Activists rally in Detroit for immigration reform

Apr 10, 2013 Full story: Detroit News 1,155

A few dozen members of a coalition of labor activists held a brief rally outside a Homeland Security office Wednesday in support of sweeping immigration reform being considered in Congress.

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“Obsidian Princess”

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Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#1 Apr 11, 2013
im at the point of believing that this government wants illegal immigrants here working because the corporations (that own this goverment) can systematically lower wages and benefits of American citizens.

and latins/mexicans are not the only groups who come over here illegaly.

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Since: Nov 11

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#2 Apr 11, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
im at the point of believing that this government wants illegal immigrants here working because the corporations (that own this goverment) can systematically lower wages and benefits of American citizens.
and latins/mexicans are not the only groups who come over here illegaly.
No kidding. You just figured that out? Corporations hate Unions, duh. Outsourcing is part of the same syndrome... anything to push back the USA worker into serfdom... that is what they want.

Those Union wages and benefits, safety conditions, etc., were fought for over many decades by a dedicated UNION movement which is now being ignored. White workers conducted that struggle, mostly.

These same corporations pay crap wages under poor conditions in their Mexican sweatshops. They are abusing EVERYONE.

Time for multi-ethnic SOLIDARITY, I'd say... but you hate whitey too much to participate in that, right?

Since: Feb 09

My Own World

#3 Apr 11, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
im at the point of believing that this government wants illegal immigrants here working because the corporations (that own this goverment) can systematically lower wages and benefits of American citizens.
and latins/mexicans are not the only groups who come over here illegaly.
Of course. But US citizens never really protest it. Years ago I went with some family members to an anti-illegal immigration protest- and hardly anyone showed up. There were more people (about three-four times as many) who came to counter us and apparently advocate FOR it. There were Mexicans and numerous White and Black Americans on that side. There were a few who were men dressed like ballerinas, LOL. They had on tutus and tights- but their faces and hairstyles were masculine and they didn't wear makeup. They blew sparkle confetti at people. My Dad threatened to kick their azz and my mom had us leave, lmao.

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Since: Nov 11

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#4 Apr 11, 2013
sONE wrote:
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Of course. But US citizens never really protest it. Years ago I went with some family members to an anti-illegal immigration protest- and hardly anyone showed up. There were more people (about three-four times as many) who came to counter us and apparently advocate FOR it. There were Mexicans and numerous White and Black Americans on that side. There were a few who were men dressed like ballerinas, LOL. They had on tutus and tights- but their faces and hairstyles were masculine and they didn't wear makeup. They blew sparkle confetti at people. My Dad threatened to kick their azz and my mom had us leave, lmao.
Sounds like politics in the USA... a circus!

60's radical “non-leader” Abby Hoffman once was criticized that he claimed to be leading a revolution but was behaving more as a clown. His response was,“This is America. In America the revolution will be led by a clown.”

Back to reality... how can the workers' problems be solved when nobody gets the nature of the problem, and they all hate each other?Dragonpat hates whites, and you hate non-whites, too much to ever cooperate in any meaningful action toward a solution.

How well the system has manipulated folks like you... the black and the white with the same dysfunctional delusions both impotent and meaningless to change.

Dick Cheney & Co. are ecstatic.

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Since: Nov 11

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#5 Apr 11, 2013
Salt'n'pepper schlemiels...

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#6 Apr 11, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
im at the point of believing that this government wants illegal immigrants here working because the corporations (that own this goverment) can systematically lower wages and benefits of American citizens.
and latins/mexicans are not the only groups who come over here illegaly.
All the more reason to try to create solidarity between oppressed American born folk and exploited immigrants. Otherwise, they will play us against each other and crush us all.

Since: Feb 09

My Own World

#7 Apr 11, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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Sounds like politics in the USA... a circus!
60's radical “non-leader” Abby Hoffman once was criticized that he claimed to be leading a revolution but was behaving more as a clown. His response was,“This is America. In America the revolution will be led by a clown.”
Back to reality... how can the workers' problems be solved when nobody gets the nature of the problem, and they all hate each other?Dragonpat hates whites, and you hate non-whites, too much to ever cooperate in any meaningful action toward a solution.
How well the system has manipulated folks like you... the black and the white with the same dysfunctional delusions both impotent and meaningless to change.
Dick Cheney & Co. are ecstatic.
I don't hate non-Whites and could work with any of them toward a mutual goal and have some non-Whites as friends- and yes, I mean friends, not someone I barely know. These non-Whites are basically not accepted by the bulk of their ethnicity/race for not being "authentic" enough to that race/ethnicity-- oreos, coconuts, vendidos, whitewashed, etc. I hate people/am defensive against people who are against me, or feel a stong group identity with a group who's goals go against my well being. This would include certain groups of Whites as well.

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Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#8 Apr 11, 2013
sONE wrote:
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I don't hate non-Whites and could work with any of them toward a mutual goal and have some non-Whites as friends- and yes, I mean friends, not someone I barely know. These non-Whites are basically not accepted by the bulk of their ethnicity/race for not being "authentic" enough to that race/ethnicity-- oreos, coconuts, vendidos, whitewashed, etc. I hate people/am defensive against people who are against me, or feel a stong group identity with a group who's goals go against my well being. This would include certain groups of Whites as well.
In other words, you're not a biological racist, your racism is more of the ethnocentric type. You don't mind Mexicas,s as long as they're well “whitewashed” or “agringados”. So you'll work with non-whites as long as they act white. SMH!!!!!

I once commented to some teachers, where the Principal couldn't hear, and of course I was talking to Mexican teachers, that the better the kids learned English the bigger a$$holes they were. JA JA JA JA yes they all agreed.

Yet you think you should force your Yank a$$hole culture on everyone. GRACIAS pero NO, GRACIAS.

You are USELESS until you are willing to work with everyone involved to get workers their rights, to end corporatism, to make our govt be truly as Lincoln claimed it to be: OF, BY and FOR the PEOPLE.

You cannot presume to exclude PEOPLE who don't speak the language you want, don't practice cultural norms comfortable for YOU.

To be clear: I insult Yank culture but at the same time I see that it, like the USA govt system, does have seeds of good in it, there are aspects of decency, just as the USA govt has its points OCCASIONALLY like when free speech is upheld and so on...

But when you mix it all in with bigotry it just becomes useless.

Since: Feb 09

My Own World

#9 Apr 11, 2013
Savant wrote:
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All the more reason to try to create solidarity between oppressed American born folk and exploited immigrants. Otherwise, they will play us against each other and crush us all.
But a lot of immigrants from throughout the world are glad to undercut US people's wages/salaries- which also sometimes includes using social welfare programs- because their lives are STILL much better than anything they've known. They also have strong group/ethnic identity for their own and are bias toward their own-- which is actually natural.

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Since: Nov 11

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#10 Apr 11, 2013
sONE wrote:
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But a lot of immigrants from throughout the world are glad to undercut US people's wages/salaries- which also sometimes includes using social welfare programs- because their lives are STILL much better than anything they've known. They also have strong group/ethnic identity for their own and are bias toward their own-- which is actually natural.
So WHAT? Workers do what they can to get ahead. Look at Union struggles... when there's a strike, there are SCABS. Yes, people take advantage of what they can. That is irrelevant, since everyone does it. You pretend you're all white and pristine but those nasty “others” aren't playing fair! Again, it's the rulers, the corporations, who aren't playing fair. The capitalists.

There have been largescale multi-ethnic movements in the USA on occasion. In the 60's, to cite that which I know, this was true. Many whites marched with the UFW. Whites went on freedom rides. Blacks, whites, chicanos, everyone showed up for antiwar demonstrations. Non-black entertainers (Tony Bennett, Peter Paul & Mary, Joan Baez) risked their asses and career for civil rights in the South.

Naturally each group has its own interests and also cultural patterns may clash. Today in 2013 I think that right from the beginning, going in, there is less compatibility between groups than there was in the 60's. More division has been fostered, more hostility, more cynicism. FOSTERED, transitive verb, and who is the actor? Corporate power, well it's always the same answer.

THEREFORE, be it resolved that it is pointless to engage in any ethnic, social, cultural, religious or other divisiveness when there is a common enemy, a common struggle and a common goal before us.
EBT Blackman

Jersey City, NJ

#11 Apr 11, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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In other words, you're not a biological racist, your racism is more of the ethnocentric type. You don't mind Mexicas,s as long as they're well “whitewashed” or “agringados”. So you'll work with non-whites as long as they act white. SMH!!!!!
Why do idiots like yourself assume whites want other races to "act white"? No, we want them to be law abiding, hard working, and value education. If you consider that "acting white" then YOU'RE the racist.

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Since: Nov 11

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#12 Apr 11, 2013
EBT Blackman wrote:
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Why do idiots like yourself assume whites want other races to "act white"? No, we want them to be law abiding, hard working, and value education. If you consider that "acting white" then YOU'RE the racist.
No, moron, I'm referring to cultural patterns. Trying to enforce English everywhere, for example. Using cultural differences to create divisiveness which then inhibits solidarity, obviously.

The mistrust and misunderstanding by Yanks toward illegal immigrants is a case in point. There is no reason all workers should not be standing together. The same people are screwing them all on both sides of the border.

So a big DUH if you can't grasp this.
EBT Blackman

Jersey City, NJ

#14 Apr 11, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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No, moron, I'm referring to cultural patterns. Trying to enforce English everywhere, for example. Using cultural differences to create divisiveness which then inhibits solidarity, obviously.
The mistrust and misunderstanding by Yanks toward illegal immigrants is a case in point. There is no reason all workers should not be standing together. The same people are screwing them all on both sides of the border.
So a big DUH if you can't grasp this.
And you got all THAT from her post?
All she said was "I hate people/am defensive against people who are against me, or feel a stong group identity with a group who's goals go against my well being. This would include certain groups of Whites as well."
She's supposed to WELCOME anti-white bigots with open arms?

Since: Feb 09

My Own World

#15 Apr 11, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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So WHAT? Workers do what they can to get ahead. Look at Union struggles... when there's a strike, there are SCABS. Yes, people take advantage of what they can. That is irrelevant, since everyone does it. You pretend you're all white and pristine but those nasty “others” aren't playing fair! Again, it's the rulers, the corporations, who aren't playing fair. The capitalists.
Yes, it's normal to fight scabs as well. Unions always did. I am AMERICAN and I am into protecting what regular AMERICANS have built up for their own people-- not to be squandered away by greedy people at the top and foreigners that work for what they will offer. It has become global. All need to fight it in their own nations as they see fit. American workers do not need to be sandwiched between the elite on one end and foreign workers often hostile to them and showing favoritism to their own.

We don't need immigration here anymore really- except in very special circumstances.

Since: Feb 09

My Own World

#16 Apr 11, 2013
EBT Blackman wrote:
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She's supposed to WELCOME anti-white bigots with open arms?
Apparently.

Since: Feb 09

My Own World

#17 Apr 11, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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No, moron, I'm referring to cultural patterns. Trying to enforce English everywhere, for example. Using cultural differences to create divisiveness which then inhibits solidarity, obviously.
The mistrust and misunderstanding by Yanks toward illegal immigrants is a case in point. There is no reason all workers should not be standing together. The same people are screwing them all on both sides of the border.
So a big DUH if you can't grasp this.
It needs to be fought on both sides of the border as well as in other places- so people should be doing it in their own nations for their own people.

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Since: Nov 11

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#18 Apr 11, 2013
EBT Blackman wrote:
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And you got all THAT from her post?
All she said was "I hate people/am defensive against people who are against me, or feel a stong group identity with a group who's goals go against my well being. This would include certain groups of Whites as well."
She's supposed to WELCOME anti-white bigots with open arms?
The racist equates anyone with a divergent (from the white Yank norm) culture as “anti-white bigots”.

The bigotry comes from those who indulge in cultural assassination against immigrants. There's something WRONG with them, they're insufficienty Yankified.

Yank culture is tawdry, tacky, loud, childish, arrogant, smug, ignorant, and backasswards so don't be forcing it on people.
bob

Phoenix, AZ

#19 Apr 11, 2013
Maybe we should bring the drug cartals here to America That way they could sell their product easily and kill the people they kill and when the illegals see this happening they will go back to mexico or home where it is safe . And we can seal our borders round up the cartals and deport them . and keep them out . then maybe the illegals will fight for freedom and rights in their home country and not want to steal the border.
Yiddish beaner

Tokyo, Japan

#20 Apr 11, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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No, moron, I'm referring to cultural patterns. Trying to enforce English everywhere, for example. Using cultural differences to create divisiveness which then inhibits solidarity, obviously.
The mistrust and misunderstanding by Yanks toward illegal immigrants is a case in point. There is no reason all workers should not be standing together. The same people are screwing them all on both sides of the border.
So a big DUH if you can't grasp this.
English is the language of business, technology and industry, even the Chinese are learning it as a second language. It is also the international language of the air and sea, and you want people in a predominantly English speaking country to be allowed to speak any language they wish?

The EU is a cesspit of inefficiency because the official languages have to be catered for, making legislation ridiculously complex, expensive and time consuming, and even with all the care that is taken some documentation loses something when translated from one language to another.

Because you are a Yiddish-beaner I suppose you want Hebrew and 'Spickanese' to be the offical language of the US?

Language is what brings people together into nationhood, divided languages bring about divided nations, do you read any history?

Here's the fact, Yiddish-beaner, no Spanish or Portuguese country can compare with the success of this great English speaking country, what does that tell you about all you beaners and pseudo-beaners and your culture ?

Folks in the US are not being White, they are being American, beaners like you see the success and want to cross the border - illegally mostly - and share the good life.

You beaners have never ran a successful efficient country, how many Americans rush to Beanerland for the good life?

I'd say that whatever it is that contributes to or makes the US what it is, is making it MORE successful than its neighbors, why the hell should a successful nation accept the culture, language and standards of all the failed peoples of meso and south America?

You are a funny beaner, you want the US to turn into another criminally run, corrupt failed state like Mexico. It will never happen.
bob

Phoenix, AZ

#22 Apr 11, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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The racist equates anyone with a divergent (from the white Yank norm) culture as “anti-white bigots”.
The bigotry comes from those who indulge in cultural assassination against immigrants. There's something WRONG with them, they're insufficienty Yankified.
Yank culture is tawdry, tacky, loud, childish, arrogant, smug, ignorant, and backasswards so don't be forcing it on people.
And yet people come from all over the world to be around these people . I think there is something wrong with them . If you dont like America dont come no one is forcing anyone to come to America . Dont like it ??? Go home !!!!!!!!!!

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