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“Sun of Man”

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#145 Jun 10, 2011
African & Native-Ngroid presence
in ancient America are documented in:

-They Came Before Columbus, by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima

-The African Presence in Early America, by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima

-Dawn Voyage, The Black Discovery of America, by Michael Bradley

-Ancient Egyptians in Middle & South America, by R. A. Jairazbhoy

-Ancient Egypt, Mexico & the United States, by R. A. Jairazbhoy
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#147 Jun 10, 2011
There are those Europeans or white Yanks who've claimed that the NE tribes, especially the Iroquois, were related to NW Europeans, especially Gaels. They had sites where they thought "runes" had been found carved into rocks, they saw similarities between the religious rituals of Iroquois and pagan Celts, and so on.

NONE of this has been established with any reliable evidence. Likewise the hypothesis of pre-Columbian African presence in America remains without evidence.

There are 3 proven pre-Columbian contacts, all by peoples known to have a sophisticated seafaring tradition: Chinese, Polynesian and Norse. West Africans did not have such a tradition. Africans did, but in Egypt and East Africa, and they were not focused on the Atlantic Ocean.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#148 Jun 10, 2011
Ra Kheper Heru wrote:
Did Native American tribes help slaves escape or were Americans with African ancestry already part of the Native American Nations?
According to the figures above, many more slaving companies would have to be in the business of human trafficking annually to come up with the numbers of slaves actually transported, but the published material lists only three (3) major companies that dealt in the slave trade and were given a 31 year monopoly by the British Government.
The Royal Adventurer later was named the Royal African Company, so it was one in the same company. Independent companies engaged in slave trade, but there were only three (3) main companies engaged in human trafficking. The Guinea Company--at its height--had 15 ships from 1618 - 1650. The Guinea Company also dealt in gold, dyes, and other things other than just the human trafficking of slaves. British, French, Dutch, and Danish participated in human trafficking. Statistics have not taken into consideration the Portuguese ships that sailed at the time, but from what is out there, the Portuguese and Spanish transported 81,000 slaves to the Americas. Following is a table from "Slave Statistics" by Hugh Thomas published in 1997 by Simon and Schuster:
After 20 years the Royal Adventurer--with its 15 ships had transported between 90,000 and 100,000 slaves. That is a long ways from 15,000,000 to 20,000,000 slaves who were supposedly brought to the Americas. Doesn’t that leave a little over 14,000,000 to 19,000,000 people not accounted for—What’s up with that? The calculated median of 15 and 20 million would be 17.5 million. Divide it by 400 people—the largest slave vessels. That comes out to 43,750 trips. Can you show me a record where this many trips occurred, or the number of trips calculated by the so-called experts?(Figures exist of 27,000 - 35,000 voyages). The same thing happened with the holocaust in Germany during World War II. Six million people were supposedly killed, but there are not that many names referenced who died totaling six million.
The statistics state only .05% or 1/2 of 1% of all Indigenous people of North and South America are in existence as a result of Christopher Columbus and his European travelers' conquests. Ninety-five (95%) percent were massacred by Columbus and his European crews shortly after 1492. Around 1900, it was thought Native Americans were on the brink of extinction with only 250,000 left.
Native Americans had African slaves themselves, you dummy.


"Cherokees accused of racist plot as descendants of black slaves are cast out.
Cherokees voted yesterday to expel descendants of black slaves they once owned, a move that has exposed the unsavoury role played by some Native Americans during the Civil War and renewed accusations of racism against the tribe.

Members of the Cherokee Nation, the second largest Native American tribe, voted by 77 per cent to 23 in a special election to amend their constitution and limit citizenship to those listed as “Cherokee by blood”.

The move stripped tribal membership from freedmen – those descended from slaves.

Supporters say that it was a long-overdue move by Cherokees to determine their own tribal make-up. Freedmen were granted full tribal membership under an 1866 treaty that the tribe was essentially forced to sign with the US Government after the Civil War ended.

The vote has reopened a lesser-known chapter in Native American history – the fact that some of the country’s largest tribes sided with the Confederacy during the Civil War – and the intra-tribal racial tensions that have persisted since Emancipation.

Cherokees, Choctaws, Chicksaws, Creeks and Seminoles were known as the Five Civilised Tribes because they adopted many of the ways of the Confederate South, including the ownership of black slaves."
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#149 Jun 10, 2011
Ra Kheper Heru wrote:
African & Native-Ngroid presence
in ancient America are documented in:
-They Came Before Columbus, by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima
-The African Presence in Early America, by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima
-Dawn Voyage, The Black Discovery of America, by Michael Bradley
-Ancient Egyptians in Middle & South America, by R. A. Jairazbhoy
-Ancient Egypt, Mexico & the United States, by R. A. Jairazbhoy
There was no African presence in the ancient Americas. Deal with it and stop trying to steal the history and identity that you people have no claim to.

"All "African" Y data in the New World that I have seen is consistent with post-European contact rather then the fanciful leap made by others." ~ Underhill, P. A

A pre-Columbian Y chromosome-specific transition and its implications for human evolutionary history.
Underhill PA, Jin L, Zemans R, Oefner PJ, Cavalli-Sforza LL.
SourceDepartment of Genetic, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA.

Abstract
A polymorphic C-->T transition located on the human Y chromosome was found by the systematic comparative sequencing of Y-specific sequence-tagged sites by denaturing high-performance liquid chromatography. The results of genotyping representative global indigenous populations indicate that the locus is polymorphic exclusively within the Western Hemisphere. The pre-Columbian T allele occurs at > 90% frequency within the native South and Central American populations examined, while its occurrence in North America is approximately 50%. Concomitant genotyping at the polymorphic tetranucleotide microsatellite DYS19 locus revealed that the C-->T mutation displayed significant linkage disequilibrium with the 186-bp allele. The data suggest a single origin of linguistically diverse native Americans with subsequent haplotype differentiation within radiating indigenous populations as well as --->POST<----Columbian European and African gene flow. The mutation may have originated either in North America at a very early time during the expansion or before it, in the ancestral population(s) from which all Americans may have originated. The analysis of linkage of the DYS199 and the DYS19 tetranucleotide loci suggests that the C-->T mutation may have occurred around 30,000 years ago. We estimate the nucleotide diversity over 4.2 kb of the nonrecombining portion of the Y chromosome to be 0.00014. compared to autosomes, the majority of variation is due to the smaller effective population size of the Y chromosome rather than selective sweeps. There begins to emerge a pattern of pronounced geographical localization of Y-specific nucleotide substitution polymorphisms.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8552603

Like I said no African or European genes in pre-Columbian America.

“Sun of Man”

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#150 Jun 10, 2011
Buttock Clencher wrote:
<quoted text>
Rather more obviously you were at a point where you could no longer defend your argument so here you go repeating yourself like a kid in a schoolyard.
You haven't provided a single piece of evidence or even a reasoned argument as to how or why the Olmecs could be Africans, whereas plenty of evidence and reasoned arguments have been presented which indicate otherwise. You merely respond by repeating the phrase ' they were black', that isn't an argument, it's repetition.
Key points which you have been unable to address:
1: Vast time difference (approx 2500 years) between construction of the Egyptian/Mayan pyramids.
2: Different methods of construction, any resemblance is superficial.
3: Different function, Egyptian pyramids were tombs for the king and a gate to the afterlife, Mayan were part of a human sacrifice ritual.
4: Olmec heads do not bear any resemblance to Africa's own art (Benin bronzes used as a perfect example) or Africans. Different facial structure bears more resemblance to Polynesians.
5: No physical evidence, DNA or archaeological, of any prehistoric trade or travel between Africa and South America.
6: You complete inability to grasp accurate timescales for human evolution and cultural development, or immense geological time frames.
7: The fact that your own head is full of shit.
http://essaysbyekowa.com/olmecs.htm
The Olmecs practiced a religion and astronomical sciences identical to those practiced by Africans in the Mali region and Nyjeria today. The Olmecs studied the Venus Complex in astronomy. Today, the Ono and Bambara who are famous sea and river travelers have studied that same complex for thousands of years. In fact, another group the Dogon is well known for their tracking and mapping of the Sirius star system and their accurate results.

Annu/Twa(now errioniously labled "pygmies")were the originators of predynastic khamitic/egyptian civilization and built the holy city of Annu(biblical On,Greek Heliopolis).These same Annu later migrated to become the Ta-Annu(Taino so called indian)of the West Indies/carribean-Queen Afua(book-Sacred Women)

The ORIGINAL boricuas/puerto ricans /Quisqueyanos/Dominicans etc are descendant of Tainos/Arawaks. These people are the ancient Mukarribs(carrib)/Sabeans/Mura kushites. However, groups of hybrid Moors were also marooned there after their fall in Andalusia/spain. Also former caucasoid slaves that called themselves 'Spaniards' continued the revolt on this side of the Atlantic as well.

“Sun of Man”

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Since: Feb 11

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#151 Jun 10, 2011
Again..

Did Native American tribes help slaves escape or were Americans with African ancestry already part of the Native American Nations?

According to the figures above, many more slaving companies would have to be in the business of human trafficking annually to come up with the numbers of slaves actually transported, but the published material lists only three (3) major companies that dealt in the slave trade and were given a 31 year monopoly by the British Government.

The Royal Adventurer later was named the Royal African Company, so it was one in the same company. Independent companies engaged in slave trade, but there were only three (3) main companies engaged in human trafficking. The Guinea Company--at its height--had 15 ships from 1618 - 1650. The Guinea Company also dealt in gold, dyes, and other things other than just the human trafficking of slaves. British, French, Dutch, and Danish participated in human trafficking. Statistics have not taken into consideration the Portuguese ships that sailed at the time, but from what is out there, the Portuguese and Spanish transported 81,000 slaves to the Americas. Following is a table from "Slave Statistics" by Hugh Thomas published in 1997 by Simon and Schuster:
After 20 years the Royal Adventurer--with its 15 ships had transported between 90,000 and 100,000 slaves. That is a long ways from 15,000,000 to 20,000,000 slaves who were supposedly brought to the Americas. Doesn’t that leave a little over 14,000,000 to 19,000,000 people not accounted for—What’s up with that? The calculated median of 15 and 20 million would be 17.5 million. Divide it by 400 people—the largest slave vessels. That comes out to 43,750 trips. Can you show me a record where this many trips occurred, or the number of trips calculated by the so-called experts?(Figures exist of 27,000 - 35,000 voyages). The same thing happened with the holocaust in Germany during World War II. Six million people were supposedly killed, but there are not that many names referenced who died totaling six million.

The statistics state only .05% or 1/2 of 1% of all Indigenous people of North and South America are in existence as a result of Christopher Columbus and his European travelers' conquests. Ninety-five (95%) percent were massacred by Columbus and his European crews shortly after 1492. Around 1900, it was thought Native Americans were on the brink of extinction with only 250,000 left.
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#152 Jun 10, 2011
Those Africans in ancient America had so much melanin, they didn't NEED genes, that's right, they original African American man existed on pure sunlight and melanin. So don't look for evidence with your limited pineally-stagnant Eurocentric science, because you won't find it.

“Sun of Man”

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#153 Jun 10, 2011
"Olmec origins are in West Africa and Egypt-Nubia. Their arrival goes back before 3000 years B.C., when an Egyptian-Nubian calendar is introduced to Mexico . The Mende or Shi People form the dominant language and culture in Olmec Mexico. Their alphabet, language and religion dominates Olmec Mexico".--Dr. Clyde Winters

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#154 Jun 10, 2011
Ra Kheper Heru wrote:
African & Native-Ngroid presence
in ancient America are documented in:
-They Came Before Columbus, by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima
-The African Presence in Early America, by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima
-Dawn Voyage, The Black Discovery of America, by Michael Bradley
-Ancient Egyptians in Middle & South America, by R. A. Jairazbhoy
-Ancient Egypt, Mexico & the United States, by R. A. Jairazbhoy
You need to stop

Even if they were black, the would be more of negrito/aborigene/melanesian type
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#155 Jun 10, 2011
Ra Kheper Heru wrote:
Fact is,everywere on this planet the indiginous people look like us.These paleskins live off of labling and dividing us into groups THEY want us to accept.
The oldest bones in America is that of a so-called black(moorish)women.
http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris...
The Japan Times
September 22, 1999
REDISCOVERED (INDIGENOUS MOORS) IN BRAZILIAN MUSEUM
Skull alters theory on colonization of Americas
RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) Anthropologists unveiled the oldest known human fossil from the Americas on Monday, a woman’s skull with African features that could revolutionize theories about the continent’s early inhabitants.
Philipine abORIGINAL
http://www.treklens.com/gallery/Asia/Philippi...
India
http://kopjik.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/boa...
Thailand
http://www.andaman.org/BOOK/chapter36/text36....
Numbskull those bones were proven to be of people related to PACIFIC ISLANDERS not to any 'Africans'. Its an Australoid skull. You Afrocentrists would kill to lay claim to anything outside of sub-Saharan Africa.

Read the actual study, no where does any of its authors associate the remains with West Africans. They simply state that the change from the generalized features to the pres of Paleo-Americans to the modern Native American groups. Paleo-American crania posses great variation from Kennewick Man to the ones with a more Melano-Austro appearance in South America, none of which are related to any 'Africans'.
Buttock Clencher

Southsea, UK

#156 Jun 10, 2011
rameses326 wrote:
<quoted text>Actually we provided copious evidence, which was substatiated by the fact that the language deciphered on olmec monuments is identical to a west African language, but keep living in denial, buddy http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews...
The website is exactly like your comments, plenty of repetitive claims and opinions but absolutely no evidence whatsoever, nothing, there's no links to these 'recent discoveries' which 'prove' all this bollocks, if you hadn't noticed, because they don't exist.

What's funny is the idiot uses comparative images of Benin bronzes which clearly demonstrate how unlike the Olmec heads are to anything or anyone from Africa.

It's a persons opinion on their home-made website, not an accredited academic site linked to any historical research. I can't believe this is all you have, because there isn't anything to it, you are passing off some pile of shit that someone has just made up as your primary source of reference. But that's the danger when idiots like you have access to the internet, you'll believe anything without question when it suits you.

If this was a court of adjudication there would be no means for you to pursue your case/argument because you have no evidence, it falls down at the first examination. You shithead.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#157 Jun 10, 2011
Ra Kheper Heru wrote:
<quoted text>
http://essaysbyekowa.com/olmecs.htm
The Olmecs practiced a religion and astronomical sciences identical to those practiced by Africans in the Mali region and Nyjeria today. The Olmecs studied the Venus Complex in astronomy. Today, the Ono and Bambara who are famous sea and river travelers have studied that same complex for thousands of years. In fact, another group the Dogon is well known for their tracking and mapping of the Sirius star system and their accurate results.
Annu/Twa(now errioniously labled "pygmies")were the originators of predynastic khamitic/egyptian civilization and built the holy city of Annu(biblical On,Greek Heliopolis).These same Annu later migrated to become the Ta-Annu(Taino so called indian)of the West Indies/carribean-Queen Afua(book-Sacred Women)
The ORIGINAL boricuas/puerto ricans /Quisqueyanos/Dominicans etc are descendant of Tainos/Arawaks. These people are the ancient Mukarribs(carrib)/Sabeans/Mura kushites. However, groups of hybrid Moors were also marooned there after their fall in Andalusia/spain. Also former caucasoid slaves that called themselves 'Spaniards' continued the revolt on this side of the Atlantic as well.
You continue to live in denial. Olmec didn't cluster genetically nor culturally with any 'Africans'. They looked like your typical Polynesians. I suggest you stop trying to steal cultures and people that have nothing to do with you given your origins hail from Africa and the Olmec are indigenous to the Americas.

Its people like these, from the PACIFIC who genetically cluster with indigenous people from the Americas like the Olmec and phenotypically they are similar to those Olmec statues you are trying to dubious claim as 'African' when they clearly were not.
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/tattoos/pop...
http://www.nzetc.org/etexts/BesMaor/BesMaor-0... (h280).jpg
http://www.jungny.com/Maori.boy.flax.cape.kot...

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#158 Jun 10, 2011
Jeff,what this Olmec statue head look like to you?

Dated from 1200 to 900 B.C.

http://www.werner-forman-archive.com/Image106...

No way around that.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#159 Jun 10, 2011
Ra Kheper Heru wrote:
Again..
Did Native American tribes help slaves escape or were Americans with African ancestry already part of the Native American Nations?
According to the figures above, many more slaving companies would have to be in the business of human trafficking annually to come up with the numbers of slaves actually transported, but the published material lists only three (3) major companies that dealt in the slave trade and were given a 31 year monopoly by the British Government.
The Royal Adventurer later was named the Royal African Company, so it was one in the same company. Independent companies engaged in slave trade, but there were only three (3) main companies engaged in human trafficking. The Guinea Company--at its height--had 15 ships from 1618 - 1650. The Guinea Company also dealt in gold, dyes, and other things other than just the human trafficking of slaves. British, French, Dutch, and Danish participated in human trafficking. Statistics have not taken into consideration the Portuguese ships that sailed at the time, but from what is out there, the Portuguese and Spanish transported 81,000 slaves to the Americas. Following is a table from "Slave Statistics" by Hugh Thomas published in 1997 by Simon and Schuster:
After 20 years the Royal Adventurer--with its 15 ships had transported between 90,000 and 100,000 slaves. That is a long ways from 15,000,000 to 20,000,000 slaves who were supposedly brought to the Americas. Doesn’t that leave a little over 14,000,000 to 19,000,000 people not accounted for—What’s up with that? The calculated median of 15 and 20 million would be 17.5 million. Divide it by 400 people—the largest slave vessels. That comes out to 43,750 trips. Can you show me a record where this many trips occurred, or the number of trips calculated by the so-called experts?(Figures exist of 27,000 - 35,000 voyages). The same thing happened with the holocaust in Germany during World War II. Six million people were supposedly killed, but there are not that many names referenced who died totaling six million.
The statistics state only .05% or 1/2 of 1% of all Indigenous people of North and South America are in existence as a result of Christopher Columbus and his European travelers' conquests. Ninety-five (95%) percent were massacred by Columbus and his European crews shortly after 1492. Around 1900, it was thought Native Americans were on the brink of extinction with only 250,000 left.
Native Americans had African slaves themselves, you dummy.


"Cherokees accused of racist plot as descendants of black slaves are cast out.
Cherokees voted yesterday to expel descendants of black slaves they once owned, a move that has exposed the unsavoury role played by some Native Americans during the Civil War and renewed accusations of racism against the tribe.

Members of the Cherokee Nation, the second largest Native American tribe, voted by 77 per cent to 23 in a special election to amend their constitution and limit citizenship to those listed as “Cherokee by blood”.

The move stripped tribal membership from freedmen – those descended from slaves.

Supporters say that it was a long-overdue move by Cherokees to determine their own tribal make-up. Freedmen were granted full tribal membership under an 1866 treaty that the tribe was essentially forced to sign with the US Government after the Civil War ended.

The vote has reopened a lesser-known chapter in Native American history – the fact that some of the country’s largest tribes sided with the Confederacy during the Civil War – and the intra-tribal racial tensions that have persisted since Emancipation.

Cherokees, Choctaws, Chicksaws, Creeks and Seminoles were known as the Five Civilised Tribes because they adopted many of the ways of the Confederate South, including the ownership of black slaves."

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#160 Jun 10, 2011
Ra Kheper Heru wrote:
"Olmec origins are in West Africa and Egypt-Nubia. Their arrival goes back before 3000 years B.C., when an Egyptian-Nubian calendar is introduced to Mexico . The Mende or Shi People form the dominant language and culture in Olmec Mexico. Their alphabet, language and religion dominates Olmec Mexico".--Dr. Clyde Winters
Stop drinking that koolaid shit.

OLMEC and ANCIENT EGYPTIANS were NOT related.
What are you saying? That the Mende were the Olmecs and the Ancient Egyptians?

LOOOOL. stop it already
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#161 Jun 10, 2011
Ra Kheper Heru wrote:
"Olmec origins are in West Africa and Egypt-Nubia. Their arrival goes back before 3000 years B.C., when an Egyptian-Nubian calendar is introduced to Mexico . The Mende or Shi People form the dominant language and culture in Olmec Mexico. Their alphabet, language and religion dominates Olmec Mexico".--Dr. Clyde Winters
Clyde Winters is a joke just as you are. The Olmec origins were within the Americas, they didn't cluster genetically nor culturally with any 'Africans'. Its people like these, from the PACIFIC who genetically cluster with indigenous people from the Americas like the Olmec and phenotypically they are similar to those Olmec statues you are trying to dubious claim as 'African' when they clearly were not.
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/tattoos/pop...
http://www.nzetc.org/etexts/BesMaor/BesMaor-0... (h280).jpg
http://www.jungny.com/Maori.boy.flax.cape.kot...

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#162 Jun 10, 2011
Ra Kheper Heru wrote:
Fact is,everywere on this planet the indiginous people look like us.These paleskins live off of labling and dividing us into groups THEY want us to accept.
The oldest bones in America is that of a so-called black(moorish)women.
http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris...
The Japan Times
September 22, 1999
REDISCOVERED (INDIGENOUS MOORS) IN BRAZILIAN MUSEUM
Skull alters theory on colonization of Americas
RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) Anthropologists unveiled the oldest known human fossil from the Americas on Monday, a woman’s skull with African features that could revolutionize theories about the continent’s early inhabitants.
Philipine abORIGINAL
http://www.treklens.com/gallery/Asia/Philippi...
India
http://kopjik.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/boa...
Thailand
http://www.andaman.org/BOOK/chapter36/text36....
LOL--keep smashing these crakers.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#163 Jun 10, 2011
Ra Kheper Heru wrote:
Jeff,what this Olmec statue head look like to you?
Dated from 1200 to 900 B.C.
http://www.werner-forman-archive.com/Image106...
No way around that.
That's not 'West African', you nimwit. Its people like these, from the PACIFIC who genetically and phenotypically cluster with indigenous people from the Americas like the Olmec, they are similar to those Olmec statues you are trying to dubious claim as 'African' when they clearly were not.
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/tattoos/pop...
http://www.nzetc.org/etexts/BesMaor/BesMaor-0... (h280).jpg
http://www.jungny.com/Maori.boy.flax.cape.kot...

“Sun of Man”

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#164 Jun 10, 2011
http://www.suzar.com/BOTW/BOTW-ch5d-page67.ht...

" Ancient American Magazine (Issue 17) reported: "Evidence for black-skinned natives in the Americas long before the arrival of Columbus is abundant. From the distinctly ngroid features of colossal Olmec sculpted heads and a pre-Aztec obsidian bowl being upheld by a figure with unmistakably black characteristics, to the bones of ngroid persons excavated from a 2,000 year-old mound in northern Wisconsin, a wealth of material exists to establish the certainty of non-White, non-Indian population living in pre-Columbian America along with these other groups."

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#165 Jun 10, 2011
Ra Kheper Heru wrote:
Jeff,what this Olmec statue head look like to you?
Dated from 1200 to 900 B.C.
http://www.werner-forman-archive.com/Image106...
No way around that.
it looks like a samoan man.

http://shawnmichaels974.s.h.pic.centerblog.ne...

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