Dr. MARTIN L. KING'S LEGACY & the OCC...

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#7638 Feb 4, 2014
JOHNS ON TOP OF IT wrote:
Dr. King left a remarkable Legacy, and it's you hate mongering trolls who cannot handle it... Long live Dr. King's legacy...its eternal!!!
Indeed.

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#7639 Feb 4, 2014
FlowFighter wrote:
"personalist thought had developed throughout the nineteenth century as a reaction to perceived depersonalizing elements in Enlightenment rationalism, pantheism, Hegelian absolute idealism..."
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/personalism...
"because his basic philosophical position (like that Vaclav Havel) was PERSONALISM, a form of metaphyiscal idealism"
So one must therefore conclude that Hegelian (absolute) idealism is experienced in contradistinction to "metaphysical idealism"??
More coon gibberish!!!!!
LOL!!!
It's probably a waste of time even to suggest this. But you might consider reading Rufus Burrows, Jr. for an explication of Personalism, and especially the Kingian version of Personalism. Burrows book is called GOD AND HUMAN DIGNITY: THE PERSONALISM, THEOLOGY AND ETHICS OF MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. And then look at his bibliogrpahy for names and works of Perosnalist thinkers, especially the Boston Personalists---that is, if you can understand anything above the level of a comic strip. LOL!

One more4 thing: There are different forms of metaphysical idealism. The point--so simple that I thought (wrongly) even YOU could understamd--is that you can't claim that Dr. King was a Communist (in the ML sense at least) without explaining how Marxism-Leninism can be philosophically reconciled with the idealism of King's basic philosphical position--Personalism.

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#7640 Feb 4, 2014
JOHNS ON TOP OF IT wrote:
Dr. King left a remarkable Legacy, and it's you hate mongering trolls who cannot handle it... Long live Dr. King's legacy...its eternal!!!
Man, they haven't a clue. Of course, most people have at best a simplistic understanding of King and the Movement. I guess we can thank our corporate media and our piss poor American education system for that.

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#7644 Feb 4, 2014
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> Man, they haven't a clue. Of course, most people have at best a simplistic understanding of King and the Movement. I guess we can thank our corporate media and our piss poor American education system for that.
LOL...I agree totally.

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#7646 Feb 5, 2014
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>King had no "commie colleagues" ...
You yourself mentioned two former members of the Communist party that were his associates. The point is that it if you can call me "fascist," then I can just as easily call Martin Luther King a "commie." Stalin even used to call Trotsky a "fascist." It's nonsense. Those old leftists would even accuse each other "racist," too, and would purge members from their organizations for it. That's the origin of political correctness, and it has somehow found its way into the mainstream.

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#7647 Feb 6, 2014
Walter Henrickson wrote:
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You yourself mentioned two former members of the Communist party that were his associates. The point is that it if you can call me "fascist," then I can just as easily call Martin Luther King a "commie." Stalin even used to call Trotsky a "fascist." It's nonsense. Those old leftists would even accuse each other "racist," too, and would purge members from their organizations for it. That's the origin of political correctness, and it has somehow found its way into the mainstream.
Duh...I said EX-Communists. One whom quiit and the other (if I recall recorrectly) who was expelled.
Anyone who lauds "gneration d'identitaire" (whom Attai says are even FURTHER to the Right than le Front Nationale) while denouncing Dr. King as a Communist, certainly speak and thinks in the manner of a Fascist. If the shoe fits, wear it.

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#7648 Feb 6, 2014
Pere du Champ wrote:
In the schools it's all watered down. Black History Month is Harriet Tubman and the Dream speech, and maybe sitting in the front of the bus. They whitewash all of U$A history. They speak of Presidents guilty of significant abuses and crimes (e.g., Andrew Jackson) without mentioning any of it. They never take a critical look at corporations, never take the side of the poor farmers and miners, do not explain well Jim Crow apartheid, do not speak of the extensive genocide of native peoples... and so on.
And in every school there are racists who attempt to stop any more truthful education from occurring.
When I expose students to the deeper and wider dimensions of King's thought and program, they are usually surprised and astonished.
Many didn't even know of his opposition to the Vietnam War or to militarism and imperialism in general. They may know that King was opposed to the "Communism" in the form of the USSR, China or Marxism-Leninism,. That hardly suprises them since he was a Christian minister, and some of them saw old TV interviews ("Meet the Nation") in which King states pretty clearly what he thinks of Communism even before they read stuff I give them. But they are STUNNED to learn that Dr. King was also ANTI-CAPITALIST. The averate American is so indoctrinated, so dumbed down by corporate media and poor education, that he or she thinks you must be EITHER Communist (in the sense mentioned above) or pro-Capitalist. They can't imagine that King might be philosophically opposed to Marx's atheistic materialism but still think that Marx got a lot of stuff right in his critique of capitalism. Or even that (as King says in one sermon) the idea of a non-racist, CLASSLESS society is aa "noble end" compatible with the gospel even if Marx's philosphical materialism and his advocacy or ARMED revolution is (for King) morally and intellectually in error.
People always begin with such a simplistic conception of things that is oblivious to complexities and nuances. We can thank our shitty educaton and corporate media for that. Maybe we shoujld teach Philosophy in high schools as they do in France. Maybe even before high school if possible.

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#7651 Feb 6, 2014
Savant wrote:
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Duh...I said EX-Communists. One whom quiit and the other (if I recall recorrectly) who was expelled.
Anyone who lauds "gneration d'identitaire" (whom Attai says are even FURTHER to the Right than le Front Nationale) while denouncing Dr. King as a Communist, certainly speak and thinks in the manner of a Fascist. If the shoe fits, wear it.
You don't like Generation Identitaire because they have issued a déclaration de guerre against your generation.

Also, ex-Communist doesn't mean not a communist. One need not be a card carrier. If the shoe fits? Well, the commie shoe fits the smelly foot of MLK like a glove. You too. Wear it, commie.

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#7653 Feb 7, 2014
Walter Henrickson wrote:
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You don't like Generation Identitaire because they have issued a déclaration de guerre against your generation.
Also, ex-Communist doesn't mean not a communist. One need not be a card carrier. If the shoe fits? Well, the commie shoe fits the smelly foot of MLK like a glove. You too. Wear it, commie.
n the case of Stanley Levinson and Jack O'Dell, they were as ex=-Communists, not-Communists. But they may have still be socialist. At any rate, by supporting Dr. King and the Black Freedom Movement they advanced FREEDOM.
You are an enemy of freedom, as are all racists/

Generation d'identitaire is at war against democracy, against immigrants (mainly non-whites) and against decency. They're even further to the Right than the National Front. When you laud that group while proclaimiong in a AFRICAN AMERICAN FORUM, "F Martin Luther KIng", you reveal yourself to be a racist and a Fascist.

Va au Diable!

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#7654 Feb 7, 2014
FlowFighter wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =fYJB-wjrGsMXX
LOL!!@Declaration of War...!!!
These whining blame shifting fa**ggots aren't ready to do battle with anything other than their pillows and crib blankets !!
To the extent that it's F'd up..the French have no one to blame other than themselves.
Their muslim problem started in earnest after they lost Algeria.(1962)
Tens of thousands of Algerian muslims who had allied themselves with the French fled Algeria to France -along with the European ancestry Pied Noir exodus - to escape the reprisals of FLN .
" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_War#Pie... ;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieds-noirs
The French waged a savage and brutal war against the Algerian people to try and preserve their colonial domination of Algeria..and this was AFTER they had had their azzes handed to them by the Viet Minh in '54
Ils récoltent maintenant ce que leurs grands-pères ont semé
:O)
Finally! Flowfighter posts something that make sense and that I can actually agree with. That group is even MORE racist than the National Front/

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#7655 Feb 7, 2014
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>When you laud that group while proclaimiong in a AFRICAN AMERICAN FORUM, "F Martin Luther KIng", you reveal yourself to be a racist and a Fascist.
Nope, I am not a Fascist. But if it were really the case that by expressing my dislike for King on Topix's African-American Forum or anywhere else, I reveal myself as a "Fascist," then by those standards, at the very least, MLK revealed himself as a "Communist" by the many things he said, wrote, and the associates the kept.

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#7656 Feb 8, 2014
Walter Henrickson wrote:
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Nope, I am not a Fascist. But if it were really the case that by expressing my dislike for King on Topix's African-American Forum or anywhere else, I reveal myself as a "Fascist," then by those standards, at the very least, MLK revealed himself as a "Communist" by the many things he said, wrote, and the associates the kept.
King's CRITIQUE of communism refutes your claim while your open support for a Fascist group (not individual ex-fascists), and your depraved racism, makes the charge of fascism plausible in your case.
At any rate, this is a trivial matter. Dr. King was a world historical person who led a Movement which expanded freedom, and which inspired people EVERYWHERE.
His legacy lives on. But you have NOTHING to offer. And neither do your French fellow reactionaries who call themselves "Generation d'Identitairre."

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#7657 Feb 9, 2014
Savant wrote:
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King's CRITIQUE of communism refutes your claim while your open support for a Fascist group (not individual ex-fascists), and your depraved racism, makes the charge of fascism plausible in your case.
What "Fascist" group? Generation Identitaire? Explain how they are "Fascist."

I have not read King's critique of communism, But I doubt, by the standards you use to call me a "fascist", it would be enough to prove that he was not in fact a commie. Even people who were at one time regarded as "fascist" (by your standards) were very critical of actual fascist governments. The accusation that MLK was a communist (again, by your standards) is indeed plausible.

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#7658 Feb 10, 2014
Walter Henrickson wrote:
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What "Fascist" group? Generation Identitaire? Explain how they are "Fascist."
I have not read King's critique of communism, But I doubt, by the standards you use to call me a "fascist", it would be enough to prove that he was not in fact a commie. Even people who were at one time regarded as "fascist" (by your standards) were very critical of actual fascist governments. The accusation that MLK was a communist (again, by your standards) is indeed plausible.
Since you've not READ king, your opinion doesn't matter. But you might start with STRIDE TOWARD FREEDOM, STRENGTH TO LOVE and WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE, CHAOS OR COMMUNITY.
Only uninformed or stupid people think Dr. King was a Communist...unless you mean by that Christian socialism.
BobbyRay

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#7659 Feb 10, 2014
Stop defaming a Great Man people. He has done more than anyone on Topix will ever do.

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#7660 Feb 14, 2014
BobbyRay wrote:
Stop defaming a Great Man people. He has done more than anyone on Topix will ever do.
Right on!

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#7662 Feb 15, 2014
My Shoes Need Shined wrote:
The Tiny Circles®
....of ghetto "logic":
<quoted text>So, dunce,...how do you feel about the FBI sealing his records for 50 years?
Was THAT "piss poor",....too?
Stay out of this thread. I didn't start this thread for simpletons like you, but for those interested enough and intelligent enough to have an adult conversation on the legacy of Martin Luther King, Jr.

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#7664 Feb 15, 2014
Savant wrote:
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Stay out of this thread. I didn't start this thread for simpletons like you, but for those interested enough and intelligent enough to have an adult conversation on the legacy of Martin Luther King, Jr.
MLK's legacy?

What legacy will he have when the records are released in '16?

The only legacy he had was lip service to the masses, do as I say not as I do, the guy gets proposed as some kind of Black Messiah for 'his' people, yet his sexual preferences were for White women {well, aren't all you Negroes like that if you could be honest for once}.

The guy was a race traitor, and race traitors do not look out for their people...
Timothy

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#7665 Feb 18, 2014
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was an eloquent spokesman for social justice and human liberty. He expressed revolutionary statements during the duration of his life. In his 1967, THREE EVILS IN SOCIETY speech, he stated the obvious that the ghetto is a domestic colony and that power must be redistributed as a means to give the poor (both black and non black) the just means to control their own destinies.

In that same speech, Dr. King was right to say that: "...We cry out against welfare hand outs to the poor but generously approve an oil depletion allowance to make the rich, richer..." The call for economic justice and the defeat of plutocracy is the great calling of our 21st century generation.

We should never forget other heroes who stood up for justice too like Fannie Lou Hamer, Malcolm X (who by 1965 critique capitalism and he started to condemn the great evil of sexism), Septima Clark, and other brave human beings that expressed sacrifice not submissive to the status quo as a means to confront the powers that be. Ella Baker was a Sister that was a great organizer and she was the Mother of SNCC literally.

Ella Baker was just as important in the struggle for human justice as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. stood a firm stand in recognizing the truth that BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL. So, Dr. King loved black people, he loved Africa, and he wanted black self determination to be one concept ingrained in the social consciousness of all those of black African descent. He was a strong religious leader, a socialist, a family man, and a man with great courage & great strength.

It takes strength to take blows and a rock without retaliation. It took great strength to handle offensive criticism and to press on. So, we ought to express courage too in our lives to advance the ideal of the BELOVED COMMUNITY. His last campaigns were the Poor Peoples Campaign and the Memphis Sanitation Workers' strike. Each of those campaigns was about the common people to fight for economic justice, fair wages, and the true defeat against the corrosive conditions of poverty in the world. So, we will never give up. We never gave up when we suffered the Maafa.

We never gave up when the capitalist instrument of Western slavery oppressed our ancestors and we never gave up when reactionary brutes used dogs and water to assault our Brothers and our Sisters. So, this fight for a cooperative society continues on. I will maintain my core convictions of truth and creating a humane world.

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#7666 Feb 18, 2014
Timothy wrote:
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was an eloquent spokesman for social justice and human liberty. He expressed revolutionary statements during the duration of his life. In his 1967, THREE EVILS IN SOCIETY speech, he stated the obvious that the ghetto is a domestic colony and that power must be redistributed as a means to give the poor (both black and non black) the just means to control their own destinies.
What is "social justice" and how is it different from plain old justice? Is it really something that deserves its own ontological category?

What other kind of liberty is there besides "human liberty?"

Why must power be redistributed? And how does King propose that power be redistributed? And how does he pull off these schemes without compromising human liberty that he supposedly cares so much about?

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