Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#7486 Jun 14, 2012
Not only was Dr. King espousing the highest of human ideals, in the tradition of his mentors Jesus and Gandhi and others, but, like them, he died for his beliefs.

The great heroes of humanity are such as him. I feel a great imperative to never slack off in fighting for justice, never leave the struggle for which Dr. King and so many others died. This is the greatest legacy any of us can leave of our pathetic short lives.

Our imperative now is to find new ways to implement this higher morality, new ways to succeed in struggle, realizing that the forces of evil arrayed against us now may be greater than at any time in history.

“We are what we think!!!!!!!!!!”

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#7487 Jun 14, 2012
Some whites would be in real problem if they OPENLY refer people of color in the same way they refer poor whites. Sample from this news that involves school district boundaries changes :
"Can you see parents who paid the RBA premium to live in Los Gatos wanting to share a school district with the hillbillies of Lakeside? "
http://www.burbed.com/2010/07/11/county-grand...
A person of color wouldn't demean poor whites the way the rich whites do. I knew it was a slang but I didn't think it was racist term especially because I read this + similar article.
Barros Serrano wrote:
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It is commonly used as you describe by your neighbor.
Unlike "redneck", which does not refer to a particular region or culture, but rather denotes simply whites who are uneducated, drunk, racist, etc., "hillbilly" is ethnically specific. This is not even well understood by many Yanks.
Appalachia is a distinct cultural region and has been severely exploited and oppressed. And of course, to oppress a group, the system also creates a complex of stereotypes with which to demean them, to justify their oppression. They do this with everyone.
Blacks deserve to be slaves because they're unevolved savages. Native Americans deserve to be removed because they're too savage for civilization. The Irish deserve to be enslaved because they're primitive and governed by their emotions. India deserves to be ruled by the British because they're superstitious and primitive, and so on.
With Appalachians, the stereotypes are: backwards, illiterate, barefoot, moonshine-drinking, possum-eating, hicks, hillbillies, feuding over a pig, etc. TV shows such as The Beverly Hillbillies, films such as Wrong Turn, all reinforce these stereotypes.
In fact Appalachians created one of the few land-based subsistence cultures in America to emerge post-columbus. Another was the Californio ranching culture of Spanish/Mexican California.

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#7488 Jun 14, 2012
Congratulations on your book completion. I'm hoping to read soon.
Savant wrote:
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By the way, the new book on King is now being advertised in advance in Amazon.com

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Baltimore, Md.

#7489 Jun 14, 2012
EkDesiLadki wrote:
I don't think that rich nations should pay poor nations but may be they should just stop interfering with the growth and prosperity of developing nations.
By the way, most countries in Europe aren't known for being rich in natural resources. They become rich by exploiting other nations which were doing good and were good in natural resources. For comparison if you see the revenue of India before British invasion was better than Britain itself. Even today, most rich nations are using developing nations in one form are another. Most companies set up their hub in poor nations so that they can escape US labor laws and do whatever they like in other countries.
Even western interest in middle east has made only few people who help west rich and powerful. rest common people are poor. 18 out of 19 9/11 terrorist were from Saudi, yet USA doesn't have inhibition when it comes to buying oil from Saudi, but it still imposes rules on many undeveloped countries from buying oil from Iran.
Rules aren't set by any moral or humanitarians values. Winners sets the rule and play unfairly, so poor countries stay poor.
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In his speech "A Time to Break Silence"(his denunciation of Vietnam War), Dr. King states:

"Ture compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar...It comes to see that an EDIFICE which produces beggars needs RESTRUCTURING. A true revolution of values will look uneasily on glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa and South America, only to take profits out with no concern for the social betterment of those countries and say: "This is not just." It will look at our alliance with the landed gentry in Latin America and say: "This is not just." The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just." (from A TESTAMENT OF HOPE,p. 241).

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Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#7490 Jun 14, 2012
EkDesiLadki wrote:
I don't think that rich nations should pay poor nations but may be they should just stop interfering with the growth and prosperity of developing nations.
By the way, most countries in Europe aren't known for being rich in natural resources. They become rich by exploiting other nations which were doing good and were good in natural resources. For comparison if you see the revenue of India before British invasion was better than Britain itself. Even today, most rich nations are using developing nations in one form are another. Most companies set up their hub in poor nations so that they can escape US labor laws and do whatever they like in other countries.
Even western interest in middle east has made only few people who help west rich and powerful. rest common people are poor. 18 out of 19 9/11 terrorist were from Saudi, yet USA doesn't have inhibition when it comes to buying oil from Saudi, but it still imposes rules on many undeveloped countries from buying oil from Iran.
Rules aren't set by any moral or humanitarians values. Winners sets the rule and play unfairly, so poor countries stay poor.
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I've read that the British destroyed many native industries in India in order to force its own commodities.
In Algeria, according to Nigel Gibson, there was actually a higher level of literacy than in France before French colonialists shut down schools that already existed, and replaced them with French schools to which only a tiny minority of Algerians were admitted. And by seizing Algerian lands to hand them over to settlers, the pauperized large numbers of Algerian peasant cultivators. Hence both famine and illiteracy were imposed on the people. Similarly, European settlers in South Africa seized 87% of lands from native cultivators, pauperizing them and forcing them into economic serfdom.
All this enriched the Europeans at the price of immiseration for the victims of Western racist capitalist imperialism.

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Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#7491 Jun 15, 2012
Savant wrote:
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I've read that the British destroyed many native industries in India in order to force its own commodities.
In Algeria, according to Nigel Gibson, there was actually a higher level of literacy than in France before French colonialists shut down schools that already existed, and replaced them with French schools to which only a tiny minority of Algerians were admitted. And by seizing Algerian lands to hand them over to settlers, the pauperized large numbers of Algerian peasant cultivators. Hence both famine and illiteracy were imposed on the people. Similarly, European settlers in South Africa seized 87% of lands from native cultivators, pauperizing them and forcing them into economic serfdom.
All this enriched the Europeans at the price of immiseration for the victims of Western racist capitalist imperialism.
They are doing this shyt even as we speak. Working with African dictators to oppress the people. When the games occurred in SA, all the white owned businesses were given priority near the stadium while black owned ones were pushed further away. In Ethiopia native farmers were pushed off their land for foreign businesses

Level 8

Since: Oct 09

Paris France

#7492 Jun 15, 2012
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>
I've read that the British destroyed many native industries in India in order to force its own commodities.
In Algeria, according to Nigel Gibson, there was actually a higher level of literacy than in France before French colonialists shut down schools that already existed, and replaced them with French schools to which only a tiny minority of Algerians were admitted. And by seizing Algerian lands to hand them over to settlers, the pauperized large numbers of Algerian peasant cultivators. Hence both famine and illiteracy were imposed on the people. Similarly, European settlers in South Africa seized 87% of lands from native cultivators, pauperizing them and forcing them into economic serfdom.
All this enriched the Europeans at the price of immiseration for the victims of Western racist capitalist imperialism.
Sir,

i never heard about Mr Nigel Gibson but he is wrong, completely, about the school question in colonial Algeria.
Under the 1830 pact, local people (les "Indigènes") kept their own islamic based law, their own islamic courts and so their Quranic village schools : children were not learning much in these very primitive type of schools you still find in North Sudan for ex. and some regions of African countries. Basically children are supposed to learn the Quran in Arabic by heart.

So no supposedly brilliant system was suppressed from the very poor Ottoman dominated Algiers bey country. There was no academic tradition in this place, Algiers has never been Cairo or Bagdad or even any of the striving ancient cities of Morocco (like Fès, Marakech).
The second part is correct : yes an elitist school system, a French one and for the European colonists, was settled ; very few "indigènes" could join this system.
However in the 1890's, the secularist IIIrd Republic created a Muslim academic system with 3 colleges (called medersas) in order to have graduates in Islamic law and with other knowledge to be appointed in the personal law administration (Islamic courts etc.). More surprisingly it is Senator Emile Combes, the rabid anti-catholic politician and promoter of the separation between State and Churches, who fathered this law for the Algeria "general government" and he made these Muslim colleges ... state institutions paid by public money [very few people have heard of that and i discovered the case by chance years ago].

a whiteboi

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#7493 Jun 15, 2012
British created one of the WORST disaster that's known to this planet in India. Even today, India has world's 2nd largest irrigable land just next after USA but in 1770 it has great famine where more than 10 million people were killed just in Bengal(east India and some part of today's Bangladesh) regions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of...

The famine was directly because of British policy where they were forcing people to cultivate cash crops instead of food crops and increase in taxes. Today we hear about sustainable farming and India had more than 5000 years of sustainable agricultural industry and 1000+ of different variety of rice alone. British efforts destroyed most of this crops and farmers were left to choose only few variety of grains. Today many non-profit organizations are trying to form the seed-bank in India to get and save many exotic seeds.

Killing 10 million people is much worse disaster than what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Many Bengalis willingly become "coolies"(or bonded labors) and exported to Britain, South Africa, etc to escape famine and rest fled into jungle.

British rule also hurt many adi-vasis/primitive people who were outside caste system, as British started capturing their land and sub diving and taxing them.

Some people in here are so lame that they were declaring how British rule helped India. May be in the same way slavery helped black people. I believe India has made much progress in 65 years for what it has gone through in British and Moghuls rule.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>
I've read that the British destroyed many native industries in India in order to force its own commodities.
In Algeria, according to Nigel Gibson, there was actually a higher level of literacy than in France before French colonialists shut down schools that already existed, and replaced them with French schools to which only a tiny minority of Algerians were admitted. And by seizing Algerian lands to hand them over to settlers, the pauperized large numbers of Algerian peasant cultivators. Hence both famine and illiteracy were imposed on the people. Similarly, European settlers in South Africa seized 87% of lands from native cultivators, pauperizing them and forcing them into economic serfdom.
All this enriched the Europeans at the price of immiseration for the victims of Western racist capitalist imperialism.

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#7495 Jun 16, 2012
EkDesiLadki wrote:
British created one of the WORST disaster that's known to this planet in India. Even today, India has world's 2nd largest irrigable land just next after USA but in 1770 it has great famine where more than 10 million people were killed just in Bengal(east India and some part of today's Bangladesh) regions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of...
The famine was directly because of British policy where they were forcing people to cultivate cash crops instead of food crops and increase in taxes. Today we hear about sustainable farming and India had more than 5000 years of sustainable agricultural industry and 1000+ of different variety of rice alone. British efforts destroyed most of this crops and farmers were left to choose only few variety of grains. Today many non-profit organizations are trying to form the seed-bank in India to get and save many exotic seeds.
Killing 10 million people is much worse disaster than what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Many Bengalis willingly become "coolies"(or bonded labors) and exported to Britain, South Africa, etc to escape famine and rest fled into jungle.
British rule also hurt many adi-vasis/primitive people who were outside caste system, as British started capturing their land and sub diving and taxing them.
Some people in here are so lame that they were declaring how British rule helped India. May be in the same way slavery helped black people. I believe India has made much progress in 65 years for what it has gone through in British and Moghuls rule.
<quoted text>
Hi! How are you? Much better I hope!

I probably won't receive your response, because they block my recieving this thread. I wander why?

GOD speed to the developing world!

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Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#7496 Jun 16, 2012
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> In his speech "A Time to Break Silence"(his denunciation of Vietnam War), Dr. King states:
"Ture compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar...It comes to see that an EDIFICE which produces beggars needs RESTRUCTURING. A true revolution of values will look uneasily on glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa and South America, only to take profits out with no concern for the social betterment of those countries and say: "This is not just." It will look at our alliance with the landed gentry in Latin America and say: "This is not just." The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just." (from A TESTAMENT OF HOPE,p. 241).
"A TESTAMENT OF HOPE!" Is that your title?

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Since: May 08

Pacific Northwest

#7497 Jun 16, 2012
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>
During a visit several years ago by Bob Moses (former Mississippi SNCC leaser), a school teacher (and socialist of European descent) suggesed to me why our educational system is so bad even in liberal "blue" states like Maryland (not to mention backward red states like Mississippi)is because the ruling class know jobs are not available, and they want folk who are POOR to be EDUCATED.

It was reported back then that 65% of all available jobs in Bmore were low wage jobs with no security. A highly educated peopole under those conditions would be dangerous......
I'd missed this post earlier and I want to acknowledge it.

Yes - no rational but exploitative ruling class wants its citizenry to have more education than they can use to make a living. I assume that the elites that run countries like Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, etc., have much the same attitude.

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Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#7498 Jun 16, 2012
EkDesiLadki wrote:
British created one of the WORST disaster that's known to this planet in India. Even today, India has world's 2nd largest irrigable land just next after USA but in 1770 it has great famine where more than 10 million people were killed just in Bengal(east India and some part of today's Bangladesh) regions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of...
The famine was directly because of British policy where they were forcing people to cultivate cash crops instead of food crops and increase in taxes. Today we hear about sustainable farming and India had more than 5000 years of sustainable agricultural industry and 1000+ of different variety of rice alone. British efforts destroyed most of this crops and farmers were left to choose only few variety of grains. Today many non-profit organizations are trying to form the seed-bank in India to get and save many exotic seeds.
Killing 10 million people is much worse disaster than what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Many Bengalis willingly become "coolies"(or bonded labors) and exported to Britain, South Africa, etc to escape famine and rest fled into jungle.
British rule also hurt many adi-vasis/primitive people who were outside caste system, as British started capturing their land and sub diving and taxing them.
Some people in here are so lame that they were declaring how British rule helped India. May be in the same way slavery helped black people. I believe India has made much progress in 65 years for what it has gone through in British and Moghuls rule.
<quoted text>
10 Million victims? That why Aime Cesaire in DISCOURSE ON COLONIALISM argued that Europe became the perpettrator of Nazism before becoming its victims. Birts who killed millions of Indians, Belgians who killed millions of Congolese, Spaniards who killed millions of Incas, Aztecs and others, whould be in as much ill repute as the madman with the moustache who murdered millions of white Europeans. The Belgians alone "Christinized and civilizd" over half the Congolese population out of existence.

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Baltimore, Md.

#7499 Jun 16, 2012
"Brits" killed millions of Indians

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Since: May 08

Pacific Northwest

#7500 Jun 16, 2012
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>
Dr. King was aware of the limited intellectual capacities of racists like Masud, but thought it remediable by progressive social reforms which would include a decent education and better diet.
LOL! Would Dr. King want more brown rice and tofu for "Masud?" Perhaps some OMEGA-3 fish oil supplements for enhanced cognition?

;o)

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Baltimore, Md.

#7501 Jun 16, 2012
JOHNS ON TOP OF IT wrote:
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"A TESTAMENT OF HOPE!" Is that your title?
No. Not the title of my book, bugt a collection of writings and sg addresses by Dr. KIng. I recommend A TESTAMENT OF HOPE to EVERYONE. It's less than $20 at BArnes and Nobles, and maybe less still a Amazon.com .

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Baltimore, Md.

#7502 Jun 16, 2012
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text> They are doing this shyt even as we speak. Working with African dictators to oppress the people. When the games occurred in SA, all the white owned businesses were given priority near the stadium while black owned ones were pushed further away. In Ethiopia native farmers were pushed off their land for foreign businesses
Fanon warned of this in THE WRETCHED OF THE EARTH. First, colonizing Europeans commit the atrocities in person. After independence, if you're not careful, they will be working their evil in cahoots with the native born tyrants and exploiters.
People sometimes get so turned off by Fanon's comments on violence (often interpreted in an oversimplified manner) that they forget (or never notice) his deeper, more nuanced analysis.

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Baltimore, Md.

#7503 Jun 16, 2012
Harrisson wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! Would Dr. King want more brown rice and tofu for "Masud?" Perhaps some OMEGA-3 fish oil supplements for enhanced cognition?
;o)
LOL!

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Since: Aug 08

Anger has no eyes!

#7504 Jun 16, 2012
Thanks, I'm doing much better brother. How are you ?

I think developing world still have lot to catch up. Even China underneath the skin has lot of problems. The people in rural china are extremely poor. Even in the developing world, wealth will be in the hand of very few shrewd influential people who act on behalf of west.

Eventually a poor westerner has lot better lifestyle and live longer than middle-class people in most places in the world.
JOHNS ON TOP OF IT wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi! How are you? Much better I hope!
I probably won't receive your response, because they block my recieving this thread. I wander why?
GOD speed to the developing world!

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Since: Aug 08

Anger has no eyes!

#7505 Jun 16, 2012
They seems to suggest that only eastern region of India had more than 10 million death toll. This is not counting the people in other regions. This also exclude millions of people that were taken as coolies to Britain, South Africa, Guyana, Trinidad, and even into USA.

Sometimes coolies were slightly better than slaves but in some places their conditions were even worse as the people who are hiring(buying) these bonded labor didn't have to provide them with benefits or housing.

"America may think immigrants always come to get something from America, from the West, and take it away, but really it was very different....Long before Asians immigrated, when East met West, it was the West that came to us"

"We labor 21 hours out of 24 and are beaten....On one occasion I received 200 blows, and though my body was a mass of wounds I was still forced to continue labor.... A single day becomes a year.... And our families know not whether we are alive or dead."

http://www.cetel.org/part1.html
Savant wrote:
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10 Million victims? That why Aime Cesaire in DISCOURSE ON COLONIALISM argued that Europe became the perpettrator of Nazism before becoming its victims. Birts who killed millions of Indians, Belgians who killed millions of Congolese, Spaniards who killed millions of Incas, Aztecs and others, whould be in as much ill repute as the madman with the moustache who murdered millions of white Europeans. The Belgians alone "Christinized and civilizd" over half the Congolese population out of existence.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#7506 Jun 16, 2012
Savant wrote:
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10 Million victims? That why Aime Cesaire in DISCOURSE ON COLONIALISM argued that Europe became the perpettrator of Nazism before becoming its victims. Birts who killed millions of Indians, Belgians who killed millions of Congolese, Spaniards who killed millions of Incas, Aztecs and others, whould be in as much ill repute as the madman with the moustache who murdered millions of white Europeans. The Belgians alone "Christinized and civilizd" over half the Congolese population out of existence.
Much Nazi policy can be traced to USA Indian Reservations.

Good analysis of this history and of the erosion of freedom in the USA:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/government...

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