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moorish73

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#1 Jan 5, 2011
moorish73

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#2 Jan 5, 2011

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#3 Jan 5, 2011
moorish73 wrote:
http://amica.davidrumsey.com/l una/servlet/view/search?q=AMIC OID=BMFA.54.1431%20LIMIT:AMICO ~1~1&sort=INITIALSORT_CRN% 2COCS%2CAMICOID&search=Sea rch
http://www.jstor.org/pss/4171272
moors defending their castle in germany
So you believe that the Moors had a castle in Germany?? Do you have any historical documentation?
moorish73

United States

#5 Jan 5, 2011
Garrig wrote:
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So you believe that the Moors had a castle in Germany?? Do you have any historical documentation?
Ive proven much more than that on topix in these years and its a lose lose scenario no matter how much i reference things...i believe some families did. Read the names of the tapestries and research them. Moors had castles in spain the same time period. We know moors were royalty in the british isles..i reference david macritchie ancietn and modern britons.. Prove that all ancient families at that time period in history in that geographic location were white!! Its easy to assume that they are white...however many german possess very dark features hinting at their black ancestry.

Its a lose situation if i subject myself to u or anyone as an authority over history. Its my assertion much has been hidden about every field of research including history just as cheaper energy sources in science. I lose meaning if i do "prove it" the following will be said about it or assumed:

The reference is from a bogus website..even though the reference might have came from a source older than the age of computer..hell it could be a reference from a hundred years ago. But its still bogus .

the author is a lunatic..yes a psychological evaluation from someone about a person they never met from another landmass hundres of years later...and my author is crazy right lol...

oh so what..even if he is black what difference does it make. Its his character that counts.

my favorite...the lone black person theory..yes someone has managed to capture the one black person in europe..depict them as royal or people of high status just because....

its afrocentric source..another favorite of mine.. yes a white author before afrocentrism was even thought up has managed to create volumes of books of black presence around the world and its now credited as afrocentric because a black person is using it as a reference. Whenever somebody no matter what race, prejudice creed etc etc. mentions black people in a place at a certain time other than slavery it has to be afrocentric.
moorish73

United States

#6 Jan 5, 2011
barack and michelle obama were black and they lived in the white house....thats afrocentric too i guess
moorish73

United States

#7 Jan 5, 2011
Queen Victoria wrote:
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1: The Moors head appears in European heraldry to signify participation in the crusades, not because they were Moors.
2: Your ancestors were from West Africa and did not participate in any way with the Moorish conquests, your concept of geography and history is chronically lacking.
my bloodline didn't just appear out of thin air...it didn't bubble up thru the dirt in west africa either. I know where my family is from.

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#8 Jan 5, 2011
moorish73 wrote:
<quoted text> Ive proven much more than that on topix in these years and its a lose lose scenario no matter how much i reference things...i believe some families did. Read the names of the tapestries and research them. Moors had castles in spain the same time period. We know moors were royalty in the british isles..i reference david macritchie ancietn and modern britons.. Prove that all ancient families at that time period in history in that geographic location were white!! Its easy to assume that they are white...however many german possess very dark features hinting at their black ancestry.
Its a lose situation if i subject myself to u or anyone as an authority over history. Its my assertion much has been hidden about every field of research including history just as cheaper energy sources in science. I lose meaning if i do "prove it" the following will be said about it or assumed:
The reference is from a bogus website..even though the reference might have came from a source older than the age of computer..hell it could be a reference from a hundred years ago. But its still bogus .
the author is a lunatic..yes a psychological evaluation from someone about a person they never met from another landmass hundres of years later...and my author is crazy right lol...
oh so what..even if he is black what difference does it make. Its his character that counts.
my favorite...the lone black person theory..yes someone has managed to capture the one black person in europe..depict them as royal or people of high status just because....
its afrocentric source..another favorite of mine.. yes a white author before afrocentrism was even thought up has managed to create volumes of books of black presence around the world and its now credited as afrocentric because a black person is using it as a reference. Whenever somebody no matter what race, prejudice creed etc etc. mentions black people in a place at a certain time other than slavery it has to be afrocentric.
I haven't seen you on here for the longest time. I remmeber that I did learn some things from you about the Moors having certain Black or mixed leaders which I was able to confirm. I'm just trying to keep an open mind. I never heard of Moors reaching Germany before. So I would like to hear more on it. I would tend to think that the tapestries may have been depictions of German mercenaries who fought on the side of Christians in Spain??

I understand your frustation about being pigeon holed with the whole Afrocentric thing. But you have to understand so many are spreading irreposnisble disnformation and nonsense under the banner of Afrocentrism, that the very term itself and unfortunately anything that makes claims for hitherto unknown Black history or achievement has fallen into ill repute.

About David Macritchie his works date from the 1880s. How reliable is that? We know that many of the earlier settlers in the British isles were mediterranean people from Iberian. And their phenotype still exists today in Wales and in certain parts of Ireland and Scottland. Genetics and archaeology bear this out. But this idea that they were Black Africans or Egyptians just isn't corroborated.
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#9 Jan 5, 2011
Oh boo hoo nobody accepts his fantasy cult beliefs.

There were no MOORS ruling north of Spain and Sicily. They were defeated at Poitiers and pushed back into Iberia. End of story.

Heraldic heads, a 19th century book (same group who believed Egypt was Nordic, etc.) don't mean a THING!

The majority of Moors were BERBERS, and not black ones. How many depictions made in SPAIN at the time must we see to establish this? I've seen plenty of them.

We have complete lists of the kings and dukes who ruled Europe throughout. No Moors.
moorish73

United States

#10 Jan 5, 2011
Garrig wrote:
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I haven't seen you on here for the longest time. I remmeber that I did learn some things from you about the Moors having certain Black or mixed leaders which I was able to confirm. I'm just trying to keep an open mind. I never heard of Moors reaching Germany before. So I would like to hear more on it. I would tend to think that the tapestries may have been depictions of German mercenaries who fought on the side of Christians in Spain??
I understand your frustation about being pigeon holed with the whole Afrocentric thing. But you have to understand so many are spreading irreposnisble disnformation and nonsense under the banner of Afrocentrism, that the very term itself and unfortunately anything that makes claims for hitherto unknown Black history or achievement has fallen into ill repute.
About David Macritchie his works date from the 1880s. How reliable is that? We know that many of the earlier settlers in the British isles were mediterranean people from Iberian. And their phenotype still exists today in Wales and in certain parts of Ireland and Scottland. Genetics and archaeology bear this out. But this idea that they were Black Africans or Egyptians just isn't corroborated.
http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/92-10-828-0...

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#11 Apr 4, 2011
Barros Serrano wrote:
Oh boo hoo nobody accepts his fantasy cult beliefs.
There were no MOORS ruling north of Spain and Sicily. They were defeated at Poitiers and pushed back into Iberia. End of story.
Heraldic heads, a 19th century book (same group who believed Egypt was Nordic, etc.) don't mean a THING!
The majority of Moors were BERBERS, and not black ones. How many depictions made in SPAIN at the time must we see to establish this? I've seen plenty of them.
We have complete lists of the kings and dukes who ruled Europe throughout. No Moors.
the moors are black
Golden Lion

Charlotte, NC

#12 Apr 4, 2011
abu shama described the masmuda berbers as black africans who ruled several parts of spain and southern portuguel. They were moors (almohads).
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#14 Apr 4, 2011
Scientific evidence, as you liars know, has proven that the Berbers are Eurasians, and most Moors were Berbers.

They are the same people living in North Africa today.
moflard

Pamplona, Spain

#15 Apr 5, 2011
Nice tapestry, but is it representing a castle IN Germany, or merely of German manufacture? I have to say I tend to believe the latter, not the former, although I canīt think of a reason why black mercenaries couldnīt have served in Europe during the period.
Golden Lion

Charlotte, NC

#16 Apr 5, 2011
IF the moors were not black, then give me some early descriptions of their contemporaries describing them as anything other than black or mulato. All of their physcial descriptions were that they were black.
Early writers of the era (shakespeare, marlowe, song of roland) describe their moors as black.
And a person can be black as tar but still have a eurasiond dna sequence (like ethiopians and sudanese).
ave

Washington, DC

#17 Jan 14, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
Oh boo hoo nobody accepts his fantasy cult beliefs.
There were no MOORS ruling north of Spain and Sicily. They were defeated at Poitiers and pushed back into Iberia. End of story.
Heraldic heads, a 19th century book (same group who believed Egypt was Nordic, etc.) don't mean a THING!
The majority of Moors were BERBERS, and not black ones. How many depictions made in SPAIN at the time must we see to establish this? I've seen plenty of them.
We have complete lists of the kings and dukes who ruled Europe throughout. No Moors.
All you have done is run off at the mouth yet you have provided nothing to back your statements,which is typical of ignorant white people.
On the other hand the black guy has provided historical depictions . I can do you one better and provide a whole website dedicated to this truth in which you can not debunk is boo hoo again showing how ignorant and childish you are. I've never met you and can tell you are an complete idiot. By the way the founder of Europe were black.Moor is just a word they use to describe blacks in Europe.As the OP posted you see the wild man(white barbaric cave dweller)attacking the Blacks(civilized intelligent literate people). You can't disprove or discredit it with your ignorant tongue rants,so unless you are providing facts, shut your mouth. http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/an... .
ave

Washington, DC

#18 Jan 14, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
Scientific evidence, as you liars know, has proven that the Berbers are Eurasians, and most Moors were Berbers.
They are the same people living in North Africa today.
Do you mean the racist scientific dna test that were set up by people like Carleton coon to separate people and make everyone white?Do you even know who created dna test and why they did so and how they construct their results?No you do not. They said king tut was r1b right.for years you were relying on the DNA chart and you knew in your heart now that he was r1b he had to be white. Well news flash as of the beginning of last year they have updated the DNA database,now Black Africans with no white ancestry in central africa are also under the r1b haplo type. So you have no idea what dna really is. So no longer can you lean on dna in hope to prove someone as white.Ethiopians are categorized as Caucasian.How can someone who has never been to the caucus mountains be Caucasian?A Caucasian is an asian from the caucus. white people invaded europe.They originated closer to India and they were outcast which is why they went to europe.Followingg their invasian was the greek dark ages.Because they couldn't read nor write.Now how the hell can someone read and write for centuries then all of a sudden there be a dark age.Man you whiteys have created some great illusions to live in.By the way ask a Ethiopian what are they?I know plenty of them personnaly and when I tell them that science says they are caucasian they look at me like i'm stupid and they tell me they are black africans. So I'll take thier word since the 1st mand did come out of africa and not the other way around.White people want to be black so bad it's sad really.
Lion

Charlotte, NC

#19 Jan 14, 2012
ave wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you mean the racist scientific dna test that were set up by people like Carleton coon to separate people and make everyone white?Do you even know who created dna test and why they did so and how they construct their results?No you do not. They said king tut was r1b right.for years you were relying on the DNA chart and you knew in your heart now that he was r1b he had to be white. Well news flash as of the beginning of last year they have updated the DNA database,now Black Africans with no white ancestry in central africa are also under the r1b haplo type. So you have no idea what dna really is. So no longer can you lean on dna in hope to prove someone as white.Ethiopians are categorized as Caucasian.How can someone who has never been to the caucus mountains be Caucasian?A Caucasian is an asian from the caucus. white people invaded europe.They originated closer to India and they were outcast which is why they went to europe.Followingg their invasian was the greek dark ages.Because they couldn't read nor write.Now how the hell can someone read and write for centuries then all of a sudden there be a dark age.Man you whiteys have created some great illusions to live in.By the way ask a Ethiopian what are they?I know plenty of them personnaly and when I tell them that science says they are caucasian they look at me like i'm stupid and they tell me they are black africans. So I'll take thier word since the 1st mand did come out of africa and not the other way around.White people want to be black so bad it's sad really.
Good work. You said it alot better then I did. I hae told barros that a very black person can carry what we call a eurasion or caucasion dna sequnece.
brbr

Leiden, Netherlands

#20 Dec 6, 2012
moorish73 wrote:
barack and michelle obama were black and they lived in the white house....thats afrocentric too i guess
what if i told you

Obama is half white half black.

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Since: Sep 12

Kinshasa, Congo, The Democratic Republic of the

#21 Dec 7, 2012
"brbr"
what if i told you
Obama is half white half black.

KiloEcho replies

White people are so funny.

They are so proud of the mixed offspring with Africans who are rich, powerful, famous and brilliant.

I guess the one drop rule does not apply to North Africans, East Africans, West Africans with a great history or a rich heritage.

What happened to the the following rule.

One drop rule

One drop rule

One drop rule

Mulattoes, quadroons, octoroons are Black people, not part White.

White people have never regarded colored people as part White.

They have black ancestors. Therefore, they are black because their blood is tainted with the blood of the sub-human race, the Black race.

White people should stop claiming Barack Obama as their cousin.

He looks Black. He is a Black man.
Nagas74

Tampa, FL

#22 Aug 3, 2013
moorish73 wrote:
<quoted text> Ive proven much more than that on topix in these years and its a lose lose scenario no matter how much i reference things...i believe some families did. Read the names of the tapestries and research them. Moors had castles in spain the same time period. We know moors were royalty in the british isles..i reference david macritchie ancietn and modern britons.. Prove that all ancient families at that time period in history in that geographic location were white!! Its easy to assume that they are white...however many german possess very dark features hinting at their black ancestry.
Its a lose situation if i subject myself to u or anyone as an authority over history. Its my assertion much has been hidden about every field of research including history just as cheaper energy sources in science. I lose meaning if i do "prove it" the following will be said about it or assumed:
The reference is from a bogus website..even though the reference might have came from a source older than the age of computer..hell it could be a reference from a hundred years ago. But its still bogus .
the author is a lunatic..yes a psychological evaluation from someone about a person they never met from another landmass hundres of years later...and my author is crazy right lol...
oh so what..even if he is black what difference does it make. Its his character that counts.
my favorite...the lone black person theory..yes someone has managed to capture the one black person in europe..depict them as royal or people of high status just because....
its afrocentric source..another favorite of mine.. yes a white author before afrocentrism was even thought up has managed to create volumes of books of black presence around the world and its now credited as afrocentric because a black person is using it as a reference. Whenever somebody no matter what race, prejudice creed etc etc. mentions black people in a place at a certain time other than slavery it has to be afrocentric.
Thank you. That's the most sincere post I have seen on topix in a long time. 100% Truth.

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