Who was Jesus(Yeshu Ben Pantera?)

Who was Jesus(Yeshu Ben Pantera?)

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Mystic One

Atlanta, GA

#1 Jun 10, 2010
The real story of Jesus is the story of Yeshu ben Pantera and Miriam ben Stada his mother Miriam the hairdresser who adulterous affair with Joseph ben Pantera, a Roman mercenary, produced Yeshu who learned magic arts in Egypt and "led many astray" according to the Talmud where one can find this information so carefully hidden away from Gentile eyes.

There are several interesting references to a Yeishu ha Notzri (note the resemblance of the name to "Jesus of Nazareth"), who traveled around and practiced magic during the reign of Alexander Janneus, who ruled Palestine from 104 to 78 BCE. As these references are Talmudic (from the Baraitas and the Gemara), and therefore presumed by Christian scholars to be anti-Christian; Christian apologeticists have simply dismissed them as referring to someone else or being fabricated propaganda. But if they are genuine, and they really do refer to the Jesus of whom the Christians speak, they add evidence to the claim that the Jesus of Nazareth story is really based on the life of Yieshu ha Notzri, possibly the Essene "Teacher of Righteousness." Evidence points to him being the founder of the Notzri as the sects were known in first century Palestine, and as the Jesus Movements to modern scholars.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread269...
Mystic One

Atlanta, GA

#2 Jun 10, 2010
It must be noted here is that the version of the Talmud still used by most modern Christian scholars, is normally the version known to have been heavily edited by Christians by the 16th century - presumably to remove the dangerous references to Yeishu ha Notzri and his followers, the Notzrim, the account of which is absent from this version. But the pristine version, still used by Jewish scholars, gives us some rich detail. Yeishu ha Notzri was considered by the temple authorities of the time to be a troublemaking heretic, and when they had finally had enough of him, they put him on trial. He was convicted of heresy, sentenced to wander the city for 40 days, with a crier going before him, shouting that if anyone had reason why he should not be executed, they should come forward. When no did, he was stoned to death, and his body hung from a tree on the eve of passover, in 88 B.C.E. Note the death on the eve of passover. Note also the hanging of the body from a tree - at the time, a sign of despicability, with its resemblance to the crucifixion myth.
Mystic One

Atlanta, GA

#3 Jun 10, 2010
There is no reason to believe that this Yshu Ha Notzari ( some times called Yshu ben Pandera) is not Jesus christ.
Remember that these names are given to Jesus by his ENEMIES in the one and only book (Yshu Toleduth). Every thing in the story is about a man who claimed to be the Messiah his mother is Mary. He fly in the sky.
The only thing different is that in some versions of the book his story happened in the time of king Yuhanan who lived 150 BC.
However it is known that folkloric stories tend to mix times by mistake.

Again Yshu as we explained means ione thing only ( according to the writer of Yshu Toledoth): May his name and mention be blotted forever. It is not a regular name that mothers give to their children . It is a curse name given by jews to people who claimed divinity of Messiahship.
However Jesus was the Messiah they mistaken him for a false messiah and so named him Yshu.

Christians a hundred years later managed to rescue their Master name by adding (a) to Yshu and hence became the name Joshua ( a heroic name) However the real name of Jesus is ISA ( meaning The Man of the STAR.
In a prophecy by Jacob ( now missing in the biblre but found in the bible of the Dead Sea scrolls' Essenes'Bible ( difinitely the original bible) says thata STAR will come from Levi ( Mary was a nun to the temple ( only Levites can give their children as nuns or slaved to the Temple) So was Jesus.
Mystic One

Atlanta, GA

#4 Jun 10, 2010
Copies of the uncensored pre-1631 texts can be found in Oxford University and several other European libraries. Thus the statements about Jesus were never actually ‘lost.' They were published separately in numerous editions and studied by Jewish scholars in private. No one denies these facts any more... While the Soncino edition of the Babylonian Talmud is a censored text, the editors usually give the uncensored original readings in a footnote. We have put the statements about Jesus back into the text where they originally belonged and have indicated this by []." (Morey, pp. 1-2)

R. Papa said: When the Mishnah states a MESITH IS A HEDYOT, it is only in respect of hiding witnesses. For it has been taught: And for all others for whom the Torah decrees death, witnesses are not hidden, excepting for this one. How is it done?- A light is lit in an inner chamber, the witnesses are hidden in an outer one [which is in darkness], so that they can see and hear him, but he cannot see them. Then the person he wishes to seduce says to him, "Tell me privately what thou hast proposed to me"; and he does so. Then he remonstrates; "But how shall we forsake our God in Heaven, and serve idols?" If he retracts, it is well. But if he answers: "It is our duty and seemly for us," the witnesses who were listening outside bring him to Beth din, and have him stoned.["And thus they did to Ben Stada in Lydda, and they hung him on the even of Passover." Ben Stada was Ben Pandira. R. Hisda said: The husband was Stada, the paramour Pandira. But as not the husband Pappos b. Judah?-His mother's name was Stada. But his mother was Miriam, a dresser of woman's hair?-As they say in Pumpbaditha, This woman has turned away (satath da) from her husband,(i.e. committed adultery).](Morey, p. 6)

Morey quotes from the Soncino edition of the Babylonian Talmud:

Footnote in Soncino: "Supposed by Tosah, to be the Mother of Jesus; cf. Shab. 104b in the earlier uncensored editions. Her description Megaddela (hairdresser) is connected by some with the name of Mary Magdalene whose name was confused with the name of Mary, the mother of Jesus." (Ibid., p. 7)

Some scholars also see an allusion to the virgin birth of Christ in the term, "son of Pandira." This is due to the fact that "Pandira" seems to be a play on the Greek word for virgin, parthenos, the very term used in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke when recording Jesus' virgin birth. McDowell & Wilson report:

"... Scholars have debated at length how Jesus came to have this name (i.e., ben Pandira) attached to his. Strauss thought it was from the Greek word pentheros, meaning 'son-in-law.' Klausner and Bruce accept the position that panthera is a corruption of the Greek parthenos meaning 'virgin.' Klausner says,'The Jews constantly heard that the Christians (the majority of whom spoke Greek from the earliest times) called Jesus by the name "Son of the Virgin"... and so, in mockery, they called him Ben ha-Pantera, i.e., "son of the leopard."'...
Mystic One

Atlanta, GA

#5 Jun 10, 2010
Maybe Bobby Hemmit and Phil Valentine wer right when they said the historical 'Jesu' was really the freedom fighter named Yeshu ben Pantera wh was of the Essenes brotherhood/sisterhood..

“My heart....”

Since: Jun 10

...goes out to you!!!

#6 Jun 10, 2010
What kind of blasphemy?
Mystic One

Atlanta, GA

#7 Jun 10, 2010
The brethren of this mysterious sect were sometimes referred to as "the Mysterious Ones," "the Secret Ones," and "the Silent Ones," on account of their mystical practices, disciplines, behaviour, and the expression and habits of their normal secular life. A community of Essenes once resided along the shores of Lake Moeris, in Egypt. Some of the members were celibates, those that married probably practiced specific spiritual exercises that permitted lofty souls to incarnate like the Christ initiate.

Nothing is mentioned concerning the Essenes in the New Testament except for a hint
or two regarding the mysterious men in white who often appeared to the disciples of the Nazarene Master to offer words of advise. The white woolen robes that they wore, which suggests pre-Islamic Sufism, apparently signifies their status symbol as higher degree members. From the dietary aspect of their way of life, the Essenes were known to be vegetarians; they are also believed to be "God-eaters," a term indicating the ability to nourish the physical body with the life-giving qualities to be found in the pranic ethers. This and the harmonious attunement with other Cosmic forces may account for their unusually long life span ranging from a hundred to a hundred and twenty years.
http://www.indotalisman.com/esoterichrist.htm...
Mystic One

Atlanta, GA

#8 Jun 10, 2010
The Essenes appeared suddenly upon the world scene, and vanished with hardly a trace of their existence. It is often inquired by scholars regarding the purpose of the brotherhood's establishment. It is conjectured by some, and supported by tradition, that the prime purpose of the institution of the Essene community was the preparation for the coming of the Messiah and his ministry here on Earth. When the Master Jesus disappeared from public view, so did the Essenes shortly after. Whether they chose to disband, or to operate in a clandestine manner, it is believed that a good deal of their doctrines found their way to other esoteric schools in later centuries such as Masonry, the Rosicrucian Brotherhood, the Knights Templar, and many others. Extensive manuscripts discovered in a cave at the Wadi Qumran along the shores of the Dead Sea in the latter half of this century is expected to shed more light on the Essene belief and lifestyle when the manuscripts are wholly made public. Nowadays there is a revival of the Essenes and that which may be regarded as Essenic thought among spiritual occultists.

the mystical and spiritual training of Jesus were effected. The following were his main modes of study and the acquisition of knowledge :

1) Attunement with the Cosmic Mind, with God's Omniscience.
2) Recollection of knowledge and training from former life-times.
3) Personal observation of people, their beliefs, and way of life.
4) Personal research and study of ancient, secret manuscripts.
5) Tutorship under various Masters of Wisdom.
Mystic One

Atlanta, GA

#9 Jun 10, 2010
TastiiKakes wrote:
What kind of blasphemy?
Why?
Lost Sheep

Tecumseh, OK

#10 Jun 10, 2010
Keep giving the truth - I know it's kinda hard to bare this - this is why many remain on my prayer list...
Mystic One

Atlanta, GA

#11 Jun 10, 2010
Some believe their were more than one historical Jesus :

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread892...

you should add the "Issus", a male figure in the Nazorean Sect, living ~32CE, These 'Sons of Light' believers also had a 'position' in the sect termed the 'messiah'...It would be similar to a real-time 'passion play' where the person & actors' role is merged together...

In various passages, the Talmud seems to be stringing together several dubious characters into a single figure named YESHU or YEHOSHU (whom they regard in some way as sorcerers and false prophets) under a name which is cognate of Yehoshua, Yeshu or Yeishu---but there is no consistency in their descriptions---which leads one to believe that several different Messianic Yeshua figures are being referred to and denigrated�and maybe only one may actually have any reference to the Jesus/Yehoshua/Yeshua of the Chirsitian Gospels�

We see just such a SCHEMA in the Book of Jubilees (The Testament of Moses) where all history is neatly divided into periods of 50 years (or Jubilees = 49 years + 1)

Shimon Bar-Kosiba (Bar Kochba) also called by his followers �Messiah&#65533 ; [or Son of a Star (Bar Kochba)] but he preferred the title �Nasi�, or �Highest One� :

This man was the one who led the 2nd Jewish Revolt against Rome in 132 AD but his attempt at capturing Jerusalem for 2 years was eventually foiled by Roman forces in AD 136:

But The BAr-Kochba Revolt was also TIMED following the 100 year rule---it took place DELIBERATELY 200 years from the time Pompey invaded Jerusalem and defiled the temple�s Holy of Holies--which made it Eschatalogical and therefore MESSIANIC, i.e. having to do with the Last days and the Fulfilment of a grander historic Schema in the eyes of these people and their Weltanschauung.
Lost Sheep

Tecumseh, OK

#12 Jun 10, 2010
Gerald Massey reveals his findings in four major publications -

Books of the Beginnings,(2 vols.),
The Natural Genesis (2 vols.),
Ancient Egypt the Light of the World (2 vols.) and The Lectures (1 vol.).

For everyone who is interested and who call themselves "believers", these books are worth your continued efforts to "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God...".

Because of the heathenistic pagan mindset of (thieving) cultures (they know who they are), Mithraism was incorporated into the original teachings of The Way - replacing Yeshua/Jesus with their god, thereby making him a god.

Ironically, this same Yeshua/Jesus couldn't have even possibly existed at the time they say he did, but centuries before...
Mystic One

Atlanta, GA

#13 Jun 10, 2010
The word "Essa" is the Arabic name for "Jesus" and the only one used in the Koran. "Essa" was also the name used for Jesus by the early Egyptian Christians in the Coptic Egpyptian language in the first century A.D. The first followers of Essa (Jesus) were called the Essenes (the owners of the found Dead Sea Scrolls). Philo Judaeus, who wrote the earliest account of this Jewish sect around 30 A.D., called them "Essaeans" from the Greek "Essaios" but stated that the word was of non-Greek origin. It was recognized that the word "Essene" must have had a Semitic origin, which is "Essa". "Essaioi" would therefore mean "a follower of Essa". Now the meaning of "Essa" and the "Essenes" were intentionally concealed becausethe Essenes, as the followers of Essa (Jesus) existed before the time allotted to the assumed historical Jesus during the Roman time period. This is very problematic if this "Essa" or this "Jesus" had existed long before the time he was supposed to have lived in the first century (M.Gadalla, Tutankhamen, The Living Image Of The Lord, p. 34).

Now again pay close attention. The names "Joshua" (Ye-ho-shua in Hebrew) and "Jesus" (Ye-shua) in its short form", have the SAME MEANING, which is: Yahweh (the Lord) is salvation or "the Lord is salvation.

Many scholars have noticed that the words used by Isaiah here in this verse, Isaiah 7:14, makes it clear that the birth of this Immanuel had already taken place at the time of his writing. In other words "the Messiah" had already been conceived and had been born and died before Isaiah's writings. This verse in the Hebrew is not prophetic as many erroneously think today. As such, behind this verse is the hidden story of the first "historical Biblical Jesus" and that this "Jesus/Joshua" occurred several centuries before the Roman era and only later transported to the first century by Rome in their writing of the New Testament (M. Gadalla, Tutankhamun, the Living Image Of The Lord, p. 35). Let us keep reading to see how this is possible.

The writer of the Gospel of Matthew regarded Immanuel as another name for this Jesus and misquotes the verse intentionally to give it a future tense when in fact the Hebrew does not carry such a meaning.

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#14 Jun 10, 2010
Lost Sheep

Tecumseh, OK

#15 Jun 10, 2010
Mystic One wrote:
The Essenes appeared suddenly upon the world scene, and vanished with hardly a trace of their existence. It is often inquired by scholars regarding the purpose of the brotherhood's establishment. It is conjectured by some, and supported by tradition, that the prime purpose of the institution of the Essene community was the preparation for the coming of the Messiah and his ministry here on Earth. When the Master Jesus disappeared from public view, so did the Essenes shortly after. Whether they chose to disband, or to operate in a clandestine manner, it is believed that a good deal of their doctrines found their way to other esoteric schools in later centuries such as Masonry, the Rosicrucian Brotherhood, the Knights Templar, and many others. Extensive manuscripts discovered in a cave at the Wadi Qumran along the shores of the Dead Sea in the latter half of this century is expected to shed more light on the Essene belief and lifestyle when the manuscripts are wholly made public. Nowadays there is a revival of the Essenes and that which may be regarded as Essenic thought among spiritual occultists.
the mystical and spiritual training of Jesus were effected. The following were his main modes of study and the acquisition of knowledge :
1) Attunement with the Cosmic Mind, with God's Omniscience.
2) Recollection of knowledge and training from former life-times.
3) Personal observation of people, their beliefs, and way of life.
4) Personal research and study of ancient, secret manuscripts.
5) Tutorship under various Masters of Wisdom.
Though I am quite sure, I will need to pull up some previous studies - as it stands I believe the Essenes (for the most part) were put to death for their belief under the emperor Constantine during the 2nd Century...
Lost Sheep

Tecumseh, OK

#16 Jun 10, 2010
Mystic One wrote:
The word "Essa" is the Arabic name for "Jesus" and the only one used in the Koran. "Essa" was also the name used for Jesus by the early Egyptian Christians in the Coptic Egpyptian language in the first century A.D. The first followers of Essa (Jesus) were called the Essenes (the owners of the found Dead Sea Scrolls). Philo Judaeus, who wrote the earliest account of this Jewish sect around 30 A.D., called them "Essaeans" from the Greek "Essaios" but stated that the word was of non-Greek origin. It was recognized that the word "Essene" must have had a Semitic origin, which is "Essa". "Essaioi" would therefore mean "a follower of Essa". Now the meaning of "Essa" and the "Essenes" were intentionally concealed becausethe Essenes, as the followers of Essa (Jesus) existed before the time allotted to the assumed historical Jesus during the Roman time period. This is very problematic if this "Essa" or this "Jesus" had existed long before the time he was supposed to have lived in the first century (M.Gadalla, Tutankhamen, The Living Image Of The Lord, p. 34).
Now again pay close attention. The names "Joshua" (Ye-ho-shua in Hebrew) and "Jesus" (Ye-shua) in its short form", have the SAME MEANING, which is: Yahweh (the Lord) is salvation or "the Lord is salvation.
Many scholars have noticed that the words used by Isaiah here in this verse, Isaiah 7:14, makes it clear that the birth of this Immanuel had already taken place at the time of his writing. In other words "the Messiah" had already been conceived and had been born and died before Isaiah's writings. This verse in the Hebrew is not prophetic as many erroneously think today. As such, behind this verse is the hidden story of the first "historical Biblical Jesus" and that this "Jesus/Joshua" occurred several centuries before the Roman era and only later transported to the first century by Rome in their writing of the New Testament (M. Gadalla, Tutankhamun, the Living Image Of The Lord, p. 35). Let us keep reading to see how this is possible.
The writer of the Gospel of Matthew regarded Immanuel as another name for this Jesus and misquotes the verse intentionally to give it a future tense when in fact the Hebrew does not carry such a meaning.
Sorry...jumped the gun before you were finished...lol
Continue on sir...
Mystic One

Atlanta, GA

#17 Jun 10, 2010
Lost Sheep wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry...jumped the gun before you were finished...lol
Continue on sir...
Youre more than welcome to continue to add on.

“My heart....”

Since: Jun 10

...goes out to you!!!

#18 Jun 10, 2010
Mystic One wrote:
<quoted text>Why?
You are committing blasphemy by posting this.
Texican

Houston, TX

#19 Jun 10, 2010
There is no evidence that "Jesus" existed.
Mystic One

Atlanta, GA

#20 Jun 10, 2010
TastiiKakes wrote:
What kind of blasphemy?
The true teachings by him were considered blashpemy by the powers that be as well:

Many books were taken out during the council of Niceae:

Then I(John) said,“Lord, when souls come out of the flesh where do they go?”

He(Jesus) replied, smiling,“If the soul is strong it has more of power than it has of the artificial spirit(the illusions of this world/the ego/your personality and cares of this world) and so it flees from wickedness. With the assistance of the Incorruptible ONE that soul is saved and it attains eternal rest.”(no longer has to reincarnate)

I then asked him,“Lord, what of the souls of the people who do not know whose people they are? Where do they go?”

He responded,“In those people the artificial spirit has grown strong and they have gone astray. Their souls are burdened, drawn to wickedness, and cast into forgetfulness.”

“When they come forth from the body, such a soul is given over to the powers created by the rulers, bound in chains, and cast into prison again.(New physical body) Around and around it goes until it manages to become free from forgetfulness through knowledge. And so, eventually, it becomes perfect and is saved.”(and escapes the round of rebirth that goes round and around until you're finally freed from the artificial illusions of this world)

Then I asked,“Lord, how does the soul shrink down so as to be able to enter its mother or a man?

He was happy that I asked this and said,“You are truly blessed because you have understood. The soul should be guided by another within whom is the Spirit of Life. It will be saved by that means and accordingly will not have to enter a body again.-Secret books of John

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