Why Did Some BM Destroy The Union Between BM & BW?

[Carol]

DISASTER LOOMS wrote:

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if willie thompson wins the nyc mayors race d.c., baltimore, philly, and nyc will all have aa mayors. and the governor of massachusetts is aa.
that's a lot of political power on the EC!
that's what you get with growth, and aa arent growing. aa are aborting and fratriciding, and gender warring.
maybe if aa had another afro-option like afro-latinos you might see something different that ain't so toxic.
caribbeans were on the slave ships, too. and some of your biggest icons were full or part caribbean, like garvey, w.e.b dubois, farrakhan and malcolm, and many panthers.

Man get out of here. Go talk to your people whoever they are.

[DISASTER LOOMS]

Shalimarr wrote:

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I think if a million afro-latinos arrived in Jamaica and married in...I think reggae would lose it's quality.
AAS produce a specific for of art and entertainment...It's not about being a black person, it's about being descended from US slavery.
I thinkmaking babies with other black groups, will dilute the inate AA talent pool.
If Afro-latinas were talented we would be reading their books, buying their music in huge numbers around the world...but we aren't. Because they aint got it like that.

but you ain't growing. what's the point of all that talent if you slowly disappearing?
also, nyc has arguably the strongest aa culture in america. and most of that culture is maintained by 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation caribbeans.
hip hop was partially started by caribbean americans, in ny, for example.
also most of the africans come from the cream of their societies, and bring a lot to the table.
this is why the east coast is so interesting. cuz it's not just the numbers, but quality of blacks, who want to build up the neighborhoods.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[Shalimarr]

DISASTER LOOMS wrote:

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but you ain't growing. what's the point of all that talent if you slowly disappearing?
also, nyc has arguably the strongest aa culture in america. and most of that culture is maintained by 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation caribbeans.
hip hop was partially started by caribbean americans, in ny, for example.
also most of the africans come from the cream of their societies, and bring a lot to the table.
this is why the east coast is so interesting. cuz it's not just the numbers, but quality of blacks, who want to build up the neighborhoods.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

It will be interesting to see how things develop.
Many blacks around the world would say too much glory has gone to AAs and it's time for others to have their time in the spot light.

[Dinie]

Capree wrote:

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Frank you are too dam old to be asking the OP such a childish question! Yes it takes 2 to get make a baby, 2 to have a good relationship but it only takes one to fk up and fk-over their partner enough to destroy their relationship.

COSIGN!! Its a shame that most people dont realise this.. And then look to blame others/use others as a cover for their shit!!

[Frank]

Dinie wrote:

COSIGN!! Its a shame that most people dont realise this.. And then look to blame others/use others as a cover for their shit!!

"When an ass climbs a ladder, we may find wisdom in women"---Hebrew proverb

[MrAnderson9]

Shalimarr wrote:

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I disagree, I don't think black men have any more genuine love options than their female counterparts have.
BM may be considered more as sexual objects who other races of women want to experiment with...but your IR relationships are very unsuccessful. A women must view a man a s a person, not merely a sexualised object to love him genuinely.
Also Halle is not a black woman anyway, her issues have nothing to do with black women, she hs a white mother.

That's kind of a biased thing to say.. You can't say it isn't love.. just because it doesn't involve black women. Stop hating, makes you look even stupider.

And as I stated earlier... BW don't have the options so they will stay with anything they have when in IR, and take anything they can get. BM and WW are still in high demand so have options and standards and high expectations like normal same race relationships.

[AfricanAmericaAm bassador]

It was the African bastard from mediatakeout who started all of this.

[Carol]

MrAnderson9 wrote:

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That's kind of a biased thing to say.. You can't say it isn't love.. just because it doesn't involve black women. Stop hating, makes you look even stupider.
And as I stated earlier... BW don't have the options so they will stay with anything they have when in IR, and take anything they can get. BM and WW are still in high demand so have options and standards and high expectations like normal same race relationships.

Is that why WW pay men to be with them....

Also Jlo dumped Pdiddy to chase Ben Afleck, like she had lost her mind...

and Nicole Brown Simpson preferring regular white boys over an...

athlete OJ speaks volumnes.....

Non blk women prefer their own when they're attractive...

and fall back on BM when they know they can't get a white, latino etc man of their own culture...

also they push and support their men to be leaders etc...

they only did it for Obama because his mother is white..

[LION]

IGNORANT NEGROES

support you black owned banks

form small investment groups and find things to invest in

[Dinie]

Shalimarr wrote:

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It will be interesting to see how things develop.
Many blacks around the world would say too much glory has gone to AAs and it's time for others to have their time in the spot light.

Reggae Music has lost its way a long time ago.. Reggae doesn't have the same feel anymore... FYI: PLENTY LATINOS live in J.A, particularly Cubans... Just because they havent made an impact on J.A music, doesnt mean that they havent add influence elsewhere.... Jamaicans give too much credit to Indians... Even though Jamaica isnt highly populated with them and HAS MORE CHINESE! A lot of J.A people have a parent/Grandparent who is Latino or Latino descended.. No biggie.. ;D Reggaeton uses beats from 20+ years ago, it wont threaten the good reggae thats out there...

[AfricanAmericaAm bassador]

Shalimarr wrote:

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It will be interesting to see how things develop.
Many blacks around the world would say too much glory has gone to AAs and it's time for others to have their time in the spot light.

AAs have to seperate from other blacks pronto! It will also be interesting to see how other blacks treat AAs because we all know AAs have always allowed you people into our circles.

[AfricanAmericanA mbassador]

Shalimarr wrote:

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It's good that there will still be lots of black people.
But if America as a whole goes the same way as Boston, the effects will impact the world.
African Americans have made a disprortionate contribution to entertainment, literature and the arts.
There is something very special about true AAs descended from US slavery.
It will be a terrible shame for these talented people to be swallowed up by whites and other black races.

Great comment and filled with truth!

[Capree]

DISASTER LOOMS wrote:

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the incentive for aam to date and marry outside of their race, is getting away from aaw, and the gender war, and the 66% divorce rate, and the blameless narcissism, and other craziness.
aaw will never understand their role and this is precisely why the outcome is a foregone conclusion.
we need to face the fact that the aa community will never be whole, and a large scale breakup between aam and aaw might be the first step to rebuilding something that can.

Amazingly I agree with some but not all that you are saying. Black women who date and marry other men have been called sell-outs and accused of hating black men when the truth is these black women is just getting away from the craziness of black men also. The irresponsibility for life, the selfishness, the game playing and the using.

I agree that a large scale split between black women and black men is unavoidable and much needed because right now both groups are just beating a dead horse.

[AfricanAmericanA mbassador]

DISASTER LOOMS wrote:

<quoted text>and some of your biggest icons were full or part caribbean, like garvey, w.e.b dubois, farrakhan and malcolm, and many panthers.

The vast majority of our icons were and are our fellow AAs.

[Capree]

Aussie Bob wrote:

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You are quite right Ms Capree.

Hey thanks Aussie Bob, I only wish more black men would take a page out your book.

[Shalimarr]

MrAnderson9 wrote:

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That's kind of a biased thing to say.. You can't say it isn't love.. just because it doesn't involve black women. Stop hating, makes you look even stupider.
And as I stated earlier... BW don't have the options so they will stay with anything they have when in IR, and take anything they can get. BM and WW are still in high demand so have options and standards and high expectations like normal same race relationships.

I think this should be a topic that you abstain from.
You are much too biased to speak about BW in any context with WW.
In your eyes white women are so superior to black women that you will never be rational.
In YOUR opinion BW have no options, while white women have the world at their feet, simply becasue YOU have a strong preference for white women.
Black men have no more options than the women who birth them, you guys are faces with the same prejudices. You just aqre too stupid or arrogant to see that being objectified is not "being in demand".
White men have the same options as their females, they are the ones who give WW their prestige.

[Shalimarr]

Dinie wrote:

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Reggae Music has lost its way a long time ago.. Reggae doesn't have the same feel anymore... FYI: PLENTY LATINOS live in J.A, particularly Cubans... Just because they havent made an impact on J.A music, doesnt mean that they havent add influence elsewhere.... Jamaicans give too much credit to Indians... Even though Jamaica isnt highly populated with them and HAS MORE CHINESE! A lot of J.A people have a parent/Grandparent who is Latino or Latino descended.. No biggie.. ;D Reggaeton uses beats from 20+ years ago, it wont threaten the good reggae thats out there...

I disagree.
I think reggae music is magnificent and I think a small Island producing such fantastic music is truly miraculous!

[Cogito2]

Because neither black women nor black men can dictate or define for their opposite gender what each other should desire, value or esteem in their perspective mates. We are free, of course, to express those things that we desire for ourselves, or those things that we fine most ideal or compatiable in a mate, but in the end; we either identify this person from amongst potentially millions and effectively persuade them that their romantic interest are best served by being with you, or stand on the sidelines and bxtch and moan!

Love and romance is not an entitlement program that is due to each us upon demand. We can not lay claim to someone's love and affection simply because of racial or cultural ties. These ties born of our common journey puts us in an advantageous position to negotiate these possibilities, but if we are unable or unwilling to bridge the divide that makes our coexistence untenable, then we can not and should not complain about the net results.

Men, because of our traditional role as the persuer, seem to grasp better the concept of having to meet a burden of proof in order to secure a woman's love that he is desirious of, whereas woman who are traditionally more passive and are more accustom to picking from amongst her petitioners, seem a bit disconnected from this burden of proof thing and can actually treat this requisite as an affront to her dignity.

In the end, non of us, individually or collectively are entitled to anything or anybody. We cannot ask that someone forfeit their potential happiness elsewhere to confer upon us love that we have not proved deserving or incapable of sustaining. In the end, we get what we work for! Period!

[PANMA19]

EazyBreeze wrote:

Why did many black men almost single handedly destroy the strong union between black men and black women for white women or white-like women? Now black men whine and have the nerve to acted betrayed now that some black women are hooking up with white men.
When I was growing up black couples were tight! They had long since won their civil rights, were taking advantages of grants/loans to get their educations, getting good jobs, marrying and raising their black families together. Black people were finally buying homes in nice neighborhoods and had their own form of suburbia. I remember being a child in the late seventies and earlier 80s watching the great parties my parent threw! Everyone was happy and comfortable. Then as a teenager I started seeing more black men running to date white women. Excitingly praising and bragging about white women. Black men were betraying their black wives, black girlfriends and children for no reason except to chase white women. Black men really started ignoring black women's feelings and disrespecting black women but still expected black women to stand by and just take it.
I couldn't believe how black men where stabbing black women in the backs and rubbing their faces in black men's relationships with white women when black women had loved them and had been so damn loyal to black men. White women nor Latinas would have put up such treason from their same race of men that long!
That's why I applaud sisters who are open to dating other races of men and say to black women, not to wait for black love and to be with any race of men that you have a mutual love and respect with.

Actually, it was "our"(black men and women) doing. So,we both tore it down now let's build it back up.

[beautiful black woman]

If black women looked nothing black, black men would not have crossed over. Its our features ladies thats why they crossed over.