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#62 Jan 26, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
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But the average Jamaican descendant in the UK has two British born parents in fact half or more of them have one white ethnic British parent.
You probably go to Jamaica and act like a white British tourist or at most a wlgga British tourist. In my generation they're many white Brits who cook all that stuff and even go as far to claim they're part Caribbean when clearly they're not.
Culture.
Eating the food and buying the music is one thing, feeling at home in Jamaica as opposed to the UK is another.
I'm not speaking on behalf of my daughter or anyone pretending to be linked to Jamaica.
I am speaking about how I feel as someone raised by parents and grandparents born in Jamaica.
A white tourist isn't going to stay in Jamaica for 6 weeks at a time travelling from one Auntie's house to another.
Being shown an over grown piece of land that "Great Uncle Cyril" left for them in his will in 1984.
They are not going to live and cook and get up on Sunday morning and go to Church with Jamaicans... are they?
Most whites who travel to Jamaica are recommened to stay in gated all inclusive resorts and not to venture outside the gates un escorted.
Someone who has 2 Pakistani parents, will speak Urdu, be Muslim, understand their traditions and cultures and maybe even marry a person born in Pakistan.
That doesn't mean that person would be able to live there and act like a native straight away.
But they would certainly settle in better and have a much better chance of making a life their having family and connections and being raised by people from that country.
Jamaican citizens are living in a poor country and have a different life to my own.
But they acknowledge when someone has TWO parents born on that small Island in the Caribbeam, out of ALL the places in the world both my parents could have been born... it was a small place called Jamaica.
That obvioulsy will mean something to me and them.
And white people saying they are cooking Jamaican food, is the same as white people saying they are cooking Indian or Thai food.
It's a mild, Jamie's Cookbook version of it.
They are not seasoning it right or having it with hot pepper sauce :)

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#63 Jan 26, 2013
Black - Famous wrote:
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There needs to be a shift from ir-dating and allow minds to focus on more pressing issues.
I think some of them are sinking and a change needs to be made.
New strategies need to be explored.
Bigsmoke

London, UK

#64 Jan 26, 2013
Shalimarr wrote:
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I'm not speaking on behalf of my daughter or anyone pretending to be linked to Jamaica.
I am speaking about how I feel as someone raised by parents and grandparents born in Jamaica.
A white tourist isn't going to stay in Jamaica for 6 weeks at a time travelling from one Auntie's house to another.
Being shown an over grown piece of land that "Great Uncle Cyril" left for them in his will in 1984.
They are not going to live and cook and get up on Sunday morning and go to Church with Jamaicans... are they?
Most whites who travel to Jamaica are recommened to stay in gated all inclusive resorts and not to venture outside the gates un escorted.
Someone who has 2 Pakistani parents, will speak Urdu, be Muslim, understand their traditions and cultures and maybe even marry a person born in Pakistan.
That doesn't mean that person would be able to live there and act like a native straight away.
But they would certainly settle in better and have a much better chance of making a life their having family and connections and being raised by people from that country.
Jamaican citizens are living in a poor country and have a different life to my own.
But they acknowledge when someone has TWO parents born on that small Island in the Caribbeam, out of ALL the places in the world both my parents could have been born... it was a small place called Jamaica.
That obvioulsy will mean something to me and them.
And white people saying they are cooking Jamaican food, is the same as white people saying they are cooking Indian or Thai food.
It's a mild, Jamie's Cookbook version of it.
They are not seasoning it right or having it with hot pepper sauce :)
But do you feel homesick in the UK or will you feel homesick in Jamaica? Methinks it's the latter.

Do your parents still live in the UK because I notice many if not most immigrants especially from the tropics once they get to a certain age (eg pensioners) tend to migrate back to their homelands as they can't take the cold anymore.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you look down on the local Jamaicans and only associate with the elite or those close to them who share mannerisms as yourself considering it's a former British colony. You may not be colourist like them (correct me if I'm wrong) but I just can't see you going to one of those crazy raves where they dance like they're possessed with something and fit in.

But I may be wrong.

Do not underestimate humans, what one can do another can perfect in regards to culture. Believe me they're many ethnic white Brits out there who can cook you a Caribbean dish you'd be unable to distinguish from an ethnic Caribbean cooking it.

It's only when things become physical that clear general differences arise eg dancing, running etc.... I wont elaborate, LOL!

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#65 Jan 26, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
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But do you feel homesick in the UK or will you feel homesick in Jamaica? Methinks it's the latter.
Do your parents still live in the UK because I notice many if not most immigrants especially from the tropics once they get to a certain age (eg pensioners) tend to migrate back to their homelands as they can't take the cold anymore.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you look down on the local Jamaicans and only associate with the elite or those close to them who share mannerisms as yourself considering it's a former British colony. You may not be colourist like them (correct me if I'm wrong) but I just can't see you going to one of those crazy raves where they dance like they're possessed with something and fit in.
But I may be wrong.
Do not underestimate humans, what one can do another can perfect in regards to culture. Believe me they're many ethnic white Brits out there who can cook you a Caribbean dish you'd be unable to distinguish from an ethnic Caribbean cooking it.
It's only when things become physical that clear general differences arise eg dancing, running etc.... I wont elaborate, LOL!
You will always be Bigsmoke.
If you marry and AA girl and move to Brooklyn, you will merely be Bigsmoke in Brooklyn.
I don't look down on Jamaicans because there's no difference between us other than logistics.
They were born to 2 Jamaicans living in Jamaica and I was born to two Jamaicans who had left the Island a few years previously.
Also most of the Jamaicans who left, were dirt poor. If you had a business and some status, you wouldn't leave family, friends and sunshine to live among whites in cold rainy England.
Most of the jamaican descent people in the UK are from very poor families with low status in Jamaica.
Nothing to be snobbish about.
The jamaican elite like Sean Paul's family certainly didn't leave and move to Birmingham.
Bigsmoke

London, UK

#66 Jan 26, 2013
Shalimarr wrote:
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You will always be Bigsmoke.
If you marry and AA girl and move to Brooklyn, you will merely be Bigsmoke in Brooklyn.
I don't look down on Jamaicans because there's no difference between us other than logistics.
They were born to 2 Jamaicans living in Jamaica and I was born to two Jamaicans who had left the Island a few years previously.
Also most of the Jamaicans who left, were dirt poor. If you had a business and some status, you wouldn't leave family, friends and sunshine to live among whites in cold rainy England.
Most of the jamaican descent people in the UK are from very poor families with low status in Jamaica.
Nothing to be snobbish about.
The jamaican elite like Sean Paul's family certainly didn't leave and move to Birmingham.
I'd like to visit the US one day but I sure hell wouldn't want to live there permanently and I'm not going to get married. So there will be no Bigsmoke living in Brooklyn married to an ''AA'' girl.

I don't think most of the Jamaicans who came here during the ''windrush generation'' were ''dirt poor'' and I'm sure most didn't know the UK to tough which they saw as the ''motherland''. I believe most who came were middle income in Jamaica with some poor, they were adventurous I guess. It's those Yardies who came here during the 80s - 90s who had to be the dirt poor ones. But I may be wrong.

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#67 Jan 26, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
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I'd like to visit the US one day but I sure hell wouldn't want to live there permanently and I'm not going to get married. So there will be no Bigsmoke living in Brooklyn married to an ''AA'' girl.
I don't think most of the Jamaicans who came here during the ''windrush generation'' were ''dirt poor'' and I'm sure most didn't know the UK to tough which they saw as the ''motherland''. I believe most who came were middle income in Jamaica with some poor, they were adventurous I guess. It's those Yardies who came here during the 80s - 90s who had to be the dirt poor ones. But I may be wrong.
You're arrogance stops you from learning.
The Jamaicans who came during Windrush were dirt poor Jamaicans who were FAILING in Jamaica.
My grandparents and my parents came over in the Windrush.
I know many Jamaican families through my granddad's church.
Jamaicans love Jamaica.
In those days it was not so brutal and unruly.
Try to accept that Jamaicans love Jamaica and they love their families.
The poor without opportunities to make it in Jamaica came to the UK.
Middle class Jamaicans had land, beautiful houses, sunshine barbeques, status respect, contacts.
They were not leaving there home to be in a cold place full of uncertainties and white people.
It was dirt poor jamaicans who came here.
Now almost everybody in Jamaica is dirt poor.
Why do you think there is such a lack of respect for education, why do you think Jamaican descent men int he UK will breed any uneducated low income white girls and watch her smoke 20 cigarettes a day throughout her pregnancy... these are not Jamaican men with middle class grandparents.
You left beautufl jamaica where you could pick mangos and cocnuts from the trees, where all the teachers were white and their was no racism... you left because you were dirt poor.

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#68 Jan 26, 2013
* where the teachers were black.
Bigsmoke

London, UK

#69 Jan 26, 2013
Shalimarr wrote:
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You're arrogance stops you from learning.
The Jamaicans who came during Windrush were dirt poor Jamaicans who were FAILING in Jamaica.
My grandparents and my parents came over in the Windrush.
I know many Jamaican families through my granddad's church.
Jamaicans love Jamaica.
In those days it was not so brutal and unruly.
Try to accept that Jamaicans love Jamaica and they love their families.
The poor without opportunities to make it in Jamaica came to the UK.
Middle class Jamaicans had land, beautiful houses, sunshine barbeques, status respect, contacts.
They were not leaving there home to be in a cold place full of uncertainties and white people.
It was dirt poor jamaicans who came here.
Now almost everybody in Jamaica is dirt poor.
Why do you think there is such a lack of respect for education, why do you think Jamaican descent men int he UK will breed any uneducated low income white girls and watch her smoke 20 cigarettes a day throughout her pregnancy... these are not Jamaican men with middle class grandparents.
You left beautufl jamaica where you could pick mangos and cocnuts from the trees, where all the teachers were white and their was no racism... you left because you were dirt poor.
:), I'm learning. You do know I clearly stated '''But I may be wrong'' and clearly stated what I typed up is my belief.

Discrimination in housing and employment during the 50s - 70s played a role into those type of Jamaican descent men in the UK today.

Many changes can happen in a few generations from middle class to poverty isn't a big jump either.

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#70 Jan 26, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
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:), I'm learning. You do know I clearly stated '''But I may be wrong'' and clearly stated what I typed up is my belief.
Discrimination in housing and employment during the 50s - 70s played a role into those type of Jamaican descent men in the UK today.
Many changes can happen in a few generations from middle class to poverty isn't a big jump either.
Middle class asians cam e from Uganda and their children flourished by the same methodlogy used to achieve in Uganda.
Jamaicans are not stupid... people who were successful, influential, educated and content in Jamaica, are no the kind of people to move to the mother land and have grandsons languishing at the bottom of the UK educational system and failing in almost every respect compared t everybody else.
If it was middle class people who had managed to make it in jamaica, the vast majority of them would not have grandchildren failing here.

And ofcourse a middle class man will not leave his black country to work as a bus conductor on the number 2 bus and sweep the streets of harlesden in 1955 :)
The poor malcontents left jamaica in the 50s and 60s. The ones who felt they had very few other options.
That's why we have dumb, unambitious failing Jamaican descent people here in the UK.

“Leading the Revolution”

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#71 Jan 26, 2013
I would love to see the Caribbean foster closer ties with Africa. Let's be honest, most AA have no clue what's going on around them. They are kept distracted and unaware or I should say uninformed about the Caribbean or any other place. The media does a great job at keeping AA living completely in the dark. They are led to believe that they are the richest black people on Earth, when in fact, the average AA is only worth 5K. As an AA I would strongly suggest we start organizing and getting aligned with either the Caribbean or Africa. America will go the way of Europe , so which way Europe goes, so will America. African people better begin to open their eyes and see clearly what's going on. I hear Jamaica is preparing to file a reparations case against Europe, and I assume other's will follow. So black people what are we going to do? Unite and survive or remain divided and perish?
Truthism

United States

#73 Jan 26, 2013
dkanela wrote:
I would love to see the Caribbean foster closer ties with Africa. Let's be honest, most AA have no clue what's going on around them. They are kept distracted and unaware or I should say uninformed about the Caribbean or any other place. The media does a great job at keeping AA living completely in the dark. They are led to believe that they are the richest black people on Earth, when in fact, the average AA is only worth 5K. As an AA I would strongly suggest we start organizing and getting aligned with either the Caribbean or Africa. America will go the way of Europe , so which way Europe goes, so will America. African people better begin to open their eyes and see clearly what's going on. I hear Jamaica is preparing to file a reparations case against Europe, and I assume other's will follow. So black people what are we going to do? Unite and survive or remain divided and perish?
I don't trust the media concerning pretty much anything but, one simply needs only their own want and ambition to get them to go online and study for themselves. We cannot rely on media for anything at all; they only care about themselves and making money for their group of criminal elite in the billion dollar industries and politicians in government whom they have close connections to.

Word of mouth and Internet surfing - good ol' fashioned "grass roots" type of movement needs to come about, not just for moving to different places but for everything else today.

The media should never be trusted - it is one big propaganda / brainwashing tool used by the criminal elite.

Anyway, I still would suggest many/all Caribbean nations governments remain as small and local as possible, so as to keep corruption down.

The bigger the government gets, the more possibilities it'll create for corruption to spread within it.

The perfect example everyone can see is the U.S. federal government. As compared to local governments who are in much closer contact with the local people, thus they know the local peoples' wants/needs way more than some alien federal government. That's not even including the obvious corruption, of course, which is a lot today.
major

Kent, WA

#74 Jan 27, 2013
It does not concern Black Americans therefore I could careless about what Caribbean people do.

“Black”

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#75 Jan 27, 2013
major wrote:
It does not concern Black Americans therefore I could careless about what Caribbean people do.
Likewise Caribbean Nationals really don't care or give a damn about you. Let the WHites deal with your azz. lmbao.
major

Kent, WA

#76 Jan 27, 2013
Black - Famous wrote:
<quoted text>Likewise Caribbean Nationals really don't care or give a damn about you. Let the WHites deal with your azz. lmbao.
I consider myself to be lucky :-)!

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#77 Jan 27, 2013
dkanela wrote:
I would love to see the Caribbean foster closer ties with Africa. Let's be honest, most AA have no clue what's going on around them. They are kept distracted and unaware or I should say uninformed about the Caribbean or any other place. The media does a great job at keeping AA living completely in the dark. They are led to believe that they are the richest black people on Earth, when in fact, the average AA is only worth 5K. As an AA I would strongly suggest we start organizing and getting aligned with either the Caribbean or Africa. America will go the way of Europe , so which way Europe goes, so will America. African people better begin to open their eyes and see clearly what's going on. I hear Jamaica is preparing to file a reparations case against Europe, and I assume other's will follow. So black people what are we going to do? Unite and survive or remain divided and perish?
Excellent post!
AAs have a loud voice globally and they are a big "relatively" wealthy group.
I didn't even know Jamaica was seeking reparations from the Europe.
If they succeed other Caribbean Islands and West African nations might follow.
Are AAs seeking reparations from the US?

“Leading the Revolution”

Level 6

Since: Oct 09

United States

#78 Feb 2, 2013
Shalimarr

No AA are not seeking reparations from the government, I really believe my fellow AA are afraid to stand up and demand what is theirs. They are afraid of being put back into bondage or being sent back to Africa. So they sit quietly in the corner of master's house and try not to get any unwanted attention. Pan Africanist as myself are seen as the exception and not the rule. Too many AA just accept the conditions they are in as a way of life, and feel helpless to improve. If they only knew what real freedom and independence felt like, they would burn down master's house and rebuild their own that they left so many ago. Our brother's in the Caribbean have figured it out, we the lost ones!!
sies

Hyde Park, MA

#79 Aug 14, 2013
Black - Famous wrote:
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Caricom has failed. The objective of Caricom has not met and will never. Because each and everyone wants to rule their own countries.
The yearly meetings of Caricom in a Caribbean designated territory, is nothing but a smoke-screen met with lavish cocktails and EMPTY WORDS.
After the day has elapsed, they then return to their respective islands with NO MEMMORY of what was said and then shelve their airy words.
The OECS which is a sub-grouping of islands in the Caribbean has a better concept of what it means to unite. They do hold the same currency and allow their citizens to travel within their grouping without a passport.
Caricom is just A DEAD HORSE WAITING TO BE BURIED.
amen, lol
WranglerJoey27

Fort Worth, TX

#80 Aug 14, 2013
One nation with one leader? Hell no. I do not think the Caribbean should do so. It'll bring too much strain on the islands who are doing somewhat fine financially and it'll create havoc for resources. The richer areas would be dwindled and forced into having to give up their wealth to the poor nations, etc etc.

Level 5

Since: Jul 13

Canovanas, Puerto Rico

#81 Aug 14, 2013
Shalimarr wrote:
Should the Caribbean Islands United into one nation? A sort of Caribbean Union or a United States of the Caribbean?
If this happened they could share wealth and knowledge and contacts and make themselves a stronger in negotiating with other countries.
They could share skills and encourage economic growth around the Caribbean.
What do you think?
I believe it's better the way it is, a "union" would never work out.

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