Africans discovered the AMERICA befor...

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#5730 Jul 1, 2012
trollslayer wrote:
How many times can we put these 'zombie troll' down about the African presence in the Americas. This is like a awful, b horror movie.
Here are the "DAGGERS" to heart of these lying,vampire trolls denying and distorting the African presence on the Americas long b4 we heard the LIE about Columbus quote discovering America un-quote.
Dagger#1
What & who do these ancient ARTIFACTS LOOK LIKE???
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
Dagger#2
Don't buy the "faked guy with the Afro" crap, cuz
the above vid shows small African figurines with
afros. None of these pictures/sculptures can be proven as "faked". Cuz.... They are the REAL DEAL.
http://www.bing.com/images/search ...
dagger#3
Unless there's a multi-ethnic group of experts/archeologists/genetici sts etc. I don't trust all-white, so-called "experts"....cuz they have been PROVEN to LIE and distort their findings to suit a racist "whites-are-on-top" agenda.
....and NOW, without further ado...... here's the "GENETIC DAGGER"
"von Wuthenau’s own collected artifacts and photographs of mostly terra-cotta “Neg ro id representations” found in dated, early American strata were “confirmed” as ‘Ne g r o i d’ by inspection by many prominent Africans including the President of Senegal, Léopold Sedar Senghor.
This evidence is wide open to skepticism but is partially supplemented by the findings of a Dr. de Garay, the director of the Genetic Program of the National Commission of Nuclear Energy in Mexico.
__________
Dr. de Garay identified the malaria resistant mutant gene, that produces sickle cells, in the blood of the Lacandones Indians, one of the oldest and most secluded tribes in Mexico.
__________
This tribe, of Mayan stock, who inhabit the forests of the upper waters of the Usumacinta river have not been known to mix with outsiders in post-Columbian times yet they possess a gene that is “usually found only in the blood of black people.”
Now I don't know exactly who "discovered America"... but we do know ancient Africans WERE HERE.
Yet again you display your lack of education and ignorance about science.

You have no proof still... NO Africans in America! Your attempt to steal Mexican history has FAILED, boy! Your racist culture-genocidal lies are DEBUNKED, boy!

You have no daggers, boy. You're empty-handed.

That stone head with the Afro was FAKED, you moron. It wasn't even in Olmec style! LOL... it was very obvious to anyone with an education, such as myself... so of course you don't know the difference, doltboy.

Science does not like.“They've been proven to lie...” No, YOU are the liar, boy! You speak of long-dead Eurocentricw and pretend it is still going on, so gullible students might think, oh yeah, look what those whiteys are doing to history... but science is objective, and you're a racist, therefore scum.

You have NOTHING. Desperate attempts to find African genes all fail. If there had been Africans there, we'd not have to be desperately searching for their genes.“usually found...only in black people.” LOL!!! USUALLY... right there you blow that case out of the water.

You're just not very bright, are you, boy?

We know that NATIVE AMERICANS discovered America, and there were ZERO Africans here until 1492. You have NO proof to the contrary.

Until then, stop making racist culture-vulture claims you can't substantiate. That makes you guilty of RACISM, boy, and you know where that leads... to 8 ft of rope.

“Africa”

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#5731 Jul 1, 2012
Sinajuavi wrote:
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uV is affected by cloud cover, moron. More uV strikes the earth in a cloudless desert than in a humid lush area.
You are SO f'ing stupid, it is unbelievable, racist subhuman Afronazi 3-species-in-one boy.
And I suppose somewhere in that vast stretch of emptiness inside your head, you think that Africa's climate never fostered any "humid lush area", yet somehow, still churned out bunches of Black people, as there were no white people in ancient Sub Saharan Africa.

I also suppose you think any of this matters. Southern Arabia is in the tropical zone, and it is the first place the people who left Africa, carrying L3, landed, which means that these people, just like the people still living in Africa, were Black. I don't understand why this concept is so difficult for you to grasp.There would have been no reason to generate paler skin. Even Jablonski is always asserting how humans didn't get paler into they much into the much cooler regions of the world, which excludes southern Arabia since its temp would have been the same as Sub Saharan Africa.

Oh, and by the way, there are still people in Africa today who live in these lush forest areas, Pygmies, and they're still Black, so...I guess that just kinda defecates on your whole "this means that M and N type people, when they appeared, also in Arabia, also probably were whiter than the driven snow" just because they may have been living in some "humid lush area" point, now doesn't it? No major climate differences between Arabia and Africa, which means, no major skin pigmentation differences.

"Situated in the very heart of Africa, Congo's (Zaire) Ituri Forest is one of the world's least known regions. The Mbuti Pygmies have lived in the isolation of the huge trees of the rain forest for unknown thousands of years, sharing their remote world with an incredible assortment of animals." Pygmies Of The Rain Forest

.....and they're still Black.
Negro Mann

Houston, TX

#5732 Jul 1, 2012
trollslayer wrote:
How many times can we put these 'zombie troll' down about the African presence in the Americas. This is like a awful, b horror movie....
....of Mayan stock, who inhabit the forests of the upper waters of the Usumacinta river have not been known to mix with outsiders in post-Columbian times yet they possess a gene that is “usually found only in the blood of black people.”
Now I don't know exactly who "discovered America"... but we do know ancient Africans WERE HERE.
Hah! Oh, how you so desperately want to believe "our" people were here first. What's next, blacks went to the moon first? Go back to first grade, boy!
trollslayer

Hammond, IN

#5733 Jul 1, 2012
trollslayer wrote:
How many times can we put these 'zombie troll' down about the African presence in the Americas. This is like a awful, b horror movie.
Here are the "DAGGERS" to heart of these lying,vampire trolls denying and distorting the African presence on the Americas long b4 we heard the LIE about Columbus quote discovering America un-quote.
Dagger#1
What & who do these ancient ARTIFACTS LOOK LIKE???
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
Dagger#2
Don't buy the "faked guy with the Afro" crap, cuz
the above vid shows small African figurines with
afros. None of these pictures/sculptures can be proven as "faked". Cuz.... They are the REAL DEAL.
http://www.bing.com/images/search ...
dagger#3
Unless there's a multi-ethnic group of experts/archeologists/genetici sts etc. I don't trust all-white, so-called "experts"....cuz they have been PROVEN to LIE and distort their findings to suit a racist "whites-are-on-top" agenda.
....and NOW, without further ado...... here's the "GENETIC DAGGER"
"von Wuthenau’s own collected artifacts and photographs of mostly terra-cotta “Neg ro id representations” found in dated, early American strata were “confirmed” as ‘Ne g r o i d’ by inspection by many prominent Africans including the President of Senegal, Léopold Sedar Senghor.
This evidence is wide open to skepticism but is partially supplemented by the findings of a Dr. de Garay, the director of the Genetic Program of the National Commission of Nuclear Energy in Mexico.
__________
Dr. de Garay identified the malaria resistant mutant gene, that produces sickle cells, in the blood of the Lacandones Indians, one of the oldest and most secluded tribes in Mexico.
__________
This tribe, of Mayan stock, who inhabit the forests of the upper waters of the Usumacinta river have not been known to mix with outsiders in post-Columbian times yet they possess a gene that is “usually found only in the blood of black people.”
Now I don't know exactly who "discovered America"... but we do know ancient Africans WERE HERE.
Sigh....the proof is here...artifacts, genetics....of the Lacandones Indians. This is boring....especially the constant meltdowns....accompanied by no outside resources, articles etc.

BRING outside proof. No nothing has been "faked". Everything about the heads has been proven African. "von Wuthenau’s ARTIFACTS show
"afros".

NOW...go ahead and have another ((meltdown))with NO proof, outside resources, articles etc.
Derek

Los Angeles, CA

#5734 Jul 3, 2012
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
You lying Afronazi irrelevant lowlife ignore them when they're posted.
Fact is, you're missing any proof for Africans in Mexico.
Got any:
1. DNA
2. ships
3. crops
4. disease immunity
5. cultural artifacts
6. human remains
No, you do not. Well, I can't provide links to evidence that doesn't exist! LOL...
You culture-vulture bastard, get your greasy paws off other peoples' histories.
You are committing cultural genocide. The punishment is capital.
Hey Barrios: Why do you change your screen name so often. Is it mental instability, or a moronic attempt to convince others there are other imbeciles like you, who share your moronic opinions and beliefs.

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#5735 Jul 3, 2012
Derek wrote:
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Hey Barrios: Why do you change your screen name so often. Is it mental instability, or a moronic attempt to convince others there are other imbeciles like you, who share your moronic opinions and beliefs.
Hey smartassed cowardly punk, can you find anyone in here who does not know that this is me? See the NM address? You f'ing moron.

You must babble about such frivolities since you lack any argument, are constantly punked & debunked by my superior knowledge, and feel like a tiny little insignificant gnat in my presence.

Piss off, punk.

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#5736 Jul 3, 2012
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Sigh....the proof is here...artifacts, genetics....of the Lacandones Indians. This is boring....especially the constant meltdowns....accompanied by no outside resources, articles etc.
BRING outside proof. No nothing has been "faked". Everything about the heads has been proven African. "von Wuthenau’s ARTIFACTS show
"afros".
NOW...go ahead and have another ((meltdown))with NO proof, outside resources, articles etc.
No proof, boy. You don't demand that I provide proof of a negative case. Again you demonstrate how little you know of science. You are a complete dolt, boy.

LOL... a malaria gene proves African presence? Then where are the African markers? LOL... you have nothing, boy.

Von Wuthenau's artifacts include heads which look European, and others which look Chinese. So what do you conclude from that, boy?

You're ignorant. YOU have no proof, and there is still NO evidence of Africans in America. And how the hell would they have gotten to the Lacandones deep in the jungle? LOL!!! They left genes there but none in Veracruz?

LOL!!! You are an absurd clown, boy! Nothing more.
trollslayer

United States

#5737 Jul 3, 2012
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
No proof, boy. You don't demand that I provide proof of a negative case. Again you demonstrate how little you know of science. You are a complete dolt, boy.
LOL... a malaria gene proves African presence? Then where are the African markers? LOL... you have nothing, boy.

Von Wuthenau's artifacts include heads which look European, and others which look Chinese. So what do you conclude from that, boy?
You're ignorant. YOU have no proof, and there is still NO evidence of Africans in America. And how the hell would they have gotten to the Lacandones deep in the jungle? LOL!!! They left genes there but none in Veracruz?
LOL!!! You are an absurd clown, boy! Nothing more.
Hey boy...I never denied the Asian artifacts in Von Wuthenau's collection.....therefore YOU wil not deny the African figurines in his collection. Especially the one with the " afro".

I'm going with Dr. de Garay's finding's and not the rantings of imbecile who puts on a silly fake name as a "change of pace"

Sigh.......anyway can you explain ( away) what's going here with these "percentages"?

" Green et al (2000) also found indigenous natives with African genes in North Central Mexico, including the L1 and L2 clusters. Green et al (2000) observed that the "discovery of a proportion of African haplotypes roughly equivalent to the proportion of European haplotypes [among North Central Mexican Indians] cannot be explained by recent admixture of African Americans for the United States. This is especially the case for the Ojinaga area, which presently is, and historically has been, largely isolated from U.S. African Americans.

In the Ojinaga sample set, the frequency of African haplotypes was higher that that of European hyplotypes”. In a discussion of the Mexican and African admixture in Mexico Lisker et al (1996) noted that the East Coast of Mexico had extensive admixture.

The following percentages of African ancestry were found among East coast populations: Paraiso - 21.7%; El Carmen - 28.4% ;Veracruz - 25.6%; Saladero - 30.2%; and Tamiahua - 40.5%. Among Indian groups, Lisker et al (1996) found among the Chontal have 5% and the Cora .8% African admixture[14].

The Chontal speak a Mayan language. According to Crawford et al.(1974), the mestizo population of Saltillo has 15.8% African ancestry, while Tlaxcala has 8% and Cuanalan 18.1%.[15]

In the Olmec heartland region of the current states of Veracruz and Tabasco, Lisker[16] finds these percentages of African ancestry: Paraiso - 21.7% ; El Carmen - 28.4% ; Veracruz - 25.6% ; Saladero - 30.2% ; Tamiahua - 40.5%. "

Is he saying that Veracruz - is 25.6% African ancestry?????
trollslayer

United States

#5738 Jul 3, 2012
PLoS publishes seven peer-reviewed open-access journals .. It is also non-for-profit so there no “hidden agenda” being served.

Genetic Evidence of Early African Migration into America

http://www.google.com/url... (2000)%20african%20ancestry &source=web&cd=3&v ed=0CFsQFjAC&url=http%3A%2 F%2Fwww.plosone.org%2Fannotati on%2FlistThread.action%3Bjsess ionid%3D41947E3BD27F0A1D14416F 22576DBDC2%3Froot%3D18%252C395 &ei=0WvzT8nKJ8X0qAGy9ZHEAw &usg=AFQjCNHFvC12y8NcuXJb9 0klsRCaPlihvQ&cad=rja

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#5739 Jul 3, 2012
Bakari Neferu wrote:
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And I suppose somewhere in that vast stretch of emptiness inside your head, you think that Africa's climate never fostered any "humid lush area", yet somehow, still churned out bunches of Black people, as there were no white people in ancient Sub Saharan Africa.
I also suppose you think any of this matters. Southern Arabia is in the tropical zone, and it is the first place the people who left Africa, carrying L3, landed, which means that these people, just like the people still living in Africa, were Black. I don't understand why this concept is so difficult for you to grasp.There would have been no reason to generate paler skin. Even Jablonski is always asserting how humans didn't get paler into they much into the much cooler regions of the world, which excludes southern Arabia since its temp would have been the same as Sub Saharan Africa.
Oh, and by the way, there are still people in Africa today who live in these lush forest areas, Pygmies, and they're still Black, so...I guess that just kinda defecates on your whole "this means that M and N type people, when they appeared, also in Arabia, also probably were whiter than the driven snow" just because they may have been living in some "humid lush area" point, now doesn't it? No major climate differences between Arabia and Africa, which means, no major skin pigmentation differences.
"Situated in the very heart of Africa, Congo's (Zaire) Ituri Forest is one of the world's least known regions. The Mbuti Pygmies have lived in the isolation of the huge trees of the rain forest for unknown thousands of years, sharing their remote world with an incredible assortment of animals." Pygmies Of The Rain Forest
.....and they're still Black.
You still don't get it, moron.

It is not temperature which affects skin color, it is the amount of uV radiation.

What a dense uneducated racist piece of subhuman lowlife you are, boy.

Obviously, you dullard, people who migrated from Arabia into more tropical areas, like southern India, got DARKER than they already were (are not southern Indians darker than Ethiopians?). And others turned lighter, obviously, duh.

Your attempts to steal even Europe and make it “black” are laughable, but also despicable, being racist.

Don't make the mistake of ever spewing your racist culture-vulture nonsense in my presence, boy.
Jeff

Natick, MA

#5740 Jul 3, 2012
trollslayer wrote:
PLoS publishes seven peer-reviewed open-access journals .. It is also non-for-profit so there no “hidden agenda” being served.
Genetic Evidence of Early African Migration into America
http://www.google.com/url... (2000)%20african%20ancestry &source=web&cd=3&v ed=0CFsQFjAC&url=http%3A%2 F%2Fwww.plosone.org%2Fannotati on%2FlistThread.action%3Bjsess ionid%3D41947E3BD27F0A1D14416F 22576DBDC2%3Froot%3D18%252C395 &ei=0WvzT8nKJ8X0qAGy9ZHEAw &usg=AFQjCNHFvC12y8NcuXJb9 0klsRCaPlihvQ&cad=rja
That is NOT peer-reviewed NOR a published paper by PLoS, that is an open FORUM that anyone can post messages too and that ridiculous post was made by none other then that idiot Clyde Winters who no one takes seriously.
trollslayer

United States

#5742 Jul 3, 2012
This link should work and it comes with 11 footnoted sources

Genetic Evidence of Early African Migration into America

http://www.plosone.org/annotation/listThread....

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#5743 Jul 3, 2012
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey boy...I never denied the Asian artifacts in Von Wuthenau's collection.....therefore YOU wil not deny the African figurines in his collection. Especially the one with the " afro".
I'm going with Dr. de Garay's finding's and not the rantings of imbecile who puts on a silly fake name as a "change of pace"
Sigh.......anyway can you explain ( away) what's going here with these "percentages"?
" Green et al (2000) also found indigenous natives with African genes in North Central Mexico, including the L1 and L2 clusters. Green et al (2000) observed that the "discovery of a proportion of African haplotypes roughly equivalent to the proportion of European haplotypes [among North Central Mexican Indians] cannot be explained by recent admixture of African Americans for the United States. This is especially the case for the Ojinaga area, which presently is, and historically has been, largely isolated from U.S. African Americans.
In the Ojinaga sample set, the frequency of African haplotypes was higher that that of European hyplotypes”. In a discussion of the Mexican and African admixture in Mexico Lisker et al (1996) noted that the East Coast of Mexico had extensive admixture.
The following percentages of African ancestry were found among East coast populations: Paraiso - 21.7%; El Carmen - 28.4% ;Veracruz - 25.6%; Saladero - 30.2%; and Tamiahua - 40.5%. Among Indian groups, Lisker et al (1996) found among the Chontal have 5% and the Cora .8% African admixture[14].
The Chontal speak a Mayan language. According to Crawford et al.(1974), the mestizo population of Saltillo has 15.8% African ancestry, while Tlaxcala has 8% and Cuanalan 18.1%.[15]
In the Olmec heartland region of the current states of Veracruz and Tabasco, Lisker[16] finds these percentages of African ancestry: Paraiso - 21.7% ; El Carmen - 28.4% ; Veracruz - 25.6% ; Saladero - 30.2% ; Tamiahua - 40.5%. "
Is he saying that Veracruz - is 25.6% African ancestry?????
Well, Afronazi turd, I will not accept those heads as evidence of either Chinese or Africans in Mexico until we have some real proof. I could just as easily say that the Mexicans sailed to Africa and China.

You realize that with the absolute lack of evidence for Africans, if we DO find that the Olmecs had seen Africans, it would be that a boatload of them washed up, probably mostly dead. Certainly they had no impact on Mexican civilizations. But even that isn't proven.

No, you still have nothing, boy.

My understanding is that the Mexican gene pool is about 6% African. This if from 2 sources: slaves brought by the Spanish, and African-American runaways whom Mexico refused to return to their gringo owners,

Is that figure for Veracruz state or city? For the city, maybe, but for the state, I really doubt it.

I have been all over the state of Veracruz, north to south. I seriously doubt those percentages. I do not recall seeing one person there, in the city or state, who looked like they were part black. I saw a lot of people who looked like pure Natives, and some of them strongly resembled those stone heads...

I'm sure if I'd hung around in the city of Veracruz rather than just passing through, I'd have seen someone who looked black. That is, after all, the port into which the Spanish brought their slaves.

Some of Mexico's national heroes were black, especially from the period of Independence. Talk about that, because you've got NOTHING pre-Cortés.
trollslayer

United States

#5744 Jul 3, 2012
http://www.plosone.org/annotation/listThread....

Are all these people liars?????

References:
1. R. Lisker et al.(1996). Genetic structure of autochthonous populations of Meso-america:Mexico. Am. J. Hum Biol 68:395-404.

2. Green, L.D.,(2000), "Mitochondrial DNA affinities of the people of North-Central Mexico", Am J of Hum Genet, 66:989-998.

3. Angelica Gonzalez-Oliver et al.(2001). Founding Amerindian mitochondrial DNA lineages in ancient Maya from Xcaret, Quintana Roo. Am. Jour of Physical Anthropology, 116 (3):230-235. Retreived 2/9/2006 at: http://www3.int erscience....

4. Bonilla C, Gutierrez G, Parra E J, Kline C, Shriver M D.(2005). Admixture of a rural population of the State of Guerrero,Mexico, Am J Phys Anthropol. Dec;128(4):861-9.

5. Salas A, Richards M, De la Fe T, Lareu M V, Sobrino B, Sanchez-Diz P, Macaulay V, Carracedo A.(2002). The making of the West African mtDNA Landscape, Am J. Hum. Genet, 71:1082-1111.

6. Jackson B A, Wilson J L, Kirbah S, Sidney S S, Bassie L, Alle J A D, McLean D C Garvey W T.(2005). Am J Phys Anthropol. 128:156-163.

7. Underhill,P.A.,Jin,L., Zemans,R., Oefner,J and Cavalli-Sforza,L.L.(1996, January). A pre-Columbian Y chromosome-specific transition and its implications for human evolutionary history, Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA,93, 196-200.

8. Lell J T, Brown M D, Schurr T G, Sukernik R I, Starikovskaya Y B, Torroni A, Moore L G, Troup G M Wallace D C.1997. Y chromosome polymorphisms in Native American and Siberian populations: identification of Native American Y chromosome haplotypes, Hum Genet., 100(5-6):536-43.

9. James L. Guthrie, Human lymphocyte antigens:Apparent Afro-Asiatic, southern Asian and European HLAs in indigenous American populations. Retrieved 3/3/2006 at: http://www.neara.org/Guth ...

10. M.H. Crawford et al (1974).Human biology in Mexico II. A comparison of blood group, serum, and red cell enzyme frequencies and genetic distances of the Indian population of Mexico. Am. Phys. Anthropol, 41: 251-268.

11. Marco P. Hernadez Cuevas.(2004). African Mexicans and the discourse on Modern Mexico.Oxford: University Press.

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#5745 Jul 3, 2012
trollslayer wrote:
PLoS publishes seven peer-reviewed open-access journals .. It is also non-for-profit so there no “hidden agenda” being served.
Genetic Evidence of Early African Migration into America
http://www.google.com/url... (2000)%20african%20ancestry &source=web&cd=3&v ed=0CFsQFjAC&url=http%3A%2 F%2Fwww.plosone.org%2Fannotati on%2FlistThread.action%3Bjsess ionid%3D41947E3BD27F0A1D14416F 22576DBDC2%3Froot%3D18%252C395 &ei=0WvzT8nKJ8X0qAGy9ZHEAw &usg=AFQjCNHFvC12y8NcuXJb9 0klsRCaPlihvQ&cad=rja
Link doesn't work, no surprise.

You have nothing, boy.

What you don't get is that I'm well educated in this field, and if there were genetic proof of Africans in America I'd have heard about it.

You, on the other hand, are an uneducated Afronazi racist, therefore worthless in human terms.

Face it, you culture-vulture history thieving bastard, you have nothing. So get your greasy Afronazi paws off other peoples' history.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#5746 Jul 3, 2012
trollslayer wrote:
This link should work and it comes with 11 footnoted sources
Genetic Evidence of Early African Migration into America
http://www.plosone.org/annotation/listThread....
AGAIN: That is NOT peer-reviewed NOR a published paper by PLoS, that is an open FORUM that anyone can post messages too and that ridiculous post was made by none other then that idiot Clyde Winters who no one takes seriously. And he lied even in his suppose 'foot notes', for example the The Green et al (2000) study clearly states any European and African markers in indigenous native Americans is POST European contact with the Americas and I quote:

"Prior to the Spanish conquest, Mexico was inhabited largely by peoples who crossed the Bering Land Bridge from Asia at the end of the PleistoceneEpoch. Some historians have estimated that 4–5 million Native Americans inhabited Mexico before the Spanish arrived, and other estimates are as high as 25 million (Mörner 1967). The presence of a large proportion of Native American haplotypes in north-central Mexico would be expected, given that a large number of Native Americans inhabited Mexico for thousands of years.

With the Spanish invasion, European genetic lineages increased in frequency, and thus the presence of European mtDNA haplotypes in Mexican populations should be expected. With the drastic reduction of the Native American population, a large number of African laborers were brought to Mexico during the late 16th and early 17th centuries, to replace native labor (Beltrán; Palmer; Valdés; Stern ). Importation of Africans into Mexico by the Spanish during the 16th–18th centuries is documented historically (Beltrán)." ~ Green et al (2000)

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#5747 Jul 3, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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That is NOT peer-reviewed NOR a published paper by PLoS, that is an open FORUM that anyone can post messages too and that ridiculous post was made by none other then that idiot Clyde Winters who no one takes seriously.
LOL!! No kidding... hell, I'm GLAD the link didn't work.

CLYDE WINTERS!!! LOL!!! this is his big proof... oh wow, I guess he showed me! LOL!!!

Clyde f'ing Winters... smh....
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#5748 Jul 3, 2012
trollslayer wrote:
http://www.plosone.org/annotat ion/listThread.action?root=183 95
Are all these people liars?????
References:
1. R. Lisker et al.(1996). Genetic structure of autochthonous populations of Meso-america:Mexico. Am. J. Hum Biol 68:395-404.
2. Green, L.D.,(2000), "Mitochondrial DNA affinities of the people of North-Central Mexico", Am J of Hum Genet, 66:989-998.
3. Angelica Gonzalez-Oliver et al.(2001). Founding Amerindian mitochondrial DNA lineages in ancient Maya from Xcaret, Quintana Roo. Am. Jour of Physical Anthropology, 116 (3):230-235. Retreived 2/9/2006 at: http://www3.int erscience....
4. Bonilla C, Gutierrez G, Parra E J, Kline C, Shriver M D.(2005). Admixture of a rural population of the State of Guerrero,Mexico, Am J Phys Anthropol. Dec;128(4):861-9.
5. Salas A, Richards M, De la Fe T, Lareu M V, Sobrino B, Sanchez-Diz P, Macaulay V, Carracedo A.(2002). The making of the West African mtDNA Landscape, Am J. Hum. Genet, 71:1082-1111.
6. Jackson B A, Wilson J L, Kirbah S, Sidney S S, Bassie L, Alle J A D, McLean D C Garvey W T.(2005). Am J Phys Anthropol. 128:156-163.
7. Underhill,P.A.,Jin,L., Zemans,R., Oefner,J and Cavalli-Sforza,L.L.(1996, January). A pre-Columbian Y chromosome-specific transition and its implications for human evolutionary history, Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA,93, 196-200.
8. Lell J T, Brown M D, Schurr T G, Sukernik R I, Starikovskaya Y B, Torroni A, Moore L G, Troup G M Wallace D C.1997. Y chromosome polymorphisms in Native American and Siberian populations: identification of Native American Y chromosome haplotypes, Hum Genet., 100(5-6):536-43.
9. James L. Guthrie, Human lymphocyte antigens:Apparent Afro-Asiatic, southern Asian and European HLAs in indigenous American populations. Retrieved 3/3/2006 at: http://www.neara.org/Guth ...
10. M.H. Crawford et al (1974).Human biology in Mexico II. A comparison of blood group, serum, and red cell enzyme frequencies and genetic distances of the Indian population of Mexico. Am. Phys. Anthropol, 41: 251-268.
11. Marco P. Hernadez Cuevas.(2004). African Mexicans and the discourse on Modern Mexico.Oxford: University Press.
NONE of those books and studies say what that idiot Clyde Winters is saying they do. Most deal with Africans in the Americas POST European contact and in some cases like the Green study Winters out rightly LIED to promote his Afrocentric propaganda and I quote from the Green study who clearly states NO Africans were in the Americas prior to European contact yet again:

"Prior to the Spanish conquest, Mexico was inhabited largely by peoples who crossed the Bering Land Bridge from Asia at the end of the PleistoceneEpoch. Some historians have estimated that 4–5 million Native Americans inhabited Mexico before the Spanish arrived, and other estimates are as high as 25 million (Mörner 1967). The presence of a large proportion of Native American haplotypes in north-central Mexico would be expected, given that a large number of Native Americans inhabited Mexico for thousands of years.

With the Spanish invasion, European genetic lineages increased in frequency, and thus the presence of European mtDNA haplotypes in Mexican populations should be expected. With the drastic reduction of the Native American population, a large number of African laborers were brought to Mexico during the late 16th and early 17th centuries, to replace native labor (Beltrán; Palmer; Valdés; Stern ). Importation of Africans into Mexico by the Spanish during the 16th–18th centuries is documented historically (Beltrán)." ~ Green et al (2000)
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#5750 Jul 3, 2012
Sinajuavi wrote:
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LOL!! No kidding... hell, I'm GLAD the link didn't work.
CLYDE WINTERS!!! LOL!!! this is his big proof... oh wow, I guess he showed me! LOL!!!
Clyde f'ing Winters... smh....
Yeah tell me about it. Winters out rightly LIED (no surprise with him) to promote his Afrocentric propaganda and I quote from the Green study who clearly states NO Africans were in the Americas prior to European contact but that clown Winters try's to pass it off as if Green found African markers in Native Americans when the study clearly says they did not and states as much..lol:

"Prior to the Spanish conquest, Mexico was inhabited largely by peoples who crossed the Bering Land Bridge from Asia at the end of the PleistoceneEpoch. Some historians have estimated that 4–5 million Native Americans inhabited Mexico before the Spanish arrived, and other estimates are as high as 25 million (Mörner 1967). The presence of a large proportion of Native American haplotypes in north-central Mexico would be expected, given that a large number of Native Americans inhabited Mexico for thousands of years.

With the Spanish invasion, European genetic lineages increased in frequency, and thus the presence of European mtDNA haplotypes in Mexican populations should be expected. With the drastic reduction of the Native American population, a large number of African laborers were brought to Mexico during the late 16th and early 17th centuries, to replace native labor (Beltrán; Palmer; Valdés; Stern ). Importation of Africans into Mexico by the Spanish during the 16th–18th centuries is documented historically (Beltrán)." ~ Green et al (2000)
trollslayer

United States

#5751 Jul 3, 2012
Sinajuavi wrote:
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Well, Afronazi turd, I will not accept those heads as evidence of either Chinese or Africans in Mexico until we have some real proof. I could just as easily say that the Mexicans sailed to Africa and China.
You realize that with the absolute lack of evidence for Africans, if we DO find that the Olmecs had seen Africans, it would be that a boatload of them washed up, probably mostly dead. Certainly they had no impact on Mexican civilizations. But even that isn't proven.
No, you still have nothing, boy.
My understanding is that the Mexican gene pool is about 6% African. This if from 2 sources: slaves brought by the Spanish, and African-American runaways whom Mexico refused to return to their gringo owners,
Is that figure for Veracruz state or city? For the city, maybe, but for the state, I really doubt it.
I have been all over the state of Veracruz, north to south. I seriously doubt those percentages. I do not recall seeing one person there, in the city or state, who looked like they were part black. I saw a lot of people who looked like pure Natives, and some of them strongly resembled those stone heads...
I'm sure if I'd hung around in the city of Veracruz rather than just passing through, I'd have seen someone who looked black. That is, after all, the port into which the Spanish brought their slaves.
Some of Mexico's national heroes were black, especially from the period of Independence. Talk about that, because you've got NOTHING pre-Cortés.
Look boy....
I don't wanna talk about them. I know that they fought the Spanish colonizers and played very significant in Mexico's indepence. I could very indepth with what and haw the did it.

However, they are irrelevant to the ancient African presence in this area. So don't play ganes with me ...boy.
The study deal with people who've no contact with "slaves".

Nobody gives a shyt what YOU saw, ur a liar who won't even stick to one "screen name".

Maybe you choose to close ur eyes to this part of the study:

" Green et al (2000) observed that the "discovery of a proportion of African haplotypes roughly equivalent to the proportion of European haplotypes [among North Central Mexican Indians] cannot be explained by recent admixture of African Americans for the United States.

This is especially the case for the Ojinaga area, which presently is, and historically has been, largely isolated from U.S. African Americans. In the Ojinaga sample set, the frequency of African haplotypes was higher that that of European hyplotypes”. "

One thing you fail to realize is the OLMECS/Africans didn't come to the Americas as "Godless, murderous, colonizers" like the Spanish. What happened is the OLMECS/Africans melded into the existing population. The African haplotypes in the study prove it.

Now....bring UR OUTSIDE SOURCES......or stop the trolling & meltdowns. Bring ur sources. You know the protocol. Show some 'effing creditability with OUTSIDE attribution.

I challenge you to bring OUTSIDE SOURCES that prove ur b.s. assertions.....phoney non-mexican....u feel that sting on ur face. That my 'effing glove of challenge, slapping you in the face.

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