Is obamacare Unconstitutional?

Is obamacare Unconstitutional?

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Loulou

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#2 Oct 19, 2013
If you buy a car it's an active choise and you know you're gonna pay insurance . It's not an active choise being born. So therefore if you can afford to pay healthinsurance and are forced to do so. It sounds to me like progressive taxing.( when you earn X dollars, you've gotta pay healthinsurance ).
Why he doesn't want to use the word tax. Is a mystery to me.

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#4 Oct 19, 2013
Australia and Canada have universal health care and they are doing just fine.

Lets call it like it is. You recessive albinos hate Obama cause he is mostly white and does not look it. It is not our fault you albinos are recessive.
Loulou

Vanløse, Denmark

#5 Oct 19, 2013
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
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Well, to answer your question,:
“you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime.”
http://radioviceonline.com/obama-not-one-dime...
But what's hilarious is the supine court upheld the law,
>because<
...it "IS" a tax.
Yes. It sound so.

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#9 Oct 19, 2013
Dumb albino wrote:
<quoted text>Let's face the REAL situation, son. The only people who blame obama's failures on his skin color,
.....have the same color skin as he does.
Albino, you made this thread in a black forum in a pathetic attempt to troll blacks.

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#10 Oct 19, 2013
Dumb albino wrote:
On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging open the door, I stepped into a nightmare: the ER overflowed with elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about Canadian health care.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadia...
Very good albino. You found a story that is almost ten years old. Now you better find similar stories for these countries.

"The Soviet Union implemented universal health care in 1937 and extended equal access to its rural residents in 1969.[2][3] New Zealand created a universal health care system in a series of steps from 1939 to 1941.[2][4] On July 5, 1948, the United Kingdom implemented its universal National Health Service. Universal health care was next introduced in the Nordic countries of Sweden (1955),[5] Iceland (1956),[6] Norway (1956),[7] Denmark (1961),[8] and Finland (1964).[9] Universal health insurance was then implemented in Japan (1961), Saskatchewan (1962) followed by the rest of Canada (1968–1972),[2][10] and twice in Australia (1974 and 1984). Universal national health services were then introduced in the Southern European countries of Italy (1978), Portugal (1979), Greece (1983), and Spain (1986), followed by the Asian countries of South Korea (1989), Taiwan (1995), and Israel (1995). From the 1970s to 1990s, the Western European countries of Austria, Belgium, France, Germany,[11] and Luxembourg expanded their social health insurance systems to provide universal or near-universal coverage, as did the Netherlands (1986 and 2006) and Switzerland (1996)."
OdUmBo

Port Richey, FL

#11 Oct 19, 2013
It's a tax

It's not a tax

It's a tax

It's not a tax

It's a tax

It's not a tax

It's a tax

It's not a tax

It's a tax

It's not a tax

It's a tax

It's not a tax

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#12 Oct 19, 2013
When Obama took office, the budget was 1.35 trillion over income. It's been cut in half. how about mentioning that once in a while? If he would have cut a trillion dollars off the budget immediately, this economy would have went into depression
Loulou

Vanløse, Denmark

#13 Oct 19, 2013
http://youtu.be/6WGqt-iUsoY
Interesting actually.
dopeys trainer

Port Richey, FL

#14 Oct 19, 2013
Lord Obsidio wrote:
When Obama took office, the budget was 1.35 trillion over income. It's been cut in half....
UrInTheCloset wrote:
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That is not true. Why do the whites on here make up numbers?
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/THSF15HE9UOM1...

"Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) claimed on Friday that the federal budget deficit has “been cut in half”under Obama.

Budget figures provided by the White House show that the deficit nearly tripled from 2008 to 2009,when Obama took office,and has remained above $1 trillion since then,though 2013 projections are slightly lower.

The country has seen higher budget deficits during every year of Obama’s presidency than it did during any of his predecessor’s eight years in office."
http://www.exposeobama.com/2013/10/02/video-w...

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#15 Oct 19, 2013
Loulou wrote:
If you buy a car it's an active choise and you know you're gonna pay insurance . It's not an active choise being born. So therefore if you can afford to pay healthinsurance and are forced to do so. It sounds to me like progressive taxing.( when you earn X dollars, you've gotta pay healthinsurance ).
Why he doesn't want to use the word tax. Is a mystery to me.
Yes, buying a car is optional, and so is going to the hospital when you're dying. If a person doesn't have insurance and refuses to buy it, then you should be forced to sign a waiver rendering all medical facilities free of prosecution for not providing your medical service. Since everyone is complaining about having to pay their own health insurance, then you must take the burden off the federal government to pick up the tab. When a person became ill and needed medical services and they couldn't afford to pay for it, the federal government picked up the tab, WHICH IS SOCIALISM. The government taking care of people, but now the government is forcing you to take care of yourselves. So while being born is not a choice, bringing your uninsured unhealthy axx to the emergency room is.
Loulou

Vanløse, Denmark

#16 Oct 19, 2013
ladondaruler1 wrote:
<quoted text> Yes, buying a car is optional, and so is going to the hospital when you're dying. If a person doesn't have insurance and refuses to buy it, then you should be forced to sign a waiver rendering all medical facilities free of prosecution for not providing your medical service. Since everyone is complaining about having to pay their own health insurance, then you must take the burden off the federal government to pick up the tab. When a person became ill and needed medical services and they couldn't afford to pay for it, the federal government picked up the tab, WHICH IS SOCIALISM. The government taking care of people, but now the government is forcing you to take care of yourselves. So while being born is not a choice, bringing your uninsured unhealthy axx to the emergency room is.
The question is what do you call it if it's not allowed to use the word taxes.
Is is progressive taxation that's the question ?
Didn't Obama promise that there would be no taxation ?

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#17 Oct 19, 2013
Loulou wrote:
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The question is what do you call it if it's not allowed to use the word taxes.
Is is progressive taxation that's the question ?
Didn't Obama promise that there would be no taxation ?
I don't care if it's a tax or not. My beef is with people like you grasping at straws in a desperate attempt to derail a constitutional law, and a common sense one at that. Uninsured people are burdening our federal government with overwhelming debt. It's time to force people to buy healthcare, if not government healthcare, then get your own private healthcare. But it's time to stop relying on the government to pick up the tab because you refuse to purchase health insurance. Now, the only people who should not be forced to purchase health insurance and/or be penalized on their taxes is those who wish to sign a waiver saying they will not seek medical services even if it's a matter of life or death. Let's see how that works out. 1/6 of our debt is attributed to healthcare. So call it a tax or whatever, but people are now being 'FORCED' to take care of themselves. Oh the irony, healthcare reform was just another socialist agenda by Obama, when in reality it's the opposite.

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#20 Oct 20, 2013
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
<quoted text>It's not a constitutional law, dopey.
Well dopey, it was voted on by the democrats when they controlled the house in 2010, signed in to law by the president of the United States, and ruled constitutional by the supreme court. It went through the legal steps and won. IT'S CONSTITUTIONAL. Also ignorant crack er, this is originally a republican legislation, written and signed into law in Massachusetts. Now all of a sudden, the republicans wanna derail this law because the democrats are gonna get credit for it instead of them. Talk about childish.

And as far as the money being obtained through penalties going to emergency room is just asinine to suggest. That money goes to the federal government, which will still be taking care of those who refuse to get health insurance. It's funny how you crybabies complain about socialism, but are the first ones fighting tooth and nails to not force people to carry their own weight. If it were up to me, I wouldn't penalize people by taxing them, but I would inform all healthcare physicians that they are treating these uninsured people at their own risk. Because uncle sam will no longer pick up the bill. And then you crybabies will be back at it again whining about the American dream and what type of country allows it's citizens to die.

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#23 Oct 20, 2013
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
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No, it isn't, ignorant negro.
Hmmm, let's see. A panel of judges who have been practicing law for over 30yrs declared it constitutional. But clearly you know more about the law than they do. Let's just do away with the supreme court.

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#24 Oct 20, 2013
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
Obamacare has caused up to 20 million Americans to lose their health-insurance policies. And, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the health-care-reform law will destroy 800,000 jobs. An analysis from the Joint Committee on Taxation from November 2009 shows that in 2016, three-quarters of the tax imposed by the individual mandate will fall on those making less than $120,000 of income for a family of four or $59,000 for an individual. Families of four making $72,000 or less and individuals making $35,400 or less will bear nearly half of the mandate tax.
This is a direct tax on the middle class. It is clear that through its proposed $500 billion in tax increases, the $500 billion in Medicare cuts, and the individual mandates and regulations, Obamacare will swiftly harm our country.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/304386...
I sure wish you would take the 'wise' out of your name, because you are far from being such. IT'S POLITICS GENIUS. If these same republicans supported this law in Massachusetts but all of a sudden are using scare tactics on the American people, then what do you think this is about???? POLITICS!!!! Some of you people are so damn gullible.

Oh, and it's working in Massachusetts quite well. Romney care is not being derailed by republicans out there despite it being the same law. But they know the majority of the American people are bright, so they gave it a different nickname and played off of your ignorance. That why I call you ignorant, because you are.

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#25 Oct 20, 2013
ladondaruler1 wrote:
<quoted text> Let's just do away with the supreme court.
They seem to be hacks just as much as the politicians are.

Why would a person who's supposed beliefs lean toward conservatism find a loophole to let this go through?

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#26 Oct 20, 2013
sONE wrote:
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They seem to be hacks just as much as the politicians are.
Why would a person who's supposed beliefs lean toward conservatism find a loophole to let this go through?
Because it's constitutional. The federal government can no longer pick up the tab for unpaid medical bills. So just like we can force people to purchase car insurance, we can force people to purchase health insurance. It's unconstitutional to force doctors to provide medical services and nobody pays the bill, which is what many of you are not understanding. The federal government cannot afford it anymore. So we are left with a few options. 1)Force doctors to provide medical services despite not getting paid for it, 2)drain the federal government and continue watching our economy collapse, 3)let uninsured people start dying because doctors can now refuse services (which everyone will claim is unamerican 4)force people to purchase their own insurance.

And for those who cannot afford insurance from a private insurance company, the affordable care act is suppose to be one that the government will provide for you. But you are taking care of yourself, the government isn't doing it anymore.

IT'S TIME YOU PEOPLE STOP LISTENING TO POLITICIANS AND EMPLOY A LITTLE COMMON SENSE. Most of you wouldn't be mad at this had you not listened to opponents of those who brought this law to the table. Most of you aren't patriots, you're for your party. You could care less how beneficial a law is for our country, because if the person introducing it is not one of your favorites, then you will cut off your nose to spite your face. SMH

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#27 Oct 20, 2013
sONE wrote:
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They seem to be hacks just as much as the politicians are.
Why would a person who's supposed beliefs lean toward conservatism find a loophole to let this go through?
Oh, it's not about what your beliefs are, it's what the law says. It doesn't matter if you are a conservative, your as a supreme court judge is to follow the law. So it seems as though you want them to follow their own bias beliefs rather than what the law says. Ironically that is what politicians do. These judges followed the law, and they deemed the ACA as constitutional. But I guess if they don't vote for something they way that you want them to, then they must be hacks.

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#28 Oct 20, 2013
ladondaruler1 wrote:
<quoted text> Because it's constitutional. The federal government can no longer pick up the tab for unpaid medical bills. So just like we can force people to purchase car insurance, we can force people to purchase health insurance. It's unconstitutional to force doctors to provide medical services and nobody pays the bill, which is what many of you are not understanding. The federal government cannot afford it anymore. So we are left with a few options. 1)Force doctors to provide medical services despite not getting paid for it, 2)drain the federal government and continue watching our economy collapse, 3)let uninsured people start dying because doctors can now refuse services (which everyone will claim is unamerican 4)force people to purchase their own insurance.
And for those who cannot afford insurance from a private insurance company, the affordable care act is suppose to be one that the government will provide for you. But you are taking care of yourself, the government isn't doing it anymore.
IT'S TIME YOU PEOPLE STOP LISTENING TO POLITICIANS AND EMPLOY A LITTLE COMMON SENSE. Most of you wouldn't be mad at this had you not listened to opponents of those who brought this law to the table. Most of you aren't patriots, you're for your party. You could care less how beneficial a law is for our country, because if the person introducing it is not one of your favorites, then you will cut off your nose to spite your face. SMH
I have my own insurance and it has gone up some, but not all that much so far.

So far you are not "made" to have full coverage on your car- only liability which protects other people's personal property, as many laws to. As for the law where you are require to wear a seat belt, for example- I don't agree with it because it has to do with your own personal body/safety and not protecting someone else from your actions.

We will see how it goes- but I don't really believe this will lessen the amount of people who will get medical bills paid for by the government, but will increase it. It will probably penalize people who can already pay for insurance and are paying. As I say, we will see. That's what I believe though.

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#29 Oct 20, 2013
ladondaruler1 wrote:
<quoted text> Oh, it's not about what your beliefs are, it's what the law says. It doesn't matter if you are a conservative, your as a supreme court judge is to follow the law. So it seems as though you want them to follow their own bias beliefs rather than what the law says. Ironically that is what politicians do. These judges followed the law, and they deemed the ACA as constitutional. But I guess if they don't vote for something they way that you want them to, then they must be hacks.
Are you serious? Why do you think it's considered so important when a certain political party President gets to choose a Supreme Court Justice? They most often rule along party lines- by the party they were chosen under. That's why there is almost always split decisions.

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