Barack Obama, our next President

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"The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep," Obama cautioned. Young and charismatic but with little experience on the national level, Obama smashed through racial barriers and easily defeated ...
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Cliff Diving

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Only a fool would think that the same Congress that got us in this mess can get us out of this mess.

The fiscal cliff is the byproduct of multiple congressional compromises to kick several different cans down the road. Now they’ve all landed in the same spot. Both sides are trying to kick multiple cans at one time and are kicking each other instead.

What’s really going on in Washington right now is Republicans are in theater trying to look like the reasonable party. They want back in the good graces of the American public and want to at least save some face when polling says they’ll probably get blamed and their position is unpopular.

They might as well give it up. They’re going to get the blame no matter what happens. They are disjointed with bad spokesmen. One is orange and the other ... well ....

They might as well dive.

http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/30/cliff-divi...
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"their position is unpopular."

"their position is unpopular."

"their position is unpopular."

keep talking carol.
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Uh Oh__Carol's doing math__time for a beer run.
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Who’s Afraid of the Fiscal Cliff?

Obama will get his upper-income tax hikes no matter what, the question is whether or not Republicans will cooperate to avert them for everyone else. If they don’t, the Democrats will continue to paint the GOP as obstructing primarily on the wealthy’s behalf, and the president will get credit for practically balancing the budget. According to the CBO, by 2022 the deficit would be at $200 billion, and the budget would be balanced long before the Ryan plan promised to.

Mitt Romney and the Randian wing of the GOP can take some consolation in the fact that, absent unlikely compromise, the ranks of the 47 percent will be reduced next year. Or, slightly less cynically, that taxpayers will come closer to paying the full price for their government.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/why-no...
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Obama and the Liberals/Democrats have no intent of solving this Fiscal Cliff Crisis their intention is to use this Crisis against Republicans in 2014 the question will it Work!! Republicans should just walk away leave No Prints!!
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sonicfilter wrote:
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well geez carol, let's just drive off the cliff. we spend way to much on the military complex as it is. and what about all those tax cuts that will expire?
maybe you just need some right wing clarity.
GOP Between A Cliff And A Cave
they have been weighed and measured and found wanting
From inside the negotiations the picture looks even more grim:
“Republicans want the president to own the whole offer upfront, on both the entitlement and the revenue side, and that’s not going to happen because the president is not going to negotiate with himself,” the official said.“There’s a standoff, and the staff hasn’t gotten anywhere. Rob Nabors [the White House negotiator], has been saying:‘This is what we want on revenues on the down payment. What’s you guys’ ask on the entitlement side?’ And they keep looking back at us and saying:‘We want you to come up with that and pitch us.’ That’s not going to happen.”
This is not a hard nose bargaining position. It is an ultimatum. This is how you do business with someone you don’t like, you don’t respect, and most of all, you don’t fear.
http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/30/gop-betwee...
now you can expound on how much the GOP likes, respects, and fears Obama.
this whole thing of getting back what you've been getting sure does have you FOXbots crying foul. it's the funniest thing i've seen out of you wingnuts since you all made Trump your birther icon.
Without the necessary spending cuts in the budget - which is what is taking us over the cliff - and major reforms - which is not even mentioned by democrats much less entertained - we're going over the cliff with or without raising taxes on the 1% which won't make a dent in government spending Of which Obama wants even more.

You just don't get it.
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CAROL: "LET'S SEE, IF I TURN 12 TRICKS A NIGHT, FOR 40 NIGHTS... AFTER LEON'S CUT.."
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Realtime wrote:
Uh Oh__Carol's doing math__time for a beer run.
The "math" to which you are referring was "calculated" by David Brooks, a writer for the New York Times.

But you'd probably do a beer run at 10:30 on Sunday morning anyway.
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shinningelectr0n wrote:
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You've got about as much humanity inside you as a Parking Meter does.
Let's hope you soon go Expired.
HUMANITY? A PARKING METER? JOHN MCCAIN SUCKED A LOT OF CONG DICK. DUH. YOU'RE THE WHO WANTS TO MAKE HIM INTO A GOD. THERE ARE NO GODS, JUST HUMANS. THEREFORE I HAVE MORE HUMANITY INSIDE ME THAN YOU DO. NOW QUARTERS, THAT'S ANOTHER MATTER.
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carol wrote:
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The "math" to which you are referring was "calculated" by David Brooks, a writer for the New York Times.
But you'd probably do a beer run at 10:30 on Sunday morning anyway.
i think you forgot to say good morning to me.
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carol wrote:
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What part of "higher taxes wouldn't even produce enough revenue to cover a tenth of the deficit" don't you understand?
It's one simple concept. Perhaps you should read it again.
OH CAROL, HOW CAN YOU ADVISE SOMEONE TO DO SOMETHING YOU ARE UNABLE TO DO YOURSELF? LAST NIGHT I HANDED YOU MORE WISDOM THAN THE BIBLE AND THE QURAN AND THE TORAH ALL ROLLED TOGETHER AND WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU SPURN ME. HOW CAN YOU EXPECT ME TO KEEP BEING SWEET TO YOU WHEN YOU TREAT ME SO POORLY? PERHAPS, YOU SHOULD READ IT AGAIN...
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carol wrote:
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Without the necessary spending cuts in the budget - which is what is taking us over the cliff - and major reforms - which is not even mentioned by democrats much less entertained - we're going over the cliff with or without raising taxes on the 1% which won't make a dent in government spending Of which Obama wants even more.
You just don't get it.
the 'necessary' is very much open for debate. right wing talking points with nothing to back them up don't really impress.

but hell, i'm starting to be of a mind that we just go over the cliff. just cut the spending where it really needs to be cut. raise those taxes for everyone. then Obama can sit back, point at the GOP, say it was their fault, and he won't be wrong.

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Do winning presidents also say in their victory speeches they will be sitting down with the losing opponent in the weeks ahead to talk about how to move this country forward?
Thought Obama knew how to do that. He won. Why is he interested in Romney's input? He certainly isn't interested in any other republicans' input.
It's a trick, a ploy, carol. The Boy Messiah's trying to put pressure on the Republican House holding his free money/drugs. "See?" he says "I'm making kissy-Poo with Romney. I'm trying to compromise".

The snake keeps hissing.

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carol wrote:
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You posted 20 posts in a row that offered nothing but garbage.
What is WRONG with you?
Why ask the patient what their diagnosis is?
Ask the doctor, instead.
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Is the Sequester or the Public’s Denial the Bigger Problem?

Permit me a stray radical thought or two ...

House Speaker John Boehner says there’s been “no progress” in the budget talks in the past two weeks.

At this moment, Republicans in Congress need to examine which presents a more dire threat to the country:

A) A double-dip recession driven by the sequester and the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, or

B) the public’s belief (verified through polling) that our giant debt, our ticking time bomb of entitlements, and our gargantuan government can be solved by “asking the richest Americans to pay a little bit more,” as Obama insists.

Option A is terrible, but Option B is the giant locked door blocking all of the real solutions.

So if we must have tax hikes, let the tax cuts for every income level expire and let everyone of every income level pay higher taxes. Destroy the illusion among so many voters that they can get all the government they want without paying more in taxes.

We hear the sequestration deal described as terrible, but it passed both houses of Congress and was signed into law by President Obama. Everyone knew there was a possibility it would go into effect.

Mitt Romney and Republicans spent much of 2012 talking about how badly sequestration would endanger our national security by cutting defense spending. The American people voted for the man who signed it into law anyway. It is time we all saw the consequences of that.

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/3...
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dem wrote:
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i think you forgot to say good morning to me.
MEEEE TOO. WHAT'S SO BAD ABOUT MAKING A BEER RUN AT 10:30 ON A SUNDAY MORNING?

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GhostofRaygun wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sure a few months in re-education camp is going to help you with all this hate.
I'm sure that a 50 Gal Colostomy Bag would help you with the pressure on your brain.
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Obama and the Liberals/Democrats have no intent of solving this Fiscal Cliff Crisis their intention is to use this Crisis against Republicans in 2014 the question will it Work!! Republicans should just walk away leave No Prints!!
The Democrats are working this like a sleezy scam artist. They know if Republicans take a stand against this nonsense, they will be blamed by liberals. They also know that if Republicans cave or walk away, they will possibly be blamed by other republicans.

They're counting on not wasting this continuing and ongoing crisis so they can come out smelling like roses to the easily fooled even though they caused it themselves and can blame someone else another four years.

It's what weasels do.

But a big part of me agrees with you. However, if republicans walk away to leave no fingerprints, they need to get in front of any camera they see for the next four years and make it crystal clear to the American public they went along with what the majority wanted AGAINST their advise and better judgment.

They also need to repeat a much better plan ad nauseum.

If they do both of these things, they cannot be blamed.
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so i call up top mod 15 and say "dude, how dare one of your minions erase my posts".

15:'my apologies dem.
we have a new automated system that keys in on certain words'

dem: bad words? just english?

15: mostly the real naughty ones Santa wouldn't like. see George Carlin

dem: he's dead. but its becoming clearer.
so you mean to tell me as long as a circumvent that silly fkn machine i can do as i please?

15: yes my lord continue spreading your message.

dem: shots on me.
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The Conservative Future
By DAVID BROOKS

If you listened to the Republican candidates this year, you heard a conventional set of arguments. But if you go online, you can find a vibrant and increasingly influential center-right conversation. Most of the young writers and bloggers in this conversation intermingle, but they can be grouped, for clarity’s sake, around a few hot spots:....

.... By and large, these diverse writers did not grow up in the age of Reagan and are not trying to recapture it. They disdain what you might call Donor Base Republicanism. Most important, they matured intellectually within a far-reaching Web-based conversation. In contrast to many members of the conservative political-entertainment complex, they are data-driven, empirical and low-key in tone.

They are united more by a style of feedback and mutual scrutiny than by a common agenda. Some politically unorthodox people in this conversation, such as Josh Barro of Bloomberg View, Meghan Clyne of National Affairs and Heather Mac Donald of the Manhattan Institute, specialize in puncturing sentimentality and groupthink.

Since Nov. 6, the G.O.P. has experienced an epidemic of open-mindedness. The party may evolve quickly. If so, it’ll be powerfully influenced by people with names like Reihan, Ramesh, Yuval and Derek Khanna.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/opinion/bro...

no mention of any FOX talking heads.

no doubt.

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