King Tut's DNA Results
Big Knob

United States

#35 May 12, 2014
Question, how come Alexander the Great dont look like a nordic nothern european, but instead looks more like an arab, or hindu indian, or afghan, or a dark persian, and how come he's not blond n blue, with pink skin..........was he eurasian, and how did eurasians, become nordic aryan europeans, when they have olive skin, dark hair and dark eyes, thats not recessive......is it because of western scholars?
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#36 May 12, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>Whities were running around ancient Egypt and one even built the Sphinx:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankhhaf
Racist B*tch I didnt say that Egypt wasnt black, I said they were MULTI-RACIAL! THE MAJORITY OF EGYPTIANS AT THE TIME OF THE PYRAMIDS WERE MIXED RACE, EURASIANS/EGYPTIANS!
LOL this one is retarded!

let's review the facts.

quote:
"Analysis of Predinastic skeletal material showed tropical African elements in the population of the earliest populations of the earliest Badarian culture" [...]
--Frank Yurco

quote:
Little change in body shape was found through time, suggesting that all body segments were varying in size in response to environmental and social conditions. The change found in body plan is suggested to be the result of the later groups having a more tropical (Nilotic) form than the preceding populations.
--Sonia R. Zakrzewski, American Journal of&#65279; Physical Anthropology
Volume 121, Issue 3, pages 219–229, July 2003

quote:
The results indicate overall population continuity over the Predynastic and early Dynastic, and high levels of genetic heterogeneity, thereby suggesting that state formation occurred as a mainly indigenous process. Nevertheless, significant differences were found in morphology between both geographically-pooled and cemetery-specific temporal groups, indicating that some migration occurred along the Egyptian Nile Valley over the periods&time; studied.
--Am J Phys Anthropol, 2007.

quote:
Northern Egyptians group with Africans: QUOTE – Smith 2002: "Limb length proportions in males from Maadi and Merimde group them with African rather than European populations. Mean femur length in males from Maadi was similar to that recorded at Byblos and the early Bronze Age male from Kabri, but mean tibia length in Maadi males was 6.9cm longer than that at Byblos. At Merimde both bones were longer than at the other sites shown, but again, the tibia was longer proportionate to femurs than at Byblos (Fig 6.2), reinforcing the impression of an African rather than Levantine affinity.“
-- Smith, P.(2002) The palaeo-biological evidence for admix.. In: Egypt & the Levant.. Leicester Univ. 118-28

quote:
semi-tropical/arid tropic zones, show clear limb proportion characteristics of tropically adapted people, and MORE closely resemble other tropically adapted Africans on the continent, than Europeans or Middle Easterners.(Raxter and Ruff 2008, Zakrewski 2003, 2007; Holliday et al, 2003, Kemp, 2005) 3) Undermining claims of cold-climate or skin color primacy for civilization, the great ancient Nile Valley civilization arose from the 'darker' more tropical south, NOT the cold climate or cool climate Mediterranean, Europe or Asia.
--(Clark, 1982; Shaw 1976, 2003; Bard, 2004; Vogel, 1997; Kemp 2005)

quote:
African peoples are the most diverse in the world whether analyzed by DNA or skeletal or cranial methods. The peoples of the Nile Valley vary but they are still related. The people most related ethnically to the ancient Egyptians are other Africans like Nubians not cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or Asiatics.(Keita 1996; Rethelford, 2001; Bianchi 2004, Yurco 1989; Godde 2009)
quote:
"The Lower Egyptian cultures in the fifth and fourth millennia are marked by an architecture of ovoid or circular huts (pl. 1:8) made of light material (mud and reeds), rather close in aspect to the traditional architecture of sub-Saharan Africa."
--Olin and Blin 2003
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#37 May 12, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>STUPID LOW IQ IDIOT! If African Americans keep making babies with white Americans YOU will eventually disappear! The larger population will swallow up the smaller population FACT! There will be millions of white Americans who do not make babies with AA people and they will stay white while AA will disappear!
I advice you to look up Mendel's Law!

Thou, I doubt you will understand any of it.
Bigsmoke

Oxford, UK

#38 May 12, 2014
DNA can't tell one what their race is, society & individuals do, so this thread is a fail.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#39 May 12, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>NO ONE KNOWS WHO THE SPHINX IS!
WHITE MAN BUILDS SPHINX:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankhhaf
YOUR LINK IS HORRIBLY OUTDATED!
Egypt at the time of the PYRAMIDS WAS MULTI-RACIAL> There were WHITE BLUE EYED CAUCASIANS LIVING IN EGYPT whether you like it or NOT!
www.atlanteangardens.blogspot.com/2014/03/fac...
Those statues don't have blue eyes. Have you actually seen these statues in real life?LOL

Not is Ankhhaf white.

I advice you to look up his phylogenetic.(Family members).LOL

PS Ankhhaf his "head" was found separate from the "body" by the way.

Now, explain how it is possible what you claim, when Ancient Egyptians are found as tropical adapted in body positions and limb ratio, while your people are cold adapted in body portions and limb ratio.

Have you actually ever seen crania and postcrania? SMH

quote:
What we can say, however, is that in the Holocene, humans from southwest Asia do not exhibit tropically adapted body shape (Crognier 1981; Eveleth and Tanner 1976; Schreider 1975).... "
---Trenton Holliday (2000) Evolution at the
Crossroads: Modern Human Emergence in Western
Asia. American Anthropologist. New Series, Vol. 102, No. 1, 54-68

quote:
In fact, in terms of body shape, the European and the Inuit samples tend to be cold-adapted and tend to be separated in multivariate space from the more tropically adapted Africans, especially those groups from south of the Sahara.
--Holliday TW, Hilton CE.
Body proportions of circumpolar peoples as evidenced from skeletal data: Ipiutak and Tigara (Point Hope) versus Kodiak Island Inuit.

quote:
Migration within a larger time framework took place ca. 15,000--18,000 BP, when the first Asian populations crossed the Bering Strait, ultimately founding the modern Amerindian population. Despite having as much as 18,000 years of selection in environments as diverse as those found in the Old World, body mass and proportion clines in the Americas are less steep than those in the Old World (Newman, 1953; Roberts, 1978). In fact, as Hulse (1960) pointed out, Amerindians, even in the tropics, tend to possess some ''arctic'' adaptations. Thus he concluded that it must take more than 15,000 years for modern humans to fully adapt to a new environment (see also Trinkaus, 1992). This suggests that body proportions tend not to be very plastic under natural conditions, and that selective rates on body shape are such that evolution in these features is long-term."
-- Holliday T.(1997). Body proportions
in Late Pleistocene Europe and modern
human origins. Jrnl Hum Evo. 32:423-447

quote:
Late Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic Europeans should not exhibit tropically-adapted limb proportions, since, even assuming replacement, their ancestors had experienced cold stress in glacial Europe for at least 12 millennia.[...] Additionally, brachial and crural indices do not appear to be a good measure of overall limb length, and thus, while the Late Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic humans have significantly higher (i.e., tropically-adapted) brachial and crural indices than do recent Europeans, they also have shorter (i.e., cold-adapted) limbs.[...] The somewhat paradoxical retention of "tropical" indices in the context of more "cold-adapted" limb length is best explained as evidence for Replacement in the European Late Pleistocene, followed by gradual cold adaptation in glacial Europe.
--Holliday TW
J Hum Evol. 1999 May;36(5):549-66.
Brachial and crural indices of European late Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic humans.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#40 May 12, 2014
Big Knob wrote:
They the europeans went over to africa and saw those monuments and said that there's no way that these people are capable of this level of achievement, so we'll paint them white, like we did Jesus, Moses, now King Tut has been rescued from caucasian racial engineering, which classifies non white people as white, according to western scholarship.........lol
No kidding,

http://kikarrambam.files.wordpress.com/2014/0...

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iabyjokN5OE/TaWMLFz...

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w164/Mysti...

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5130/5274845594...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4038/452326674...

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae70/KING1...

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#41 May 12, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>NO ONE KNOWS WHO THE SPHINX IS!
WHITE MAN BUILDS SPHINX:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankhhaf
YOUR LINK IS HORRIBLY OUTDATED!
Egypt at the time of the PYRAMIDS WAS MULTI-RACIAL> There were WHITE BLUE EYED CAUCASIANS LIVING IN EGYPT whether you like it or NOT!
www.atlanteangardens.blogspot.com/2014/03/fac...
I tend to think Egypt has always been what we call multi-racial. But "multi-racial" always include very dark to black, plus some brown. In later dynasties it would include a small percentage of whites as a result of Greek invasion. But it is always wrong to claim that Egypt was ever predominantly white. It is now and always have been predominantly dark brown which means African. Today, the vast majority of Egypt8ian have obvious African features. And you have to keep in mind that Islamic cultures and African cultures do not focus on race as people in the west do. When an Egyptian or Muslim see a black and light brown person standing next to each other, he does not see a racial difference as westerners tend to do. They are all Egyptian brothers regardless to skin color.

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#42 May 12, 2014
BMT

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#43 May 12, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
<quoted text>
I tend to think Egypt has always been what we call multi-racial. But "multi-racial" always include very dark to black, plus some brown. In later dynasties it would include a small percentage of whites as a result of Greek invasion. But it is always wrong to claim that Egypt was ever predominantly white. It is now and always have been predominantly dark brown which means African. Today, the vast majority of Egypt8ian have obvious African features. And you have to keep in mind that Islamic cultures and African cultures do not focus on race as people in the west do. When an Egyptian or Muslim see a black and light brown person standing next to each other, he does not see a racial difference as westerners tend to do. They are all Egyptian brothers regardless to skin color.
Are you sure ancient Egypt were Arab muslims?^_^

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#44 May 12, 2014
I think Hispanics are similar for the most part. Black people and brown people do not see much difference between each other. It is the whites who stand out most.

I was sitting in a Mexican restaurant yesterday. Everybody seemed to blend in. The ladies and girls were all extremely pretty and some of them very beautiful. When 4 white girls walked in it was hard to ignore them. They were quite ugly to put it mildly. Their features made me think of the way whites look generally. So I started to notice all day and into today. White women are not pretty compared to Latinas. They just are not. So, it mystifies me why whites would invent racism. It makes them look bad and everybody else look good, at least in my eyes.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#45 May 12, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>ABSOLUTELTY CORRECT SIR! King Tut looked nothing like a Ngroid but more like a North African!
Why is it you keep talking as if you are suppose to know what the average Northwest of Northeast African looks like? For this purpose I'll stick to Northeast Africa.

http://www.brooklynmuseum.org/opencollection/...

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5275/5859873715...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2380/185892321...

http://imageshack.us/m/638/2041/egypt3l.jpg

http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/egyptclass/EAm...

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae70/KING1...

From what you type it is 100% certain that you have never been there ever in you entire pathetic life. But you are laughable material thou.

This girl is Egyptian and that is what the average girl looks like in Egypt.

youtube.com/watch...

This woman is Egyptian and this is what the average Egyptian woman looks like in Egypt.

youtube.com/watch...

Look Berbers:

youtube.com/watch...
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#46 May 12, 2014
Garrig wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you know that in Roman times portriats were made of various Egyptian individuals so we can see what they looked like.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
http://ids.lib.harvard.edu/ids/view/43182187...
The truth is out there
Why do you think you are teaching me something?LOL

Romans were mainly in the North btw. The North has adopted/ absorbed many foreigners.

After Romans came Arabs and then Ottoman. So what is it you're implying?

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#47 May 12, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
I think Hispanics are similar for the most part. Black people and brown people do not see much difference between each other. It is the whites who stand out most.
I was sitting in a Mexican restaurant yesterday. Everybody seemed to blend in. The ladies and girls were all extremely pretty and some of them very beautiful. When 4 white girls walked in it was hard to ignore them. They were quite ugly to put it mildly. Their features made me think of the way whites look generally. So I started to notice all day and into today. White women are not pretty compared to Latinas. They just are not. So, it mystifies me why whites would invent racism. It makes them look bad and everybody else look good, at least in my eyes.
I agree with much of what you said in the post before this one. But this here is racist and ignorant..calling the white girsl ugly??
I guess you don't know that first of all Mexicans do not represent all Hispanic people and that there is diversity among Mexicans. If you go to the parts of Mexico City where the rich people live you will find them to be very "White" looking. Just take a look Mexican television to see what many of their celebrities look like. Don't forget Hispanics started in Europe, Spain.

“Try harder :)”

Level 8

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#48 May 12, 2014
Garrig wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you know that in Roman times portriats were made of various Egyptian individuals so we can see what they looked like.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
http://ids.lib.harvard.edu/ids/view/43182187...
The truth is out there
Aye...I'll never understand why people who argue for a non-African Ancient Egypt always use these portraits. For there long after the dynastic period of Ancient Egypt and two...

Susan Walker states specifically that the people of the Fayum at that time concerned with these portraits identified themselves as Greeks:

"these portraits were popular among nineteenth and early twentieth century collectors and this had a tendency to at first isolate them from their funerary contexts. They were studied by classicists and art historians who, basing their conclusions on details in the paintings along, such as hairstyles, jewelry and costume, identified the portraits as being those of Greek or Roman settlers who had adopted Egyptian burial customs."
Source:
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/masks...

"The ekphora is a Greek rite, and in many respects the portraits reflect an interest in Greek culture. In the Fayum it is likely that the portraits represent members of a group of mercenaries who had fought for Alexander and the early Ptolemies and were granted land after the Fayum had been drained for agricultural use in the early years of ptolemic rule."
Ancient Faces: Mummy Portraits from Roman Egypt By Susan Walker, PP24..

"The mummy, or Fayum, portraits are Egyptian only in that they are associated with essentially Egyptian burial customs. Painted in an encaustic technique, they represent mostly Greek inhabitants of Egypt."
- Britannica (2007)

They're NOT indigenous Egyptians...But Greeks.

Also...
"The Fayum, a flourishing metropolitan community in ancient Egypt, consisted of Greeks, Egyptians, Syrians, Libyans, and others. A significant Greek population had settled in Egypt following its conquest by Alexander, eventually adopting the customs of the Egyptians. This included mummifying their dead. A portrait of the deceased, painted either in the prime of life or after death, was placed over the person's mummy as a memorial."
Source:
http://www.encaustic.ca/html/history.html
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#49 May 12, 2014
Big Knob wrote:
<quoted text>They came to egypt on a yellow submarine, then colonized penny lane, raped and murderd michelle while saying my bell, then took off on a pale horse called paper back writer, then re-wrote history all across the universe, and while only dreaming said that these people were white, like, mary & joseph, jesus, moses, his ethiopian wife, the isrealites, LOL
In the paplus of hunefer the egyptians said: we came from the foot hill valley, at the begging of the wadi, near the mountain of the moon where God Hapi dwells, now IQ dude where does the nile river begin, and where is the mountain of the moon? In what country,? On what Continent? And what people originated there?........and who did they refer to as the foreigners, in their writings, those from the outside, or those from within the continent..........be honest.
As funny as it sounds, it actually really happened under the ruling and colonization of the Romans, guided by Alexander.

Quote:
During the ritual a living falcon was crowned king, symbolizing the renewal of Egyptian kingship. The ritual is one of the most elaborate temple rituals known of the Ptolemaic and Roman periods and it reflects a new attitude to the representation of kingship and royal symbolism, in which the traditional religious role of the pharaoh was replaced by other symbols
--Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, SMES, Egyptology
http://www.hum.leiden.edu/lias/organisation/e...

By the way, another perfect example of hyper-dolichocephaly among Egyptians is King Tut.

http://www.perceptions.couk.com/imgs/scan-mum...

These detailed traits are way too specific in African morphology. That it makes racist whites seem delusional.

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#50 May 12, 2014
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you think you are teaching me something?LOL
Romans were mainly in the North btw. The North has adopted/ absorbed many foreigners.
After Romans came Arabs and then Ottoman. So what is it you're implying?
That you are a dummy.

Many of y'all say the Egyptians became lighter becasue of the Arab invasions but when we roll back the clock to Roman times they still look the same. What did the romans f-ck all the Northern Egyptians en masse?? Get real dude. White made jamiaca a clolony and ruled over it for along time and most of tye people there are still very Black cuz according to you all Black traits are domiant and not easily diluted. So then maybe the Egyptians weren't so Black in the first place.

Here is an Egyptian from about 1500 B.C

http://www.zonein.com.au/history/egypt/the_sc...

Here is one from 20 A.D.

http://www.getty.edu/art/collections/images/m...

Not much difference.

Here is a pharoah and his wife from the old kingdom

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/...
Bigsmoke

Oxford, UK

#51 May 12, 2014
I don't understand the obsession some people have with certain civilizations, racial composition. Unless one is trying to prove ancient Egyptians weren't human or something, I don't see why there needs to be a discussion.

It was a civilization, something unique to humanity.

The fact that you can all sit here, regardless of your racial background and converse using complex equipment shows you were humans like those ancient Egyptians. End of.
Masud_S_Hoghughi __

Mesquite, NV

#52 May 12, 2014
Bigsmoke wrote:
I don't understand the obsession some people have with certain civilizations, racial composition. Unless one is trying to prove ancient Egyptians weren't human or something, I don't see why there needs to be a discussion.
It was a civilization, something unique to humanity.
The fact that you can all sit here, regardless of your racial background and converse using complex equipment shows you were humans like those ancient Egyptians. End of.
...it matters becoz many blak kneegros r trying to claim this as their own when in fact kneegros r incapable of building or maintaining advanced civilizations..........
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#53 May 12, 2014
Garrig wrote:
<quoted text>
That you are a dummy.
Many of y'all say the Egyptians became lighter becasue of the Arab invasions but when we roll back the clock to Roman times they still look the same. What did the romans f-ck all the Northern Egyptians en masse?? Get real dude. White made jamiaca a clolony and ruled over it for along time and most of tye people there are still very Black cuz according to you all Black traits are domiant and not easily diluted. So then maybe the Egyptians weren't so Black in the first place.
Here is an Egyptian from about 1500 B.C
http://www.zonein.com.au/history/egypt/the_sc...
Here is one from 20 A.D.
http://www.getty.edu/art/collections/images/m...
Not much difference.
Here is a pharoah and his wife from the old kingdom
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/...
I have no idea what you're trying to imply? Perhaps it's color complexion? LOL

No one said that light color complexion didn't exist, or did we? LOL

But from several melanin tests we know that they were African in origin, so there you go...off with your witty BS. Also in body positions and limb ratio they were found to cluster with other Africans.


Fact of the matter is that you will find light complexion in the North (Lower Egypt) and darker complexion in the South.

I advice you not to start a pic spam contest, you'll be smacked up site down like there is no tomorrow.

See, if you use logic, you'll notice that they have the same features. Light skinned or dark skinned.LOL

http://tinyurl.com/la8m8xt

http://picturestack.com/140/262/H03Picture9SD...

http://picturestack.com/140/262/H03Picture9SD...

And there is nothing odd about these girls.

http://medias.photodeck.com/f70196ec-6208-11e...

Nor about her:

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4124/4978278296...

Unfortunately for you lighter skin is found in several places within Africa as well.

http://picturestack.com/533/221/fnEPicture10c...

http://picturestack.com/533/221/pEXPicture9s7...

“Try harder :)”

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#54 May 12, 2014
Masud_S_Hoghughi__ wrote:
<quoted text>...it matters becoz many blak kneegros r trying to claim this as their own when in fact kneegros r incapable of building or maintaining advanced civilizations..........
Is that so?

Other historians point to the impact of Malian gold
in economic development of the Mediterranean:

"The most important foundation of Malian power,
however, was control of gold, and it is as a man
of gold that Mansa Musa is still remembered. His story
is quite important to world economic history, since
the supply of gold he commanded played a crucial role
in the economic growth of the Mediterranean."
--Merry E. Wiesner 2002. Discovering the Global Past

Those "incapable kneegros" actually financed the European Renaissance. Thus getting Europe out of the dark ages.

Meanwhile...

".. there was no English commercial revolution, no development of banks and credit facilities that can be claimed for thirteenth-century Italy. One consequence of this relative backwardness was that in the thirteenth century, an increasing proportion of England's foreign trade came to be in Italian hands.. In a very real sense late thirteenth-century England was being treated as a partially developed economy. Much of its import-export business was handled by foreigners (Gascons and Flemings as well as Italians. Its main exports were aw materials - wool and grain- rather than manufactured goods, There had been, in other words, no industrial revolution."

.. Moreover, despite the claims sometimes made for the cloth-fulling mill, there were no significant advances in industrial technology. Nor was there anything to compare with the highly capitalized development of the Flemish cloth industry in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries."

"..Above all, there was no agricultural revolution.. the technical limitations under which they worked meant no significant increase in yields was possible, neither from sheep in terms of weight of fleece, nor from seed in terms of yield of grain. Though the use of the horse as a draught animal was spreading, this was of marginal importance.."

".. Thus in many respect England remained a stagnant economy. It can indeed be argued that by comparison with some of its neighbors, especially Flanders and Italy, England was less advanced in the thirteenth century than it had been in the eleventh.. In twelfth and thirteenth-century England, people felt they lived in a country which was economically advanced by comparison with the lands of their Celtic neighbours."

--John Gillingham, Ralph Alan Griffiths. 2002. Medieval Britain: a very short introduction.

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