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Where are the descendants of Arab Slavery?

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“aswad rajul min amerika”

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#1 Apr 17, 2009
People keep making threaks accusing Arabs of slavery.If Arabs took so many slaves then what happened to them. Where are the Ghettos in Arab countries. Where are the blacks being mistreated in Arab countries.

Slavery in Arab world was different than slavery under Christian/White people. The Arabs accepted the children they had with the slaves and they were as free as any other Arab. The African slaves became the Arabs.

“aswad rajul min amerika”

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#2 Apr 17, 2009
Arabs have never discriminated against the descendants of slavery like the Christian/whites have. In fact you don't even know who is a slave descendant in the Arab World cause everyone is treated the same.

You can't compare slavery in Arabia to slavery in the western World.

“~MizzSomalia~”

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smwhre over the rainbow

#3 Apr 17, 2009
Exactly. But these people are biased. So don't expect them to get it.
Kenny

Silver Spring, MD

#4 Apr 17, 2009
jayrag wrote:
Arabs have never discriminated against the descendants of slavery like the Christian/whites have. In fact you don't even know who is a slave descendant in the Arab World cause everyone is treated the same.
You can't compare slavery in Arabia to slavery in the western World.
Abeed.

“~MizzSomalia~”

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smwhre over the rainbow

#5 Apr 17, 2009
Lets be honest here Arabs even enslaved Europeans.

“~MizzSomalia~”

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smwhre over the rainbow

#6 Apr 17, 2009
The slavery that went on in the Arab world was not as bad as the one in North America.

“~MizzSomalia~”

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smwhre over the rainbow

#7 Apr 17, 2009
Not saying that i support slavery though.

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#8 Apr 17, 2009
Arabs don't have one-drop rule, they actually have patrilineal rule, so the sons of the father give allegiance to the father's side.

Anyway, magnitude of Arab enslavement of Africans was huuuuge. The world's largest slave rebellion was Zanj rebellion in Iraq area about 1000 years back, read about it anywhere.

“~MizzSomalia~”

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smwhre over the rainbow

#9 Apr 17, 2009
jayrag wrote:
People keep making threaks accusing Arabs of slavery.If Arabs took so many slaves then what happened to them. Where are the Ghettos in Arab countries. Where are the blacks being mistreated in Arab countries.
Slavery in Arab world was different than slavery under Christian/White people. The Arabs accepted the children they had with the slaves and they were as free as any other Arab. The African slaves became the Arabs.
In some Arab countries Blacks are not treated well. They are taunted and called Abds and other bad names.

“~MizzSomalia~”

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smwhre over the rainbow

#10 Apr 17, 2009
Once Islam came into effect Slavery was not practiced as much. I can't beleive humans could be so cruel.
Kenny

Silver Spring, MD

#11 Apr 17, 2009
jayrag wrote:
People keep making threaks accusing Arabs of slavery.If Arabs took so many slaves then what happened to them. Where are the Ghettos in Arab countries. Where are the blacks being mistreated in Arab countries.
Slavery in Arab world was different than slavery under Christian/White people. The Arabs accepted the children they had with the slaves and they were as free as any other Arab. The African slaves became the Arabs.
Where are the descendants? Miscegenation covered them up. That is the only logical conclusion.

“~MizzSomalia~”

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#12 Apr 17, 2009
Kenny wrote:
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Where are the descendants? Miscegenation covered them up. That is the only logical conclusion.
I have to partially agree with you. But it didn't always happen.

“~MizzSomalia~”

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smwhre over the rainbow

#13 Apr 17, 2009
baad indyan wrote:
Arabs don't have one-drop rule, they actually have patrilineal rule, so the sons of the father give allegiance to the father's side.
Anyway, magnitude of Arab enslavement of Africans was huuuuge. The world's largest slave rebellion was Zanj rebellion in Iraq area about 1000 years back, read about it anywhere.
Oh, I see. I wonder why this subject isn't brought up much. Is it true they sold the slaves to the Europeans as well?
Kenny

Silver Spring, MD

#14 Apr 17, 2009
Aya24 wrote:
<quoted text> I have to partially agree with you. But it didn't always happen.
Well there are many Arabs from the Middle East who look a bit Black African while most others look similar to Mestizo Latinos. A lot of miscegenation went on in North Africa and The Middle East.

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#15 Apr 17, 2009
Aya24 wrote:
<quoted text> Oh, I see. I wonder why this subject isn't brought up much. Is it true they sold the slaves to the Europeans as well?
Yes they did, but when you're talking of Trans-Atlantic trade, it is mostly from West Africa and although Islam had reached there, actual Arabs (even half or quarter Arabs) weren't exactly present substantially. So most of the slave trade with the Europeans was either the cause of the Africans selling off prisoners-of-war, or family members during times of drought/famine, or also there were many Portuguese and Jewish adventurers who penetrated deep into and across Africa to capture slaves and sell to the English or Spanish.

Thing is on Arab side, you can't really say it was Arab because the borderline between Arab and African is hazy. From the physical standpoint, the trade of blacks across the Indian Ocean rim was actually done by Africans themselves as well. However, in a local standpoint, the Swahili was the Arab to the inland Bantu slave since the Swahili claimed lineage from Arabs/Persians.

Anyway, jayrag doesn't know about black people in ghettoes in Muslim world, doesn't mean they don't exist. In fact one of largest slums in the world is home to the descendants of these ex-slaves here in Lyari, Karachi, Pakistan:

“~MizzSomalia~”

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smwhre over the rainbow

#16 Apr 17, 2009
Kenny wrote:
<quoted text>Well there are many Arabs from the Middle East who look a bit Black African while most others look similar to Mestizo Latinos. A lot of miscegenation went on in North Africa and The Middle East.
I agree.

“~MizzSomalia~”

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#17 Apr 17, 2009
baad indyan wrote:
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Yes they did, but when you're talking of Trans-Atlantic trade, it is mostly from West Africa and although Islam had reached there, actual Arabs (even half or quarter Arabs) weren't exactly present substantially. So most of the slave trade with the Europeans was either the cause of the Africans selling off prisoners-of-war, or family members during times of drought/famine, or also there were many Portuguese and Jewish adventurers who penetrated deep into and across Africa to capture slaves and sell to the English or Spanish.
Thing is on Arab side, you can't really say it was Arab because the borderline between Arab and African is hazy. From the physical standpoint, the trade of blacks across the Indian Ocean rim was actually done by Africans themselves as well. However, in a local standpoint, the Swahili was the Arab to the inland Bantu slave since the Swahili claimed lineage from Arabs/Persians.
Anyway, jayrag doesn't know about black people in ghettoes in Muslim world, doesn't mean they don't exist. In fact one of largest slums in the world is home to the descendants of these ex-slaves here in Lyari, Karachi, Pakistan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =iihPzm7z2_4XX
Oh, I see.. Thanks for the insight.

“aswad rajul min amerika”

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#18 Apr 17, 2009
baad indyan wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes they did, but when you're talking of Trans-Atlantic trade, it is mostly from West Africa and although Islam had reached there, actual Arabs (even half or quarter Arabs) weren't exactly present substantially. So most of the slave trade with the Europeans was either the cause of the Africans selling off prisoners-of-war, or family members during times of drought/famine, or also there were many Portuguese and Jewish adventurers who penetrated deep into and across Africa to capture slaves and sell to the English or Spanish.
Thing is on Arab side, you can't really say it was Arab because the borderline between Arab and African is hazy. From the physical standpoint, the trade of blacks across the Indian Ocean rim was actually done by Africans themselves as well. However, in a local standpoint, the Swahili was the Arab to the inland Bantu slave since the Swahili claimed lineage from Arabs/Persians.
Anyway, jayrag doesn't know about black people in ghettoes in Muslim world, doesn't mean they don't exist. In fact one of largest slums in the world is home to the descendants of these ex-slaves here in Lyari, Karachi, Pakistan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =iihPzm7z2_4XX
I know about the African Indians. but they didn't go to india as slaves. They went as mercenaries and laborers.

Arabs accepted descendants of slaves into their culture/society. they didnt discriminate like the Whites/Christians did.

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#19 Apr 18, 2009
jayrag wrote:
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I know about the African Indians. but they didn't go to india as slaves. They went as mercenaries and laborers.
Arabs accepted descendants of slaves into their culture/society. they didnt discriminate like the Whites/Christians did.
You are setting your standards low here, this is a problem with people who have been completely utterly subjugated. You don't see Indians sucking British cock and saying that at least the British didn't commit mass genocide and destroy our temples and mosques like the Portuguese did in the little part of India they colonized.

Your people were subjugated and utterly ripped apart like dead cattle by a bunch of hyenas consisting of many different groups, from English to Spanish to French to Arabs to Turks. Of course some groups worked differently with you. And you feel appreciated by the Arab because he was merciful enough to mix with you (of course through your women as they castrated your men) and accept the children as his own, as did the Spaniards and Portuguese. However, you refuse to see that there exists and has always existed a color hierarchy no matter how mixed the Arabs are.

If you had your true religions/cultures/traditions, it would be in your blood to stick the middle finger to any oppressor, no matter how "nice" they are.

“aswad rajul min amerika”

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#21 Apr 18, 2009
The Black Iraqis, the Black Iranians – Afro-Arabian Mesopotamia By Jide Uwechia
King Darius of Persia - Black King with Wooly Hair
The Black Iraqis, the Black Iranians – Afro-Arabian Mesopotamia
By
Jide Uwechia
For thousands of years they have lived and prospered in Basra as rulers, administrators, musicians, and scholars. They are the black Arabs of Basra.
Their origins are varied though they obviously share one common genetic ancestor in some distance past on the shores of Africa.
Many of them are from the district of Zubair, descendants of the people who came to Iraq either from Central Arabia, or from East Africa. Some came as sailors, whereas others came as traders or immigrants or religious scholars over the course of many centuries.
Origins of the Black Basrawis
Early Origins:
Arab myths agree that the Cushitic King Nimrod crossed from beyond the waters of Ethiopia in the earliest times with a fine crop of soldiers and established what was to become the world’s oldest civilization. Many existing sites in Iraq are still named after Nimrod.
Hebrew myths recount the tale of King Nimrod as well. It is stated in the book of Genesis that Nimrod was a mighty hunter of renown and the first to begin building cities over the face of the world. He ruled in Mesopotamia, in the area covering Iraq, Iran, and Turkey.
All the ancient traditions agree that Nimrod was a black man, and that his soldiers were Ethiopians and Azanians, from what is now called East Africa.
Their descendants live in the region to this day. He was said to have built Erech, Elam, parts of Sumeria, Akkadia and Babylon. The Mesopotamian kingdoms of Sumeria, Babylon, Erech and Elam which thrived in the regions where modern Iraq covers today were thus black civilizations.
Runoko Rashidi demonstrated that the civilization of Sumer was founded by Nile valley migrants from Africa. The Sumerians called themselves the black-headed people and spoke a derivate of Semitic language, a language branch which rose initially from Ethiopia. Innumerable evidence from various cranial, skeletal, archaeological, sculptural and textual sources has confirmed the racial origins of the Sumerians as Nile valley Africans that migrated to Mesopotamia.
According to Martin Bernal, the ancient Greeks designated two populations of black people with the name Ethiopia, one approximated Elam, and one pertained to a group which lived south of Egypt. See Martin Bernal, David Chioni Moore, Black Athena Writes Back p.461.
Elam was a Kushite colony and its heartland was Susa the capital of Elam. Present day descendants of the ancient Elamites still live in southern Iranian province of Khuzestan, very dark in skin colour. Between then and the rise of Islam, different population demography drifted in and out of the Mesopotamia region wherein lies Basra.
Some of those population shifts had political and demographic consequences which bore different fortunes for the black Iraqis, and Iranians of Basra and Khuzestan respectively.

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