Black clergy air radio ads opposing gay marriage

Mar 19, 2013 Full story: kfvs12.com 962

Some Chicago-area clergy are getting vocal about same-sex marriage - including through radio ads opposing pending legislation to legalize the practice in Illinois.

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#624 Mar 29, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
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If someone in my family was homosexual (and I have reason to suspect that some have been) I would not care one way of the other as long as he did not bother me or my. Just leave me alone, that is all I ask.
No problem. Quit calling people perverts. When somebody speaks the truth or hits one of your nerves you get offended. I see other people have been attacking you on this thread. You responded to me first on page 3, comment #46 on this thread. You respond to me first on the other threads also. You have serious issues and good luck.
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#625 Mar 29, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
Looks like these religious back hypocrites are unaware of the fact that the Civil Rights movement progressed due to the heroic efforts and relentless leadership of Bayard Rustin, a gay man.
http://fromthevaultradio.org/home/2008/05/02/...
You know that every gay person could stop comparing anti gay discrimination to anti black racism, and there would still be plenty of non gay black civil rights leaders who make the comparison for us because its obvious and it's a just cause.

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#626 Mar 29, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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That doesn't matter to anyone but you.
It was talked about on the other gay marriage thread also. So what's your point?

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#627 Mar 30, 2013
AzAdam wrote:
There are records of same sex marriages performed by catholic priests in the 1500's without much fan fare
There are no written records of any pre21st century law licensing same sex marriage.

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#628 Mar 30, 2013
AzAdam wrote:
If they say we will, we will. Really. To suggest otherwise, well I'm baffled. What do you think you will do to stop it?
I'm making good arguments to keep marriage one man and one woman.

If SCOTUS decides as you fear, I won't be surprised if some states secede.

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#629 Mar 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'm making good arguments to keep marriage one man and one woman.
If SCOTUS decides as you fear, I won't be surprised if some states secede.
Good, I hope YOUR state secedes and we can build a huge wall to keep no fun tight asses like you OUT.

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#630 Mar 30, 2013
Brian_G why do you spend so much time worrying what two people who happen to be of the same sex getting married? What did we ever do to you?

How does gay marriage effect your marriage, if you are married?

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#631 Mar 30, 2013
Wat the Tyler asks, "How does gay marriage effect your marriage, if you are married?"

Did I ever say it would? Did any marriage defender ever say same sex marriage would affect their marriage? The issue is the law, the greater social good and the welfare of children, not my marriage. W.t.T. doesn't seem to have a logical argument so instead responds to a question nobody's asked.

Many homosexals defend DOMA and believe marriage is one man and one woman. Every gay was born of male/female union.

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#632 Mar 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Did I ever say it would? Did any marriage defender ever say same sex marriage would affect their marriage? The issue is the law, the greater social good and the welfare of children, not my marriage. W.t.T. doesn't seem to have a logical argument so instead responds to a question nobody's asked.
Many homosexals defend DOMA and believe marriage is one man and one woman. Every gay was born of male/female union.
Are you implying same-sex couples can't raise children properly? That's homophobic.

DOMA is discrimination by denying gay couples over 1000 rights and benefits granted by the government.

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#633 Mar 30, 2013
No, I've never claimed "same-sex couples can't raise children properly", those are Wat the Tyler's words, not mine. Many homosexuals make wonderful parents, I've cited Meredith Baxter and Oscar Wilde as two examples.

I just stated the fact, every child raised by a same sex couple is raised without either a mother or a father. Since when did observing reality become homophobia?

Also, same sex couples were never legally granted the benefits government grants marriage. They've never gotten those 'rights' through legislation. SCOTUS will rule on the law, not write new laws that redefine marriage for everyone.

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#634 Mar 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
No, I've never claimed "same-sex couples can't raise children properly", those are Wat the Tyler's words, not mine. Many homosexuals make wonderful parents, I've cited Meredith Baxter and Oscar Wilde as two examples.
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Do you believe that kids with gay parents do better and are more secure when their parents cannot legally marry? That seems to against ALL research into the topic.

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#635 Mar 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Wat the Tyler asks, "How does gay marriage effect your marriage, if you are married?"
Did I ever say it would? Did any marriage defender ever say same sex marriage would affect their marriage?..
So, lets see.

You acknowledge that gay folks marrying will have NO effect on anyone else's marriage, and you acknowledge that gay people can raise wonderful kids.

So, what else is there?

Why you admit that most of the arguments used against gay folks legally marrying are just so much hooey, what's left?

"I just don't like it" isn't really an argument to deny other citizens of basic civil rights. You need something compelling and concrete.

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#636 Mar 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
No, I've never claimed "same-sex couples can't raise children properly", those are Wat the Tyler's words, not mine. Many homosexuals make wonderful parents, I've cited Meredith Baxter and Oscar Wilde as two examples.
I just stated the fact, every child raised by a same sex couple is raised without either a mother or a father. Since when did observing reality become homophobia?
Also, same sex couples were never legally granted the benefits government grants marriage. They've never gotten those 'rights' through legislation. SCOTUS will rule on the law, not write new laws that redefine marriage for everyone.
SCOTUS will dump both prop 8 and DOMA. Even Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly see the writing on the wall. What will you do when marriage equality becomes the law of the land? Yes, I predicted SCOTUS would not hear the case but it seems they wish to pass judgment on the standing issue or lack thereof.

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#637 Mar 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
No, I've never claimed "same-sex couples can't raise children properly", those are Wat the Tyler's words, not mine. Many homosexuals make wonderful parents, I've cited Meredith Baxter and Oscar Wilde as two examples.
I just stated the fact, every child raised by a same sex couple is raised without either a mother or a father. Since when did observing reality become homophobia?
Also, same sex couples were never legally granted the benefits government grants marriage. They've never gotten those 'rights' through legislation. SCOTUS will rule on the law, not write new laws that redefine marriage for everyone.
Oh no! The horror! Children raised without a mother or a father!

Like all those poor families that lost one or the other in the wars started in the name of the christian god, that's just horrible, they should be forced to give those kids up to "real" families.

You are inferring that not only gay people, but also all single parents, cannot raise a child properly. You say one thing, then contradict yourself in the very next sentence. However, your inference is fallacious, so fallacious, this is me not even bothering to explain it to you yet again.

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#638 Mar 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Wat the Tyler asks, "How does gay marriage effect your marriage, if you are married?"
Did I ever say it would? Did any marriage defender ever say same sex marriage would affect their marriage? The issue is the law, the greater social good and the welfare of children, not my marriage. W.t.T. doesn't seem to have a logical argument so instead responds to a question nobody's asked.
Many homosexals defend DOMA and believe marriage is one man and one woman. Every gay was born of male/female union.
LOL!!

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#639 Mar 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
Oh no! The horror! Children raised without a mother or a father!
Yes, more children raised without either a mother or a father because of a court rewriting marriage law against the will of the people.

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KittenKoder wrote:
Like all those poor families that lost one or the other in the wars started in the name of the christian god, that's just horrible,
Not like that at all, same sex couples can't have children like husband/wife families.

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KittenKoder wrote:
they should be forced to give those kids up to "real" families.
KittenKoder wrote: "they should be forced to give those kids up to "real" families", not me. I'd never write anything like that. I've written that homosexuals can be good parents just like everyone else. I've never advocated taking children from their parent's custody, without evidence of serious abuse. KittenKoder can't blame me for her own foolish ideas of forcing parents left widowed by war to give up their chilren; I don't believe I've heard of anything as poorly reasoned.

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KittenKoder wrote:
You are inferring that not only gay people, but also all single parents, cannot raise a child properly.
No, I'm directly stating that children raised by their married mother and father have better outcomes than children raised by only one parent; but that's certainly no justification to take a child from a parent. It's statistical fact, truth: tough love.

The people don't want to rewrite marriage laws that would harm families by creating a new standard of gender segregation in marriage. I want to keep marriage gender diverse so more children can be raised by their own mom and dad. That's the ideal, same sex marriage falls short of the standard by creating a new gender apartheid marriage form.

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KittenKoder wrote:
You say one thing, then contradict yourself in the very next sentence.
Maybe that's KittenKoder's reading comprehension problem. Having an ideal doesn't mean taking away children from parents who don't meet the ideal. It just means keeping the ideal and not changing standards.

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KittenKoder wrote:
However, your inference is fallacious, so fallacious, this is me not even bothering to explain it to you yet again.
Please don't. The left creates its own arguments, KittenKoder's constructions "they should be forced to give those kids up" and "gay people, but also all single parents, cannot raise a child properly" because truth and facts stand in the way of their political goals. It's easier to deal with false arguments than the real arguments.

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#640 Mar 30, 2013
Quest wrote:
So, lets see. You acknowledge that gay folks marrying will have NO effect on anyone else's marriage, and you acknowledge that gay people can raise wonderful kids. So, what else is there?
That's true, I've always written there's nothing wrong with homsexuals and homosexuality but that's no reason to redefine marriage law.

Marriage is defined as husband and wife; every marriage case heard before the US Supreme Court before last Tuesday has always been male/female marriage. US law and the will of California's voters is to keep marriage one man and one woman.

Same sex marriage is wrong because common law marriage defines marriage as male/female.

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Quest wrote:
Why you admit that most of the arguments used against gay folks legally marrying are just so much hooey, what's left?
The arguments KittenKoder and other leftists use aren't real; that's why the US Supreme Court had a problem with standing when the executive turns its back on the will of the people and due process of law. The attack on marriage comes when a President or Governor refuses to enforce law; that's the issue of standing before the Supreme Court.

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Quest wrote:
"I just don't like it" isn't really an argument to deny other citizens of basic civil rights. You need something compelling and concrete.
Homosexuals aren't denied a basic civil right; gays have always married under the same laws as everyone else. They don't get a special right to rewrite marriage law, even when they are sympathetically treated as a mascot victim group. There is no orientation test for a marriage license.

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#641 Mar 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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The original "family," you know, from when our species was still in Africa, was very different than pairs raising children. Children were raised almost exclusively by the mothers until they could hunt, then most males and some females would join the hunting parties. See, until we had refrigeration and ways to transport goods vast distances quickly, they needed the strongest people to hunt, almost all day, every day, just to survive. I say we go back to the original family structure, each neighborhood can be a family, just like the original ones.
The entire concept of children being raised by just their birth parents is an extremely new idea.
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In His Hope, Gwyne

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#642 Mar 30, 2013
Wat the Tyler wrote:
Are you implying same-sex couples can't raise children properly? That's homophobic.
No, Wat the Tyler wrote "same-sex couples can't raise children properly"; those aren't my words, they are W.t.T.'s words.

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Wat the Tyler wrote:
DOMA is discrimination by denying gay couples over 1000 rights and benefits granted by the government.
DOMA limits marriage to one man and one woman, it was passed by Congress and signed into law by the President. Just because some future administration decides not to enforce the law doesn't mean the law is 'discrimination' or denies anything to a qualified party.

They keep on about 'discrimination' because the actual arguments about changing marriage law and the implications for government's treatment of families is to miserable to contemplate. It's easier to go on about bigotry than to make a rational argument for a cause. Appeals to emotion are often more persuasive than reason.

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#643 Mar 30, 2013
Halle Berry Sister wrote:
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No problem. Quit calling people perverts.
I will call people whatever I think they are. And I think you are perverts. You are attempting mind control and brain-washing. I will not accept that.

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