Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches

Mar 1, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Skanner

With Maryland poised to legalize gay marriage, some conservative opponents and religious leaders are counting on members of their congregations, especially in black churches, to upend the legislation at the polls this fall.

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#8568 Dec 4, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
"Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live; it is asking others to live as one wishes to live. And unselfishness is letting other people's lives alone, not interfering with them. Selfishness always aims at uniformity of type. Unselfishness recognizes infinite variety of type as a delightful thing, accepts it, acquiesces in it, enjoys it." Oscar Wilde
Wilde was a well known degenerate. Probably your hero? Thanks for posting.

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#8569 Dec 4, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
Wilde was a well known degenerate. Probably your hero? Thanks for posting.
Your a degenerate and a loser.

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#8570 Dec 4, 2012
Wat the Tyler wrote:
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Your a degenerate and a loser.
Oh come on now. You don't even know me. If you are going to throw insults make sure they have some substance to them. Otherwise it's just boring.

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#8571 Dec 4, 2012
DaveinMass wrote:
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You have obviously never read the Goodridge decision. I once again provide you with a link
http://www.boston.com/news/daily/18/sjc_gayma...
I'll try to explain again. What the Massachusetts SJC found was a right of the children to have married parents. It was not a right of the parents to be married and have children, but a right of the children to have married parents. The court found that the legal harm was to the children, a scenario that you seek to perpetuate. And to make sure you don't have any misunderstanding, the court did not find any harm to the child having same-sex parents. The harm to the child was solely in the fact that the state sought to deny those parents the ability to legally marry.
This was only one of the reasons given by the court when they rendered their decision. But because you keep harping on what is 'optimal' for the children, this, as one of its reasons, is most germane.
We sure do live in an upside down world now don't we? We have those amongst us who believe we need to legalize gay marriage because its better for the children? Insane.

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#8572 Dec 4, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
Oh come on now. You don't even know me. If you are going to throw insults make sure they have some substance to them. Otherwise it's just boring.
I don't need to. Your posts alone is all I need to know.
WaterBoarder wrote:
We sure do live in an upside down world now don't we? We have those amongst us who believe we need to legalize gay marriage because its better for the children? Insane.
Or maybe it's because everyone deserves equal rights. Insane concept, right?

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#8573 Dec 5, 2012
Quest wrote:
How does your wife feel about your lack of support for her right as a citizen to equal protection under the law, simply because she is female? Where in the constitution does it create a special class for women, with restricted civil and legal rights based on their gender, alone?[
The 14th Amendment gives everyone equal protection under the law but it explicitly recognizes male and female as unequal.

Recognizing gender differences doesn't make one gender subjugated under the other.

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#8574 Dec 5, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
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At the end of the day, however, it's important to recognize that there are no absolutes. But there is no reason anyone should ever be told that mutual attractions to other adults are bad or inappropriate. They should instead be taught to make sure they enter into mutually constructive relationships--whoever they may be attracted to.
Amen!

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#8575 Dec 5, 2012
Jane Dough wrote:
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now apply this to the right to an abortion and see if it flies...
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Abortion and marriage are not comparable. At least compare apples to other apples.

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#8576 Dec 5, 2012
The left has no absolutes; they are immoral. Can you name any secular reason to ban public nudity?

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#8577 Dec 5, 2012
Jane Dough wrote:
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I dont think there is anything WRONG with gay parenting?
Why do you take the negative inference of everything people say?
Both gendered parents is OPTIMUM, that says next to nothing about gays...
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But you want to ensure that every child of gay parents has unmarried parents, correct?

Why? How do the children of gay parents benefit form having unmarried parents?

And there really is no proof that having "both gendered" parents is optimum. It's lovely, no one denies that. But optimum?

You would need to show some valid proof of that claim.

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#8578 Dec 5, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
The left has no absolutes; they are immoral. Can you name any secular reason to ban public nudity?
Whereas you are full of absolutes...like saying everyone in a particular group (such as the left) is immoral. Millions of people and every single one of them is immoral?

Great to see that your posts still make no sense, Brian.

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#8579 Dec 5, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
The left has no absolutes; they are immoral. Can you name any secular reason to ban public nudity?
That is an irrational statement, even from you. Why in the world would you assume that half the population has no morals, and all of them are on the left?

As to public nudity, one very rational secular reason to regulate it is simple hygiene. Would you want to sit on a chair where a naked person had oozed some bodily fluid or another?

And, really, so much of beach wear is so body revealing as to be almost nudity. Are you campaigning against string micro bikinis and tiny little speedos?

And don't try to tell us that only the "left" wears such revealing things.

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#8580 Dec 5, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
The left has no absolutes; they are immoral. Can you name any secular reason to ban public nudity?
Good taste.

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#8581 Dec 5, 2012
Jane Dough

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#8582 Dec 5, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
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You can say that, but you cannot support it..
you can say its not true, but you cannot support that denial...
there is no evidence that suggests a child doesn't do best with his/her biological parents. you do have (poor, but some)evidence that says that gays in most instances can do about as good a job...

is a well educated and loving gay couple better than an abusive straight couple?
I would say yes.

So it is not a fair assessment to claim they are "inferior".

BUT if the two couples were equal in every other way, the straight couple has something the gays don't, both a mom and dad...

Can you really claim with a straight face that a child would CHOSE having two dads over having a mom?
You have absolutely no proof of that assertion and I have our entire human existence to support me...
I mean, you guys have to realize that you can have studies, but we ALL grew up in families and have a little experience that cannot be negated by a slick study...

Beyond that, for example, we want our kids to be healthy, so we encourage them to eat healthy food, and it is not a reasonable ground to deny this based on the fact that we have a lot of fat kids...

we want them to eat apples, does that mean bananas are inferior?
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Montpelier, VT

#8583 Dec 5, 2012
Quest wrote:
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Abortion and marriage are not comparable. At least compare apples to other apples.
a claimed fundamental right...

yes, it is logical to discuss other rights when assessing if marriage is one...

abortion is a right that is not equal to all people, but rests only with a woman and denied to men based on their reproductive abilities...

this kinda cuts against what you claim is possible doesn't it?
Jane Dough

Montpelier, VT

#8584 Dec 5, 2012
Quest wrote:
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But you want to ensure that every child of gay parents has unmarried parents, correct?
Why? How do the children of gay parents benefit form having unmarried parents?
And there really is no proof that having "both gendered" parents is optimum. It's lovely, no one denies that. But optimum?
You would need to show some valid proof of that claim.
We don't give student loans to those who don't go to school...
By your logic you would say we want to harm the non students...but that's not even remotely true is it?

And how many of those kids are the kids of both spouses?
NONE?
SO there is no parents to encourage to stay together, the "parents" are already not together...

a rational distinguisher...

in the end, you are a non student whining that you don't get a federal student loan...
"students use theirs to buy a car, I need a car, so I should get the money too!"

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#8585 Dec 5, 2012
Jane Dough wrote:
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We don't give student loans to those who don't go to school...
By your logic you would say we want to harm the non students...but that's not even remotely true is it?
And how many of those kids are the kids of both spouses?
NONE?
SO there is no parents to encourage to stay together, the "parents" are already not together...
a rational distinguisher...
in the end, you are a non student whining that you don't get a federal student loan...
"students use theirs to buy a car, I need a car, so I should get the money too!"
Perhaps there are other investments that young people would like to make to assure themselves a more productive future. They should make their case for government assistance.
Jane Dough

Montpelier, VT

#8586 Dec 5, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
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Perhaps there are other investments that young people would like to make to assure themselves a more productive future. They should make their case for government assistance.
denying them money harms them and does nothing to discourage going to college...
we should give a student loan to EVERYONE...I mean equal protection and all...
It must be bigotry against young entrepreneurs, right?

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#8587 Dec 5, 2012
Jane Dough wrote:
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denying them money harms them and does nothing to discourage going to college...
we should give a student loan to EVERYONE...
As long as they borrow it from their parents, it's fine with me.

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