Ending the mystery of the Somali origin!

Ending the mystery of the Somali origin!

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The Nephilim

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#1 Jun 4, 2010
First of all I know a lot of will say that "Oh my God, theres hundreds of topics like this!" yes I know but I am making this topic because I want to end this confusion. First who are Somalis and where do they come from? Present day preception: Somalis are African because Somalis is in Africa and they have Black skin. Thats wrong because its like saying Indians/Pakis/Afghans are Asian because they are in Asia and most of them have light skin. Somalis are Hamites, the Hamites are people that have a wide range of geographical location. Hamites live in Africa and in the Middle East and Southern India and Sri Lanka. Hamites include: Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans, Southern Yemenites, Brahui Afghans (dark skinned people of Afghanistan), and the Dravidians of India and Sri Lanka (Tamils, Telugas, etc.), Bejas of Sudan, Berbers of North Africa, the Fallahas of Iraq (who claim descendents of East Africans), etc.
In Biblical standards a Hamite is anyone who is a descendent of any of the sons of Ham: Cush (Ethiopia, Nubia), Mizraim (Egypt), Phunt (Somalia, Libya, Phoenicia), Canaan (Canaanites/Philistines), etc.
Cush had other sons they were: Seba (Sheba/Saba), Havilah, Raamah, Sabtecah, and Nimrod. Nimrod became the king of ancient Sumeria or the "Black headed people", and he was a "mighty hunter before the Lord."
The Nephilim

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#2 Jun 4, 2010
Titus Flavius Josephus (Yosef ben Matiyahu) the Jewish historian wrote about the Cushites in "Antiquities of the Jews" ""For of the four sons of Ham, time has not at all hurt the name of Cush; for the Ethiopians, over whom he reigned, are even at this day, both by themselves and by all men in Asia, called Cushites". This shows that the Hamites were spread out even in Josephus's time.
Exagoge 60-65 by Ezekiel the Tragedian (fragments reproduced in Eusebius) has Zipporah describe herself to Moses as a stranger in the land of Midian, and proceeds to describe the inhabitants of her ancestral lands in Africa:
"Stranger, this land is called Libya {an ancient name for the African continent}. It is inhabited by tribes of various peoples, Ethiopians, dark men. One man is the ruler of the land: he is both king and general. He rules the state, judges the people, and is priest. This man is my father {Jethro} and theirs."
Scholars like Johann Michaelis and Rosenmuller have pointed out that the name Cush was applied to tracts of country on both sides of the Red Sea in the Arabia (Yemen) and in Africa. In the 5th century AD, the Himyarites in the south of Arabia were styled by Syrian writers as Cushaeans and Ethiopians.
Babylonian inscriptions mention the Kashshi or Kassites, and it was once held that this signified a possible explanation of Cush, the ancestor of Nimrod in Genesis chapter 8.
And here is what Herodotus says of the Phoenicians (Punic ancestors of the Somalis)
Herodotus's account (written c. 440 BC) refers to the Io and Europa myths.(History, I:1).
“ According to the Persians best informed in history, the Phoenicians began the quarrel. These people, who had formerly dwelt on the shores of the Erythraean Sea, having migrated to the Mediterranean and settled in the parts which they now inhabit, began at once, they say, to adventure on long voyages, freighting their vessels with the wares of Egypt and Assyria…”.
This shows that the Phoenicians were foriegnors to the Levant. In the Egyptian genesis they talk of a people who used to live on the Persian Gulf.
"Origins in Elam and Punt. The distinctive character of the 1st dynasty, which separates it from all that went before, is the conquest and union of the whole land of Egypt. It became thus subject to the falcon-bearing tribe of Horus, which was the natural enemy of the Aunu, the Set-bearing tribe. This falcon tribe had certainly originated in Elam, as indicated by the hero and lions on the "Araq knife handle". They went down the Persian Gulf and settled in the "horn of Africa." There they named the "Land of Punt," sacred to later Egyptians as the source of the race. The Pun people founded the island fortress of Ha-fun (Hafun in modern day Somalia), which commands the whole of that coast, and hence came the Punic or Phoenic peoples of classical history. Those who went up the Red Sea formed the dynastic invaders of Egypt, entering by the Qocier-Koptos road. Others went on to Syria and founded Tyre, Sidon and Aradus, named after their home islands in the Persian Gulf (Strabo, XVI, iii, 4). This migration formed the basis of the great spread of Puni, by the colonies of Carthage around the Mediterranean, and into the Atlantic on both north and south."--W.M. Flinders Petrie
This shows that the Somalis might have originally come from the Mid East, but since their DNA shows 85% Cushite than they are "Black" and African. But not all Africans have the same features.
The Nephilim

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#3 Jun 4, 2010
There is a certain debate in describing the Puntites, in another he (Josephus Flavius) said that at first they settled in Libya.

Josephus writes: "Phut also was the founder of Libya, and called the inhabitants Phutites (Phoutes), from himself: there is also a river in the country of Moors which bears that name; whence it is that we may see the greatest part of the Grecian historiographers mention that river and the adjoining country by the appellation of Phut (Phoute): but the name it has now has been by change given it from one of the sons of Mezraim, who was called Lybyos." (AotJ Book 1:6/2). Pliny the Elder Nat. Hist. 5.1 and Ptolemy Geog. iv.1.3 both place the river Phuth on the west side of Mauretania (modern Morocco). Ptolemy also mentions a city Putea in Libya (iv.3.39).

"CUSH" means "black" in Hebrew, and the Greek name for CUSH was
"AETHIOPS" (cp. Jer.13:23). Egyptian monumental scriptions call
the land south of Egypt "Keesh" (modern Geez). Tell el Amarna
tablets call this land "Kashi." CUSH" also settled in INDIA
(Hindu Kush; Kashmir; Chushul; Cossoea; Susiana [Chuzistan]) and
became knon as "Asiatic Ethiopian" (Herodotus 3:94). They're
"just like the outhern Ethiopians, except ... their hair is more
straight" Her.7:70; see also Strabo 1:111,119,129). Cush's
portion as "toward the east" in Africa (and India)(Jub.9:1).
fattz

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#4 Jun 4, 2010
Somalians are Half Urangutang Half Alien..................
Barros Serrano

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#5 Jun 4, 2010
There is no link of Somalis with Dravidians, nor any group such as "Hamites".

Somalis are linked genetically overwhelmingly with NE Africans, such as Ethiopians and Nubians.
The Nephilim

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#6 Jun 4, 2010
The Dravidians are Hamites, they are not Indo-Aryan (Indo-European) and their language has similirities with Somali. Not only but why do they look like Somalis too? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidians

According to McAlpin, 20% of Dravidian and Elamite vocabulary are cognates; a further 12% are probable cognates. Elamite and Dravidian possess similar second-person pronouns and parallel case endings. They have identical derivatives, abstract nouns, and the same verb stem+tense marker+personal ending structure. Both have two positive tenses, a "past" and a "non-past". The Elamo-Dravidian Hypothesis is based on several other pieces of evidence. It appears that agriculture developed in the Near East and later spread to the Indus Valley region, suggesting that Elamo-Dravidian agriculturalists may have brought farming from the Near East to the Indus Valley. Later evidence of extensive trade between Elam and the Indus Valley Civilization suggests ongoing links between the two regions. Proponents of the hypothesis noted similarities between the early Harappan script, which has not been definitively deciphered, and early (Proto-)Elamite script that, however, is hardly understood so far.

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#7 Jun 4, 2010
Yes. OMG not this again. Who Cares. All of this so that these Black Skinned people from Africa can dissociate themselves from other Black Skinned Africans.
The Nephilim

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#8 Jun 4, 2010
Ezekiel 27:10 "Persia and Lud (Ludia/Lydia) and Put were in your army as your men of war; they hung the shield and helmet in you; they gave you splendour.

There are very few references in Scripture to Phut (SHD 6316), a word of foreign origin meaning a bow, which suggests that these people were proficient archers along with their cousins the Ludim or Lydians, sons of Mizraim (Egypt). In Jeremiah 46:9 they are described as mighty men or warriors who handle the shield, and in this text appear to be operating as mercenaries in Egypt. In Isaiah 66:19, we also see the name Pul mentioned, which is either a tribe or place in Africa adjacent to or closely associated with Tarshish and Lud, and may in fact be a variant of Put.

The origins of Put/Punt/Phunt which scholars place is that of modern day Somalia. The warlike peoples represent only to groups of Hamites this is the modern day Somalis and Berbers who are described as the warlike peoples who represent as the children of Punt. The peoples of Punt and the Berbers are different in physical features, making Somalis a bit darker to the North African Berbers who have blond/red hair and blue/green eyes, but there is no difference among what geneticists found of the high frequencies of the E1b1b genetic marker that dates back to 10,000 yrs. This DNA genetic marker is very common among the inhabitants of North African and East Africa sometimes called the “Eurasian Adam” as it is a very old DNA marker.

In the pre-Olympian Greek sea god’s name was Pontus and he fathered Oceanus (Oikumene-Okeanos in Greek) Herodotus located that the origin of both Oceanus and Pontus was Mare Erythraeum (Red Sea) Pontus means “Sea” and Oceanus well you already know what that means. The old name for the Gulf of Aden was Pontus and when the Puntites colonized Turkey (Hittites were Hamites) they called the Black Sea “Pontus Euxines”. The Phoenicians were also the same Puntites. Phoenicia is just a Greek-styled name for Punt, like this: Phoenius (means red in Greek), Phoenica, Phoenic, Punic, Pontus, Punt, Put, etc. Phoenius is the Greek word for red and if you put Phoenius with Pontus you get “Red Sea”. The ancient Egyptians who called Punt their land of origin don’t make a difference between the Puntites of Somalia and the other Puntites of modern day Lebanon and they both call them “Pweni/Poeni”.
The Nephilim

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#9 Jun 4, 2010
The Nephilim

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#11 Jun 4, 2010
There was an ancient tradition among the Persians that the Phoenicians migrated from the shores of the Erythræan Sea, and this has been supposed to mean the Persian Gulf; but there was a very old city of Erythia, in utter ruin in the time of Strabo, which was built in some ancient age, long before the founding of Gades, near the site of that town, on the Atlantic coast of Spain. May not this town of Erythia have given its name to the adjacent sea? And this may have been the starting-point of the Phoenicians in their European migrations. It would even appear that there was an island of Erythea. In the Greek mythology the tenth labor of Hercules consisted in driving away the cattle of Geryon, who lived in the island of Erythea, "an island somewhere in the remote west, beyond the Pillars of Hercules." (Murray's "Mythology," p. 257.) Hercules stole the cattle from this remote oceanic island, and, returning drove them "through Iberia, Gaul, over the Alps, and through Italy." (Ibid.) It is probable that a people emigrating from the Erythraean Sea, that is, from the Atlantic, first gave their name to a town on the coast of Spain, and at a later date to the Persian Gulf--as we have seen the name of York carried from England to the banks of the Hudson, and then to the Arctic Circle.
The Nephilim

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#12 Jun 4, 2010
Another important writer from antiquity, Apollonius of Tyana, who is said to have visited India near the end of the first century C.E., was convinced that "The Ethiopians are colonists sent from India, who follow their forefathers in matters of wisdom." The literary work of the early Christian writer Eusebius preserves the tradition that, "In the reign of Amenophis III [the mighty Dynasty XVIII Egyptian king] a body of Ethiopians migrated from the country about the Indus, and settled in the valley of the Nile." And still another document from ancient times, the Itinerarium Alexandri, says that "India, taken as a whole, beginning from the north and embracing what of it is subject to Persia, is a continuation of Egypt and the Ethiopians."
Exceptionally valuable writings reflecting close relationships between Africa and early India have existed for more than two thousand years. In the first century B.C.E., for example, the famous Greek historian Diodorus Siculus penned that, "From Ethiopia he (Osiris) passed through Arabia, bordering upon the Red Sea as far as India.... He built many cities in India, one of which he called Nysa, willing to have remembrance of that (Nysa) in Egypt, where he was brought up."
Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop:
"There are two well-defined Black races: one has a black skin and woolly hair; the other also has black skin, often exceptionally black, with straight hair, aquiline nose, thin lips, an acute cheekbone angle. We find a prototype of this race in India: the Dravidian. It is also known that certain Nubians likewise belong to the same type...Thus, it is inexact, anti-scientific, to do anthropological research, encounter a Dravidian type, and then conclude that the Negro type is absent."
In 1288 and again in 1293 the Venetian traveler Marco Polo visited the Pandyan kingdom and left a vivid description of the land and its people. Polo exclaimed that:
"The darkest man is here the most highly esteemed and considered better than the others who are not so dark. Let me add that in very truth these people portray and depict their gods and their idols black and their devils white as snow. For they say that God and all the saints are black and the devils are all white. That is why they portray them as I have described."
The Dravidians were an unsually advanced seafaring people, with the Cholas, in particular, distinguishing themselves amongst the dominant maritime powers of their era. Through its ports, the great kings of Chola traded with Ethiopia and Somalia, Iran and Arabia, Combodia and China, Sumatra and Sri Lanka, exporting spices and camphor, ebony and ivory, quality textiles and precious jewels.
By race alone however, we can see that the languages of Europe, and the oldest people and civilisation-builders there, were descendants of the Southern peoples of India, categorised as “Dravidians”.
Interestingly, this same Mediterranean race of earlier times that included the Basques, Etruscans and Guanches of Europe, and the Sumerians of the ancient Middle-East share a strong language similarity of ancient Dravidian tongues – showing an even older wave of these people from the region towards the West. This possibly also included, or at least was the origin of the Hamitic people such as the Egyptians, Ethiopians and Somalis of Africa.
There is, in fact, considerable archaeological and anthropological evidence that ancient India was the source of ancient Egyptian civilization. The ancient black Indians, known as "Dravidians",(who in ancient times were also known by the Greeks and Egyptians as "Ethiopians") built and laid out ancient Egyptian civilization and, no doubt, in the process also mixed with their black brethren in Africa. The ancient Egyptians, themselves, admitted in their writings that they received their civilization and culture from the Ethiopians, another black "race".
The Nephilim

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#13 Jun 4, 2010
In ancient times there were known to be two types of Ethiopians, Western Ethiopians, in Africa,(who were black with curly hair and fine features) and their brethren, the Eastern Ethiopians, of India, who also were black with fine features but possessed straight hair. Both Western and Eastern Ethiopians were descended from the biblical Cush, one of the sons of Ham. The Dravidians most likely emigrated from Africa to India and, later, many returned to Africa where they developed ancient Egyptian culture and civilization. An excellent website offering substantial scholarship and historical documentation and evidence that ancient India was the source of Egypt's ancient culture and civilization is "India and Egypt" ( www.hinduwisdom.info/India_and_Egypt.htm ).
Barros Serrano

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#14 Jun 4, 2010
The Nephilim wrote:
The Dravidians are Hamites, they are not Indo-Aryan (Indo-European) and their language has similirities with Somali. Not only but why do they look like Somalis too? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidians
According to McAlpin, 20% of Dravidian and Elamite vocabulary are cognates; a further 12% are probable cognates. Elamite and Dravidian possess similar second-person pronouns and parallel case endings. They have identical derivatives, abstract nouns, and the same verb stem+tense marker+personal ending structure. Both have two positive tenses, a "past" and a "non-past". The Elamo-Dravidian Hypothesis is based on several other pieces of evidence. It appears that agriculture developed in the Near East and later spread to the Indus Valley region, suggesting that Elamo-Dravidian agriculturalists may have brought farming from the Near East to the Indus Valley. Later evidence of extensive trade between Elam and the Indus Valley Civilization suggests ongoing links between the two regions. Proponents of the hypothesis noted similarities between the early Harappan script, which has not been definitively deciphered, and early (Proto-)Elamite script that, however, is hardly understood so far.
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You declare that Dravidians are related to Somalis, and then start talking about Elamite vocabulary! ELAMITES spoke a Dravidian language! We know this! So did Sumer. THAT is where they were from. From the Indus Valley to the Persian Gulf.

NOT Africa. NOT alongside Indoeuropeans in the west (though they were adjacent to them in Iran and India).

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#16 Dec 17, 2010
http://jackgruber.com/athens/iraq-2/ morrocan soccer player in green is like us tamil many i have like him!
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and in ending by the guy those africans in balochistan are a small population the came by slavery and trade there are very few same with bander abbas it is the dravidians who inhabited all southern iran and were in gulf also i dreamt i am same as sultan qaboos but not sayyid and not all dravidians are really dark!so many have beautiful brown colors if u go to a hardware store and u want brown paint do u ask for black black ethiopians i think not we are a different race! the elamities were a not semitic people who came from ham and shem and where do u think the dravidians are today?By 2300 B.C.E., the Mesopotamians wrote that Elam was the country that covered the entire Iranian plateau from the Caspian Sea to the Persian Gulf, including a bit of today's southeastern Iraq. The actual extent of Elam, however, spread much further from Central Asia to Afghanistan, Pakistan and on to the southern shores of the Persian Gulf.

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ending of above post was for another person on another site

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The Nephilim wrote:
First of all I know a lot of will say that "Oh my God, theres hundreds of topics like this!" yes I know but I am making this topic because I want to end this confusion. First who are Somalis and where do they come from? Present day preception: Somalis are African because Somalis is in Africa and they have Black skin. Thats wrong because its like saying Indians/Pakis/Afghans are Asian because they are in Asia and most of them have light skin. Somalis are Hamites, the Hamites are people that have a wide range of geographical location. Hamites live in Africa and in the Middle East and Southern India and Sri Lanka. Hamites include: Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans, Southern Yemenites, Brahui Afghans (dark skinned people of Afghanistan), and the Dravidians of India and Sri Lanka (Tamils, Telugas, etc.), Bejas of Sudan, Berbers of North Africa, the Fallahas of Iraq (who claim descendents of East Africans), etc.
In Biblical standards a Hamite is anyone who is a descendent of any of the sons of Ham: Cush (Ethiopia, Nubia), Mizraim (Egypt), Phunt (Somalia, Libya, Phoenicia), Canaan (Canaanites/Philistines), etc.
Cush had other sons they were: Seba (Sheba/Saba), Havilah, Raamah, Sabtecah, and Nimrod. Nimrod became the king of ancient Sumeria or the "Black headed people", and he was a "mighty hunter before the Lord."
check the pics of tamils u will see they are a different race look at the features yes dark but not kinky haired no matter how dark they get

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Dravidian languages, was carried from Elam to India by eastward migration; this is the view proposed by David McAlpin this man is truthful
last night i dreamt of dark people with straight nose
bridge and with straight white hair when i do a lot of salwaat on the ProphetPBH i see things in my dreams

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