Barack Obama, our next President

Whatever wrote:

How do we know we have an administration out of control?
When we have foreign press discussing the DOJ's decision to now prosecute reporters.

They're taking notes for their own state security agencies. When America sneezes ;the World catches a cold.

sonicfilter wrote:

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was it ok when:
The war on whistle-blowers
U.S. officials have long retaliated against employees who speak out, burying the dangers they expose. Now, Congress wants to give whistle-blowers greater protection -- but President Bush vows to stop it.
....a six-month investigation by the Center for Investigative Reporting, in collaboration with Salon, has found that federal whistle-blowers almost never receive legal protection after they take action. Instead, they often face agency managers and White House appointees intent upon silencing them rather than addressing the problems they raise. They are left fighting for their jobs in a special administrative court system, little known to the American public, that is mired in bureaucracy and vulnerable to partisan politics. The CIR/Salon investigation reveals that the whistle-blower system — first created by Congress decades ago and proclaimed as a cornerstone of government transparency and accountability — has in reality enabled the punishment of employees who speak out. It has had a chilling effect, dissuading others from coming forward. The investigation examined nearly 3,600 whistle-blower cases since 1994, and included dozens of interviews and a review of confidential court documents. Whistle-blowers lose their cases, the investigation shows, nearly 97 percent of the time. Most limp away from the experience with their careers, reputations and finances in tatters.
Legal experts and lawmakers say the system is badly in need of reform. In fact, new legislation to strengthen whistle-blower protections has been moving through Congress this year, with strong bipartisan support, and is expected to come before the Senate this session. But in the latest setback to the system, the Bush White House has vowed to veto the legislation, citing among its criticisms a risk to national security.
http://www.salon.com/2007/11/01/whistleblower...
a risk to national security.
and there ya go.

The Obama administration has taken this all to entirely new level.

-The Obama admin has leaked classified memos for the sole purpose of discrediting a whistle blower
-The Obama admin through the DOJ used the power of their office to gather info about whistle blowers, congress men and journalist in order to leak to a Progressive site to discredit them.
-The Obama admin is attempting to make it criminal for journalist to report any classified information

This sounds like the gestapo and you are whining about what, skippy?

RealDave wrote:

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Under the federal sales tax, would I charge my export cusomer's sales tax?

No. Exports are not consumed in this country so they are not taxed. Imports are consumed in this country so they are taxed.

OBAMA the GENIUS wrote:

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It is a great time to bring up:
Republicans say: hey OK! fix it yourself, we cant afford it.
After all billionaires need more tax cuts. Hey GOP: give a billionaire $50 million dollars like Bush did.
TORNADO? feds are broke Yo! Clean up your own mess......the GOP RED WAY! HYPOCRITES!

Not a problem.

We can fix our own communities.

But please ask Christie and Bloomerberg to pay back the $85 billion.

Yep I used to think it's just chicago style politics,,more like Nazi.

frontporchreactionary wrote:

<quoted text>You're the insensitive dope,ya know. Those folks down in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina were more than glad to see a 'horde of untrained teenagers' from church relief groups go in as first responders to help them when Bush 43's Brownie-headed f*ck'd -up FEMA couldn't even get to the city outskirts with helicopters and armored half-track military vehicles .

You people never let a crisis go to waste.

God has a special place for you.

Whatever wrote:

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The Obama administration has taken this all to entirely new level.
-The Obama admin has leaked classified memos for the sole purpose of discrediting a whistle blower
-The Obama admin through the DOJ used the power of their office to gather info about whistle blowers, congress men and journalist in order to leak to a Progressive site to discredit them.
-The Obama admin is attempting to make it criminal for journalist to report any classified information
This sounds like the gestapo and you are whining about what, skippy?

[sigh]

HUBRIS: The Bush Admin's Push To Silence Iraq War Whistleblowers

So what is Obama's solution for HIS DOJ going after whistle blowers and the press?

Does he tell the DOJ to back off? Heck no

They brag about it

"“We have tried more leak cases—brought more leak cases during the course of this administration than any other administration,” Holder said before the Senate Judiciary Committee last year.…

Between 1917 and 1985, there was one successful federal leak prosecution. The Obama White House, by contrast, has pursued leaks “with a surprising relentlessness,” as Jane Mayer wrote in her masterful New Yorker piece about the prosecution of Thomas Drake."

The 2009 bill wouldn't do much to temper that relentless push.

On Wednesday, The New Republic's Molly Redden wrote that the administration's prosecutions has a real effect on journalists' ability to do their jobs.

[Prosecutions have] unnerved reporters,[Times reporter Scott Shane] and others said, but even more so their sources: national security officials. In fact, it’s hard to call a reporter on this beat who hasn’t felt sources withdraw as the subpoenas and seizures have piled up.“Officials are reluctant to get anywhere close to the line,” Shane said.“Take drones. The official position is that the government cannot confirm or deny the existence of a drone program in Pakistan. But the president has spoken several times, publicly, about the program. Is someone going to get into trouble for talking about it?” Few want to test the limits.“Sometimes they’ll offer some black humor about it.‘So you want me to be the next person to go to prison?’ But it actually has been much harder to get people to talk about anything, even in a sensitive-but-unclassified area.”

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/...

However, though the bill would do little to protect journalist from his own DOJ, Obama likes it because strangely it would shield him.

The Bush administration, seeking to limit leaks of classified information, has launched initiatives targeting journalists and their possible government sources. The efforts include several FBI probes, a polygraph investigation inside the CIA and a warning from the Justice Department that reporters could be prosecuted under espionage laws.

In recent weeks, dozens of employees at the CIA, the National Security Agency and other intelligence agencies have been interviewed by agents from the FBI's Washington field office, who are investigating possible leaks that led to reports about secret CIA prisons and the NSA's warrantless domestic surveillance program, according to law enforcement and intelligence officials familiar with the two cases.

Numerous employees at the CIA, FBI, Justice Department and other agencies also have received letters from Justice prohibiting them from discussing even unclassified issues related to the NSA program, according to sources familiar with the notices. Some GOP lawmakers are also considering whether to approve tougher penalties for leaking.

In a little-noticed case in California, FBI agents from Los Angeles have already contacted reporters at the Sacramento Bee about stories published in July that were based on sealed court documents related to a terrorism case in Lodi, according to the newspaper.

Some media watchers, lawyers and editors say that, taken together, the incidents represent perhaps the most extensive and overt campaign against leaks in a generation, and that they have worsened the already-tense relationship between mainstream news organizations and the White House.

"There's a tone of gleeful relish in the way they talk about dragging reporters before grand juries, their appetite for withholding information, and the hints that reporters who look too hard into the public's business risk being branded traitors," said New York Times Executive Editor Bill Keller, in a statement responding to questions from The Washington Post. "I don't know how far action will follow rhetoric, but some days it sounds like the administration is declaring war at home on the values it professes to be promoting abroad."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

just because FOX ignored doesn't mean it didn't happen.

How sad for the people in Moore, Oklahoma.

37 confirmed dead so far - most are children who were at school.

The worst tornado recorded in Oklahoma.

We should keep these people in our thoughts and prayers even as we discuss politics.

another School Fatality where is the democrats, we need laws to ban Tornados.

Dozens killed as tornado tears through Oklahoma, leaving miles of debris

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/20/18...

frontporchreactionary wrote:

<quoted text>They're taking notes for their own state security agencies. When America sneezes ;the World catches a cold.

You are beyond help

Whatever wrote:

How do we know we have an administration out of control?
When we have foreign press discussing the DOJ's decision to now prosecute reporters.

America is no longer that shinning city on a hill that once beckoned to the weary and downtrodden. It is becoming a dark city sunk into a dark valley and any light is to be found elsewhere.

The Boy Messiah symbolizes all that is wrong with America.

sonicfilter wrote:

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[sigh]
HUBRIS: The Bush Admin's Push To Silence Iraq War Whistleblowers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =r65LcszE2gMXX

Chew on this Sonic your Obama and his DOJ has been ruthless

"“We have tried more leak cases—brought more leak cases during the course of this administration than any other administration,” Holder said before the Senate Judiciary Committee last year.…

Between 1917 and 1985, there was one successful federal leak prosecution. The Obama White House, by contrast, has pursued leaks “with a surprising relentlessness,” as Jane Mayer wrote in her masterful New Yorker piece about the prosecution of Thomas Drake."

flack wrote:

<quoted text> No. Exports are not consumed in this country so they are not taxed. Imports are consumed in this country so they are taxed.

Charging foreigners less for an American-made product than you charge Americans seems like a flaw in your plan.

sonicfilter wrote:

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[sigh]
HUBRIS: The Bush Admin's Push To Silence Iraq War Whistleblowers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =r65LcszE2gMXX

You are fool. The Obama DOJ is trying to prosecute journalist and you are whining about what?

OBAMA the GENIUS wrote:

<quoted text>
It is a great time to bring up:
Republicans say: hey OK! fix it yourself, we cant afford it.
After all billionaires need more tax cuts. Hey GOP: give a billionaire $50 million dollars like Bush did.
TORNADO? feds are broke Yo! Clean up your own mess......the GOP RED WAY! HYPOCRITES!

Unfortunately for you, the democrats and Obama hiked up the deficit even more than the fallout from the housing market collapse.

Everyone got to keep more of their own money before the bubble burst and the economy was doing quite well.

Now we all have less money and the economy is being kept afloat by the Feds printing money. Wait until January when Obamacare really kicks in and/or the Feds stop printing the money.

frontporchreactionary wrote:

<quoted text>You're the insensitive dope,ya know. Those folks down in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina were more than glad to see a 'horde of untrained teenagers' from church relief groups go in as first responders to help them when Bush 43's Brownie-headed f*ck'd -up FEMA couldn't even get to the city outskirts with helicopters and armored half-track military vehicles .

If you can't successfully argue anything for the Magic Negro then a quick fallback position is always near at hand: Bush-Bashing.

Intellectual sloths like you are always good at shooting peas.

Anonymous of Indy wrote:

another School Fatality where is the democrats, we need laws to ban Tornados.
Dozens killed as tornado tears through Oklahoma, leaving miles of debris
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/20/18...

Laws to ban tornadoes?

sonicfilter wrote:

The Bush administration, seeking to limit leaks of classified information, has launched initiatives targeting journalists and their possible government sources. The efforts include several FBI probes, a polygraph investigation inside the CIA and a warning from the Justice Department that reporters could be prosecuted under espionage laws.
In recent weeks, dozens of employees at the CIA, the National Security Agency and other intelligence agencies have been interviewed by agents from the FBI's Washington field office, who are investigating possible leaks that led to reports about secret CIA prisons and the NSA's warrantless domestic surveillance program, according to law enforcement and intelligence officials familiar with the two cases.
Numerous employees at the CIA, FBI, Justice Department and other agencies also have received letters from Justice prohibiting them from discussing even unclassified issues related to the NSA program, according to sources familiar with the notices. Some GOP lawmakers are also considering whether to approve tougher penalties for leaking.
In a little-noticed case in California, FBI agents from Los Angeles have already contacted reporters at the Sacramento Bee about stories published in July that were based on sealed court documents related to a terrorism case in Lodi, according to the newspaper.
Some media watchers, lawyers and editors say that, taken together, the incidents represent perhaps the most extensive and overt campaign against leaks in a generation, and that they have worsened the already-tense relationship between mainstream news organizations and the White House.
"There's a tone of gleeful relish in the way they talk about dragging reporters before grand juries, their appetite for withholding information, and the hints that reporters who look too hard into the public's business risk being branded traitors," said New York Times Executive Editor Bill Keller, in a statement responding to questions from The Washington Post. "I don't know how far action will follow rhetoric, but some days it sounds like the administration is declaring war at home on the values it professes to be promoting abroad."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
just because FOX ignored doesn't mean it didn't happen.

The Obama administration has been ruthless in their pursuit and prosecution of whistle blowers.

“We have tried more leak cases—brought more leak cases during the course of this administration than any other administration,” Holder said before the Senate Judiciary Committee last year.…

You are whining about what?