Truthism

United States

#48 Mar 2, 2013
Capitalism is a tool; it, in and of itself, is not at fault. It all depends on the citizens as individuals and as a whole.

Same with communism - look at it like a tool - it can be abused or used for good. This all depends upon the population as a whole and if they all willingly work together for good.

Stop blaming the tool(s) and start looking at those who hold said tool(s) instead.

These companies would not be rich if people simply stopped purchasing their products. The government would be so corrupt today if the sheeple voters actually grew brains, realized they're being played like pawns, protested in the streets and then stopped voting in these criminal fascist idiots into office.

It's all on the people - they have the true power; too bad they don't realize that, so the minority criminal elite take advantage of said lack of knowledge.

Divide and conquer.
Truthism

United States

#49 Mar 2, 2013
wouldn't*
You Know Who

San Jose, CA

#51 Mar 2, 2013
Cogito2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Dude, stop parroting the rhetoric of the conservative talking head, you're trying too hard to miss the point...which is: If I have a family with 6 kids (three boys and three girls) and I allow my boys to go to school, take them traveling to foster their learning curb, secure them summer internship etc., but I deny the girls all of those things, I am inequitably distributing opportunities among my kids.
Later if the girls redress this inequity by demanding that I pay for their cost of living because they are not capable of securing employment.....who do I blame for this? Me (the government) or the girls (the victims of the inequities?) The historical inequities make the entitlement programs necessary in the first place because those with power selfishly sequestered all the opportunities for themselves.
That example only applies if blacks are all 200 years old. Don't forget, this country elected a "black" president,
.... twice now,

Time to dry your eyes and pull up those boot straps,....y'know?

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#52 Mar 2, 2013
Neo Szlachta wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay..... So your ideal seems to be giving Girls a good job / education means good for the Girls.
...
.... Well.... Sure sounds like the Feminist movement of the 1960's.
...
.... Gee.... Do you really think Women are better off today than before the 1960's!?
...
...... I mean 1960's women who were stay at home housewives & mothers were the nrom.
Now single mothers who work are the norm.
...
..... Gee.... Do you think women are better off today than before the 1960's!?
I sure don't.
...
..... Women got their Female Supremacist Feminism they wanted.
Now they got their Worker freedom....
Now they are forced to Work (Usually) unlike before.
Even such attitudes seems to have destroyed Relationships in conflict.
Leading to higher Divorce & Single mothers.
LOL! Come on Dude stop it!It was a microcosmic illustration of how inequitable distribution of opportunities can take place. It was about including everyone and excluding no one.

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#53 Mar 2, 2013
You Know Who wrote:
<quoted text>That example only applies if blacks are all 200 years old. Don't forget, this country elected a "black" president,
.... twice now,
Time to dry your eyes and pull up those boot straps,....y'know?
Too stupid to respond to.....besides saying it's too stupid to respond to!

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#54 Mar 3, 2013
You Know Who wrote:
<quoted text>
Bit that's what the Idiot savant reveres as an ideallic society. It's much easier for ignorant,lazy people such as that to get along by being dragged along by the current, than to exert any effort into personal success.
Capitalism is "bad" in his "opinion" he gets from watching MSNBC. It doesn't occur to him that a society with all takers and no givers will implode before the second month is over.
The simpleton "You Know who" (Who apparently knows nothing) is obviously unaware that critiques of modern capitalism goes back to at least the late 1700s--well before MSNBC (or any electronic media) existed.
Moreover, commercial and profiteering enterprises in antiquity (which might be seen as distant forerunners of modern capitalism) were severely criiqued by ancient Greek philosophers and ancient Christian moralists.
The early Christians, as indicated in the ACTS OF THE APOSTLES, did in fact form communistic associations and communities.
Perhaps Mr. Know Nothing should do some homework before seeking to challenge my analysis, let alone adopt a disrespectful attitude toward me or any other of his betters.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#55 Mar 3, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes. This “liberation from feudalism” I wonder about... I suppose that bourgeois industry and mercantilism did provide the basis for democratic revolutions, and a middle class did appear which had a decent life.... but when in post-Medieval times have we seen a country with developed industry and “capitalism” which did not also have large numbers of poor and an assortment of miserable conditions.
Things shift and change. But is any meaningful change happening? The corporate logo could be seen as the heraldic shield of the guy who owns the demesne on which I'm a serf. They manage their serfs differently these days... you can easily change demesnes if your resumé is right... but is the control over the social structure of production really any less when exercised by corporations rather than feudal lords?
We're free! They tell us. They adjust to our expectations, while also quelling those as much as possible. The corporate media gives us free democratic folks titillation with the British Royals, not with Lumumba or Crazy Horse. We know all about Henry VIII but who can tell me what happened in the end to peasant leader Wat Tyler? Yanks, I mean... the Brits may know this.
Feudal lords are still held up as models, and we are still their livestock. USA workers got a little uppity, did ya? Wanted 40-hr week, medical, occupational safety, decent wage? Well he he he you just got replaced by a Chinese sweatshop slave. Get it? You're a serf, now get back in line.
Black Yanks... aren't half of you still in poverty? Yeah, you can get a job... as a serf. Right, you don't have to be a Jim Crow untouchable or a slave any more. You get to be a full serf, with an oath to your feudal lord and everything! Just like whitey!
The profound revolution which removes the yoke of 5000 years of patriarchal imperialism, of our 5000 years as livestock,
So... we have indeed made progress. I mean human/civil rights are better now than in the past, certainly. At least in the West nobody's burned a witch lately. Nobody's in the hold of a slave ship. I hope. But the fundamental transformation has not occurred. The USA Revolution wasn't it, the French Revolution wasn't it. Steps in the right direction, yes.
So I am in agreement that this current system however much reformed still is fatally flawed by some of its basic capitalist assumptions. And so indeed the need for the nonviolent revolution which you ponder is very real.
Even basic civil liberties are now endangered, mainly by corporate power and through the insturments of corporate power in the State. The irony is that what some Marxists have called bourgeois democracy may have to be defended AGAINST the bourgeoisie and their political lapdogs at ever level of government.
holycrap

Powell, OH

#56 Mar 3, 2013
Cogito2 wrote:
By the way, although we live under a capitalistic system, most of us (90%) are SURVIVALIST, not CAPITALIST!
I disagree.

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#57 Mar 3, 2013
We're no longer producing. We're a nation of consumers. How long can this last?

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#58 Mar 3, 2013
holycrap wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree.
LOL! Of course you do. As my arch-nemesis, you are obligated to disagree with anything that I post. I am not quite sure what egregious sin I have committed to have brought this curse upon me, but I will most certainly atone for it, once it reveals itself to me.

Anyways, that's neither here nor there, here are the facts:

75% of Americans nearing Retirement age (50 to 64) have less than $30K in their retirement accounts. Those below the age of fifty on average, have less than 20k in theirs.

The average IRA balance in the US, even including the wealthy, is $54,863

In order to maintain a living standard into your old age, you need roughly 20x (times) your current annual income in financial income producing assets.(If you earn $100k annually, you need $2 million in assets to continue generating that 100,000 in retirement).

So, though we live in a capitalistic society, or rather we are govern by capitalism as an economic model, most of us are not actually players in the game; we are more like fans in a football stadiums seated in various hierarchical positions from the playing field, depending on each of our assets portfolio.

Most of us do not possess sufficient assets or liquidity to play this game, nor do we have the benefit of LEVERAGING as the REAL players do (leveraging: the borrowing of money to buy more assets). And because we in America, have a standard of living that far exceeds our annual income, we live an illusory existence underwritten by debt.

Most people (black and white) SURVIVE from paycheck to paycheck until they become unemployed or they are drowning in unsustainable debt and then lose all the assets that they own (rather share equitably) with their creditors. Thus, most of us are mere SURVIVALIST living under the aegis of capitalism!

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#59 Mar 3, 2013
Capitalism is a parasite system that concentrates all the resources on the upper classes, draining the poor and the worker's wealth. It's a devilsh, unfair system that keep us down. Only socialism can make a just society like was the Lybia over Qathafi's directly democratic government.

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#60 Mar 3, 2013
Lybia had the greatest HDI of Africa albeit several economic sanctions.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#61 Mar 3, 2013
Neo Szlachta wrote:
<quoted text>
But... Equality of opportunity & Equality of class results are in conflict.
As you create Government programs or legislation to create Equality of result class it really goes against Democracy, Freedom, Opportunity for all ect.
The 1960's Welfare & Civil rights movements was to attempt equality of class.
But it did so in spite of others.... Which isn't freedom of opportunity.
Capitalist wealth is ill-gotten gain. It is necessary the govt redistribute some of what they have gained by exploitation and assorted nefarious practice.

Capitalists are parasites. They curtail the freedom of opportunity of the majority. They control society. They own government. This is feudalism at best.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#62 Mar 3, 2013
Neo Szlachta wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay..... So your ideal seems to be giving Girls a good job / education means good for the Girls.
...
.... Well.... Sure sounds like the Feminist movement of the 1960's.
...
.... Gee.... Do you really think Women are better off today than before the 1960's!?
...
...... I mean 1960's women who were stay at home housewives & mothers were the nrom.
Now single mothers who work are the norm.
...
..... Gee.... Do you think women are better off today than before the 1960's!?
I sure don't.
...
..... Women got their Female Supremacist Feminism they wanted.
Now they got their Worker freedom....
Now they are forced to Work (Usually) unlike before.
Even such attitudes seems to have destroyed Relationships in conflict.
Leading to higher Divorce & Single mothers.
This was all manipulated by corporate power. They squeezed the economy so both parents have to work.

Our feudal lords are trying to take away ALL the gains of the Union movement and any other civil or human right earned since the Magna Carta.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#63 Mar 3, 2013
Darkjaemess wrote:
Capitalism is a parasite system that concentrates all the resources on the upper classes, draining the poor and the worker's wealth. It's a devilsh, unfair system that keep us down. Only socialism can make a just society like was the Lybia over Qathafi's directly democratic government.
Correct until you mentioned the rat bastard Gadoofy. He was a terrorist and abusive bastard who got what he deserved, except that they should have stretched out the torture for a few weeks.

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#65 Mar 3, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
We're no longer producing. We're a nation of consumers. How long can this last?
True! America's problem is her uncontrollable spending, running annual Trillion dollar deficits. Our Debt to GDP ratio already exceeds 100%(which means we are spending more than 100% of our national income); it's unsustainable. And because of the way the system is designed (euphemism for rigged) the income disparity between the rich and poor is growing, creating a more economically imbalanced society with a small percentage of people controlling a preponderance of our society's material wealth. While the average America struggles, the bankers are making a killing.

The upside for America, is that she still leads the world in technological innovation, which is increasing at an exponential speed, plus the recent discovery of Natural gas Shale deposits around the US that should within 10 years free us from dependence on oil imports from the middle east, reducing the cost of domestic energy and turning the US into surplus exporters, increasing our GDP growth. However, the problem are the politicians who are like a impulsive shopaholic women who refuses to curtail her spending; the more revenue we generate, the more they spend. It'll be interesting!

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#67 Mar 3, 2013
Capitalism is good for the tramplers but bad for the trampled.

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#68 Mar 3, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct until you mentioned the rat bastard Gadoofy. He was a terrorist and abusive bastard who got what he deserved, except that they should have stretched out the torture for a few weeks.
What's gained by that torture?

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#69 Mar 3, 2013
Capitalism is the last man standing...so to speak. History has dealt the coup de grace to the skull of communism and socialism is in the ICU on life support.

Capitalism by definition and practice is parasitic, feeding upon the flesh of the masses, but what economic system would you guys implement in it's place to more equitably meet the economic needs of modern society?

And with the Keynesian (Government) interventions in the markets, how is the US model any different from that of China's hybrid of state control/free market economy?
holycrap

Powell, OH

#70 Mar 3, 2013
Cogito2 wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! Of course you do. As my arch-nemesis, you are obligated to disagree with anything that I post. I am not quite sure what egregious sin I have committed to have brought this curse upon me, but I will most certainly atone for it, once it reveals itself to me.
Anyways, that's neither here nor there, here are the facts:
75% of Americans nearing Retirement age (50 to 64) have less than $30K in their retirement accounts. Those below the age of fifty on average, have less than 20k in theirs.
The average IRA balance in the US, even including the wealthy, is $54,863
In order to maintain a living standard into your old age, you need roughly 20x (times) your current annual income in financial income producing assets.(If you earn $100k annually, you need $2 million in assets to continue generating that 100,000 in retirement).
So, though we live in a capitalistic society, or rather we are govern by capitalism as an economic model, most of us are not actually players in the game; we are more like fans in a football stadiums seated in various hierarchical positions from the playing field, depending on each of our assets portfolio.
Most of us do not possess sufficient assets or liquidity to play this game, nor do we have the benefit of LEVERAGING as the REAL players do (leveraging: the borrowing of money to buy more assets). And because we in America, have a standard of living that far exceeds our annual income, we live an illusory existence underwritten by debt.
Most people (black and white) SURVIVE from paycheck to paycheck until they become unemployed or they are drowning in unsustainable debt and then lose all the assets that they own (rather share equitably) with their creditors. Thus, most of us are mere SURVIVALIST living under the aegis of capitalism!
Hi Side! I'm Thorn!!

The point of capitalism is wealth accumulation. In order for this to happen (wealth accumulation), one must use the resources at their disposal AND then be willing to *risk* what they have in hopes of something more and/or better. Obviously you agree with this, correct?

So, if capitalism is about accumulation and risk, how is your example proving we are survivalists? Have you checked out the meaning of a survivalist? You prove your in agreement with capitalism if you have ANY amount in savings.

Now using your example, you could certainly say most of us are failing at accumulation in the sense that our risk level is extremely high for the lifestyles we lead. However, it doesn't prove we are survivalists.

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