Citizen 1986

UK

#466 May 17, 2014
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
Ø_ø
Ps,
As I have stated before, neighboring populations usually overlap. The irony is however, that these East African populations are usually dark skinned, to very dark skinned.
While these Khoisan live in Medeteranian climatic zones. Where it even snows at the southern coast.
http://ucanr.edu/sites/scmg/files/89711displa...
http://sirocco.accuweather.com/adc_images2/en...
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8fakgO5Bb1...
AKSUM c. AD 100–700: TEACHERS’ NOTES
Introduction
quote:
Aksum was the name of a city and a kingdom which is essentially modern-day northern Ethiopia (Tigray province) and Eritrea. Research shows that Aksum was a major naval and trading power from the 1st to the 7th centuries AD. As a civilisation it had a profound impact upon the people of Egypt, southern Arabia, Europe and Asia, all of whom were visitors to its shores, and in some cases were residents. The peak of Aksum’s power came with the invasions into South Arabia in the 3rd, 4th and 6th centuries, and the invasion of Meroe around AD 320, which caused the final decline of the Kushite kingdom.
Despite its power and reputation – it was described by a Persian writer as one of the four greatest powers in the world at the time – very little is known about it. Aksum had written scripts, but no histories or descriptions have been found to make this African civilisation come alive.
History
quote:
Not much is known of the history of Aksum, other than what can be gleaned from the inscriptions left by various kings on their achievements. Ezana, c. 321–360, is probably the best known of the rulers, or at least the best at publicising himself, and he is credited with the introduction of Christianity, as well as waging campaigns to secure tribute and expand territory. It is known from inscriptions that at the time he came to the throne, Aksum ruled over much of modern Ethiopia, as well as the kingdom of Meroe to the north and most of South Arabia.
https://www.britishmuseum.org/pdf/KingdomOfAk...
He lives in South Africa yet he doesnt know the weather.
Jawga Boy

Atlanta, GA

#468 May 17, 2014
More Negroes found in Mexico!

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/north-americas-oldes...

Or perhaps they were transported there by a spaceship!
Almoravid

Netherlands

#469 May 17, 2014
Jawga Boy wrote:
More Negroes found in Mexico!
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/north-americas-oldes...
Or perhaps they were transported there by a spaceship!
Great discovery, but you are off topic.

Anyway, have they found the spaceship?

http://www.sciencemagazinedigital.org/science...
Noneknoweth

United States

#470 May 17, 2014
Garrig wrote:
<quoted text>
Most people would not say the Egyptians were White. Some were Black obviously but many did look more Middle Eastern. We should just agree that Egyptians were a mixed people and leave it at that.
I agree. The depictions of Egyptians throughout history shows a clear mixture of peoples as you mention above.

The problem is that we have two major insecure groups (racist Afrocentrics and racist Eurocentrics) today fighting with their emotions (insecurity, jealousy, animosity, pride) blinding them, not with unbiased logic at the forefront of their minds.

Two extremes not willing to admit that the truth is probably "somewhere in the middle."
Almoravid

Netherlands

#471 May 17, 2014
Noneknoweth wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. The depictions of Egyptians throughout history shows a clear mixture of peoples as you mention above.
The problem is that we have two major insecure groups (racist Afrocentrics and racist Eurocentrics) today fighting with their emotions (insecurity, jealousy, animosity, pride) blinding them, not with unbiased logic at the forefront of their minds.
Two extremes not willing to admit that the truth is probably "somewhere in the middle."
Th real problem here is that you don know how to interpret the art, nor do you understand the history.

I have posted loads of peer reviewed scientific information on the ancient Egyptian population, compared to the present population.

All studies show that ancient Egyptians were indigenous people, from several "tribes". These studies are done on archeology, climatology, physical anthropology, cultural anthropology etc. Yet, here you are with your eye-biology (looking at pictures).

I can post more if you like?
Citizen 1986

UK

#473 May 17, 2014
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
Th real problem here is that you don know how to interpret the art, nor do you understand the history.
I have posted loads of peer reviewed scientific information on the ancient Egyptian population, compared to the present population.
All studies show that ancient Egyptians were indigenous people, from several "tribes". These studies are done on archeology, climatology, physical anthropology, cultural anthropology etc. Yet, here you are with your eye-biology (looking at pictures).
I can post more if you like?
Hahhahahahahahhaha!
Eye-biology now thats funny.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#474 May 17, 2014
I'm sorry for the typos earlier on, I was in a rush.

Quote:
In fact, in terms of body shape, the European and the Inuit samples tend to be cold-adapted and tend to be separated in multivariate space from the more tropically adapted Africans, especially those groups from south of the Sahara.
--Holliday TW, Hilton CE.

Quote:
Body proportions of circumpolar peoples as evidenced from skeletal data: Ipiutak and Tigara (Point Hope) versus Kodiak Island Inuit.
---Trenton Holliday (2000) Evolution at the
Crossroads: Modern Human Emergence in Western
Asia. American Anthropologist. New Series, Vol. 102, No. 1, 54-68

Quote:
Science. 2006 Aug 11;313(5788):803-7. Epub 2006 Jul 20.

Climate-controlled Holocene occupation in the Sahara: motor of Africa's evolution.

Kuper R, Kröpelin S.

Source

Collaborative Research Center 389 (ACACIA), University of Cologne, Institute of Prehistoric Archaeology, Africa Research Unit, Jennerstrasse 8, 50823 Köln, Germany.

Abstract

Radiocarbon data from 150 archaeological excavations in the now hyper-arid Eastern Sahara of Egypt, Sudan, Libya, and Chad reveal close links between climatic variations and prehistoric occupation during the past 12,000 years. Synoptic multiple-indicator views for major time slices demonstrate the transition from initial settlement after the sudden onset of humid conditions at 8500 B.C.E. to the exodus resulting from gradual desiccation since 5300 B.C.E.

Southward shifting of the desert margin helped trigger the emergence of pharaonic civilisation along the Nile, influenced the spread of pastoralism throughout the continent, and affects sub-Saharan Africa to the present day.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/313/5788/80...
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#475 May 17, 2014
Citizen 1986 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hahhahahahahahhaha!
Eye-biology now thats funny.
This here alone shuts the door down.

Repost,

quote:
What we can say, however, is that in the Holocene, humans from southwest Asia do not exhibit tropically adapted body shape (Crognier 1981; Eveleth and Tanner 1976; Schreider 1975).... "
---Trenton Holliday (2000) Evolution at the
Crossroads: Modern Human Emergence in Western
Asia. American Anthropologist. New Series, Vol. 102, No. 1, 54-68

quote:
"Analysis of Predinastic skeletal material showed tropical African elements in the population of the earliest populations of the earliest Badarian culture" [...]
--Frank Yurco

quote:
Little change in body shape was found through time, suggesting that all body segments were varying in size in response to environmental and social conditions. The change found in body plan is suggested to be the result of the later groups having a more tropical (Nilotic) form than the preceding populations.
--Sonia R. Zakrzewski, American Journal of&#65279; Physical Anthropology
Volume 121, Issue 3, pages 219–229, July 2003

quote:
Little change in body shape was found through time, suggesting that all body segments were varying in size in response to environmental and social conditions. The change found in body plan is suggested to be the result of the later groups having a more tropical (Nilotic) form than the preceding populations.
--Sonia R. Zakrzewski, American Journal of&#65279; Physical Anthropology
Volume 121, Issue 3, pages 219–229, July 2003

quote:
The results indicate overall population continuity over the Predynastic and early Dynastic, and high levels of genetic heterogeneity, thereby suggesting that state formation occurred as a mainly indigenous process. Nevertheless, significant differences were found in morphology between both geographically-pooled and cemetery-specific temporal groups, indicating that some migration occurred along the Egyptian Nile Valley over the periods&time; studied.
--Am J Phys Anthropol, 2007.

quote:
African peoples are the most diverse in the world whether analyzed by DNA or skeletal or cranial methods. The peoples of the Nile Valley vary but they are still related. The people most related ethnically to the ancient Egyptians are other Africans like Nubians not cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or Asiatics.(Keita 1996; Rethelford, 2001; Bianchi 2004, Yurco 1989;
--Godde 2009)

quote:
Northern Egyptians group with Africans: QUOTE – Smith 2002: "Limb length proportions in males from Maadi and Merimde group them with African rather than European populations. Mean femur length in males from Maadi was similar to that recorded at Byblos and the early Bronze Age male from Kabri, but mean tibia length in Maadi males was 6.9cm longer than that at Byblos. At Merimde both bones were longer than at the other sites shown, but again, the tibia was longer proportionate to femurs than at Byblos (Fig 6.2), reinforcing the impression of an African rather than Levantine affinity.“
-- Smith, P.(2002) The palaeo-biological evidence for admix.. In: Egypt & the Levant.. Leicester Univ. 118-28

semi-tropical/arid tropic zones, show clear limb proportion characteristics of tropically adapted people, and MORE closely resemble other tropically adapted Africans on the continent, than Europeans or Middle Easterners.(Raxter and Ruff 2008, Zakrewski 2003, 2007; Holliday et al, 2003, Kemp, 2005) 3) Undermining claims of cold-climate or skin color primacy for civilization, the great ancient Nile Valley civilization arose from the 'darker' more tropical south, NOT the cold climate or cool climate Mediterranean, Europe or Asia.(Clark, 1982; Shaw 1976, 2003; Bard, 2004; Vogel, 1997;
--Kemp 2005)

And there is plenty more.
Slave Coast

Seattle, WA

#476 May 17, 2014
Noneknoweth wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. The depictions of Egyptians throughout history shows a clear mixture of peoples as you mention above.
The problem is that we have two major insecure groups (racist Afrocentrics and racist Eurocentrics) today fighting with their emotions (insecurity, jealousy, animosity, pride) blinding them, not with unbiased logic at the forefront of their minds.
Two extremes not willing to admit that the truth is probably "somewhere in the middle."
There may have been a "mixture of peoples" but please believe up until the Hyskos they were all INDENGINOUS, wether they were light brown, medium brown, or dark brown. After the Hyskos were kicked out again they were indenginous up until the greeks crept in. Whats wrong with being "Afrocentric" when were dealing with Africa, lol. The main confusion with the ethnicities of the Ancient Egyptians is people use terms like "black" to one say they were or 2 say they were not black. There is not a "Black" person on the entire planet. A better word to desribe them would be indenginous.

So again when you say mixture of peoples its confusing. There were not a "mixture" of different people in Pre Dynastic or Dynastic Egypt. America has a "mixture of peoples" you got africans, eroupeans , asians, islanders, ect. A melting pot. Everyone in egypt the time were all indenginous, so who were these "mixture" of peoples.
trollslayer

Munster, IN

#477 May 17, 2014
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
O_o
quote:
"...the Cro-Magnons, the presumed ancestors of modern Europeans....were more like present-day Australians or Africans..."
--Chris Stringer, African Exodus ((Michael Witzel, The Origins of the World's Mythologies) 2013) Oxford University Press
quote:
Today, most paleoanthropologists agree that the Cro-Magnons came from Africa (5).
--Stringer, C. B.(2003) Nature 423 , 692–695. pmid:12802315
http://www.pnas.org/content/101/16/5705.full
quote:
At about 40,000 years ago, however, Homo sapiens, in the form of the Cro-Magnons, began trickling into Europe, probably from an initially African place of origin.
[...]
It was brought with them by the Cro-Magnons, whose new qualities had emerged elsewhere. Probably this was in Africa, for it is from this continent that we have not just the first suggestions of the emergence of modern anatomical structure, but of modern behaviors as well.
[...]
The most remarkable early evidence of symbolic activity in Africa comes in the form of the recent find of engraved ochre plaques, such as this one, from Blombos Cave on the southern coast of Africa (Fig. 10). This is an unequivocally symbolic object, even if we cannot directly discern the significance of the geometric design that the plaque bears; and it is dated to around 70,000 years ago, over 30,000 years before anything equivalent is found in Europe.
To evidence such as this can be added suggestions of a symbolic organization of space at the site of Klasies River Mouth (Fig. 11), also near the southern tip of Africa, at over 100,000 years ago. Pierced shells, with the strong implication of stringing for body ornamentation, are known from Porc-Epic Cave in Ethiopia at around 70,000 years ago. Bone tools of the kind introduced much later to Europe by the Cro-Magnons, are found at the Congolese site of Katanda, dated to perhaps 80,000 years ago. Blade tool industries, again formerly associated principally with the Cro-Magnons, are found at least sporadically at sites in Africa that date to as much as a quarter of a million years ago. Also in the economic/technological realm, such activities as flint-mining, pigment-processing and long-distance trade in useful materials are documented in Africa up to about 100,000 years ago. These and other early African innovations are reviewed by McBrearty and Brooks (2000).
http://www.metmuseum.org/en/exhibitions/listi...
Quote:
"Molecular biology has traced the ancestry of the Cro-Magnons deep into&#65279; tropical Africa, into the territory of the hypothetical African Eve"...
--Cro-Magnon:How the Ice Age Gave Birth to the First Modern Humans, By Brian Fagan,pg 89 (2010).
This was already in 2007.
Quote:
Although two mtDNA lineages with an African origin (haplogroups M and N)
-- Tishkoff SA. et al.
Mol Biol Evol. 2007 Mar;24(3):757-68. Epub 2006 Dec 28.
Whole-mtDNA genome sequence analysis of ancient African lineages.
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/24/3/75...
quote:
Although the study's main focus was on Africa, Tishkoff and her colleagues studied DNA markers from around the planet, identifying 14 "ancestral clusters" for all of humanity. Nine of those clusters are in Africa. "You're seeing more diversity in one continent than across the globe," Tishkoff said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
ONE MORE TIME

"...the Cro-Magnons, the presumed ancestors of modern Europeans....were more like present-day Australians or Africans..."
--Chris Stringer, African Exodus ((Michael Witzel, The Origins of the World's Mythologies) 2013) Oxford University Press
trollslayer

Munster, IN

#478 May 17, 2014
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
This here alone shuts the door down.
Repost,
quote:
What we can say, however, is that in the Holocene, humans from southwest Asia do not exhibit tropically adapted body shape (Crognier 1981; Eveleth and Tanner 1976; Schreider 1975).... "
---Trenton Holliday (2000) Evolution at the
Crossroads: Modern Human Emergence in Western
Asia. American Anthropologist. New Series, Vol. 102, No. 1, 54-68
quote:
"Analysis of Predinastic skeletal material showed tropical African elements in the population of the earliest populations of the earliest Badarian culture" [...]
--Frank Yurco
quote:
Little change in body shape was found through time, suggesting that all body segments were varying in size in response to environmental and social conditions. The change found in body plan is suggested to be the result of the later groups having a more tropical (Nilotic) form than the preceding populations.
--Sonia R. Zakrzewski, American Journal of&#65279; Physical Anthropology
Volume 121, Issue 3, pages 219–229, July 2003
quote:
Little change in body shape was found through time, suggesting that all body segments were varying in size in response to environmental and social conditions. The change found in body plan is suggested to be the result of the later groups having a more tropical (Nilotic) form than the preceding populations.
--Sonia R. Zakrzewski, American Journal of&#65279; Physical Anthropology
Volume 121, Issue 3, pages 219–229, July 2003
quote:
The results indicate overall population continuity over the Predynastic and early Dynastic, and high levels of genetic heterogeneity, thereby suggesting that state formation occurred as a mainly indigenous process. Nevertheless, significant differences were found in morphology between both geographically-pooled and cemetery-specific temporal groups, indicating that some migration occurred along the Egyptian Nile Valley over the periods&time; studied.
--Am J Phys Anthropol, 2007.
quote:
African peoples are the most diverse in the world whether analyzed by DNA or skeletal or cranial methods. The peoples of the Nile Valley vary but they are still related. The people most related ethnically to the ancient Egyptians are other Africans like Nubians not cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or Asiatics.(Keita 1996; Rethelford, 2001; Bianchi 2004, Yurco 1989;
--Godde 2009)
quote:
Northern Egyptians group with Africans: QUOTE – Smith 2002: "Limb length proportions in males from Maadi and Merimde group them with African rather than European populations. Mean femur length in males from Maadi was similar to that recorded at Byblos and the early Bronze Age male from Kabri, but mean tibia length in Maadi males was 6.9cm longer than that at Byblos. At Merimde both bones were longer than at the other sites shown, but again, the tibia was longer proportionate to femurs than at Byblos (Fig 6.2), reinforcing the impression of an African rather than Levantine affinity.“
-- Smith, P.(2002) The palaeo-biological evidence for admix.. In: Egypt & the Levant.. Leicester Univ. 118-28
semi-tropical/arid tropic zones, show clear limb proportion characteristics of tropically adapted people, and MORE closely resemble other tropically adapted Africans on the continent, than Europeans or Middle Easterners.(Raxter and Ruff 2008, Zakrewski 2003, 2007; Holliday et al, 2003, Kemp, 2005) 3) Undermining claims of cold-climate or skin color primacy for civilization, the great ancient Nile Valley civilization arose from the 'darker' more tropical south, NOT the cold climate or cool climate Mediterranean, Europe or Asia.(Clark, 1982; Shaw 1976, 2003; Bard, 2004; Vogel, 1997;
--Kemp 2005)
And there is plenty more.
Great job at solidifying your points with substantiated data.

__

Trolls take note on what & how Almoravid crafted / presented his points. He provides both the postulation and the reference point.
trollslayer

Munster, IN

#479 May 17, 2014
Citizen 1986 wrote:
<quoted text>
He lives in South Africa yet he doesnt know the weather.
that's because "alf" is a fake SOB. More than likely a white troll using a proxy.
wese skeerd of dat

UK

#480 May 18, 2014
Black Power wrote:
<quoted text>
DNA proves the Ancient Egyptians were BLACK
Watch this video to see how that lie unfolded (your youtube video)
REAL King Tut DNA Test = BLACK 100%
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =hP1fQhDiTzAXX
It debunks your crap video
Now here's DNA from legitimate DNA companies that shows King Tut was black
http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-201...
http://dnaconsultants.com/king-tut-gene
Now here is other Ancient Egyptian DNA
Ramesses III and African Ancestry in the 20th Dynasty of New
Kingdom Egypt
http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-201...
The Akhenaten Gene
http://dnaconsultants.com/akhenaten-gene
The Egyptian Gene
http://dnaconsultants.com/egyptian-gene
Read and weep devils
if King Tut really was a 100% black negro he'd have been in jail or on a chain gang building pyramids.
Big Knob

United States

#481 May 18, 2014
wese skeerd of dat wrote:
<quoted text>if King Tut really was a 100% black negro he'd have been in jail or on a chain gang building pyramids.
Most likely he would killing sharon tate's family and friends in helter skelter, and would have made charlie manson his god. And since he looked like boy-george, he'd be child molesting, serial killing , like your dear friend william bonin..........

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#482 May 18, 2014
wese skeerd of dat wrote:
<quoted text>if King Tut really was a 100% black negro he'd have been in jail or on a chain gang building pyramids.
Lol, along with the majority white population in prison.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#484 May 18, 2014
wese skeerd of dat wrote:
<quoted text>if King Tut really was a 100% black negro he'd have been in jail or on a chain gang building pyramids.
I respect your honesty.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/6537800...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2380/185892321...

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.5... !/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/ derivatives/gallery_1200/gal-t ut1-jpg.jpg

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/f...

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5130/5274845594...

http://tinyurl.com/kr47a8m

http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/7518/sudf9...

http://gullyborg.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83421dda...
look for the golly

UK

#485 May 18, 2014
Big Knob wrote:
<quoted text> Most likely he would killing sharon tate's family and friends in helter skelter, and would have made charlie manson his god. And since he looked like boy-george, he'd be child molesting, serial killing , like your dear friend william bonin..........
but you people are denying that he wasn't a negro, so your attempted "funny" post is meaningless. You people also claim he looked like Michael Jackson, not Boy george (both poofs!) actually , Tut is in better condition than Whacko, despite being dead for 3000 years.
look for the golly

UK

#486 May 18, 2014
Obsidian2xxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol, along with the majority white population in prison.
you people will NEVER understand per capita or basic statistics and percentages, will you? Must be in your primitive Erectus DNA.
look for the golly

UK

#487 May 18, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Great job at solidifying your points with substantiated data.
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Trolls take note on what & how Almoravid crafted / presented his points. He provides both the postulation and the reference point.
you mean how he cut and pasted them. Must be a good prison library where he is.
Anonymous

Lansing, IL

#488 May 18, 2014
look for the golly wrote:
<quoted text>you mean how he cut and pasted them. Must be a good prison library where he is.
where's your data?.

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