009
the majority were blk thats why they hate blks so much in that rat hole country very few were berbers
Ish Tov

United States

#13 Dec 22, 2009
Yes, they were Berbers, Arabs and black Africans including many groups.

There was not some ethnic and social entity which had gone on for a long time, the Moors, in the same sense there were Egyptians or Greeks. The Moorish territory originally was ruled from the Caliphate, it was simply part of the Arab Muslim Empire, but with time it became independent and was then mostly run by Berbers. The tendency from the Muslim center was to always try to extend direct Arab rule where possible rather than black or Berber. There was also a tendency toward "reform" which in Islam meant in fact turning back, retrogressive fundamentalism, such as we see today in Wahabism. These repressive waves were often avoided by the Moorish rulers, who sometimes adroitly maintained the free thought and intellectualism in Spain for which they are famous.

However, almoravides and almohades (Castilian spellings) messed with Spain just as they messed with Mali and Songhai and with the entire Caliphate.
Jari

United States

#14 Dec 22, 2009
Peace wrote:
<quoted text>Good video.He knows what he's talking about rather than Jari or Ish tov.Thanks.
Sorry to burst you fantasies but the Moors had Arab and Berbers that would not be described as black by todays standards. The Moors from the beginning had a large Black Mercenary army and even the Berbers that invaded in 711. The Moors were a convederation of Bebrers both black and Non black...sub-Saharan and Arabs. This is a fact. Also the Spanish converted to Islam under the Moors in droves so there would be a large White Spanish presence that called its self "Moor". This is why art work has a lot of White Moors...but overall the original Moors were Tawny and black.
Jari

United States

#15 Dec 22, 2009
Ish Tov wrote:
Yes, they were Berbers, Arabs and black Africans including many groups.
There was not some ethnic and social entity which had gone on for a long time, the Moors, in the same sense there were Egyptians or Greeks. The Moorish territory originally was ruled from the Caliphate, it was simply part of the Arab Muslim Empire, but with time it became independent and was then mostly run by Berbers. The tendency from the Muslim center was to always try to extend direct Arab rule where possible rather than black or Berber. There was also a tendency toward "reform" which in Islam meant in fact turning back, retrogressive fundamentalism, such as we see today in Wahabism. These repressive waves were often avoided by the Moorish rulers, who sometimes adroitly maintained the free thought and intellectualism in Spain for which they are famous.
However, almoravides and almohades (Castilian spellings) messed with Spain just as they messed with Mali and Songhai and with the entire Caliphate.
Correct to the T. The Moors were a federation of Berbers both non black and black, Sub-Saharans and Arabs. You sir are absolutely correct about the Arab supremacy that would eventually be the downfall of Al-Andalucia(To much inter-ethinic wars).

The Almoravids and Almohads did restore Muslim power in Spain that would eventually lead to the rule of the Nassrid Dynasty at Granada..The Alhambra Palace..
Peace

Atlanta, GA

#16 Dec 22, 2009
http://members.fortunecity.com/squaredmc/anci...

The Moors must be distinguished from the Berbers who were a mixed race people in North Africa resulting from the intermarriage between caucasian Libyans and indigenous Africans. Black Africans had beem called Maures ('dark') by the Greeks in antiquity and no distinction had been made between The Moorish tribes which would later invade Spain and their Black African kin. There was also to be an Arab component to these peoples and in order for this to be put in context, the racial composition of Arabia in antiquity must be understood. Much of the Arabian peninsular had originally been populated by Blacks. The area was a colony of the kingdom of Kush. Southern Arabia, in particular, remained black for a considerable period as the Greeks themselves attest.
yo gotti

Maple Grove, MN

#17 Dec 22, 2009
Ish Tov wrote:
Nobody was speaking Old Egyptian in Spain, nor Hebrew for that matter. The Moors generally spoke Arabic. Tariq, to whom I assume you are referring, was a Berber from Morocco! Not a pharaoh!
Well, I eagerly await whichever fantastic interpretation of history is presented in here next... the Inuit are really Egyptians? Why not...
it was called andalusia when hebrew and arabic were being spoken. taharqa the pharoah not tarik. how many words in spanish are of arabic origin to begin with.
Jari

United States

#18 Dec 22, 2009
I don't understand why people find it so afrocentric to point out the blackness of the Moors. Now Im not claiming that the Moors were pure black like other radical Afrocentrics but the Moors have always had a large black population.

Moroccans..
http://moroccohomestay.com/images/about_1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
http://www.erlebnis-tours-maroc.com/images/Ph...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3202/302042784...
http://www.robbinsmarye.com/photos/may%2015%2...
yo gotti

Maple Grove, MN

#19 Dec 22, 2009
Peace wrote:
<quoted text>Good video.He knows what he's talking about rather than Jari or Ish tov.Thanks.
no doubt
Jari

United States

#20 Dec 22, 2009
yo gotti wrote:
<quoted text>it was called andalusia when hebrew and arabic were being spoken. taharqa the pharoah not tarik. how many words in spanish are of arabic origin to begin with.
He is right, the language of Al-Andalucia was arabic..but Hebrew was spoken and he is talking about Tariq ibn Ziyad the Berber general that led the invasion in 711, not Taraqo a Kushite Pharoah that invaded Egypt.

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