Johnny D

Buffalo, NY

#317 Jul 11, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh but it does have bearing. We still can't be sure if Trayvon attacked Zimbo just out of being an aggressive thug wannabe, or if he actually was fearful of Zimbo, or even if Zimbo initiated the physical confrontation.
Whether or not Zimbo identified himself and tried to behave as Neighborhood Watch or as a potentially dangerous vigilante is a big question and that moment of the confrontation, for which we have no witnesses, is crucial to evaluating this.
Let me answer that a different way. If GZ rolled down his window and identified himself to TM or questioned TM, and all the other parts of the night of the shooting happened the same way, what do you think Bernie's closing argument would be?
Bernie would argue that GZ should not have rolled his window down to question TM, but instead GZ should have called 911 or 311 to report suspicious activity as he was trained to do.
Johnny D

Buffalo, NY

#318 Jul 11, 2013
Bernie lied when he said GZ was lying about not remembering the street name, during the video showing Z in the car with the investigator.
When the video first starts Z gives the name of the street, later in the video Z is recounting his conversation with the 311 dispatcher to the investigator, when he said he doesn't know the name of the street.
Bernie repeated that lie several times. I hope the jury or Mark O'Mara caught that and will expose his lie tomorrow.

Not remembering the street name is insignificant and has no bearing on guilt or innocence. GZ was on the phone with 311 and told them to have the police meet him at the clubhouse. Why lie at that point about a street name?

“The sun also rises”

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#321 Jul 11, 2013
aisling- wrote:
If one looks at that supplemental discovery, you see the animal control incidents re a resident of that community allowing their pit bull to run around loose. For that very reason, a person in Law Enforcement recommended that George arm himself so that in the event that he's attacked by that dog, he would be able to protect himself. I believe George originally considered pepper spray but was told that in the even he was attacked, it wouldn't do much good. That's why George armed himself because of some fckwit who allowed his dog to run loose in that community and not because George wanted to be some wannabee Cop.
One might say that had that person been a responsible dog owner, George would never have been carrying.
Z boy is scared of everything that's why he carried a gun plus it made him feel like a cop(he flunked out of law inforcement training) his ADHD distorted his view of reality he should never be allowed to carry a gun ever.

“I'm out hunting”

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For your mind and soul

#323 Jul 11, 2013
iamcuriousnow wrote:
The "Z" boy didn't take the stand-I wonder why?
Because he knows that the prosecution will kill him on the stand with all his lies and inconsistencies

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#325 Jul 12, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Because he knows that the prosecution will kill him on the stand with all his lies and inconsistencies
Is that really how you comprehend, this trial going?

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#329 Jul 12, 2013
Frank from Detroit wrote:
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Ever confronted an angry Pitt-bull without its owner? I'd not feel safe with an AK-47 with one of those animals...even cops and animal control would rather them shot than confronted my brotha...
:^)
9MM.....May not be enough, especially if your late getting it out.....I'd prefer a 12 gauge, side by side......What's the attraction to that breed?...Insecurity?....

“The sun also rises”

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Since: Mar 11

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#330 Jul 12, 2013
Frank from Detroit wrote:
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It's obvious to the black man and woman that the prosecution is winning, only a complete retard can believe that that racist cracka is winning, he killed an innocent 12 year-old child, that was skipping happily home after buying some Skittles and watermelon tea, it was a nice bright sunny-day with birds singing and milk, honey and chocolate was flowing in rivers and from the sky, then everything went bad, a cracka on safari, on big-game hunt, stalked and hunted an innocent child, the clouds formed, it rained blood and the rivers turned red with the blood of the innocent child...
I hate white people and their biased views...
:^)
racist white people live in lala land where all whites are good,honest,upstanding citizens and all blacks are the opposite, They are mentally diseased and need help soon, before they become murderers and serial killers
Billy from Philly

Brooklyn, NY

#331 Jul 12, 2013
Frank from Detroit wrote:
<quoted text>
It's obvious to the black man and woman that the prosecution is winning, only a complete retard can believe that that racist cracka is winning, he killed an innocent 12 year-old child, that was skipping happily home after buying some Skittles and watermelon tea, it was a nice bright sunny-day with birds singing and milk, honey and chocolate was flowing in rivers and from the sky, then everything went bad, a cracka on safari, on big-game hunt, stalked and hunted an innocent child, the clouds formed, it rained blood and the rivers turned red with the blood of the innocent child...
I hate white people and their biased views...
:^)
innocent !!!

12 year-old child !!!

This Boy was not 12 years old and he was far from innocent. He had a crime sheet and was trying to get a gun from 2 other Negros. You call that innocent ? What the F--k are you smoking N-Word !

AND Yes I hope that racist cracka Walks because he's innocent and your a Racist Asshole.
Billy from Philly

Brooklyn, NY

#332 Jul 12, 2013
Frank from Detroit wrote:
I love all people!!!
:^)
You Love All People !!!! LMFWAO

They should take you outside behind the barn and do us all a favor and do away with you.

Please Frank, what ever you do "Don't Breed" !

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#333 Jul 12, 2013
iamcuriousnow wrote:
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Z boy is scared of everything that's why he carried a gun plus it made him feel like a cop(he flunked out of law inforcement training) his ADHD distorted his view of reality he should never be allowed to carry a gun ever.
You're really exagerrating things regarding Zimbo's mental state. ADHD doesn't make one a raving lunatic as you suggest. And adderol or however it's spelled.. I have a relative taking that for ADHD and it mellows him out.

Scared of a pit bull? Who isn't? There are pitbulls living next door to me, and occasionally they get loose. I was in the back yard the other day and looked down and this huge pitbull face was right at my feet. Well, I know dogs and could tell this one was being friendly, but nonetheless I was thinking, I wish I had a pistol with me when the dog comes around, just in case... if one of those grabs your leg, it's over...

And given the number of crazy people out there, I mean you can be walking down the street and someone will jump out and eat your face. Around here there is not high crime, but it exists, and is often armed robbery. This is as likely to come from whites as blacks, so I would not be carrying a gun with any racial presuppositions about who I might have to worry about.

I think Zimbo was a bit out of control as a rambocop wannabe, but to portray him as a psychotic drooling racist on the hunt for black meat... this just doesn't fit the evidence.

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#335 Jul 12, 2013
aisling- wrote:
If one looks at that supplemental discovery, you see the animal control incidents re a resident of that community allowing their pit bull to run around loose. For that very reason, a person in Law Enforcement recommended that George arm himself so that in the event that he's attacked by that dog, he would be able to protect himself. I believe George originally considered pepper spray but was told that in the even he was attacked, it wouldn't do much good. That's why George armed himself because of some fckwit who allowed his dog to run loose in that community and not because George wanted to be some wannabee Cop.
One might say that had that person been a responsible dog owner, George would never have been carrying.
Were this jury to convict zimbo of any charge, there will be appeals and this discovery problem is one basis for them.

Also the judge's refusal to allow things into evidence which would shed light on Trayvon's character (a wannabe gangsta) would be grounds for appeal.

The crucial evidence on which to make a determnination in this case is missing. That is, an eyewitness account of the initial encounter, the beginning of the fight.

Lacking that, we may all reasonably entertain some reasonable doubt about what happened, and whether Zimbo is in fact culpable. But... we LACK that evidence. A person cannot be convicted when there is reasonable doubt. The lack of that evidence constitutes that reasonable doubt. No evidence produced by the prosecutor has been sufficient to warrant a conviction.
Anti-Fascism

United States

#336 Jul 12, 2013
iamcuriousnow wrote:
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Zboy didn't "have" to go through anything he willing shot and killed Trayvon.He didn't have to be carrying,especially under a doctors care,he didn't have to approach Travon he could have called for the cops,he had options but Trayvon didn't.I won't lose one second of my time sympathizing with Z boy or any member of his family.
He was carrying for his self-defense, which is his right. It doesn't matter what your misled opinion is on that.

Zimmerman did call the police, quite a bit before any physical confrontation even happened. It's all over the 'net and TV.

Where are you getting this false information from?

Trayvon had a phone that night and willingly chose not to call the police, even minutes before he assaulted Zimmerman.
Anti-Fascism

United States

#337 Jul 12, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
You're really exagerrating things regarding Zimbo's mental state. ADHD doesn't make one a raving lunatic as you suggest. And adderol or however it's spelled.. I have a relative taking that for ADHD and it mellows him out.
Scared of a pit bull? Who isn't? There are pitbulls living next door to me, and occasionally they get loose. I was in the back yard the other day and looked down and this huge pitbull face was right at my feet. Well, I know dogs and could tell this one was being friendly, but nonetheless I was thinking, I wish I had a pistol with me when the dog comes around, just in case... if one of those grabs your leg, it's over...
And given the number of crazy people out there, I mean you can be walking down the street and someone will jump out and eat your face. Around here there is not high crime, but it exists, and is often armed robbery. This is as likely to come from whites as blacks, so I would not be carrying a gun with any racial presuppositions about who I might have to worry about.
I think Zimbo was a bit out of control as a rambocop wannabe, but to portray him as a psychotic drooling racist on the hunt for black meat... this just doesn't fit the evidence.
Even if being a racist were a crime, they *still* couldn't rightly bring him to trial over such a thing. Zimmermans' best friend is 'African-American', last I saw/heard, of whom is backing Zimmerman in this case as well.

He knows Zimmerman more than anyone else on this forum or across the country, sitting in their homes, judging him from afar... yet many of them still keep on going with this "racist" thing.

His friend looks and sounds very competent and intelligent, and he's still friends with Zimmerman.

The way these people are trying to demonize Zimmerman, you'd soon think his friends would be mentally ill racists on the street, many to be found in mental institutions.

It's truly amazing how far these people are being led, all based on their emotions, not actual facts.

Pretty scary when one thinks about it; how the partial-truth telling propagandists can have such power over these people.

It's no real mystery as to how corruption (on all sides) keeps getting voted into office.
Anti-Fascism

United States

#338 Jul 12, 2013
bitterSWEET910 wrote:
<quoted text>
I attempted to respond to you previously...trying again.
My orginal response that didnt post stated that I was going to assume since Sanj was assuming. That is why I speculated about Zimm trying to detain trayvon.
Apparently, from video clips of interviews...Serino thought this was a possibility also. He mentioned an anonymous caller in one interview with zimm. I think he was lying to get zimm to confess and this would answer how the fight really started because zimms story makes no sense. He said the anonymous witness saw zimm trying to detain tm and thats how the fight started. I found no proof that this line of questioning went further.
Let's just imagine (which is all we can do now) that Zimmerman did jump on Trayvon and tried to detain him: the evidence still shows that Trayvon easily overpowered Zimmerman, thus giving Trayvon the advantage of jumping up and running off to get help... yet he did not.

Even if one grabs you, yet you can easily overpower them, then start beating on them, and you willingly choose to keep fighting out of sheer anger, yet refuse to get up and run for help, then this can turn you into the criminal as well. Both of you would be going to jail for it, if both lived.

Again, we should never convict someone merely based upon [biased] stories and [biased] imaginations.

Both of these scenarios happen all of the time around the world:

Criminal-thugs *do* attack innocent people first; then [falsely] claim that they [the criminal] had to defend themselves.

Innocent people *do* get attacked on the street by criminal-thugs, all the time, and then have to use deadly force to protect their physical well-being and life.

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I can never just vote to convict the defendant based upon emotionally-backed bias.

“I'm out hunting”

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#339 Jul 12, 2013
Billy from Philly wrote:
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innocent !!!
12 year-old child !!!
This Boy was not 12 years old and he was far from innocent. He had a crime sheet and was trying to get a gun from 2 other Negros. You call that innocent ? What the F--k are you smoking N-Word !
AND Yes I hope that racist cracka Walks because he's innocent and your a Racist Asshole.
Trayvon had no rap sheet whereas your boy pleaded guilty to assaulting a cop.
Billy from Philly

Brooklyn, NY

#340 Jul 13, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Trayvon had no rap sheet whereas your boy pleaded guilty to assaulting a cop.


Trayvon Martin, the troubled teenager who was killed by George Zimmerman, an Hispanic, had the start of an impressive rap sheet. In fact, from what we know now, had he not been getting repeatedly in trouble, he would not have been suspended from school and been where he was on the day when Mr. Zimmerman noticed him acting suspiciously. While the complete facts of the case have been slow in coming out, originally the story was akin to sweet, innocent Trayvon was merrily skipping along and pick posies when he was brutally murdered by a white racist, we have learned a lot more than what was originally reported. And while the overall guilt or innocence of both Trayvon and Mr. Zimmerman have yet to be completely shown, the pendulum has certainly swung more in George Zimmermanís favor. With that swing however, the perpetually aggrieved have once again taken to the streets trying, oh so desperately trying, to regain control of the narrative. While this certainly seems to now be impossible, considering what we know now, they are still trying hard to accomplish said task. There are rallies and even bounties by the same and usual suspects as always. It is fashionable for them to paint George Zimmerman as a monster, but where the truth about the little thug known as Trayvon is never uttered out of respect for the politically correct narrative. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the Black Panthers, etc have all watched theirs latest cause celeb turn to ash in their mouths as they were taking a bite from the fruit they though would gush with delicious juice. And like the Duke rape case, they are all looking for a way out. But that wonít stop them from stirring up some animosity along the way. And in their wake will be left more pain and suffering as those that follow them blindly wreak havoc. Of course, Al Sharpton knows a thing or two about that and how rhetoric over a lie can cause death.- See more at: http://www.libertyreborn.com/2012/04/02/trayv...

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#341 Jul 13, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Trayvon had no rap sheet whereas your boy pleaded guilty to assaulting a cop.
Trayvon had a lengthy record with School District Police....even punched a school bus driver.....His texts showed how much he loved fighting and his plan to pay $80 for a stolen handgun, from his thug friends.....Facts are fun.....
Billy from Philly

Brooklyn, NY

#342 Jul 13, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Trayvon had a lengthy record with School District Police....even punched a school bus driver.....His texts showed how much he loved fighting and his plan to pay $80 for a stolen handgun, from his thug friends.....Facts are fun.....
Thank You

They have no answer to that do they !

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#343 Jul 13, 2013
Billy from Philly wrote:
<quoted text>Thank You
They have no answer to that do they !
Probably not....he was headed down the wrong path....Wonder if he'd have survived Trayvon, without a gun?.....
Billy from Philly

Brooklyn, NY

#344 Jul 13, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> Probably not....he was headed down the wrong path....Wonder if he'd have survived Trayvon, without a gun?.....
That's another good reason Mr. Z should go FREE.

This kind of shooting was in it's making years ago. How long do you think that a black man jumping any man was going to go on without a black getting shot?

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