Ancient Sumeria (black or white)?
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#742 Sep 24, 2012
kikuyuguy wrote:
OP,the Sumerians were of course African,as was everyone else in the ME as far as China at the time. They were craniometrically identified as such almost a 100 years ago,but as usual some people didn't get the memo.
"Marcel Dieulafoy and M. de Quatrefages observed that the craniometrics of the ancient Elamites of Susa indicate that they were Sub-Saharan Africans or Negroes (Dieulafoy,2010).
Ancient Sub-Saharan African skeletons have also been found in Mesopotamia (Tomczyk et al, 2010). The craniometric data indicates that continuity existed between ancient and medieval Sub-Saharan Africans in Mesopotamia (Ricault & Waelkens,2008). "
http://karanjazplace.blogspot.com/2012/09/the...
You are an fn idiot. Neither the Sumerians NOR people as far off as China wee 'Africans', you stupid troll. Sumerians were West Asians and people in China were EAST Asians. They derived from proto-Eurasian like people, NOT Sub Saharan Africans, and they don't even cluster genetically close to Sub Saharan Africans. What dingleberries you Afrocentric fools are.

"We estimate that Eurasian populations split from ancient Africans at 58,000-120,800 years ago, and the divergence time of Europeans and Asians occurred at 35,750-70,500 years ago."
~ Analytical inference of human demographic history using multiple individual genome sequences
http://www.ashg.org/2012meeting/abstracts/ful...

“i don't shout and don't hate”

Level 4

Since: Mar 09

nairobi

#744 Sep 24, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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You are an fn idiot. Neither the Sumerians NOR people as far off as China wee 'Africans', you stupid troll. Sumerians were West Asians and people in China were EAST Asians. They derived from proto-Eurasian like people, NOT Sub Saharan Africans, and they don't even cluster genetically close to Sub Saharan Africans. What dingleberries you Afrocentric fools are.
"We estimate that Eurasian populations split from ancient Africans at 58,000-120,800 years ago, and the divergence time of Europeans and Asians occurred at 35,750-70,500 years ago."
~ Analytical inference of human demographic history using multiple individual genome sequences
http://www.ashg.org/2012meeting/abstracts/ful...
WTFever! Don't make funny faces and bleat at me-argue with the data;which states that the Sumerians were craniometrically Africans. Pulling out meaningless descriptions from your arse,though emotionally comforting is still meaningless. Btw,why does it bother you and your ilk so much? Why do you get so worked up? Is it discovering blacks weren't simply slaves and menials throughout their history? I'M CURIOUS.
David

Ardsley, NY

#745 Sep 25, 2012
kikuyuguy wrote:
<quoted text>
I'M CURIOUS.
No you are stupid.
Gore

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#747 Oct 17, 2012
kikuyuguy wrote:
<quoted text>
I'M CURIOUS.

David said: "No you are stupid".

Gore observes: David has taken the most insignificant part of what kikuyuguy said and responded. That is not a proper response. If you want to see fearless non-coward scholarship, which settles the question, watch:

&fe ature=BFa&list=ULObJxrYUee 7s

And read: http://www.amazon.com/Black-Sumer-African-Civ...

Level 4

Since: Aug 12

Poughquag, NY

#748 Oct 17, 2012
Totenkopf wrote:
People of Sumer would be best described as Mesopatamians. They called themselves sag-giga (black headed people). According to Berrosus a Babylonian historian from 300 BC, they were black faced foriegners. There are older cities such as Jericho.
Black head could = Black hair. A lot of Europeans have close to Black hair especially in Southern Europe.

If Sumerians were Black skinned it would be more likely they were like Asian Indians than like Africans.

Level 4

Since: Aug 12

Poughquag, NY

#749 Oct 17, 2012
Sumerians were clearly Caucasoid.

Sumerians with blue eyes & Caucasoid features.

http://www.google.com/imgres...

Sumerians also depicted themselves with white skin & long noses.

http://www.google.com/imgres...

http://www.google.com/imgres...
David

Ardsley, NY

#750 Oct 17, 2012
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
Sumerians were clearly Caucasoid.
Sumerians with blue eyes & Caucasoid features.
http://www.google.com/imgres...
Sumerians also depicted themselves with white skin & long noses.
http://www.google.com/imgres ?
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http://www.google.com/imgres...
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These children of Sub Saharan African slaves are over obsessed with trying to claim every civilization and people outside of Africa as "black Africans", even civilizations and people who were never black nor Africans. They post these idiotic YouTube clips uploaded by other crazy Afrocentric fools and fail to realize they have become the laughing stocks of the world. Even other Africans laugh at their stupidity.

“i don't shout and don't hate”

Level 4

Since: Mar 09

nairobi

#751 Oct 19, 2012
Gore wrote:
kikuyuguy wrote:
<quoted text>
I'M CURIOUS.
David said: "No you are stupid".
Gore observes: David has taken the most insignificant part of what kikuyuguy said and responded. That is not a proper response. If you want to see fearless non-coward scholarship, which settles the question, watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =PE8Cj1g1_T0XX&feature=BFa &list=ULObJxrYUee7s
And read: http://www.amazon.com/Black-Sumer-African-Civ...
Of course I noticed but it doesn't matter. David and his tribe's opinions aren't important for my self esteem. I've proved the issue so he resorts to non sequiturs and irrelevancies.
The Sumerians were black. The link I gave will show how as far as N.E Asia there still exist linguistic links with Africa.
David

Springfield, NJ

#752 Oct 19, 2012
kikuyuguy wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course I noticed but it doesn't matter. David and his tribe's opinions aren't important for my self esteem. I've proved the issue so he resorts to non sequiturs and irrelevancies.
The Sumerians were black. The link I gave will show how as far as N.E Asia there still exist linguistic links with Africa.
You didn't prove anything other then what a ridicoulse Afrocentric fool you are. There are zero connections with Africa in N. E. Asia both genetically and linguistically. N. E. Asians cluster the furthest from you Africans. The Sumerians were not black Africans and they had absolutely nothing to do with your West Sub Saharan African ancestors.
Barros Serrano

United States

#753 Oct 19, 2012
In ancient times there was movement of “black” Africans into southern Arabia, and in pre-Neolithic times partly-black Natufians had inhabited the Levant.

But Sumer? No.“Craniometric” doesn't settle a thing. That is well known in anthropology, that those measurements do NOT reliably indicate ancestry or genetic haplotype.

The Sumerians were Mideasterners. Just like the Hebrews, Berbers, etc.

STOP trying to erase people from history by stealing their identities!

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#754 Oct 19, 2012
The Sumerians were BLACK AFRICANS that spoke a MANDE LANGUAGE.

...according to linguistic expert, Clyde Winters.

So I guess that settles that matter.

On to Black China...

This non-African civilization claiming is kinda fun. ;^D
Barros Serrano

United States

#755 Oct 19, 2012
Bakari Neferu wrote:
The Sumerians were BLACK AFRICANS that spoke a MANDE LANGUAGE.
...according to linguistic expert, Clyde Winters.
So I guess that settles that matter.
On to Black China...
This non-African civilization claiming is kinda fun. ;^D
Who's possibly even more comical than Winters is Rashidi. I don't know why he doesn't come up much in here... I'm sure all these culture-vultures love his “Cambodia was black” theory.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#758 Nov 6, 2012
The forehead was retreating and the brow ridges were always prominent, the cheek bones were rather broad and the nose also was broad, in some case inclining to extreme platyrrhine…There can be no doubt that this type is that which has been described by Sergi, Giuffrida-Ruggeri, and Fleure, and named the Eurafican type…

L.H. Dudley & D. Talbot Rice the Field Museum and Oxford Expedition (1931)

http://www.archive.org/stream/lacropoledesuse...

A Mystery in Clay: Codes, Languages, and a Journey Through Time to the Last...(2009)

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Modern Iraqi men

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Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#759 Nov 7, 2012
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
Sumerians were clearly Caucasoid.
Sumerians with blue eyes & Caucasoid features.
http://www.google.com/imgres...
Sumerians also depicted themselves with white skin & long noses.
http://www.google.com/imgres...
http://www.google.com/imgres...
Those people are Gutians, not Sumerians.

First mention of whites is by the Sumerians who note invasions by the Gutians, who they referred to as 'wild men', coming down from the mountains into Sumer.

Gutians, Caucasus Mountains (caucasians),

Caucasian

1807, from Caucasus Mountains, between the Black and Caspian seas; applied to the "white" race 1795 (in Ger.) by Ger. anthropologist Johann Blumenbach, because their supposed ancestral homeland lay there; since abandoned as a historical/anthropological term. Lit. meaning "resident or native of the Caucasus" is from 1843.

http://www.specialx.net/specialxdotnet/news_i...

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/...

The mountain range name is from Gk. kaukhasis, said by Pliny ("Natural History," book six, chap. XVII) to be from a Scythian word similar to kroy-khasis, lit. "(the mountain) ice-shining, white with snow." But possibly from a Pelasgian root *kau- meaning "mountain."
Russian

Auckland, New Zealand

#760 Feb 1, 2013
I am fine with any origin or race they were. The matter of fact is that all they had was given to them - alphabet, writing, plough, even clothing and they referred to themselves as a slave species of the skydogs, had no understanding of the term freedom and lived in systematic slavery. The whole society then was a society of lords and slaves.

Skygods taught them everything from A to Z and they were genetically created to mine gold (perhaps the earlier race of biorobots)- study their religion.

How after all this can you attribute their advancement to them?

Yeah, carry on this idiotic racist slurr. The "winner race" now becomes "the race of dummies"!

Anyone wants to win? LOLOLOL.
Barros Serrano

United States

#761 Feb 1, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
Those people are Gutians, not Sumerians.
First mention of whites is by the Sumerians who note invasions by the Gutians, who they referred to as 'wild men', coming down from the mountains into Sumer.
Gutians, Caucasus Mountains (caucasians),
Caucasian
1807, from Caucasus Mountains, between the Black and Caspian seas; applied to the "white" race 1795 (in Ger.) by Ger. anthropologist Johann Blumenbach, because their supposed ancestral homeland lay there; since abandoned as a historical/anthropological term. Lit. meaning "resident or native of the Caucasus" is from 1843.
http://www.specialx.net/specialxdotnet/news_i...
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/...
The mountain range name is from Gk. kaukhasis, said by Pliny ("Natural History," book six, chap. XVII) to be from a Scythian word similar to kroy-khasis, lit. "(the mountain) ice-shining, white with snow." But possibly from a Pelasgian root *kau- meaning "mountain."
Wrong as usual, deluded Afronazi dropout boy.

Sumerian art clearly depicts them as Eurasian types.

With the discovery of Elamite script at Jiroft, it is now even more likely that they spoke Dravidian.

Dravidian... a Eurasian (not African) language.

LOL at your 19th -century Caucasian bullshit.
Barros Serrano

United States

#763 Feb 1, 2013
Valerie Rae wrote:
I was always fascinated by the Sumerians, because they were the first known civilization. Literally sprung out of nowhere. Also, the first place the Fallen Angels corrupted. There is a lot biblical history and lore surrounding Sumeria.
Older civilizations are now known, notably Vinca in SE Europe, and Jiroft in southern Iran.
demhat

Wiesbaden, Germany

#764 Mar 14, 2013
The term "Black headed people" was not only used to describe the Summerians but was later adopted to describe the Semitic Akkadians as well all other Mesopotamian people excluding the Gutians, Hurrians and Medes.

The Cyrus the Great Cylinder is said to be the first charter of right of nations in the world becuase Cyrus says there that he shepherded with justice and righteousness all the black-headed nations that he conquered.

And this thousand years after the Sumerian period

On the other hand Cyrus the Great refers to the people of Gutium as "blond haired people"

http://www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/other...

This indicates and proves that "black headed people" referred to their hair color. As we already know from ancient Sumerian statues and how they depicted themselves (in very similar fashion to Akkadians), with long beards and sometimes even light eyes, they can't have been black by race.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kUR4jbNIicU/TxHDSLm...

Most scientists connect Sumerian language to these of the Caucasus and Dravidian languages. It appears very likely that Sumerians immigrated into the Caucasus, Southwestern Iran created Elam and moved into Indus Valley and created Harrapa culture, since the Harrapa culture is based on an agricultural system which was first invented by an 13000 year old culture in Southeast Anatolia around Göbekli Tepe. Also since Egypts flourish is connected to agricultural system scientists believe that their was at least stronger influence from the fertile crescent towards ancient Egypt.

Sumer was the first culture to invent law etc. However there are much older cultures in the landscape of the ancient Middle East. Like Göbekli Tepe, Halaf culture, Hassuna Samara culture, Kura Araxes etc.
civilizations are

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#765 Mar 14, 2013
Jorge wrote:
after the flood, the Sumerian survivors gradually made their way into Africa which is where civilization could start up again..being that they were Mesopotamian, they weren't "black" yet they weren't "white" either..more olive skinned
Green skin?
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#766 Mar 14, 2013
Kobena wrote:
Some say that Sumeria predates Egypt. Now I'd like to know if Sumeria was African or 'Caucasian'.
None of the Middle Eastern people WERE EVER AFRICAN! Africans are only indigenous to Africa.

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