Africans discovered the AMERICA befor...
Sam

Springfield, NJ

#8211 Oct 7, 2012
Crack goes the whip wrote:
Ha! You wish! your people did invent peanut butter though! Wow,the world is saved! Haha!
Lol!
trollslayer

Lansing, IL

#8212 Oct 7, 2012
Derek wrote:
<quoted text>
Horde Butler is a fraud, a liar, Pseudointellectual ramblings and an OCCULT raving lunatic and so are you for believing his crap.
You obviously have a vehemently opposing view of the book. Can you go ahead and point either the specific chapters and/or the excerpts that make you view this guy as " raving lunatic". Again, I haven't read the book so I'm kinda' looking for some specifics.

It's been years but ...let's take a arbitrary book like "The Scilian" by Mario Puzo the 1st few pages have little snippets like:

"A complelling piece of storytelling"
-Newsweek

"A masterful piece of writing"
UPI

What kind of comments are in Butler's book...because I wanna go look 'em up and get more info.
moor83

Chicago, IL

#8213 Oct 7, 2012
the hebrews were egyptians...just disgruntled.
moor83

Chicago, IL

#8214 Oct 7, 2012
if the blue collar workers of america rebel and take over these offices do you call them something else.
Shedrick simmons

Charlotte, NC

#8215 Oct 7, 2012
Derek wrote:
<quoted text>
I've read his laughable book. A debate can only be had with subject matters that have substance and facts to them, Butlers book has nothing but lies and made up claims that came straight from Butlers head, most of the time he doesn't even supply any credible sources to support his claims cause they are all lies.
MAN DONT BEAT AROUND THE MUTHAFUCKIN BUSH! Just answer the damn question dude. Did you or did you not read the book? I mean its a simple question to keep you from looking like the joke youve made YOURSELF out to be!
Barros Serrano

United States

#8216 Oct 7, 2012
The Olmecs are conclusively proven to have been from soconusco, so since that subject is closed, you might as well discuss books you have read... go ahead, the thread serves no other purpose now that the Afronazis have been, as usual, utterly punked & debunked.
Derek

Springfield, NJ

#8217 Oct 7, 2012
Shedrick simmons wrote:
<quoted text>MAN DONT BEAT AROUND THE MUTHAFUCKIN BUSH! Just answer the damn question dude. Did you or did you not read the book? I mean its a simple question to keep you from looking like the joke youve made YOURSELF out to be!
I already said I read the book which is full of sh it by a bozo who has zero creditials and the intelligence of a bozo. Anyone who believes his c rap is a delusionally stupid as he is.
Not Who You Think

New Underwood, SD

#8218 Oct 7, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
The Olmecs are conclusively proven to have been from soconusco, so since that subject is closed, you might as well discuss books you have read... go ahead, the thread serves no other purpose now that the Afronazis have been, as usual, utterly punked & debunked.
I see you still got these fools going nuts, good job. It's effing funny how these losers can't stand the truth. And yes im talking about Trollslayer and Der-eck, bwhahahahaha....

Peace be with you and yours :)

Level 5

Since: Sep 12

Congo, The Democratic Republic of the

#8219 Oct 8, 2012
Derek said

There were no Africans in the Americans before Columbus, you perverted freak.

KiloEcho replies

You are terribly mistaken or severely brainwashed by the large scale anti-African propaganda by Euro-slavers and invaders instructed by genocidal Kings and Queens.

We have already given a long list of Westerners who indicated that Africans preceded Columbus in the Americas in different capacities:

1) visitors;
2) settlers;
3) traders;
4) explorers;
5) shipwreck sailors.

African settlements in the Americas before Columbus were reported by famous explorers or missionaries and reputed scholars of
Western origin.

Bartolomé de las Casas
Christopher Columbus
Paul Gaffarel
Peter de Roo
Armand de Quatrefages
Paul Rivet
Constantine Rafinesques
Alexander Humboldt
Dasil Davidson
Mac Menamin
Leo Weiner
Petrus Martyr
Vasco Nunez Balboa
Dr. Clarence Weiant
Karl von Rotteck
Conrad Malte-Brun
Victor Malte-Brun
José Maria Melgar y Serrano
Beatriz de la Fuente,
Carlo "CC" Marquez
Dr. Walter Neves
Richard Neave
Von Wuthenau
Dr. Matthew W. Stirling
Dr.Andrzej Wiercinski

Let me quote a passage from the History of America before Columbus: according to documents and approved authors - De Roo, Peter, 1839-1926, a leading Americanist.

"Whether Africa, in olden times, planted any colony in the western hemisphere is very doubtful, although it could not be denied that a few Negroes, at least, crossed the ocean and propagated on our shores.

Rotteck admits that Africans may have concurred towards the formation of some peculiar varieties of American tribes, and Maltebrun finds traces of African languages in America."' Yet a better proof of ancient Negro arrivals is the fact of Negro colonies found by the Spanish and Portuguese discoverers on the eastern coasts of south and of Central America.

Mendoza encountered a tribe of Negritos and Balboa, when on his famous expedition of the discovery of the Pacific Ocean, met in the old province Quareca, at only two days' travel from the gulf of Darien, with a settlement of Negroes, who were, says P. Martyr, of the fiercest and most ferocious nature. Other similar small communities were found in Panuco, Yucatan, in Nicaragua, and other provinces."

The only possible question yet remains,—namely. What route did the colored people follow on their way to America?

Maltebrun is of the opinion that they came over the longest stretch of water on earth over the Indian and the Pacific Ocean ; but the learned generally set forth the greater probability of their having crossed the Atlantic, where the equatorial current and the fair trade-winds are exceptionally favorable to westward voyages.

THE DISCOVERY OF NEGRO SETTLEMENTS ON THE EASTERN COAST OF BRAZIL HARDLY PERMITS ANY FURTHER DOUBT TO REMAIN ON THIS QUESTION.

Twice during the last century, in the years 1731 and 1764, have small ships, passing from one point of the Canary Islands to another been driven by storms into the region of the trade-winds and of the equatorial current, and have drifted as far as America.

What has happened in our time must often have happened before. We should not wonder, therefore, at the early presence of African Negroes on our continent.

If from the existence of black people in America at the time of its latest discovery we are allowed to conclude the fact of ancient Melanesian and AFRICAN immigrations, the presence of various white aboriginal tribes, which we have noticed before, can leave no doubt that the fair nations of the Eastern Continent have contributed in olden times towards the population of the New World"
trollslayer

Hammond, IN

#8220 Oct 8, 2012
Derek wrote:
<quoted text>
I already said I read the book which is full of sh it by a bozo who has zero creditials and the intelligence of a bozo. Anyone who believes his c rap is a delusionally stupid as he is.
You obviously have a vehemently opposing view of the book. Can you go ahead and point either the specific chapters and/or the excerpts that make you view this guy as " raving lunatic". Again, I haven't read the book so I'm kinda' looking for some specifics.

It's been years but ...let's take a arbitrary book like "The Scilian" by Mario Puzo the 1st few pages have little snippets like:

"A complelling piece of storytelling"
-Newsweek

"A masterful piece of writing"
UPI

What kind of comments are in Butler's book...because I wanna go look 'em up and get more info.
trollslayer

Hammond, IN

#8221 Oct 8, 2012
KiloEcho wrote:
Derek said
There were no Africans in the Americans before Columbus, you perverted freak.
KiloEcho replies
You are terribly mistaken or severely brainwashed by the large scale anti-African propaganda by Euro-slavers and invaders instructed by genocidal Kings and Queens.
We have already given a long list of Westerners who indicated that Africans preceded Columbus in the Americas in different capacities:
1) visitors;
2) settlers;
3) traders;
4) explorers;
5) shipwreck sailors.
African settlements in the Americas before Columbus were reported by famous explorers or missionaries and reputed scholars of
Western origin.
Bartolomé de las Casas
Christopher Columbus
Paul Gaffarel
Peter de Roo
Armand de Quatrefages
Paul Rivet
Constantine Rafinesques
Alexander Humboldt
Basil Davidson
Mac Menamin
Leo Weiner
Petrus Martyr
Vasco Nunez Balboa
Dr. Clarence Weiant
Karl von Rotteck
Conrad Malte-Brun
Victor Malte-Brun
José Maria Melgar y Serrano
Beatriz de la Fuente,
Carlo "CC" Marquez
Dr. Walter Neves
Richard Neave
Von Wuthenau
Dr. Matthew W. Stirling
Dr.Andrzej Wiercinski
Let me quote a passage from the History of America before Columbus: according to documents and approved authors - De Roo, Peter, 1839-1926, a leading Americanist.
"Whether Africa, in olden times, planted any colony in the western hemisphere is very doubtful, although it could not be denied that a few Negroes, at least, crossed the ocean and propagated on our shores.
Rotteck admits that Africans may have concurred towards the formation of some peculiar varieties of American tribes, and Maltebrun finds traces of African languages in America."' Yet a better proof of ancient Negro arrivals is the fact of Negro colonies found by the Spanish and Portuguese discoverers on the eastern coasts of south and of Central America.
Mendoza encountered a tribe of Negritos and Balboa, when on his famous expedition of the discovery of the Pacific Ocean, met in the old province Quareca, at only two days' travel from the gulf of Darien, with a settlement of Negroes, who were, says P. Martyr, of the fiercest and most ferocious nature. Other similar small communities were found in Panuco, Yucatan, in Nicaragua, and other provinces."
The only possible question yet remains,—namely. What route did the colored people follow on their way to America?
Maltebrun is of the opinion that they came over the longest stretch of water on earth over the Indian and the Pacific Ocean ; but the learned generally set forth the greater probability of their having crossed the Atlantic, where the equatorial current and the fair trade-winds are exceptionally favorable to westward voyages.
THE DISCOVERY OF NEGRO SETTLEMENTS ON THE EASTERN COAST OF BRAZIL HARDLY PERMITS ANY FURTHER DOUBT TO REMAIN ON THIS QUESTION.
Twice during the last century, in the years 1731 and 1764, have small ships, passing from one point of the Canary Islands to another been driven by storms into the region of the trade-winds and of the equatorial current, and have drifted as far as America.
What has happened in our time must often have happened before. We should not wonder, therefore, at the early presence of African Negroes on our continent.
If from the existence of black people in America at the time of its latest discovery we are allowed to conclude the fact of ancient Melanesian and AFRICAN immigrations, the presence of various white aboriginal tribes, which we have noticed before, can leave no doubt that the fair nations of the Eastern Continent have contributed in olden times towards the population of the New World"
Can all these PPL. be "afronuts"

Peter de Roo
Armand de Quatrefages
Paul Rivet
Constantine Rafinesques
Alexander Humboldt
Basil Davidson..........and the rest?

Level 5

Since: Sep 12

Congo, The Democratic Republic of the

#8222 Oct 8, 2012
Jeff said

There were NO Africans in the Americas, Native Americans had nothing to do with your West African ancestors.

KiloEcho replies

As far as I am concerned, my ancestors were NOT West African slaves who came to America on slave-ships.

There were AFRICANS in the Americas before Columbus whether you like it or not whether you believe it or not.

Stop spreading anti-African propaganda on African-American forums.

Euro-centric version of the history of the Americas has not historical value. It is pure propaganda.

The Americas were known to ancient and medieval Europeans. The ancient Romans, Greeks, the Vikings, the Basques, the Irish knew about the Americas under different names.

The so called New World is depicted on maps drawn before 1492. Parts of the Americas later "discovered" by Europeans in late 16C appeared on the famous ¨Piri Reis map of 1513.

Please read the following passage written by a leading Americanist, Peter de Roo.

Whether Africa, in olden times, planted any colony in the western hemisphere is very doubtful, although it could not be denied that a few Negroes, at least, crossed the ocean and propagated on our shores. Rotteck admits that Africans may have concurred towards the formation of some peculiar varieties of American tribes, and Maltebrun finds traces of African languages in America."' Yet a better proof of ancient Negro arrivals is the fact of Negro colonies found by the Spanish and Portuguese discoverers on the eastern coasts of south and of Central America.

Mendoza encountered a tribe of Negritos and Balboa, when on his famous expedition of the discovery of the Pacific Ocean, met in the old province Quareca, at only two days' travel from the gulf of Darien, with a settlement of Negroes, who were, says P. Martyr, of the fiercest and most ferocious nature. Other similar small communities were found in Panuco, Yucatan, in Nicaragua, and other provinces."

The only possible question yet remains,—namely. What route did the colored people follow on their way to America?

Maltebrun is of the opinion that they came over the longest stretch of water on earth over the Indian and the Pacific Ocean ; but the learned generally set forth the greater probability of their having crossed the Atlantic, where the equatorial current and the fair trade-winds are exceptionally favorable to westward voyages. The discovery of Negro settlements on the eastern coast of Brazil hardly permits any further doubt to remain on this question.

Twice during the last century, in the years 1731 and 1764, have small ships, passing from one point of the Canary Islands to another been driven by storms into the region of the trade-winds and of the equatorial current, and have drifted as far as America.

What has happened in our time must often have happened before. We should not wonder, therefore, at the early presence of African Negroes on our continent.

If from the existence of black people in America at the time of its latest discovery we are allowed to conclude the fact of ancient Melanesian and African immigrations, the presence of various white aboriginal tribes, which we have noticed before, can leave no doubt that the fair nations of the Eastern Continent have contributed in olden times towards the population of the New World.

Tell me what do you think?
Barros Serrano

United States

#8223 Oct 8, 2012
KiloEcho wrote:
Jeff said
There were NO Africans in the Americas, Native Americans had nothing to do with your West African ancestors.
KiloEcho replies
As far as I am concerned, my ancestors were NOT West African slaves who came to America on slave-ships.
There were AFRICANS in the Americas before Columbus whether you like it or not whether you believe it or not.
Stop spreading anti-African propaganda on African-American forums.
Euro-centric version of the history of the Americas has not historical value. It is pure propaganda.
The Americas were known to ancient and medieval Europeans. The ancient Romans, Greeks, the Vikings, the Basques, the Irish knew about the Americas under different names.
The so called New World is depicted on maps drawn before 1492. Parts of the Americas later "discovered" by Europeans in late 16C appeared on the famous ¨Piri Reis map of 1513.
Please read the following passage written by a leading Americanist, Peter de Roo.
Whether Africa, in olden times, planted any colony in the western hemisphere is very doubtful, although it could not be denied that a few Negroes, at least, crossed the ocean and propagated on our shores. Rotteck admits that Africans may have concurred towards the formation of some peculiar varieties of American tribes, and Maltebrun finds traces of African languages in America."' Yet a better proof of ancient Negro arrivals is the fact of Negro colonies found by the Spanish and Portuguese discoverers on the eastern coasts of south and of Central America.
Mendoza encountered a tribe of Negritos and Balboa, when on his famous expedition of the discovery of the Pacific Ocean, met in the old province Quareca, at only two days' travel from the gulf of Darien, with a settlement of Negroes, who were, says P. Martyr, of the fiercest and most ferocious nature. Other similar small communities were found in Panuco, Yucatan, in Nicaragua, and other provinces."
The only possible question yet remains,—namely. What route did the colored people follow on their way to America?
Maltebrun is of the opinion that they came over the longest stretch of water on earth over the Indian and the Pacific Ocean ; but the learned generally set forth the greater probability of their having crossed the Atlantic, where the equatorial current and the fair trade-winds are exceptionally favorable to westward voyages. The discovery of Negro settlements on the eastern coast of Brazil hardly permits any further doubt to remain on this question.
Twice during the last century, in the years 1731 and 1764, have small ships, passing from one point of the Canary Islands to another been driven by storms into the region of the trade-winds and of the equatorial current, and have drifted as far as America.
What has happened in our time must often have happened before. We should not wonder, therefore, at the early presence of African Negroes on our continent.
If from the existence of black people in America at the time of its latest discovery we are allowed to conclude the fact of ancient Melanesian and African immigrations, the presence of various white aboriginal tribes, which we have noticed before, can leave no doubt that the fair nations of the Eastern Continent have contributed in olden times towards the population of the New World.
Tell me what do you think?
You listen up very carefully, boy:

YOU stop spreading culture-vulture history-stealing Afronazi racist LIES which attempt to erase Native American (and Amazigh) history!

That is a cultural crime, boy. Culture genocide. Culture theft.

You will pay for your imprudence, boy.

There is NO evidence for any of your fantastic assertions, boy.
Barros Serrano

United States

#8224 Oct 8, 2012
1. DNA
2. human remains
3. cultural artifacts
4. disease immunity
5. crops
6. boats

Got any of these for Africans in precolumbian America? No, you do not.

So, shut your racist Afronazi culture-vulture mouths, you culture-genocidal criminal scum.

Shut up or be shut up, that's your choice, Afronazi self-hating pigs.

Level 5

Since: Sep 12

Congo, The Democratic Republic of the

#8225 Oct 8, 2012
Barros Serrano said

1. DNA
2. human remains
3. cultural artifacts
4. disease immunity
5. crops
6. boats

Got any of these for Africans in precolumbian America? No, you do not.

So, shut your racist Afronazi culture-vulture mouths, you culture-genocidal criminal scum.

Shut up or be shut up, that's your choice, Afronazi self-hating pigs.

KiloEcho replies

Whether you like it or not
Whether you accept it or not
Whether you believe it or not

There were Africans in America before Columbus.

You just refuse to accept it even if at least 25 reputed Western scholars, missionaries, and explorers have written about it.

There is irrefutable evidence that the Carthaginians, the Egyptians and the Malians came to America before Columbus.

As I said before, there are hundreds of place names of African origin that are hard to explain away by slavery.

NO SLAVES HAVE BEEN HONORED BY SO MANY PLACE NAMES

Level 5

Since: Sep 12

Congo, The Democratic Republic of the

#8226 Oct 8, 2012
Barros Serrano said

You listen up very carefully, boy:
YOU stop spreading culture-vulture history-stealing Afronazi racist LIES which attempt to erase Native American (and Amazigh) history!
That is a cultural crime, boy. Culture genocide. Culture theft.
You will pay for your imprudence, boy.
There is NO evidence for any of your fantastic assertions, boy.

KiloEcho replies

I am no man or boy.

The presence of Africans in America before Columbus does not equate stealing Native American cultures or history.

We were IN THE AMERICAS as settlers, traders, explorers, shipwreck sailors and visitors.

The history of all Africans, including diasporic Africans across the globe before 1492 is part of African history.

Our global presence, including in pre-columbian America is our collective memory.
trollslayer

Thornton, IL

#8227 Oct 8, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
1. DNA
2. human remains
3. cultural artifacts
4. disease immunity
5. crops
6. boats
Got any of these for Africans in precolumbian America? No, you do not.
So, shut your racist Afronazi culture-vulture mouths, you culture-genocidal criminal scum.
Shut up or be shut up, that's your choice, Afronazi self-hating pigs.
"You just refuse to accept it even if at least 25 reputed Western scholars, missionaries, and explorers have written about it. "

Look boy....sooner or later YOU WILL deal with these white Western scholars...in the form of links that can refute them OR I'm gonna have you frozen out here.

Let me show ya'.... ur ultilmate fate:

&fe ature=channel&list=UL
trollslayer

Thornton, IL

#8228 Oct 8, 2012
KiloEcho wrote:
We were IN THE AMERICAS as settlers, traders, explorers, shipwreck sailors and visitors.
The history of all Africans, including diasporic Africans across the globe before 1492 is part of African history.
Our global presence, including in pre-columbian America is our collective memory.
This is problem racists have....they want to PRETEND Africans have NO presence outside of Africa when we think of both the ancient world and civilization. They want to promote a racist view of civilization that ONLY includes them and no one else.

Today was Columbus Day......WHY? Whats the point???
Barros Serrano

United States

#8229 Oct 8, 2012
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
"You just refuse to accept it even if at least 25 reputed Western scholars, missionaries, and explorers have written about it. "
Look boy....sooner or later YOU WILL deal with these white Western scholars...in the form of links that can refute them OR I'm gonna have you frozen out here.
Let me show ya'.... ur ultilmate fate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =aopdD9Cu-SoXX&feature=cha nnel&list=UL
Missionaries, explorers, lol... I'll believe the scientific evidence, thanks.

The evidence is clear: the Olmecs came from Soconusco, and there were no Africans in America before 1492.

1. boats
2. crops
3. DNA
4. disease immunity
5. human remains
6. cultural artifacts

Nope, you've got nothing. Case dismissed! Afronazis yet again, PUNKED & DEBUNKED!!!
trollslayer

Schererville, IN

#8232 Oct 9, 2012
famous explorers, SCIENTIST, missionaries and reputed scholars of Western origin HAVE CONFIRMED the African presence in the Americas.

Bartolomé de las Casas
Christopher Columbus
Paul Gaffarel
Peter de Roo
Armand de Quatrefages
Paul Rivet
Constantine Rafinesques
Alexander Humboldt
Basil Davidson
Mac Menamin
Leo Weiner
Petrus Martyr
Vasco Nunez Balboa
Dr. Clarence Weiant
Karl von Rotteck
Conrad Malte-Brun
Victor Malte-Brun
José Maria Melgar y Serrano
Beatriz de la Fuente,
Carlo "CC" Marquez
Dr. Walter Neves
Richard Neave
Von Wuthenau
Dr. Matthew W. Stirling
Dr.Andrzej Wiercinski
Dr.Alfonso Leon de Garay

We will now add the GENETIC PROOF OF the African presence...compliments of....
Dr.Alfonso Leon de Garay,Dr. de Garay, the director of the Genetic Program of the National Commission of Nuclear Energy in Mexico.

Dr. de Garay identified the malaria resistant mutant gene, that produces sickle cells, in the blood of the Lacandones Indians, one of the oldest and most secluded tribes in Mexico.

This tribe, of Mayan stock, who inhabit the forests of the upper waters of the Usumacinta river have not been known to mix with outsiders in post-Columbian times yet they possess a gene that is “usually found only in the blood of black people.”

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