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Is Immigration Reform a Handout for Latinos?

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“I'm a proud grandma”

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#1 Jan 30, 2013
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line...

The Latinos have at least not been told to take off their "bedroom slippers" in a condescending way by Prez. Obama, like Black citizens who continue to have issues about high unemployment.

But here we have politicians trying to pass legislation to help people who did not play by the rules, and come here legally.
Burt Campbell

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#2 Jan 30, 2013
We are being used as fools. Hispanics are attacking
Blacks across the country. And how stupid are we
to let illegal aliens take jobs.

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#3 Jan 30, 2013
Americans illegally in Texas were asked to leave by the Mexican government that had given them handouts of land after they had sworn obedience to Mexican law and they chimped out.
Lena Gomez

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#4 Jan 30, 2013
First of all shut up white beech. Whatever I get I worked for it.

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#5 Jan 30, 2013
Birthright: The U.S. Conquest and Exploitation of the Mexican People [4 of 6]
By Richard D. Vogel

The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo

Mexico ultimately lost the war because of the ruthless application of superior firepower against both military and civilian targets by U.S. Army and Navy forces. It began as a war of attrition that American field commanders were willing to escalate into a war of annihilation. Hostilities officially ceased in late October of 1847, and the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, signed on February 2, 1848, formally ended the conflict.

The U.S. War on Mexico secured Texas as part of the southern empire of slavery and took another 1,370,154 square kilometers (529,017 square miles) of land, nearly half of the original territory of Mexico, as spoils of war. Including the land of the Spanish cession and the annexation of Texas, by 1848 the U.S. had expropriated a total of 2,567,111 square kilometers (almost one million square miles) of land from its southern neighbors.

Lost to Mexico were the fertile coastal plains of Texas and California and the bountiful high plains of the Edwards and Colorado plateaus and the Llano Estacado, vast areas that have produced enormous wealth in minerals, oil, beef, cotton, corn, sugar, and other agricultural commodities.

Gone were the fecund Central Valley in California, Gila River Valley in Arizona the Mesilla Valley in New Mexico, and Rio Grande Valley in Texas, cornucopias that would come to feed so much of the U.S. population.

Stolen from the Mexican people were the treasures of the Sierra Nevada, the lower Rocky Mountains, and the upper portions of Sonora and Chihuahua that have produced copious amounts gold, silver, copper, and other minerals.

Expropriated were the important rivers and abundant forests of the American Southwest.

Annexed to the U.S. were the key seaports of California and Texas -- San Francisco, San Pedro, San Diego, Port Isabel, Corpus Christi, and Galveston -- all destined to become thriving centers of commerce and industry.

Denied to Mexico were the important trade centers of Sonoma, Santa Clara, San Juan Bautista, Monterey, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara, San Fernando, Los Angeles, La Mesa, San Gabriel, Santa Fe, Albuquerque, El Paso, San Antonio, and Laredo -- the Spanish names protest the theft.


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#6 Jan 30, 2013
Brainiac2 wrote:
Americans illegally in Texas were asked to leave by the Mexican government that had given them handouts of land after they had sworn obedience to Mexican law and they chimped out.
are you an american brainiac? does mexico want texas back? somehow i doubt it. in fact i'm sure many americans don't even want texas.

u.s. immigration policy should be based on need and fair opportunity, only. with that in mind, all foreign nationals who violate immigration laws should be deported. don't you agree?

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#7 Jan 30, 2013
DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
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are you an american brainiac? does mexico want texas back? somehow i doubt it. in fact i'm sure many americans don't even want texas.
u.s. immigration policy should be based on need and fair opportunity, only. with that in mind, all foreign nationals who violate immigration laws should be deported. don't you agree?
I agree that u.s. immigration policy should be based on need and fair opportunity, only.
Barros Serrano-Bey

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#8 Jan 30, 2013
Ms Mack wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/01/29/ immigration-reform-the-next-ch apter-in-the-american-story/
The Latinos have at least not been told to take off their "bedroom slippers" in a condescending way by Prez. Obama, like Black citizens who continue to have issues about high unemployment.
But here we have politicians trying to pass legislation to help people who did not play by the rules, and come here legally.
The rules? USA did not play by the rules in stealing Mexican territory.

Illegal immigrants have been used as the new “Jim Crow” labor force... like blacks in the past, could not get but certain jobs, and had special restrictions which enabled lower pay.

The USA doesn't play by the rules as USA corporations control the Mexican economy and treat workers like dogs.

The USA didn't play by the rules in interfering during and after the Mexican Revolution, ensuring the assassination of Madero and the installation of the gringo puppet Huerta.

Those here deserve full citizenship rights and Affirmative Action.
Barros Serrano-Bey

United States

#9 Jan 30, 2013
Burt Campbell wrote:
We are being used as fools. Hispanics are attacking
Blacks across the country. And how stupid are we
to let illegal aliens take jobs.
But you don't complain about USA corporations running the Mexican economy and forcing people across the border in order to earn a living.

So your concerns are worthless. Shut up.
Barros Serrano-Bey

United States

#10 Jan 30, 2013
Brainiac2 wrote:
Americans illegally in Texas were asked to leave by the Mexican government that had given them handouts of land after they had sworn obedience to Mexican law and they chimped out.
And the major issue inducing their chimpout was the Mexican govt demanding that they not have SLAVES in Texas!

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#12 Jan 30, 2013
Barros Serrano-Bey wrote:
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And the major issue inducing their chimpout was the Mexican govt demanding that they not have SLAVES in Texas!
I can agree about the slavery chimpout. But you have to realize that these are the same bunch that were traitors to the Union and the cause of the Civil War.

Chimpout is what they did best!

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#13 Jan 30, 2013
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are you an american brainiac? does mexico want texas back? somehow i doubt it. in fact i'm sure many americans don't even want texas.
u.s. immigration policy should be based on need and fair opportunity, only. with that in mind, all foreign nationals who violate immigration laws should be deported. don't you agree?
Funny how Mexico has a strict immigration policy, but seems to dictate US immigration policy issues? Here we have people illegally here making demands from a country that they snuck into.

In a payback for votes by the Democrats, and a pandering for those same votes by Republicans, we now out of nowhere have this so-called American groundswell to open the border. At least that is what the politicians are claiming is going on. I think the electorate is very divided on the issue.

From some of these posters, you would think immigration reform is payback for the US winning in the fight back in 1848.

The racist MECHA agenda to takeover the US thru Reconquista is in full swing apparently. Azatlan will rise.

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#14 Jan 30, 2013
The hypocritical Mexico always finger wagging at the US in this illegal alien issue, has much stricter laws to protect its own borders. And anyone that has chosen to live in Mexico will learn Spanish, and deal with the government there in Spanish.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/...

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#15 Jan 30, 2013
A more appropriate title for this thread could have been:

Is Immigration Reform a Form of Reparations for Latinos?

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#16 Jan 31, 2013
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....The Mexican American War also led to various internal problems in Mexico. There were various uprisings and governments and rulers were overthrown one after another. Also, to make Mexico’s matters worse, after the war ended the United States continually interfered with Mexico’s government and society in almost every way possible (“Mexican War” 1).

The last effect of the Mexican-American War involved the former Mexican citizens who lived in the territories ceded by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo to the U.S. These people were promised U.S. citizenship and their former lands by the United States. When citizens of the eastern U.S. traveled into the new territories (another effect), the Mexican peoples’ claims on the lands were ignored as the “easterners” stole those lands and settled down.

Using the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo as one of their key arguments, many of these Mexicans tried to regain their lost lands through lawsuits. They, however, were unsuccessful (Griswold del Castillo, Richard 1).

In conclusion there were various effects due to the Mexican-American War. The U.S., on one side, both benefited and was hurt by the outcome of the war. On one end, it gained massive amounts of territory, which was the equivalent of 66% of the U.S. before the reception of the territory. On the other end, the aftermath of the war led to the disruptions in Congress and the build up of hatred between the North and South for each had a specific stance when it came to the problem/practice of slavery. Mexico, on the other side, was for the worst by the war in all mannerisms.

Not only did it lose a vast amount of territory, but it also lost much of its stability due to the uprisings that took place during and after the war and had to deal with U.S. interference.

http://ncamel214.tripod.com/id4.html

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#17 Jan 31, 2013
Burt Campbell wrote:
We are being used as fools. Hispanics are attacking
Blacks across the country....
East Coast



Racist Black people are targeting Latinos for hate crimes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...

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#18 Jan 31, 2013
Ms Mack wrote:
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Funny how Mexico has a strict immigration policy, but seems to dictate US immigration policy issues? Here we have people illegally here making demands from a country that they snuck into.
In a payback for votes by the Democrats, and a pandering for those same votes by Republicans, we now out of nowhere have this so-called American groundswell to open the border. At least that is what the politicians are claiming is going on. I think the electorate is very divided on the issue.
From some of these posters, you would think immigration reform is payback for the US winning in the fight back in 1848.
The racist MECHA agenda to takeover the US thru Reconquista is in full swing apparently. Azatlan will rise.
you can't just blame the mexicans. if i were poor and had the opportunity to go somewhere else (illegally) to live a better life i would, too.

but i do have a problem with mexicans and especially mexican americans, and liberals trying to turn the willful violation of american law into some new civil rights issue.

just the idea of having people who come from a completely lawless society, somehow try to argue they have the right to break american laws, too, is ridiculous in the extreme.

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#19 Jan 31, 2013
Brainiac2 wrote:
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East Coast
Racist Black people are targeting Latinos for hate crimes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...

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#20 Jan 31, 2013
Brainiac2 wrote:
excerpt:
....The Mexican American War also led to various internal problems in Mexico. There were various uprisings and governments and rulers were overthrown one after another. Also, to make Mexico’s matters worse, after the war ended the United States continually interfered with Mexico’s government and society in almost every way possible (“Mexican War” 1).
The last effect of the Mexican-American War involved the former Mexican citizens who lived in the territories ceded by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo to the U.S. These people were promised U.S. citizenship and their former lands by the United States. When citizens of the eastern U.S. traveled into the new territories (another effect), the Mexican peoples’ claims on the lands were ignored as the “easterners” stole those lands and settled down.
Using the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo as one of their key arguments, many of these Mexicans tried to regain their lost lands through lawsuits. They, however, were unsuccessful (Griswold del Castillo, Richard 1).
In conclusion there were various effects due to the Mexican-American War. The U.S., on one side, both benefited and was hurt by the outcome of the war. On one end, it gained massive amounts of territory, which was the equivalent of 66% of the U.S. before the reception of the territory. On the other end, the aftermath of the war led to the disruptions in Congress and the build up of hatred between the North and South for each had a specific stance when it came to the problem/practice of slavery. Mexico, on the other side, was for the worst by the war in all mannerisms.
Not only did it lose a vast amount of territory, but it also lost much of its stability due to the uprisings that took place during and after the war and had to deal with U.S. interference.
http://ncamel214.tripod.com/id4.html
Mexicans coming here DO NOT WANT THE LAND FOR MEXICO. Mexico actually has more than enough resources for it's people- but it has never been properly distributed amongst them. The rich/the government there refuses to use money to develop it. Even so, Mexico is one of the more prosperous Latin American nations- with one of the highest gdps. The rich Mexicans use this as a dumping ground for their poor and poor Mexicans want life under the US governemnt. If Mexico had kept the land- the rich over there would be richer, and the others would be in the same situation and coming into whatever states that were part of the United States.

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#21 Jan 31, 2013
Mexican president Porfirio Díaz brought unprecedented economic growth during the last quarter of the nineteenth century. This growth was accompanied by foreign investment and European immigration, the development of an efficient railroad network and the exploitation of the country's natural resources. Annual economic growth between 1876 and 1910 averaged 3.3%. Political repression and fraud, as well as huge income inequalities exacerbated by the land distribution system based on latifundios, in which large haciendas were owned by a few but worked by millions of underpaid peasants living in precarious conditions, led to the Mexican Revolution (1910–1917), an armed conflict that drastically transformed Mexico's political, social, cultural, and economical structure during the twentieth century under a premise of social democracy. The war itself, however, left a harsh toll in the economy and population, which decreased over the 11-year period between 1910 and 1921. The reconstruction of the country was to take place in the following decades.

The period from 1930 to 1970 was dubbed by economic historians as the "Mexican Miracle", a period of economic growth that followed the end of the Mexican Revolution and the resumption of capital accumulation during peacetime. During this period the nation adopted the economic model of import substitution industrialization (ISI) which protected and promoted the development of national industries. While population doubled from 1940 to 1970, GDP increased sixfold during the same period.

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