Englands first black Queen
Egmond Codfried

Netherlands

#176 Feb 23, 2008

“My Great Grandmother”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#177 Feb 23, 2008
bilt wrote:
African? joking are you not.
Black is a term only recently applied to mean Africans or negroes.
In them days Black could have been applied to any non-white race.
Most likley she was Asian, Indian, middle eastern etc.
not black certainly.
How Blacks like to make anything they percieve as good into Black.
No. They really mean of African origin.

Ric Ricland

“"Same as it ever was..."”

Since: Jan 07

Dayton, OH

#178 Feb 23, 2008
Egmond Codfried wrote:
All very nice, Egmound, but my interest is strictly Charlotte Sophia.

As I say, I've seen no evidence showing her parents or grandparents were black. The fact that every European royal had a black forbearer, as you propose, doesn't help me fill this gap in my novel about her.

ricland
Mark

Netherlands

#179 Feb 23, 2008
Egmond hou op met die afro-centrische onzin je maakt jezelf belachelijk!

(English: Egmond stop this afro-centric crap you make yourself ridiculous)

None of those pics are proof that these folks were black. There were no blacks in europe at that time, the only blacks at that time in europe were slaves in portugal. Blacks did not enter europe until a few decades ago.

Mark/Nijmegen
Blackinjun

United States

#180 Feb 23, 2008
Mark wrote:
Egmond hou op met die afro-centrische onzin je maakt jezelf belachelijk!
(English: Egmond stop this afro-centric crap you make yourself ridiculous)
None of those pics are proof that these folks were black. There were no blacks in europe at that time, the only blacks at that time in europe were slaves in portugal. Blacks did not enter europe until a few decades ago.
Mark/Nijmegen
I wonder how many people will read his comments and take them as fact?

"Other out-of-Africa sites with ancient hominid remains have been found in Java, Indonesia, and Dmanisi in the Republic of Georgia. Scientists have been able to date the lava flows beneath the Dmanisi site at 1.6 to 1.8 million years, though there is no indication of how much later the artifacts were deposited atop the lava."

http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/newsarch/2001...

Now of course they gotta call them "hominids" but what they don't tell you is that complex statues and pottery and works of African arts where also found in the Republic of Georgia...lol

The european is tricky and he uses his colonization of academia to support his white supreamacy. I believe soon you won't be able to find this kind of information on the web and people don't go to the library. And forget the "HIS-Story" channel..that's a joke.

Ric Ricland

“"Same as it ever was..."”

Since: Jan 07

Dayton, OH

#181 Feb 23, 2008
Blackinjun wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder how many people will read his comments and take them as fact?
"Other out-of-Africa sites with ancient hominid remains have been found in Java, Indonesia, and Dmanisi in the Republic of Georgia. Scientists have been able to date the lava flows beneath the Dmanisi site at 1.6 to 1.8 million years, though there is no indication of how much later the artifacts were deposited atop the lava."
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/newsarch/2001...
Now of course they gotta call them "hominids" but what they don't tell you is that complex statues and pottery and works of African arts where also found in the Republic of Georgia...lol
The european is tricky and he uses his colonization of academia to support his white supreamacy. I believe soon you won't be able to find this kind of information on the web and people don't go to the library. And forget the "HIS-Story" channel..that's a joke.
You're slipping back into your dumb afrocentism, blackinjun.

I thought you had gown out of that.

ricland

“To know love is to know life”

Level 1

Since: Jan 08

Los Angeles, California.

#182 Feb 23, 2008
Mark wrote:
Egmond hou op met die afro-centrische onzin je maakt jezelf belachelijk!
(English: Egmond stop this afro-centric crap you make yourself ridiculous)
None of those pics are proof that these folks were black. There were no blacks in europe at that time, the only blacks at that time in europe were slaves in portugal. Blacks did not enter europe until a few decades ago.
Mark/Nijmegen
Your wrong in your assumption, there have been black people in Europe for around three hundred years.

And there have been black people in England for longer.

“My Great Grandmother”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#183 Feb 23, 2008
From the looks of this thread the world is full of mystery.
Mark

Netherlands

#184 Feb 24, 2008
How did the blacks manage to end up in Europe at that time and where did they come from. There is no proof of that, afro-centrism is nonsense. Because some artifacts look dark, some jump to the conclusion that it must be african. As I said before africans entered Europe in the past few decades, there were no blacks in Europe before that and have never been.
FYI The moors were not black either they were a mix of Berber ,Arab and local Visigoths. You people should read real historians and not frauds like diop, bernal and runoko. None of these frauds were historians.

Mark/Nijmegen

ps: Im Turkish descendent so don't call me a euro-centric.

Ric Ricland

“"Same as it ever was..."”

Since: Jan 07

Dayton, OH

#185 Feb 24, 2008
Mark wrote:
How did the blacks manage to end up in Europe at that time and where did they come from. There is no proof of that, afro-centrism is nonsense. Because some artifacts look dark, some jump to the conclusion that it must be african. As I said before africans entered Europe in the past few decades, there were no blacks in Europe before that and have never been.
FYI The moors were not black either they were a mix of Berber ,Arab and local Visigoths. You people should read real historians and not frauds like diop, bernal and runoko. None of these frauds were historians.
Mark/Nijmegen
ps: Im Turkish descendent so don't call me a euro-centric.
Africans were in Europe before the ancient Greeks and Romans. The Greeks, for example, had a special contingent of African troop and this is well-documented.

Ancient Rome no doubt had as many blacks as are found in Rome today. Well-documented in both text and art.

And what about the three wise men who visited Baby Jesus? Since time memorial one has been depicted as black. Why do you think this is?

ricland
Blackinjun

United States

#186 Feb 24, 2008
Mark wrote:
How did the blacks manage to end up in Europe at that time and where did they come from. There is no proof of that, afro-centrism is nonsense. Because some artifacts look dark, some jump to the conclusion that it must be african. As I said before africans entered Europe in the past few decades, there were no blacks in Europe before that and have never been.
FYI The moors were not black either they were a mix of Berber ,Arab and local Visigoths. You people should read real historians and not frauds like diop, bernal and runoko. None of these frauds were historians.
Mark/Nijmegen
ps: Im Turkish descendent so don't call me a euro-centric.
here's a couple pictures for you..

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~cfford/Indoeur...

Please notice that the "turks" are of the anatolian branch of the indo-european therefore it's normal that you be "eurocentric."

Second:

http://www.history.upenn.edu/coursepages/hist...

Note the position of the "posited homestead" of the european, isn't that "turkey" just to the left?

also note: AND THIS IS IMPORTANT..

that the civilizations of Babylon, Kemet (egypt), Mohenjo-doro, Sumeria, etc. are already in place waiting for the arrival of the indo-european "migration."

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#187 Feb 24, 2008
Mark wrote:
How did the blacks manage to end up in Europe at that time and where did they come from. There is no proof of that, afro-centrism is nonsense. Because some artifacts look dark, some jump to the conclusion that it must be african. As I said before africans entered Europe in the past few decades, there were no blacks in Europe before that and have never been.
FYI The moors were not black either they were a mix of Berber ,Arab and local Visigoths. You people should read real historians and not frauds like diop, bernal and runoko. None of these frauds were historians.
Mark/Nijmegen
ps: Im Turkish descendent so don't call me a euro-centric.
Black means of african descent... it doesnt actually mean that the people have to have dark skin-- South asians have darker skin than many blcak americans but they are not considered black they are asian.

The berbers or amazigh are indigenous to north africa and therefore it is not incorrect to consider them to be black. The moors are a mix of arab and berber people and they can still be considered "black" just as any other creole race.

BTW... I am amazigh on my fathers side and french/indian on my mothers-- so please dont attempt to call me afrocentric-- I just speak the truth as I know it.

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#188 Feb 24, 2008
Mark wrote:
How did the blacks manage to end up in Europe at that time and where did they come from. There is no proof of that, afro-centrism is nonsense. Because some artifacts look dark, some jump to the conclusion that it must be african. As I said before africans entered Europe in the past few decades, there were no blacks in Europe before that and have never been.
FYI The moors were not black either they were a mix of Berber ,Arab and local Visigoths. You people should read real historians and not frauds like diop, bernal and runoko. None of these frauds were historians.
Mark/Nijmegen
ps: Im Turkish descendent so don't call me a euro-centric.
you need to step outside of that little box of yours and get yourself a REAL history lesson of the north africa, the middle east and medieval europe.

thanks
asmara
Blackinjun

United States

#189 Feb 24, 2008
Asmara wrote:
<quoted text>
you need to step outside of that little box of yours and get yourself a REAL history lesson of the north africa, the middle east and medieval europe.
thanks
asmara
I don't doubt that the berbers were one of the "original" inhabitants of this place now called "north" Africa..but since the romans and later the arabs, they have been cross bred and miscegenated almost out of their African existance. No unlike the american negro. the roman/german/arab blood, plus the removal of their ancestral belief systems equals-YOU!
Alem

Plainfield, NJ

#190 Feb 24, 2008
sthldn girl wrote:
wow thats amazeing jma,,i never knew this,,didnt no there was any black royals lol..so what happened to them?????
There are ALOT of black royals, its just that they aren't from Europe. In Africa, there were many kingdoms, some of which lasted into the twentieth century, like the Ethiopian Empire. There is also the Kingdom of Morocco which exists today.

IN FACT!! King Haile Selassie of Ethiopia is considered to be a messiah by the Rastafarians in Jamaica.
Mark

Netherlands

#191 Feb 24, 2008
You people are really ignorant you live in a fantasy world. I dont know what you smoke but it must be strong.
Blackinjun, you prove my point that you dont know about history. I advise you to read history books and not books by that 3 mentioned books of those frauds. First of all the Turks are an asian people, they migrated from their homeland in Mongolia and north china to anatolia. The present day Turks is the descendants of those conquering Turkic tribes. The Turks speak an altaic language totally unrelated to indo european languages. Get that.
The afrocentrism you all hang on to is the result ignorant minds like diop and bernal etc.
Sub saharan africa was still in the stone age when the arabs and europeans came to (sub saharan) africa.
The north african berbers are indigenous to that erea, the blacks found there are the result of slavery.
You people are the result of the defect american public education so many speak of that leaves millions of children ignorant. I dont blame you for that.

Mark/Nijmegen

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#192 Feb 24, 2008
Blackinjun wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't doubt that the berbers were one of the "original" inhabitants of this place now called "north" Africa..but since the romans and later the arabs, they have been cross bred and miscegenated almost out of their African existance. No unlike the american negro. the roman/german/arab blood, plus the removal of their ancestral belief systems equals-YOU!
arent you done riding on your imaginary high horse yet dimwit?

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#193 Feb 24, 2008
Mark wrote:
You people are really ignorant you live in a fantasy world. I dont know what you smoke but it must be strong.
Blackinjun, you prove my point that you dont know about history. I advise you to read history books and not books by that 3 mentioned books of those frauds. First of all the Turks are an asian people, they migrated from their homeland in Mongolia and north china to anatolia. The present day Turks is the descendants of those conquering Turkic tribes. The Turks speak an altaic language totally unrelated to indo european languages. Get that.
The afrocentrism you all hang on to is the result ignorant minds like diop and bernal etc.
Sub saharan africa was still in the stone age when the arabs and europeans came to (sub saharan) africa.
The north african berbers are indigenous to that erea, the blacks found there are the result of slavery.
You people are the result of the defect american public education so many speak of that leaves millions of children ignorant. I dont blame you for that.
Mark/Nijmegen
you are right that Blackinjun doesnt know ANYTHING at all about actual history. However-- if you also will please take care not insult North Africa... as what youy say about it is not actaully true either but extremely biased and stereotypical.
Blackinjun

United States

#194 Feb 24, 2008
Mark wrote:
You people are really ignorant you live in a fantasy world. I dont know what you smoke but it must be strong.
Blackinjun, you prove my point that you dont know about history. I advise you to read history books and not books by that 3 mentioned books of those frauds. First of all the Turks are an asian people, they migrated from their homeland in Mongolia and north china to anatolia. The present day Turks is the descendants of those conquering Turkic tribes. The Turks speak an altaic language totally unrelated to indo european languages. Get that.
The afrocentrism you all hang on to is the result ignorant minds like diop and bernal etc.
Sub saharan africa was still in the stone age when the arabs and europeans came to (sub saharan) africa.
The north african berbers are indigenous to that erea, the blacks found there are the result of slavery.
You people are the result of the defect american public education so many speak of that leaves millions of children ignorant. I dont blame you for that.
Mark/Nijmegen
you dumb fluck..if All people originated in Africa how are the "original turks" an ASIAN peoples? So no one lived in this place called "turkey" before your so called fantasy asians arrived?

They migrated west to east, not east to west. You are right about one thing. When they did come west, they came as conquerors. YOU said I need a history lesson? You and that dumb half African wanna be need both a history lesson and a geography lesson.

And those maps are not from any "afrocentric" literature..it's from the white man, which in most minds make it legit..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_la...

you are right about the american educational system being a non functional but whatever one you and that "asmara" person attended needs some serious help too. See I had to go outside of american colonial educational system to remove your white washing colonizing stigma from my mind.
Blackinjun

United States

#195 Feb 24, 2008
Asmara wrote:
<quoted text>
you are right that Blackinjun doesnt know ANYTHING at all about actual history. However-- if you also will please take care not insult North Africa... as what youy say about it is not actaully true either but extremely biased and stereotypical.
you just can't part with your racist can you? I may not be able to teach you, but they sure as hell will..they don't like muslims.

They'll not let you have any non european pride..only pride in their world views and witness their "tolerence" of the cultural others.

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