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#71 Feb 18, 2013
Brngthtrth2u wrote:
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This is where your thinking is flawed...i'm going to open the door for you. If you can't come through at least acknowledge you are not as sharp as you think you are and putting you on the spot will only make you more angry. Post up...anything that says I accused any Caucasian person anywhere in this forum of anything that is not supported in the same post with information that led me and many others to believe the same thing. You asked for this...with an disgruntled disposition...find it. I'll make it even easier for you...I have $20.00 I'll send you if you can find that I accuse anyone of anything I am not sure of besides the trolls in this forum. Go ahead I'll wait....I have a long time for you to work on that. Word is bond, FIND IT! I know you won't, why? It is indecisive to make accusations that I am not directly involved in as my conclusion of what happened. I cannot think for someone else. When I am not directly involved, I see the situation as it appears to me, not what I want to believe. SO FIND IT! I got $20.00. Post it up. I'm not a racist by any means. I have friends of all colors. All I require is people around me who get what life is, not what they want to believe it is. So you got the floor...find it!
Those of us who are in our right minds know that all evidence points to Wayne Williams and not some fictional KKK racist pedophile. In fact I applaud that black detective who was the first one to recognize they were looking for a BM.

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#72 Feb 18, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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I am not making excuses for anybody. I afor sure know the extent of black on black violence. In this thread, I am pointing the evidence for and against Wayne Williams. There were a multitude of suspects both wm and bm. All of them were pedophiles and many were known to be violent criminals. Keep this in mind, Wayne Williams was never seen doing anything illegal(besides driving with police gear and fighting with his father)
but a wm was seen breaking into an apartment and trying to abduct a black boy. The same man was seen chasing that boy for several blocks
A bm(not Wayne) abducted a 16 yr old bm at gun and forced him into a car. The boy only escaped when the car stopped.
Several of those kids were seen with wm and bm pedophiles.
A bm( not Wayne) tried to abduct a boy by luring him in his car. When the boy refused, he lured the boy's girlfriend into the car, when she tried to leave he pushed her out and struck her with the car.
The chief suspect in murder victim Angel Lenair's case was a bm (not Wayne) who abducted a black boy once and was caught staring at a black girl.
Two bm were seen abducting victim Latonya Wilson
IN several of the cases, a bm and and a wm were seen.
Charles Stephens, a victim, had hairs from both a wm and a bm
I am sure that other pedophiles were committing crimes all over Atlanta but that doesn't rule out basically the fact that Wayne Williams is the one who killed these little black boys in those years.

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#75 Feb 18, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for the link. I will go through it.
ok. This is an interesting thread. I was always interested in this case. I remember watching the movie when I was a kid and then me and my friends being scared to walk to school.
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#76 Feb 18, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Most likely the crimes were done by more than one killer
I can see both sides of the aisles. I believe that Wayne Williams did some of the murders, but not all. One of the murdered boys, Clifford Jones had his murder witnessed by one witness and the disposal of his body by others. The suspect is question was not Wayne Williams.
As far as supposed KKK involvement many blacks believed that the clan was involved because a clan member, Charles Sanders had promised to strangle one of the boys; Lubie Geter. Geter was later found strangled.
In the case of Earl Terrel, a wm(John Wilcoxen)next door to the pool that he frequently visited was a pedophile with the pics of over a hundred boys. Police brushed aside any connection between the murdered John and Earl because they said that John had only pics of white boys, but a police recruit said that he had pics of blacks as well. Also Earl was known to have visited his house.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_kil...
In the case of Yusef Bell, a witness claimed to last see Yusef with a wm and said that when he saw the same wm and asked about Yusef, the guy pulled a gun on him.
In another incident, a wm tried to abduct a black boy. The wm followed the black boy to his apartment. He broke into the apartment and ransacked it while the boy was hiding. Later when the boy was with his mother, the same man appeared. He knocked on the door but when the mother answered he did not answer. Th boy soy the wm's face through the living room window. The woman then screamed when she saw that he was attempting to unlock the door. Apparently the man became very frightened and left.
Later on, he called back and aid that he was going to kill the boy.
Then the boy went to his grandmother's, but the wm somehow managed to find out that he was there. According to the boy, he was chased around for several blocks, before escaping. A witness confirmed the boy's account. The FBI polygraphed all three witnesses and the polygraph revealed that they were telling the truth.
Many people in Atlanta believe it was white cops(kkk members)who where doing it.

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#77 Feb 18, 2013
Aziya Shines wrote:
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ok. This is an interesting thread. I was always interested in this case. I remember watching the movie when I was a kid and then me and my friends being scared to walk to school.
I want to watch the movie as well. Even as an adult, some of the stories shocked me to the bone. Like the story of how the wm followed a black boy from school and broke into his apartment and then called to threaten to kill the boy. The other story that shook me is how Latonya was kidnapped from her apartment with all her family still living there. Or how one 16 yr was abducted at gun point

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#78 Feb 18, 2013
Cap Black wrote:
<quoted text>Many people in Atlanta believe it was white cops(kkk members)who where doing it.
I don't think it was a cop. I do believe that bm and wm pedophiles killed those kids.

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#79 Feb 18, 2013
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Fourteen-year-old Edward Hope Smith lived in one of Atlanta's lower income housing projects on Cape Street in southwest Atlanta. It was a destitute place that many had the misfortune of living and few had the means to escape, even though Edward had tried. It isn't difficult to understand why anyone would want to run away from such a disheartening place where more garbage filled the streets than people. Just after midnight in the early morning of July 21, 1979, Edward left a skating rink where he had spent the evening with his girlfriend and began the long walk home.
Alfred Evans
Several days later, his friend fourteen-year-old Alfred Evans, who lived on the other side of town off Memorial Drive in the East Lake Meadows housing projects, left home to see a karate movie in downtown Atlanta.
Both boys were very athletic. Smith was a football fanatic and Evans was equally exuberant about basketball, professional wrestling, boxing and karate. Smith was training to play on the high school football team in the fall and Evans played basketball and boxed. These boys had promise, despite their disadvantaged status. They had dreams that they were enthusiastically pursuing.
Dreams became nightmares when Edward never got home from the skating rink that morning and Alfred didn't make it to the karate movie. Instead, both of them were found July 28 in a wooded area off Niskey Lake Road in the southwestern part of the city. Edward had been killed with a .22-caliber gun and Alfred by an undetermined means -- the medical examiner guessed at asphyxia, possibly resulting from strangulation. Both boys were dressed in black, but Edward's socks and distinctive football shirt were missing; Alfred was wearing a belt that wasn't his. Edward was easily identified with dental records, but Alfred's identification is still debated.
I remember this and I saw the movie years ago. What a tragedy? I know that members of the Black Community were unhappy with law enforcement officials.

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#80 Feb 18, 2013
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In a four-month period, two very high profile street murders of whites by blacks would crystallize their fears:&#65533; On June 28, 1979, a young white doctor attending one of the city's conventions was murdered by two black robbers.&#65533; Then on October 17, 1979, a mentally unstable black man gunned down a white legal secretary on her birthday.&#65533; Everyone was outraged and the media demanded a crackdown on crime.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_kil...
My step dad went to school with Wayne Williams, they were friends! He was one of the ones who arrested Wayne Williams as well.

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#81 Feb 18, 2013
BROWNMAN20 wrote:
<quoted text>My step dad went to school with Wayne Williams, they were friends! He was one of the ones who arrested Wayne Williams as well.
Wow! What he was his opinion of Wayne

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#82 Feb 18, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Wow! What he was his opinion of Wayne
We only talked about it once, and thats when the movie came on. He was kinda inbetween on it, but did say Wayne was quiet, and to himself, but a cool person. Some believe the KKK had a hand into it. Wayne was used as the boogie man in atlanta, towards kids, or when I was a kid. I believe he went to South West Dekalb high school if I remember. Some believe that whites put the killings on him. The south is still racist, but was even more racist at that time. It would not shock me if the killings were done by white racist. He did not like talking about wayne, they were very close.

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#83 Feb 18, 2013
If he did murder those kids, I dont think he murdered all of them. It was like 30 something killings. I hate to hear people hurt kids.

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#84 Feb 18, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
Fourteen-year-old Edward Hope Smith lived in one of Atlanta's lower income housing projects on Cape Street in southwest Atlanta. It was a destitute place that many had the misfortune of living and few had the means to escape, even though Edward had tried. It isn't difficult to understand why anyone would want to run away from such a disheartening place where more garbage filled the streets than people. Just after midnight in the early morning of July 21, 1979, Edward left a skating rink where he had spent the evening with his girlfriend and began the long walk home.
Alfred Evans
Several days later, his friend fourteen-year-old Alfred Evans, who lived on the other side of town off Memorial Drive in the East Lake Meadows housing projects, left home to see a karate movie in downtown Atlanta.
Both boys were very athletic. Smith was a football fanatic and Evans was equally exuberant about basketball, professional wrestling, boxing and karate. Smith was training to play on the high school football team in the fall and Evans played basketball and boxed. These boys had promise, despite their disadvantaged status. They had dreams that they were enthusiastically pursuing.
Dreams became nightmares when Edward never got home from the skating rink that morning and Alfred didn't make it to the karate movie. Instead, both of them were found July 28 in a wooded area off Niskey Lake Road in the southwestern part of the city. Edward had been killed with a .22-caliber gun and Alfred by an undetermined means -- the medical examiner guessed at asphyxia, possibly resulting from strangulation. Both boys were dressed in black, but Edward's socks and distinctive football shirt were missing; Alfred was wearing a belt that wasn't his. Edward was easily identified with dental records, but Alfred's identification is still debated.
I grew up near these areas :(

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#85 Feb 18, 2013
I used to hang out with this older brother a few years ago down here in Atlanta. He was one of the volunteers who helped search for the bodies of the Atlanta murder victims. He was telling me that even after the arrest of Wayne Williams, dead bodies of black men were still being found. I think I heard something like that too back during that time period, although I was living in the DC area. However because they were grown men, they didn't connect them to the rest of the murders.

I'm still learning this strange wicked part of the south. Sometimes I would hear stories on the news like a car supposedly losing control, then somehow killing a pedestrian who would be something like 20 yards off the road way. For some reason, these pedestrian are always black, but you never here anything else about it. After knowing these racist down here are still stuck in the past, it wouldn't surprise me if these were straight up murders. Now I know why I see so many black men walking in groups of two or three, even in broad daylight. I'm new to the area, so I don't. But I do carry a 9mm that holds 17 rounds, and I shoot in the expert range. It may not be a silver bullet, but it's better than walking around here totally defenseless.

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#86 Feb 18, 2013
KPITRL wrote:
I used to hang out with this older brother a few years ago down here in Atlanta. He was one of the volunteers who helped search for the bodies of the Atlanta murder victims. He was telling me that even after the arrest of Wayne Williams, dead bodies of black men were still being found. I think I heard something like that too back during that time period, although I was living in the DC area. However because they were grown men, they didn't connect them to the rest of the murders.
I'm still learning this strange wicked part of the south. Sometimes I would hear stories on the news like a car supposedly losing control, then somehow killing a pedestrian who would be something like 20 yards off the road way. For some reason, these pedestrian are always black, but you never here anything else about it. After knowing these racist down here are still stuck in the past, it wouldn't surprise me if these were straight up murders. Now I know why I see so many black men walking in groups of two or three, even in broad daylight. I'm new to the area, so I don't. But I do carry a 9mm that holds 17 rounds, and I shoot in the expert range. It may not be a silver bullet, but it's better than walking around here totally defenseless.
As a kid, we were always taught to walk in groups. When I was a kid, me and my sister use to walk to school, and a racist white man pulled a shot gun out on us, and he had a dog, a german shepherd, and he was literally holding the dog back. We were only 6 and 8 years old! He told us to never walk anywhere near his lawn again, and we never did. I would not be suprised if whites were killing these kids at all. Theirs all kinds of secret racist organizations in the south.

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#87 Feb 19, 2013
BROWNMAN20 wrote:
If he did murder those kids, I dont think he murdered all of them. It was like 30 something killings. I hate to hear people hurt kids.
I agree, He defianetly did not kill all those kids. One of the boys, Clifford was murdered by a black laundry owner.
A witness, a young bm named Freddie saw the laundromat owner, Jaime lure Clifford into the back of the laundromat. He later saw him rape and strangle the boy. He even saw him clean the body.
Four other witnesses said that they saw the same man lift a heavy object and place it nex to the dumpsters where Clifford was found.
The police never arrested the man.

http://atlantayouthmurders.blogspot.com/2011/...

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#88 Feb 19, 2013
KPITRL wrote:
I used to hang out with this older brother a few years ago down here in Atlanta. He was one of the volunteers who helped search for the bodies of the Atlanta murder victims. He was telling me that even after the arrest of Wayne Williams, dead bodies of black men were still being found. I think I heard something like that too back during that time period, although I was living in the DC area. However because they were grown men, they didn't connect them to the rest of the murders.
I'm still learning this strange wicked part of the south. Sometimes I would hear stories on the news like a car supposedly losing control, then somehow killing a pedestrian who would be something like 20 yards off the road way. For some reason, these pedestrian are always black, but you never here anything else about it. After knowing these racist down here are still stuck in the past, it wouldn't surprise me if these were straight up murders. Now I know why I see so many black men walking in groups of two or three, even in broad daylight. I'm new to the area, so I don't. But I do carry a 9mm that holds 17 rounds, and I shoot in the expert range. It may not be a silver bullet, but it's better than walking around here totally defenseless.
I'm gonna get a gun too, a small handgun to protect myself.

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#89 Feb 19, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, He defianetly did not kill all those kids. One of the boys, Clifford was murdered by a black laundry owner.
A witness, a young bm named Freddie saw the laundromat owner, Jaime lure Clifford into the back of the laundromat. He later saw him rape and strangle the boy. He even saw him clean the body.
Four other witnesses said that they saw the same man lift a heavy object and place it nex to the dumpsters where Clifford was found.
The police never arrested the man.
http://atlantayouthmurders.blogspot.com/2011/...
Oh my god. That turned my stomach. Believe it or not, a lot of kids are raped like that, they are in the hospital as we speak, but they dont report it to the news, and this young boy lost his life. Thats very sad. This man got away????????

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#92 Feb 19, 2013
Murder of Curtis Walker
13 year old Curtis Lamar Walker, III (5ft, 75lbs, DOB 14 June 1967) lived in apartment 497 at 946 Wilkes Circle NW (same street as the daycare in the boiler incident) in Bowen Homes near Bankhead Hwy, with mother Catherine Murray Leach and brothers, William Murray and Alexander Walker, and sisters, Teaka M. and Kelclo Walker. He formerly lived in Thomasville Heights.

His father was Mr. Curtis Lamar Walker, Jr., and his grandparents were James and Pearline Murray, Mr. Curtis Lamar Walker, Sr., Lessie and Ernest Green. He had an aunt by the name Odessa Tate and uncles Willie Murray, and Byron Orr. His cousin was Terrell Murray.

Walker was attending 7th grade at A. D. Williams School in Bowen Homes.

He was last seen wearing a brown and blue shirt, blue pants, and blue sneakers.

He was last seen at Archie (& Gary?) Byron's Gun Shop (2176 Bankhead Highway?, where he and his 8 year old brother had often picked up trash for money) looking for work, then walked to a nearby shopping center near the intersection of Hightower Road. His scent was tracked to the rear of Center Hill School on Bankhead. He was possibly seen getting into a yellow car.

~1905 Thurs 19 Feb 1981

His uncle who lived with him, Stanley Murray, a maintenance man at East Lake Meadows, was killed at age 21 in 1981 near where Walker was last seen.
Curtis Walker's body was found snagged on a log by a fireman crossing the South River on Waldrop Road (near Flat Shoals Parkway). A witness claimed that they saw an old green Chevy parked nearby the Tuesday or Wednesday before. It was about .75 miles from the Chapel Hill Harvester Church where Rev. Earl Paulk received calls in February from someone claiming to be the killer.

The body was missing all his clothes but his underwear. Latent prints were found on the body. His cause of death was ruled asphyxiation by strangulation. 06 March 1981

Catherine Leach & Curtis Walker, Jr.

Catherine Leach pictured with Louis Graham

His funeral was held Wednesday March 11, 1981 at 1 p.m. at New St. John Baptist Church, 1536 Hardee St. N.E. with Rev. J.L. Henderson, Pastor officiating. The cortege was at 11:30 am and burial at South View Cemetery.

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#93 Feb 19, 2013
BROWNMAN20 wrote:
<quoted text>We only talked about it once, and thats when the movie came on. He was kinda inbetween on it, but did say Wayne was quiet, and to himself, but a cool person. Some believe the KKK had a hand into it. Wayne was used as the boogie man in atlanta, towards kids, or when I was a kid. I believe he went to South West Dekalb high school if I remember. Some believe that whites put the killings on him. The south is still racist, but was even more racist at that time. It would not shock me if the killings were done by white racist. He did not like talking about wayne, they were very close.
I doubt that they manufactured evidence against Wayne. They had a greater number of black subjects whom they could have framed for the murders.

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#94 Feb 19, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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I doubt that they manufactured evidence against Wayne. They had a greater number of black subjects whom they could have framed for the murders.
He may have did it, but its just scary thinking about it.

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