white people were slaves first in AME...

white people were slaves first in AMERICA

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JWW

Medina, OH

#1 Sep 8, 2006
So lets debate this....I am saying that white people were forced into slavery before blacks here ever were...I will offer proof and reading after someone says I am wrong.

If this is true, what are thoughts by any black people here? The freedom granted to blacks came much later, but does it change the fact? I don't know if I can post pics inline, but in this pic, we see some slaves....are a few missing a bit of tan? no they are not the slave owners, they are slaves as well....whites were called indepted servitude instead of slaves.

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edo bg

Frankfort, KY

#2 Sep 8, 2006
Slavery has existed all over the world for at least a few thousand years. What makes the slavery that existed in America so bad is that it was the only time in history when it was based completelly on color of ones skin.
JWW

Medina, OH

#3 Sep 8, 2006
There are many accounts of slaves being pure white, and many accounts by the actual buyers of the slaves stating the slave had only 1/64 black blood which is like a single great,great,great,great grandparent...many many other were convicted of crimes and their punishment was slavery which then was passed on from generation to generation.....1600s is a good time to look.
JWW

Medina, OH

#4 Sep 8, 2006
edo bg, point there is it wasn't based on color, black people are simply the last ones they got away with keeping as slaves....

People at the time that were rich, pretty much bought and sold people of every race...I am not rich, and if you guys are the same, then you know they pretty much still own us all...just to put in a "chance" at a democrat or republican primary to evenj see if you can get their backing to run for president.....it will take on average 30 million dollars...there's a good reason why we all see the president is half retarded and less insightful than many people here we meet on a day to day basis....his family is Billionaires...not millions, Billions, so him and his dad got to be president....us normal people get to vote between two rich people that will fuck us regardless...we just pick who we think will fuck us over the least.

It doesn't cost 30 million to run for president, it costs 30 million just for the primaries to see which candidate the party will run, then after that, the real money comes in...we get 50 choices for Miss America, but only 2 for president of the most powerful country in the world.

The Bush family is the present day version of slave owners....they literally own us and have the power to do whatever they want to us...

Recent polls around the world show that almost all civilized, and third world countries as well.......... the people of the world consider America the greatest threat to the stability of the world over any and all terrorist groups....this isn't just Muslims.....Europe considers Bush more dangerous than Osama in polls in almost every country in the EU.

The Republicans sadly play the game far better than dems, and all over the place redistrcted voters to make sure blacks and poor areas that vote dem were all lumped together so they could win big there for dems, but only take one seat in congress for the state....

That is what kind of gets me when blacks complain....I am watching it all happen, and we are ALL getting fucked....anyone not wealthy is being forced into poverty, the middle class is being erased because there is a certain amount of money....for the rich to get richer, they MUST take money from the masses.

We may not be pickin' cotton, but we are all under the control of the rich elite.
JWW

Medina, OH

#5 Sep 8, 2006
Just so I know you are following me....and I can't even talk about it without getting passionate and angry....does anjyone here think that someone who is for the peoples welfare above the rich companies will get elected or even get past primaries?

If you said no, a person who is for the common man won't get elected, then you are right....those 30 million for primaries are supplied by special interest and companies with the knowledge the politician will reward them later....the run for president also, and all law makers in congress are also paid millions by companies seeking law change in their favor....it is all perfectly legal....

Maybe a lot of you follow politics, maybe some don't.....for those that don't, I spend many hours daily researching this stuff, and we can have some good debates about it, but for those not in the know....just an simplistic recent example....casinos who game online will pay congressman millions and expect that when the bill comes up banning online gambling, they will vote no ....perfectly legal....money makes our laws, it's not for the good of the people.

As a matter of fact, are any of you guys into politics? Want to get away from the black and white thing on a social level for a bit and talk about it on a political tilt? We can get a conversation going about that...like I said, in that realm, we are all in the same boat...and yeah, bush is racist in my opinion....racist against the non-rich
Victoria

UK

#6 Sep 8, 2006
JWW wrote:
Just so I know you are following me....and I can't even talk about it without getting passionate and angry....does anjyone here think that someone who is for the peoples welfare above the rich companies will get elected or even get past primaries?
If you said no, a person who is for the common man won't get elected, then you are right....those 30 million for primaries are supplied by special interest and companies with the knowledge the politician will reward them later....the run for president also, and all law makers in congress are also paid millions by companies seeking law change in their favor....it is all perfectly legal....
Maybe a lot of you follow politics, maybe some don't.....for those that don't, I spend many hours daily researching this stuff, and we can have some good debates about it, but for those not in the know....just an simplistic recent example....casinos who game online will pay congressman millions and expect that when the bill comes up banning online gambling, they will vote no ....perfectly legal....money makes our laws, it's not for the good of the people.
As a matter of fact, are any of you guys into politics? Want to get away from the black and white thing on a social level for a bit and talk about it on a political tilt? We can get a conversation going about that...like I said, in that realm, we are all in the same boat...and yeah, bush is racist in my opinion....racist against the non-rich
OK look at Enron and it's over hyped demise. These people are billionaire wealthy, so wealthy they look down on the likes of Bush and his ilk. Just finished reading 'The Smartest Guys in the Room' and from what i could glean political campaigning has nothing to do with the common man and has become an elitists game. Enrons chariman Ken Lay would donate huge amounts to the republican campaign (enabling Bush to become govenor of Texas) but would ask for the favour to be repayed i.e less tax for businesses and deregulation etc. He liked to play on the idea of coming from a modest, religious and conservative family (poor kid comes good). But in reality these people only care about making money, they were initially about to give more to the demo candidate because they thought they had a better shot at winning the title compared to Bush. Seems they simply want a candidate that will scratch their back once in office, regardless of the political leanings. Perhaps the demos need to wise up and become more corporate savvy.

What's with Gore and the enviromental stuff, with the beard and the beer belly. Is that really going to win him votes?
JWW

Medina, OH

#7 Sep 8, 2006
Enron may be worse....they lied to thousands of their workers about their trouble, and since everyone was kept from knowing the truth, people lost their entire life savings....bush would do the same though I think.
Valerie

Austin, TX

#8 Sep 9, 2006
JWW wrote:
edo bg, point there is it wasn't based on color, black people are simply the last ones they got away with keeping as slaves....
People at the time that were rich, pretty much bought and sold people of every race...I am not rich, and if you guys are the same, then you know they pretty much still own us all...just to put in a "chance" at a democrat or republican primary to evenj see if you can get their backing to run for president.....it will take on average 30 million dollars...there's a good reason why we all see the president is half retarded and less insightful than many people here we meet on a day to day basis....his family is Billionaires...not millions, Billions, so him and his dad got to be president....us normal people get to vote between two rich people that will fuck us regardless...we just pick who we think will fuck us over the least.
It doesn't cost 30 million to run for president, it costs 30 million just for the primaries to see which candidate the party will run, then after that, the real money comes in...we get 50 choices for Miss America, but only 2 for president of the most powerful country in the world.
The Bush family is the present day version of slave owners....they literally own us and have the power to do whatever they want to us...
Recent polls around the world show that almost all civilized, and third world countries as well.......... the people of the world consider America the greatest threat to the stability of the world over any and all terrorist groups....this isn't just Muslims.....Europe considers Bush more dangerous than Osama in polls in almost every country in the EU.
The Republicans sadly play the game far better than dems, and all over the place redistrcted voters to make sure blacks and poor areas that vote dem were all lumped together so they could win big there for dems, but only take one seat in congress for the state....
That is what kind of gets me when blacks complain....I am watching it all happen, and we are ALL getting fucked....anyone not wealthy is being forced into poverty, the middle class is being erased because there is a certain amount of money....for the rich to get richer, they MUST take money from the masses.
We may not be pickin' cotton, but we are all under the control of the rich elite.
Yes whites came as indentured servants, but they agreed to the servitude of a specified time with an agreement to earn a parcel of land, and a portion of the profit as well as once their time of indenture concluded they were free. So please JWW you are very intelligent but don't try to twist history to fit your agenda whatever it is, by stating only parts of the facts. The diaspora of Africans to this continent and their slavery was UNLIKE any in all of recorded history. Most other slaves in all seven continents were prodominantly taken in the course of warfare, were not viewed as chattel, animals who for the most part could not earn their freedom and whose offsprings legal status was of slave due to the mere condition of birth, and color. Most other slaveholders in other continents allowed their slaves the luxury of choosing a spouse, raising their children, and the right to earn their freedom, they were often adopted into the family of their captors, and were treated justly. Unlike the African slave who could be whipped, hung, sold off, and whose children and or spouse could be sold away at the whim of their master.
And JWW you seem very intelligent don't you find it odd, and hypocritical that a country whose founding fathers and its population were people who abandoned their country in SEARCH OF LIFE, LIBERTY, AND FREEDOM FROM PERSECUTION yet deny Africans this same freedom and enslave them instead.
Falcon 68 AKA 100E Anglia

Dearborn, MI

#9 Sep 9, 2006
Valerie wrote:
<quoted text>Yes whites came as indentured servants, but they agreed to the servitude of a specified time with an agreement to earn a parcel of land, and a portion of the profit as well as once their time of indenture concluded they were free. So please JWW you are very intelligent but don't try to twist history to fit your agenda whatever it is, by stating only parts of the facts. The diaspora of Africans to this continent and their slavery was UNLIKE any in all of recorded history. Most other slaves in all seven continents were prodominantly taken in the course of warfare, were not viewed as chattel, animals who for the most part could not earn their freedom and whose offsprings legal status was of slave due to the mere condition of birth, and color. Most other slaveholders in other continents allowed their slaves the luxury of choosing a spouse, raising their children, and the right to earn their freedom, they were often adopted into the family of their captors, and were treated justly. Unlike the African slave who could be whipped, hung, sold off, and whose children and or spouse could be sold away at the whim of their master.
And JWW you seem very intelligent don't you find it odd, and hypocritical that a country whose founding fathers and its population were people who abandoned their country in SEARCH OF LIFE, LIBERTY, AND FREEDOM FROM PERSECUTION yet deny Africans this same freedom and enslave them instead.
Hey, Val...Time for me to slide behind the wheel of the Falcon and ease it on home...You have yourself a pleasant evening!!!
Valerie

Austin, TX

#11 Sep 9, 2006
yEAH wrote:
BRING BACK THE BLACK SLAVES TO BUILD A HUGE SHIP AND SEND THEN BACK TO AFRICA. YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS WANTING TO BE WITH EACHOTHER SO GO BACK TO AFRICA---WE BROUGHT YOU HERE WE CAN SEND YOU BACK IF YOU LIKE :)
Shout why don't you build a big enough ship so all you Europeans could go home as well, I'm sure the Native Americans would love to have their land back
Sassy

Dana Point, CA

#12 Sep 9, 2006
yEAH wrote:
BRING BACK THE BLACK SLAVES TO BUILD A HUGE SHIP AND SEND THEN BACK TO AFRICA. YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS WANTING TO BE WITH EACHOTHER SO GO BACK TO AFRICA---WE BROUGHT YOU HERE WE CAN SEND YOU BACK IF YOU LIKE :)
I have a better idea, lets put like minded people like you on that ship.
Sassy

Dana Point, CA

#13 Sep 9, 2006
Valerie wrote:
<quoted text>Shout why don't you build a big enough ship so all you Europeans could go home as well, I'm sure the Native Americans would love to have their land back
oh snap!

Good comeback!
Valerie

Austin, TX

#14 Sep 9, 2006
Sassy wrote:
<quoted text>
oh snap!
Good comeback!
Hey Girl what's up, I like your come back as well.. Hope you have an excellent weekend
Sassy

Dana Point, CA

#15 Sep 9, 2006
well I could think of a few other choice things to say to that guy.. bit then I'd have to stoop down to his level to do so.. and I don't feel like slumming today!!

Hope you have an excellent weekend too!
Sassy

Dana Point, CA

#17 Sep 9, 2006
well at least we know you aren't prejudiced only towards blacks.
Valerie

Austin, TX

#18 Sep 9, 2006
yEAH wrote:
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SCREW THOSE STUPID ASS INDIANS. PEOPLE CONCOUR AND TAKE OVER LAND ALL THE TIME. YOUR AFRICAN PEOPLE MOVE FROM AREA TO AREA AND TAKE OVER TRIBES, SO WHY CANT WHITE PEOPLE TAKE OVER LAND TOO?
Hey are you related to Dan because he's at a another forum waiting with baited breathe for his long lost twin, and it must be you because surely there are no two other people alike then you and him.
Sassy

Dana Point, CA

#19 Sep 9, 2006
they can both have a ticket on a ship bound for no where
Valerie

Austin, TX

#20 Sep 9, 2006
Sassy wrote:
well at least we know you aren't prejudiced only towards blacks.
You and Falcon can all ways make me laugh.
Christopher

Portland, OR

#21 Sep 9, 2006
Valerie wrote:
<quoted text>Yes whites came as indentured servants, but they agreed to the servitude of a specified time with an agreement to earn a parcel of land, and a portion of the profit as well as once their time of indenture concluded they were free. So please JWW you are very intelligent but don't try to twist history to fit your agenda whatever it is, by stating only parts of the facts. The diaspora of Africans to this continent and their slavery was UNLIKE any in all of recorded history. Most other slaves in all seven continents were prodominantly taken in the course of warfare, were not viewed as chattel, animals who for the most part could not earn their freedom and whose offsprings legal status was of slave due to the mere condition of birth, and color. Most other slaveholders in other continents allowed their slaves the luxury of choosing a spouse, raising their children, and the right to earn their freedom, they were often adopted into the family of their captors, and were treated justly. Unlike the African slave who could be whipped, hung, sold off, and whose children and or spouse could be sold away at the whim of their master.
And JWW you seem very intelligent don't you find it odd, and hypocritical that a country whose founding fathers and its population were people who abandoned their country in SEARCH OF LIFE, LIBERTY, AND FREEDOM FROM PERSECUTION yet deny Africans this same freedom and enslave them instead.
Tearing your hair out over the "whys and "hows" of American slavery is like trying to discern why Sub-Saharan Africans never created an alphabet, domesticated any beast of burden, or moved beyond subsistence farming.

Let's not forget that Black Africans enthusiastically took part in the slave trade in Africa. They had no qualms in selling off surplus members of their own tribes for nothing more spectacular than rifles and cast iron cookware.
Christopher

Portland, OR

#22 Sep 9, 2006
Valerie wrote:
<quoted text>The diaspora of Africans to this continent and their slavery was UNLIKE any in all of recorded history. Most other slaves in all seven continents were prodominantly taken in the course of warfare, were not viewed as chattel, animals who for the most part could not earn their freedom and whose offsprings legal status was of slave due to the mere condition of birth, and color.
You make it sound as though they had enslaved their equals. Slavery was very much a manifestation of common thought at the time. It was only the European Age of Enlightenment and Christian morality that put an end to slavery on the continent and drove the abolitionist movement in the United States.

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