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"Whitewashed" Black PPL. What or WHO is BLACK?

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“I believe”

Since: Aug 07

Long Beach, CA

#1 Aug 14, 2007
So, Why is it that I can't have a freindship with black people from the "hood" so to speak, because they diss the heck out of me and are so quick to call the music I listen to trash to my face, they aren't even polite about voicing thier opinion abou the way I talk (valley girl). And my taste in music and dress...(Techno, Alternative, Rock) I don't get all nasty when they play thier stupid little "pop pop bag" "hoe-bitch-suck-my-dicck- shootemup-driveby" stuff. I don't get all nasty, I just refer to us having a different taste in music thats all. I date men who are white and Latino, and if I do date a black guy he wear Ambercrombie and Fitch, skateboards and says "Bro" instead of "Niggah". It is Black people like us who totally mess up your definition of what Black is, and calls into question.. What does it mean to be black? Skin color, prefernce in music, speech, behavior, prefernce in food, loyalty in same race dating? I have been rejected by my so-calle people for so long it hurts. And you wonder why we have people like Bill Cosby, Condolezza Rice,etc. The hostility that comes at me is UNBELIVEABLE. That type of nasty rage definatly has something at the root of oit so yall please tell me what it is!!!!

Q: WHAT DEFINES BLACK? WHO IS IN AND WHO IS OUT?
savvy101

San Francisco, CA

#2 Aug 14, 2007
if you are a person because your ancestors were brought here as slaves from africa, then your're black.

it don't have anything to do with what social class you grew up in because a lot of blacks in higher social classes experience racism directly, then blacks who grew up in the so called "hood".

i grew up in Oakland, CA in the 80s and i didn't have to many white people in my neiborhood. as matter of fact the only ones i did see were either teachers or police officers.

the whites in this area lived in piedmont, san leandro, san ramon, berkeley, other cities outside of oakland (except richmond).

lady nemesis u are just as black as a person in south central, east oakland, harlem or any other hood in america.

people who question your blackness are people u have issue with themselves and they are most likely still stuck in that "divide and conquer " mindset that's keeping black people from moving forward as a group.

“The Truth”

Since: Aug 07

Brooklyn, NY

#5 Aug 15, 2007
LadyNemesis2007 wrote:
So, Why is it that I can't have a freindship with black people from the "hood" so to speak, because they diss the heck out of me and are so quick to call the music I listen to trash to my face, they aren't even polite about voicing thier opinion abou the way I talk (valley girl). And my taste in music and dress...(Techno, Alternative, Rock) I don't get all nasty when they play thier stupid little "pop pop bag" "hoe-bitch-suck-my-dicck- shootemup-driveby" stuff. I don't get all nasty, I just refer to us having a different taste in music thats all. I date men who are white and Latino, and if I do date a black guy he wear Ambercrombie and Fitch, skateboards and says "Bro" instead of "Niggah". It is Black people like us who totally mess up your definition of what Black is, and calls into question.. What does it mean to be black? Skin color, prefernce in music, speech, behavior, prefernce in food, loyalty in same race dating? I have been rejected by my so-calle people for so long it hurts. And you wonder why we have people like Bill Cosby, Condolezza Rice,etc. The hostility that comes at me is UNBELIVEABLE. That type of nasty rage definatly has something at the root of oit so yall please tell me what it is!!!!
Q: WHAT DEFINES BLACK? WHO IS IN AND WHO IS OUT?
Let me tell you a quick story.

I went to visit my friend who went to Barry University in Florida. In her psych class, the prof told all of us to make a line(side by side) from the lightest complexion to the darkest.

Now...here's the funny thing. This Black girl...and I do mean black...stood right where the white people left off and the light skinned black people began. She stood right there like there was nothing wrong.

The prof asked her, "Why did you pick that spot?"
She answered, "Because I am white inside. I grew up in Idaho, raised around White people, dated white guys who wore Abercombe&F, listen to rock, rap, etc."

The sad thing about this story is that when the prof said, "But, honey, you are black." The girl began to wail. I mean wail because she truly felt that she was white.

All I have to say is that if you have melanin in your skin, and you notice that you hair is just a liiiiittttllllee nappy, thick or whatever...then you are Black, African American or what ever else you want to call yourself.

Being black does not mean that you have to listen to a certain type of music, dress a certain way, act, walk or talk a certain way...that's ludicrous. You are black because of the pigment of your skin and your history.

“I believe”

Since: Aug 07

Long Beach, CA

#6 Aug 15, 2007
Negrogod wrote:
^^^ Not to be harsh you just sound like an offy, geeky ass, white wanna be sista who has loss her swag and her flavor or never had any coolness to begin with due to you being raised and brought up that way.
I can see how you would pull that off from the posts and the pic... But Oh my, baby... People are so mutifaceted, I've got my "sistah-side" and I got much flav, I am a DJ (Mixin and Vynil), Have done SLAM poetry, I can rap and freestyle, and everytime I go out to dance I am complimented. I am a d'jembe percussionist, and so while a part of me is geeky and offy, another part of has soul that can be felt for miles. I'm not sure what you define as flavor and swag.... But I rest deeply confident in my own flav.

Also here some history on me:

1. Grew up in Foster care
2. Went to an all white college
3. I live in Long Beach and it is 2nd most diverse city in the US next to NY. Just on my bloack are Mexican, philipino, Cambodian, black , white.
4. I'm 28, so I'm not sure if you and I also may have a generational difference.

But could you please define what you mean by "swag, flavor and coolness"???

“I believe”

Since: Aug 07

Long Beach, CA

#7 Aug 15, 2007
Negrogod wrote:
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Are you saying your only attracted to black men if they act white?
No, I'm just the only Black women on this planet that has no attraction at all for the black-thug.

And you have to think of it in reverse, if I do date a guy who is black, obviously we are gonna have to have similar intrests. And I think the "Bro" and "Amercrombe" is more of a style than a race thing. I like the preppy black bois. You know, the ones that get passed over by many sisters in favor of the thug I am all too happy to let them have!

“I believe”

Since: Aug 07

Long Beach, CA

#8 Aug 15, 2007
Trust wrote:
<quoted text>Being black does not mean that you have to listen to a certain type of music, dress a certain way, act, walk or talk a certain way...that's ludicrous. You are black because of the pigment of your skin and your history.
Well, you are the first to say it! If all the black people out here felt that way, I'd never made this post, but 99% have a view like negrogod.

I love my people in my own way. And I don't do it by trying to comnform to thier shallow standards. I do it by mentoring young black girls and women who use thier bodies as a way to fill the void. And accrding to another post i put I have yet to see a blakc woman say she want to do anything to help another black woman other than call her a bitch and hoe. So in a way doesnt that make me more black than them? I honor my people by loving them even while in thier ignorance they try to crush my spirit for me being who i am. And of they do not honor me, well.....
Ashley

Denver, CO

#9 Aug 15, 2007
LadyNemesis,

You remind me of myself except me being a little less "white" lol. Just kidding. Anyway, I listen to mainly pop, alternative, and reggae music but all genres but rap. The people around me, fortunately, do not judge me based on that. Now with that being said, they seem to judge me because I've dated more Caucasian guys than any other. I don't get that notion either. I do not consider myself "white washed" or pro-black, I am what I am and who I am is what makes me want to be who I am TODAY. Similar to your taste, I can only find myself remotely attracted to the AA guys who speak proper English and wear their clothing properly. This isn't a "white thang" but a human thing. Wearing your pants off of your bums is actually imitating jailhouse men. That all started by thugs in jail because of course you weren't allowed to wear belts in there. The guards and all were in fear that the jailbirds would hang themselves. People who say that you're a self hater because of the music you listen to or the people you date have no idea what self-hate means apparently. Some people actually prefer to date someone who shares similar interests as they do like myself. I don't hang out at the club sipping on greygoose all night long and call it "the time of my life". I'm more into fine arts, poetry, jazz clubs perhaps, etc. I need someone who's just as laid back as I am I guess. And of course some people, especially women, don't find lyrics such as "pimp my bit_h up" as appealing to music that doesn't degrade you (me) as a woman. Some women WANT to become wives and perhaps a mother someday. If you want that, then you need to find a man who ALSO wants that. If it just so happen to be a "white" man or latino, then so be it. Every child deserves GOOD parents, not "black" parents. A good parent comes in every race. I've asked this question in another thread before...what IS a "real black" person? People been telling me that I'm not a real black woman. That right there lets me that it is "BLACKS" who feed into the very stereotype that non-AAs have for us.

“Logic”

Since: Jun 07

Land Of Mathematics

#10 Aug 15, 2007
Ashley wrote:
LadyNemesis,
You remind me of myself except me being a little less "white" lol. Just kidding. Anyway, I listen to mainly pop, alternative, and reggae music but all genres but rap. The people around me, fortunately, do not judge me based on that. Now with that being said, they seem to judge me because I've dated more Caucasian guys than any other. I don't get that notion either. I do not consider myself "white washed" or pro-black, I am what I am and who I am is what makes me want to be who I am TODAY. Similar to your taste, I can only find myself remotely attracted to the AA guys who speak proper English and wear their clothing properly. This isn't a "white thang" but a human thing. Wearing your pants off of your bums is actually imitating jailhouse men. That all started by thugs in jail because of course you weren't allowed to wear belts in there. The guards and all were in fear that the jailbirds would hang themselves. People who say that you're a self hater because of the music you listen to or the people you date have no idea what self-hate means apparently. Some people actually prefer to date someone who shares similar interests as they do like myself. I don't hang out at the club sipping on greygoose all night long and call it "the time of my life". I'm more into fine arts, poetry, jazz clubs perhaps, etc. I need someone who's just as laid back as I am I guess. And of course some people, especially women, don't find lyrics such as "pimp my bit_h up" as appealing to music that doesn't degrade you (me) as a woman. Some women WANT to become wives and perhaps a mother someday. If you want that, then you need to find a man who ALSO wants that. If it just so happen to be a "white" man or latino, then so be it. Every child deserves GOOD parents, not "black" parents. A good parent comes in every race. I've asked this question in another thread before...what IS a "real black" person? People been telling me that I'm not a real black woman. That right there lets me that it is "BLACKS" who feed into the very stereotype that non-AAs have for us.
Very good and intelligent post!
Ashley

Denver, CO

#11 Aug 15, 2007
cool_black_stallion wrote:
<quoted text>
Very good and intelligent post!
Thank you handsome :D. Judging by some of your posts in other threads and your avatar, you are the type of AA man that I would find myself attracted to. You seem very intelligent, content in your life, and appreciate the things in life that can help ALL people the most like mathematics and such. Yes, I've read your profile just now lol.

Mack the Great

Since: May 07

United States

#12 Aug 15, 2007
LadyNemesis2007 wrote:
So, Why is it that I can't have a freindship with black people from the "hood" so to speak, because they diss the heck out of me and are so quick to call the music I listen to trash to my face, they aren't even polite about voicing thier opinion abou the way I talk (valley girl). And my taste in music and dress...(Techno, Alternative, Rock) I don't get all nasty when they play thier stupid little "pop pop bag" "hoe-bitch-suck-my-dicck- shootemup-driveby" stuff. I don't get all nasty, I just refer to us having a different taste in music thats all. I date men who are white and Latino, and if I do date a black guy he wear Ambercrombie and Fitch, skateboards and says "Bro" instead of "Niggah". It is Black people like us who totally mess up your definition of what Black is, and calls into question.. What does it mean to be black? Skin color, prefernce in music, speech, behavior, prefernce in food, loyalty in same race dating? I have been rejected by my so-calle people for so long it hurts. And you wonder why we have people like Bill Cosby, Condolezza Rice,etc. The hostility that comes at me is UNBELIVEABLE. That type of nasty rage definatly has something at the root of oit so yall please tell me what it is!!!!
Q: WHAT DEFINES BLACK? WHO IS IN AND WHO IS OUT?
Hi LadyNemesis2007! To answer you question to the best of my knowledge, I would have to say that being black cosnsists of these essential factors

1. Your Skin color
2. Your History
3. Your culture

The reason why some black nationalists and black supremacists label others as being white is because is you don't seemingly take pride in their race and culture but take interests in things we peceive to be part of "white" culture, like skateboarding, D&D, Abercrombie and Fitch, Goth culture, and etc compared to your respective black culture. That, combined with the fact that some black nationalists refuse to bring up their children in all white neighborhoods for fear that they may grow up acting "whitewashed" with an ID crisis possibly suffering from self-hatred, explains why us blacks have set the standards for what "blackness" is. I can't define black for everybody as all of us blacks as individuals, have our own personal interpetations on what being black is and like I said earlier, being black in my honest and personal opinion is liking your skin color, heritage, and history. Your definition on being black is your own opinion and I respect that. Not all of us share the same views on what being black is all about. I still accept you sista LN2007 as you are a cute and beautiful black woman and your interests as long as you're still proud to be black and never forget who you are. We have a rich and magnificent history that spans the whole globe and you should have a lot to be proud of interms of what our black ancestors have done. Alot of blacks go through life with self-hatred as a result of them not having a concept of their full history not starting from slavery. Do you know more about your history LN2007? I feel that our history is what ultimately defines our blackness as we were a proud and happy race who had it all during ancient times and you should read up more about black history when you get the chance. Well it was a pleasure to help answer your question and have a wonderful day sista LN2007!850

“Dream Big and Go Boldly”

Since: May 07

Miami Beach, Florida

#17 Aug 15, 2007
LadyNemesis2007 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I'm just the only Black women on this planet that has no attraction at all for the black-thug.
And you have to think of it in reverse, if I do date a guy who is black, obviously we are gonna have to have similar intrests. And I think the "Bro" and "Amercrombe" is more of a style than a race thing. I like the preppy black bois. You know, the ones that get passed over by many sisters in favor of the thug I am all too happy to let them have!
I have never been attracted to "bad boys" or "thugs". These type of men tend to avoid me. I have been accused by other Blacks as being "a stuck up overeducated b---h". I am a Black woman engaged to a White man. I have been labeled by other Blacks as "geeky", an "oreo", and a "wannabee" every since I was 12. I was made fun of by other Blacks because of my looks and clothing. Black men just weren't attracted to me. I was raised in a devout Catholic family and attended Catholic schools until I was in seventh grade. My father was in the military and my parents are very conservative. The few Black men I dated in the past were at leat ten years older than me and conservative. My late husband was a Black police officer. The White and Latin men I have dated were conservative or "preppy" as well. The White men I have dated have all been European including my fiance. My fiance is the first man I have dated that is my own age. We have so much in common. We like the same movies, television shows, and books. Both of us are in the high tech field are would be considered "nerds". To be honest, my fellow Blacks are the ones that have labeled and stereotyped me. People of other races have always accepted me. I have had the same experience with my fellow Blacks not accepting me.

“Dream Big and Go Boldly”

Since: May 07

Miami Beach, Florida

#18 Aug 15, 2007
Ashley wrote:
LadyNemesis,
You remind me of myself except me being a little less "white" lol. Just kidding. Anyway, I listen to mainly pop, alternative, and reggae music but all genres but rap. The people around me, fortunately, do not judge me based on that. Now with that being said, they seem to judge me because I've dated more Caucasian guys than any other. I don't get that notion either. I do not consider myself "white washed" or pro-black, I am what I am and who I am is what makes me want to be who I am TODAY. Similar to your taste, I can only find myself remotely attracted to the AA guys who speak proper English and wear their clothing properly. This isn't a "white thang" but a human thing. Wearing your pants off of your bums is actually imitating jailhouse men. That all started by thugs in jail because of course you weren't allowed to wear belts in there. The guards and all were in fear that the jailbirds would hang themselves. People who say that you're a self hater because of the music you listen to or the people you date have no idea what self-hate means apparently. Some people actually prefer to date someone who shares similar interests as they do like myself. I don't hang out at the club sipping on greygoose all night long and call it "the time of my life". I'm more into fine arts, poetry, jazz clubs perhaps, etc. I need someone who's just as laid back as I am I guess. And of course some people, especially women, don't find lyrics such as "pimp my bit_h up" as appealing to music that doesn't degrade you (me) as a woman. Some women WANT to become wives and perhaps a mother someday. If you want that, then you need to find a man who ALSO wants that. If it just so happen to be a "white" man or latino, then so be it. Every child deserves GOOD parents, not "black" parents. A good parent comes in every race. I've asked this question in another thread before...what IS a "real black" person? People been telling me that I'm not a real black woman. That right there lets me that it is "BLACKS" who feed into the very stereotype that non-AAs have for us.
Very well said as usual Ashley!
BlackAmericanPri ncess

Dayton, OH

#19 Aug 15, 2007
Well I can definitely relate... I too am considered "white-washed"... I've ALWAYS gone to white schools and lived in white neighborhoods so that's what I'm use to. And the culture of white surburbia is different from the "hip-hop" culture that lies within the hood. I've always had a hard time fitting in with both black people and white people. Even though I went to white schools I still didn't neccesarily act as "white" as other black girls did. I was always sort of in-between. I never had the valley-girl talk, nor did I shop at Ambercrombie, American Eagle, etc... I didn't like talking about tanning, and I didn't drink--so I didn't really have many white friends to begin with. I was never REALLY identified as "whitewashed" but then again people didn't identify me as being "black" either.
when I went to a college that had a good amounts of blacks--I found that I still didn't fit in there. The black girls could TELL that I was not from Chicago and a lot of them took advantage of that. They were mean to me and hard. And they didn't like me at all. I had to walk around looking hard just so many of the black girls at that school would leave me alone. I transferred from that school and now I go to another predimonantly white school--and STILL I don't have that MANY white friends...
Yet, when I meet black people who aren't from white surburbia the first thing they ask is "Where did you grow up?" "I can tell you aren't from here", "Your a white girl trapped in a black girls body"... Matter of fact my black roommate told me that the only reason the black girls at the school I go to now--identify with me--is because although I don't "black" I have a big ass, and thick legs... And I found that what my roommate said was right, because at first many of the black girls were nice to me and seemed as though they wanted to befriend me. But once I admit that I like alternative, pop--and that I like watching the Hills and Laguna Beach-well the friendships don't really take place.
But then again I don't really care... For some reason it never bothered me that SOME black people considered me white-washed. I just didn't care, lol. I'm not a hood-rat and I WILL NOT act like one just so I can be considered black. And how can anyone tell you that you aren't black when clearly you have black parents, black skin, and you certainly don't LOOK white. Black people are individuals--we all have an assortment of personalities, likes and dislikes... We don't all conform to the same stereotype and we shouldn't... That would be boring and also quite sad if we all were hoodrats. I think that your behaviors and likes have a lot to do with your class, where you grew up, and the sort of people you hang out with MORE SO than what race you are.
BUT I must admit that although I talk with proper english, and love white shows and white music--I can't wear Ambercrombie or American Eagle nor do I speak valley girl language. Also wierdly enough ALTHOUGH I've grown up around more white guys than black, I'm not attracted to white men or asian men.. I still love black men, I still like hip-hop, I still enjoy certain aspects of black culture. I go to the hood every now and then.... The boyfriend I have right now--well he's black and puerto-rican and he does not say "bro" nor does he dress like a prep--he dress more urban and speaks urban--because that's where he was raised and who he idenfies with.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I dip and dabble into many differnt things. I love plays, musuems, jazz concerts, AND I also love slam poetry, open-mic night, hip hop, Harolds Fried chicken in Chicago lol... I mean just because we're black DOES not mean that we have to act a certain way. As you can see not every black person is the same. Yes we all LOOK black, but we are also individuals with different behaviors, likes, and dislikes..

“Logic”

Since: Jun 07

Land Of Mathematics

#20 Aug 15, 2007
Ashley wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you handsome :D. Judging by some of your posts in other threads and your avatar, you are the type of AA man that I would find myself attracted to. You seem very intelligent, content in your life, and appreciate the things in life that can help ALL people the most like mathematics and such. Yes, I've read your profile just now lol.
Thank you for that Ashley. I have helped a lot of people when it becomes to Mathematics. That is my major and I am a minor in computer science. So what about you, what are you studying?
The Real King

Las Vegas, NV

#21 Aug 15, 2007
LadyNemesis2007 wrote:
So, Why is it that I can't have a freindship with black people from the "hood" so to speak, because they diss the heck out of me and are so quick to call the music I listen to trash to my face, they aren't even polite about voicing thier opinion abou the way I talk (valley girl). And my taste in music and dress...(Techno, Alternative, Rock) I don't get all nasty when they play thier stupid little "pop pop bag" "hoe-bitch-suck-my-dicck- shootemup-driveby" stuff. I don't get all nasty, I just refer to us having a different taste in music thats all. I date men who are white and Latino, and if I do date a black guy he wear Ambercrombie and Fitch, skateboards and says "Bro" instead of "Niggah". It is Black people like us who totally mess up your definition of what Black is, and calls into question.. What does it mean to be black? Skin color, prefernce in music, speech, behavior, prefernce in food, loyalty in same race dating? I have been rejected by my so-calle people for so long it hurts. And you wonder why we have people like Bill Cosby, Condolezza Rice,etc. The hostility that comes at me is UNBELIVEABLE. That type of nasty rage definatly has something at the root of oit so yall please tell me what it is!!!!
Q: WHAT DEFINES BLACK? WHO IS IN AND WHO IS OUT?
It's crazy how people define being black as being "Ghetto". It's like... If a Black Man or Woman is educated or listens to music other than the stereotypical "Black Music" or has respect for their peers they are not Black. Why are us black people only considered black if we have bad attitudes, sell dope or rob. It's not only whites that think this way about us, it is Blacks and just about every other race I come across. I agree with savvy101 in the point made about this keeping us from moving forward. Now there saying Obama isn't "Black" enough. What the F*ck is that about? How is someone Black not Black? Ignorance! Must he be shown on the 8 o'clock news robbing a liquor store to be black. Maybe he have to perm is hair. I worked along side a Black Man who was obviously a good guy and I must admit he was pretty square but he was most definitely black. However, whenever someone would speak of him they would say he was the Whitest Black Man they ever knew. I just figured he was a nerdy Black Man. Nothing wrong with that.
I couldn't care less about what anybody thinks of me. Fuck em! Be proud of you and if someone has something negative to say then just keep your distance. Those dumb ass people will figure it out one day. Life is to be lived and enjoyed... It is a gift. Many people don't get the oppurtunity to live a long life. Enjoy every minute of it!

If there was one test in life that God wants to see if we will pass I believe it would be whether or not we will see pass outer appearances and instead see people as Human Beings. Imagine how much further the "Human Race" would be if we didn't waist time trippin over the differences in Skin Color, Sexual Preferences, Shapes and Sizes.

Since: Jun 07

Nashville, TN

#22 Aug 15, 2007
Wow Lady Nemesis,
You are preaching to the choir. For some reason the stereotype for white people is talking proper and for our culture its talking in slang which has disgusted me all my life. There are other negative stereotypes about our culture that I make a conscience effort to squash but at the same time for me to be accepted in our culture , i can't really go against the stereotype white people have for us so it leaves me in a "gray zone". Now what is horrible is that I'm not even physcally attracted to white females but I date them because AA women don't like me.

“I believe”

Since: Aug 07

Long Beach, CA

#23 Aug 15, 2007
Kimmycat wrote:
<quoted text>To be honest, my fellow Blacks are the ones that have labeled and stereotyped me. People of other races have always accepted me. I have had the same experience with my fellow Blacks not accepting me
.
Yes! I have had the same experince! 85% of all the direct pain I have endured has been at the hands, mouths and behaviors of black people who look just like me.... I still have no idea why I should be loyal. Even if I was "ghettofabulous."

Why the fu-k should i stand up for a people that has done nothing but bring me grief? Both women and men.

“I believe”

Since: Aug 07

Long Beach, CA

#24 Aug 15, 2007
BlackAmericanPrincess wrote:
I love plays, musuems, jazz concerts, AND I also love slam poetry, open-mic night, hip hop, Harolds Fried chicken in Chicago lol... I mean just because we're black DOES not mean that we have to act a certain way. As you can see not every black person is the same. Yes we all LOOK black, but we are also individuals with different behaviors, likes, and dislikes..
Thank you so much for sharing gurl....=)
Ashley

Denver, CO

#25 Aug 15, 2007
Negrogod wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait Ashley your black or white? you come off as white.
To be specific with you: Senegalese American, French, Scottish, and Native (Cherokee), but lets JUST proudly go with African American. What made you think that I came off as "white"?
Ashley

Denver, CO

#26 Aug 15, 2007
Kimmycat wrote:
<quoted text>
Very well said as usual Ashley!
Thanks. How are you and "Leprechaun" doing? LOL.

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