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Frying Your Brains

Harrisburg, PA

#1 Sep 19, 2012
Each year, Mexico honors Irish-American Saint Patrick’s Brigade (San Patricios)

From behind the bullet-scarred walls of an ancient fortress, the wail of bagpipes and a thundering bass drum echoed through a plaza in the center of Mexico City.

Passers-by stopped in their tracks. Children craned for a look as a platoon of Mexican bagpipers marched through the gates in tribute to a strange and divisive chapter of Irish-American history.

The bagpipers play each month in honor of the St. Patrick Battalion, a group of 600 Irish-American soldiers who switched sides to fight for Mexico in the 1846-1848 Mexican-American War. Mexico lost half its territory to the United States as a result of the war.

To the United States, the deserters are traitors. But to Mexicans, the “Irish martyrs” are heroes, honored in street names, plaques and St. Patrick’s Day celebrations around the country. The battalion’s name is written in gold letters in the chamber of Mexico’s House of Representatives, and a ceremony is held in a Mexico City park every year to commemorate the executions of the group’s members.

“It’s a little bit of a weird twist on history ... and quite romantic for the Irish community,” said Myles Doherty, the Irish consul in Mexico City.

http://mexicotrucker.com/mexico-honors-irish-...

J-Town Ninja OhH YeE AhH

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#2 Sep 19, 2012
interesting, didnt know that... irish americans were 2nd class citizens at the same level as blacks, so not shocking
Barros Serrano

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#3 Sep 19, 2012
A great and honorable chapter in the history of the Irish people! Seeing that the war was illegal, that the USA was clearly the aggressor, and that the abuse of Mexico by colonial powers, including the USA, was analogous to the abuse of Ireland by England, these Irish soldiers chose right over might, followed their conscience and fought for the correct side.

Read what Abe Lincoln said in Congress about Pres. Polk's prosecution of the “Mexican War”(War of Gringo Aggression). The Irish soldiers weren't the only ones who saw things as they really were.
Alfonso De La Vega

Harrisburg, PA

#4 Sep 19, 2012
J-Town Ninja OhH YeE AhH wrote:
interesting, didnt know that... irish americans were 2nd class citizens at the same level as blacks, so not shocking
There is a film based on that historical event titled: "One Man's Hero".
Barros Serrano

United States

#5 Sep 19, 2012
J-Town Ninja OhH YeE AhH wrote:
interesting, didnt know that... irish americans were 2nd class citizens at the same level as blacks, so not shocking
It is indeed lamentable that Irish immigrants in NYC erroneously acquired the perception that blacks were their enemy, and killed a number of black people in the famous draft riots.

The Irish, fresh off the boat, half-starved, refugees from a genocide-by-famine being committed by the English govt against Ireland, were told they were about to be drafted to go fight for the freedom of blacks held in slavery in the South.

While today we rightly see this fight as a noble cause (“As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free...”, and so on), the Irish had essentially just taken 2 steps out of slavery themselves and resented that the burden of freeing the black Yanks was suddenly laid upon them.

Very wrongly, anger turned against black people in NYC and quite a few were murdered (lynched) by Irish mobs in the streets.

Naturally I would prefer that blacks and irish had united, as they had a common cause, against a similar oppression, committed by the same class of people (aristocratic Eurofarts). Irish soldiers perceived their natural solidarity with Mexico, but the Irish immigrants failed to perceive that the blacks they were attacking were their natural allies, not their enemies, certainly not their oppressors.
Alfonso De La Vega

Harrisburg, PA

#6 Sep 19, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
A great and honorable chapter in the history of the Irish people! Seeing that the war was illegal, that the USA was clearly the aggressor, and that the abuse of Mexico by colonial powers, including the USA, was analogous to the abuse of Ireland by England, these Irish soldiers chose right over might, followed their conscience and fought for the correct side.
Read what Abe Lincoln said in Congress about Pres. Polk's prosecution of the “Mexican War”(War of Gringo Aggression). The Irish soldiers weren't the only ones who saw things as they really were.
That's true. It was condemned internationally as a flagrant unjustified attack by a stronger nation against weaker one in order to steal its land.

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#7 Sep 20, 2012
What present USA States were part of Mexico in the past?

The whole states of California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas, as well as parts of Wyoming, Colorado, Oklahoma and Kansas.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_present_USA_St...

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#8 Sep 20, 2012
Frying Your Brains wrote:
Each year, Mexico honors Irish-American Saint Patrick’s Brigade (San Patricios)
From behind the bullet-scarred walls of an ancient fortress, the wail of bagpipes and a thundering bass drum echoed through a plaza in the center of Mexico City.
Passers-by stopped in their tracks. Children craned for a look as a platoon of Mexican bagpipers marched through the gates in tribute to a strange and divisive chapter of Irish-American history.
The bagpipers play each month in honor of the St. Patrick Battalion, a group of 600 Irish-American soldiers who switched sides to fight for Mexico in the 1846-1848 Mexican-American War. Mexico lost half its territory to the United States as a result of the war.
To the United States, the deserters are traitors. But to Mexicans, the “Irish martyrs” are heroes, honored in street names, plaques and St. Patrick’s Day celebrations around the country. The battalion’s name is written in gold letters in the chamber of Mexico’s House of Representatives, and a ceremony is held in a Mexico City park every year to commemorate the executions of the group’s members.
“It’s a little bit of a weird twist on history ... and quite romantic for the Irish community,” said Myles Doherty, the Irish consul in Mexico City.
http://mexicotrucker.com/mexico-honors-irish-...
It's not twisted. Remember back in the 1800's the Irish were seen as second class citizens and there was a strong anti catholic sentiment in the States. Some Irish would have felt more accepted in Latin catholic countries which is why Latin America has seen a fair amount of Irish Immigrants not just Mexico but Chile, Argentina. Hell Che Guevara was part Irish his grandmother's last name was Lynch.

If want you to know something even more intriguing,Éamon de Valera, the former prime minister of Ireland was himself part Cuban.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89amon_de_Va...
Barros Serrano

United States

#9 Sep 20, 2012
There is a natural affinity for Spain on the part of Irish also because of the hostility between Spain and England.

I'm sure the Irish were cheering for the Armada.
Cogito Ergo Sum

Harrisburg, PA

#10 Sep 23, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
There is a natural affinity for Spain on the part of Irish also because of the hostility between Spain and England.
I'm sure the Irish were cheering for the Armada.
How did they treat those Spaniards that were stranded on Irish soil when shiprecked off the coast of Ireland during that Armada incident?
cloudweller

Pittsburgh, PA

#12 May 10, 2013

The Irish Catholics sad story at the expense of English and Protestant Americans must be required reading in school systems.
The blacks in America have invented and accomplished nothing since they were sold by there own African chiefs to Brits/Spaniards and others.
The Irish Catholics and Amerinds are the people who were murdered in huge numbers,but never asked for handouts...welfare.
Most blacks have ruined America as it is today.
The black on White crime FBI stats are revolting.A change must come.
Lucy Liu

Laredo, TX

#13 May 10, 2013
Yay! Kiss me I'm Irish. Feliz Cinco de Mayo!!!! Good imformative post.

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#14 May 10, 2013
Lucy Liu wrote:
Yay! Kiss me I'm Irish. Feliz Cinco de Mayo!!!! Good imformative post.
Muchas gracias!

This is a free film based on that historical event.

One Man's Hero part 1

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#15 May 10, 2013
cloudweller wrote:
The Irish Catholics sad story at the expense of English and Protestant Americans must be required reading in school systems.
The blacks in America have invented and accomplished nothing since they were sold by there own African chiefs to Brits/Spaniards and others.
The Irish Catholics and Amerinds are the people who were murdered in huge numbers,but never asked for handouts...welfare.
Most blacks have ruined America as it is today.
The black on White crime FBI stats are revolting.A change must come.
Is there ANY topic you cannot turn into an idiotic diatribe against black people?

Shut your damned mouth.

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#16 May 10, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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Is there ANY topic you cannot turn into an idiotic diatribe against black people?
Shut your damned mouth.
Similar to Cato's habit of finishing every public speech with:

"....and Carthage must be destroyed!"

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#17 May 10, 2013
Saint Patrick's Battalion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick 's_Battalion
Most of the battalion's members had deserted or defected from the U.S. Army. Made up primarily of ethnic Irish and German Catholic immigrants, the battalion ... For Americans of the generation that fought the Mexican-American War, the San ...

Library : The Irish Soldiers of Mexico - Catholic Culture
http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/librar...
One of the least-known stories of the Irish who came to America in the 1840s is that of the Irish battalion that fought on the Mexican side in the U.S.-Mexico War ...

Fogarty, Jaime: "The St. Patricio Battalion: The Irish Soldiers of Mexico"
http://www.irlandeses.org/sanpatriciosB.htm
Following the US declaration of war against Mexico in 1846, an Irish-born deserter from the US army, John O'Reilly, organized a company of soldiers at ...

THE IRISH IN OTHER WARS AND ARMIES - Illyria
http://www.illyria.com/irish/iowa.html
Remains of 18 Irish-born U.S. Soldiers Repatriated After War. The Irish in Korea ... Irishmen Who Switched Sides During the Mexican-American War. The San ...

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#18 May 11, 2013
Irish Ambassador to Mexico Sean 0'Huighinn emphasized the bonds of friendship that the "San Patricios" have forged between the two countries, and which continue to grow and prosper. He noted that Ireland and Mexico shared a common history of struggle to preserve their cultural identities and political liberties, often threatened by powerful and aggressive neighbors. He also paid tribute to the humanitarian insights of the San Patricios who, "despite the confusion and animosities of war, were able to discern the admirable qualities of the Mexican people, unclouded by preconceived notions of racial prejudice."

In this context, he quoted the leader of the San Patricios, John O'Reilly (also written Riley) who wrote: "Do not be deceived by the prejudice of a nation at war with Mexico, because you will not find in all the world a people more friendly and hospitable than the Mexicans." [3]

http://www.irlandeses.org/sanpatriciosB.htm
Phoenix

Houston, TX

#19 May 11, 2013
Brainiac2 wrote:
What present USA States were part of Mexico in the past?

The whole states of California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas, as well as parts of Wyoming, Colorado, Oklahoma and Kansas.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_present_USA_St...
Spain controlled large part of the present day USA. Conquistadors were quite powerful indeed.

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#20 May 11, 2013
On 12 September 1997, the Mexican government paid special tribute to the soldiers of the San Patricio Battalion who were tortured and hanged at the San Jacinto Plaza, San Ángel, in 1847.

Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo presided at the ceremonies marking the sesquicentennial of that tragic event and declared: "One hundred and fifty years ago, here in San Ángel,... members of the St. Patricks Battalion were executed for following their consciences.

They were martyred for adhering to the highest ideals, and today we honor their memory. In the name of the people of Mexico, I salute today the people of Ireland and express my eternal gratitude.

http://www.irlandeses.org/sanpatriciosB.htm

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#21 May 11, 2013
Historical Review

Following the US declaration of war against Mexico in 1846, an Irish-born deserter from the US army, John O'Reilly, organized a company of soldiers at Matamoros to fight on the side of Mexico against the invading US forces. These foreign volunteers became known as "Las Compañías de San Patricio," and were renowned for their skill as artillerists as well as their bravery in battle for the duration of the war (1846-1848). Not all the San Patricios were deserters from the US army. Their number also included Irish and other Europeans already settled in Mexico, and some historians use Mexican army records as a basis to state that the majority were not deserters. The San Patricios did, however, have a distinctly Irish identity since their name-sake, St. Patrick, is the patron saint of the Irish people. The groups banner displayed an Irish harp surrounded by the Mexican coat-of-arms with a scroll reading, Freedom for the Mexican Republic and underneath the harp was the motto in Gaelic "Erin go Brágh" (Ireland for Ever). On the other side of the banner Saint Patrick was depicted holding a pastoral staff resting on a serpent. A US soldier described it as "a beautiful green silk banner [that] waved over their heads; on it glittered a silver cross and a golden harp, embroidered by the hands of the fair nuns of San Luis Potosí." [4] Historian Robert Miller also cites another reference to the San Patricio banner by an American observer: "Among the mighty host we passed was O'Reilly and his company of deserters bearing aloft in high disgrace the holy banner of St. Patrick." [5]

From Matamoros to Churubusco

The San Patricios took part in the fighting at Matamoros and Monterrey where they earned a reputation for their expertise in handling heavy weaponry. Following the US victory at Monterrey, the Mexican army retreated to San Luis Potosí, where General Antonio López de Santa Anna reorganized the Mexican forces in late 1846. Liberating Army of the North, as well as a special artillery unit manned by the San Patricios.

This unit was commanded by Colonel Francisco Rosendo Moreno and played and important role in the Mexican victory at the Battle of Angostura in February 1847. According to Miller, "Two six-powder cannon of the US Fourth Artillery were captured by the enemy due to intense fire from the San Patricio cannoneers, aided by support troops." [6] General Francisco Mejía cited the San Patricios in his report as "worthy of the most consummate praise because the men fought with daring bravery." [7]

As a result of their heroism in battle, O'Reilly, among others, was promoted to the rank of captain and was given the Angostura Cross of Honor. Despite the apparent victory of the Mexican forces at Angostura, Santa Anna decided to abandon the field of battle and retreated to San Luis Potosí. According to Miller, about a third of the San Patricios were killed or wounded at Angostura.[8]

Only two weeks after the battle of Angostura, the main focus of the war shifted to the Mexican Gulf Coast with the arrival of General Winfield Scott at Veracruz with 9,000 troops. The San Patricios were transferred from San Luis Potosí to Jalapa and took part in the Battle of Cerro Gordo which ended in defeat for the Mexican forces.

http://www.irlandeses.org/sanpatriciosB.htm

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