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Activist: "Abortion Threatens Black America's Future"

There are 5984 comments on the Booker Rising story from Sep 24, 2012, titled Activist: "Abortion Threatens Black America's Future". In it, Booker Rising reports that:

The From Catholic Online : "Adding to the argument that abortion threatens one sector of American society over others, Catherine Davis, president of The Restoration Project, pointed out to the great racial disparity of women currently getting abortions." The article continues: "Davis said that according to the Centers for Disease Control, ... (more)

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#1280 Mar 22, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
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criminal case. has nothing to do with millions of womens reproductive rights.
How many people allowed Gosnell's criminal activity to continue? Were they prolife or were they pro"choice"?

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#1281 Mar 22, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
no one wants to see those nasty pictures.
You can't look at those pictures and still support late term and partial birth abortion. Those pictures will change your world.

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dragonpat wrote:
anyway, this is a CRIMINAL case; and this man is surely a cold blooded criminal. this has nothing to do with reproductive rights.
Abortion is premeditated murder.

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dragonpat wrote:
when a doctor is sued for malpractice, do we demiss all doctors because of this one? ok then.
Every abortion ends in the death of an innocent; that's what makes abortion different from EVERY other 'medical' procedure.

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#1282 Mar 22, 2013
If I print gory pictures of shooting victims, will you agree that guns are evil and should be gotten rid of?
Brian_G wrote:
"Abortionist Joked:'This Baby Is Big Enough to Walk Around With Me or Walk Me to the Bus Stop'
March 20, 2013
By Michael W. Chapman
( CNSNews.com )– Dr. Kermit Gosnell, an abortionist now on trial in Philadelphia charged with seven counts of first-degree murder--he allegedly cut the spinal cords of late-term aborted babies who were born alive--apparently used to joke about the large size of some the infants he aborted and in one case, according to what a co-worker told the grand jury, said,“This baby is big enough to walk around with me or walk me to the bus stop.”
Gosnell, 72, who ran a multi-million dollar abortion business in West Philadelphia, was arrested on Jan. 19, 2011, and his trial started Monday, Mar. 18, 2013. The first-degree murder counts refer to seven late-term aborted babies who were born alive and then killed, their spinal cords cut with scissors...."
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/abortionist-j...
If you don't think abortion is evil, I dare you to look at the pictures introduced into evidence.
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#1283 Mar 22, 2013
Ink wrote:
Why do you cling to the customs and norms of the first century and before to advocate against the Church.
That's probably because the Catholic Church hasn't changed any of its oppressive doctrines since its inception, especially in the matters of sex and reproduction and its treatment of women.

When the Church shows signs of wanting to join the 21st century, that will be a step in the right direction. So far, I've seen NO evidence of any significant changes. It's still STUCK IN THE PAST, and it will probably remain that way for quite a while longer.
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#1284 Mar 22, 2013
Ink wrote:
Not yet but I think they will. We have always had the right to use our on conscience on that matter.
And you think the Church will change it's "birth control is a sin" doctrine...WHEN, exactly? From what I hear of the new Pope, he has the same BACKWARD line of thinking as the previous one in matters of contraception, abortion, and gay marriage. So I still don't see ANY sign of significant changes in the Church.

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#1285 Mar 22, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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That's probably because the Catholic Church hasn't changed any of its oppressive doctrines since its inception, especially in the matters of sex and reproduction and its treatment of women.
When the Church shows signs of wanting to join the 21st century, that will be a step in the right direction. So far, I've seen NO evidence of any significant changes. It's still STUCK IN THE PAST, and it will probably remain that way for quite a while longer.
If they believe they are following the word of god and have been for a gazillion years, did god all of a sudden change? Did the manuscript change? Did they find new evidence that their god was a lesser misogynist than they previously thought? Did they discover Eve really did not eat an apple?

So many questions so little time to try to cover up the ancient bullshit with new enlightened buIIshit!

The suspense mounts!
Ink

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#1286 Mar 22, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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You're kidding me right?
You believe in a 4th century book and an institution built upon it with a bloody, murderous and thieving history that believes women are second rate to men and you are questioning why I am questioning them? You claim I am clinging to "their" customs in order to advocate against them? Now in the year 2013 you make the claim things are changing? What exactly was the holdup? So, they were not previously doing or professing "gods" work? How can things change for an institution that claims to be doing gods work according to gods book? I guess you figure somehow they will have an epiphany and be able to wiggle around all the BS they have peddled by smoothing it over with new interpretation? And the game goes on?
Seriously, are you fcking nuts?
You are stuck in the past. Nothing to be had there.
Ink

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#1287 Mar 22, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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And you think the Church will change it's "birth control is a sin" doctrine...WHEN, exactly? From what I hear of the new Pope, he has the same BACKWARD line of thinking as the previous one in matters of contraception, abortion, and gay marriage. So I still don't see ANY sign of significant changes in the Church.
You are not paying attention. From your post you have no idea who Pope Francis is. As long as you choose to remain ignorant, you can rant against the Church which shouldn't have any effect on you anyway.
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#1288 Mar 22, 2013
Ink wrote:
No you are reading in constrictions where the are none.
lol REALLY. How is the idiotic "birth control is a sin" Catholic doctrine NOT a constriction on women, or men either, for that matter? I can't wait to hear THAT explanation. I'll bring popcorn.
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#1289 Mar 22, 2013
Ink wrote:
You are not paying attention. From your post you have no idea who Pope Francis is. As long as you choose to remain ignorant, you can rant against the Church which shouldn't have any effect on you anyway.
I can rant against the Church all I want, Inky. I don't need YOUR permission or anyone else's to do that.

As far as Pope Francis is concerned, I have heard that his positions on contraception, abortion, and gay marriage are the same as the previous pope's...he's AGAINST all three.

If you have heard differently, some direct quotes from this new pope to that effect would be helpful.
Ink

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#1290 Mar 22, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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lol REALLY. How is the idiotic "birth control is a sin" Catholic doctrine NOT a constriction on women, or men either, for that matter? I can't wait to hear THAT explanation. I'll bring popcorn.
We have always had the right to consult our own conscienciouses.
Ink

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#1291 Mar 22, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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I can rant against the Church all I want, Inky. I don't need YOUR permission or anyone else's to do that.
As far as Pope Francis is concerned, I have heard that his positions on contraception, abortion, and gay marriage are the same as the previous pope's...he's AGAINST all three.
If you have heard differently, some direct quotes from this new pope to that effect would be helpful.
How would his opinions affect you?

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#1292 Mar 22, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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How many people allowed Gosnell's criminal activity to continue? Were they prolife or were they pro"choice"?
gosnell is being prosecuted. if he is not already in jail. how many abortion providers are in jail? hardly any because they were never charged WITH A CRIME.

this man was obviously criminal.

obviously someone said something because they man was investigated, busted and tried...

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#1293 Mar 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You can't look at those pictures and still support late term and partial birth abortion. Those pictures will change your world[[QUOTE].

i looked at those nasty pics. i have never been for partial birth abortion nor late term. last time i heard in most states, partial birth and late term abortion WERE ILLEGAL. and i think there is only one doctor in AMERICA that performs late term and partical birth abortion.
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Abortion is premeditated murder.
you effort to criminalize women for making our own reproductive decisions will never fly with me nor any other thinking person. abortion can't possibly be murder because you can only murder a pre-existing person who can be identified and has a name, birthdate, etc.. etc.. feti and embryos have none of these.
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Every abortion ends in the death of an innocent; that's what makes abortion different from EVERY other 'medical' procedure.
abortion is deffinitely a cessation of the gestation of life. it is a killing...no one is arguing that abortion is a medical proceedure if done in hospital enviornment.

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#1294 Mar 22, 2013
Ink wrote:
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We have always had the right to consult our own conscienciouses.
and no one will argue this. but you don't have the right to force your consciencious conclusions on the next born person whose rights are guaranteed by the constitution and bill of rights..

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#1295 Mar 22, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
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gosnell is being prosecuted. if he is not already in jail. how many abortion providers are in jail? hardly any because they were never charged WITH A CRIME.
this man was obviously criminal.
obviously someone said something because they man was investigated, busted and tried...
The only reason that Gosnell was stopped was because of a drug bust.

1)There were doctors that reported his malpractice, but their compaints were ignored.

2)Inspections were stopped because "Governor Ridge, officials concluded that inspections would be “putting a barrier up to women” seeking abortions."

3)The National Abortion Federation inspected his "clinic", "the evaluator from NAF readily noted that records were not properly kept, that risks were not explained, that patients were not monitored, that equipment was not available, that anesthesia was misused. It was the worst abortion clinic she had ever inspected. Of course, she rejected Gosnell’s application. She just never told anyone in authority about all the horrible, dangerous things she had seen."

4)"Worth special mention is Janice Staloski of the Pennsylvania
Department of Health, who personally participated in the 1992 site visit, but decided to let Gosnell slide on the violations that were already evident then. She eventually rose to become director of the division that was supposed to regulate abortion providers, but never looked at Gosnell despite specific complaints from lawyers, a doctor, and a medical examiner. After she was nonetheless promoted, her successor as division director,"

5)"Cynthia Boyne, failed to order an investigation of the clinic even when Karnamaya Mongar died there."

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Here is where you can find more.

http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/PDFs/Gr...

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#1296 Mar 22, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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The only reason that Gosnell was stopped was because of a drug bust.
1)There were doctors that reported his malpractice, but their compaints were ignored.
2)Inspections were stopped because "Governor Ridge, officials concluded that inspections would be “putting a barrier up to women” seeking abortions."
3)The National Abortion Federation inspected his "clinic", "the evaluator from NAF readily noted that records were not properly kept, that risks were not explained, that patients were not monitored, that equipment was not available, that anesthesia was misused. It was the worst abortion clinic she had ever inspected. Of course, she rejected Gosnell’s application. She just never told anyone in authority about all the horrible, dangerous things she had seen."
4)"Worth special mention is Janice Staloski of the Pennsylvania
Department of Health, who personally participated in the 1992 site visit, but decided to let Gosnell slide on the violations that were already evident then. She eventually rose to become director of the division that was supposed to regulate abortion providers, but never looked at Gosnell despite specific complaints from lawyers, a doctor, and a medical examiner. After she was nonetheless promoted, her successor as division director,"
5)"Cynthia Boyne, failed to order an investigation of the clinic even when Karnamaya Mongar died there."
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Here is where you can find more.
http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/PDFs/Gr...
this case HAS NOTHING TO DO with every womans right to make her own reproductive decisions. as a result of his drug bust, they were able to bust him in his illegal abortion practice. makes sense.

hes a criminal. most all doctors who perform abortions ARE NOT criminals. thats why they are not in jail or on their way to being so.

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#1297 Mar 22, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
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this case HAS NOTHING TO DO with every womans right to make her own reproductive decisions. as a result of his drug bust, they were able to bust him in his illegal abortion practice. makes sense.
hes a criminal. most all doctors who perform abortions ARE NOT criminals. thats why they are not in jail or on their way to being so.
Aren't these people supposed to protect women? Why did they turn a blind eye to what was happening? Why wasn't he jailed for killing women and children? Because abortion is more important than human lives. How many more have been reported, and inspected, and allowed to continue, that we don't know about?

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#1298 Mar 23, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
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you effort to criminalize women for making our own reproductive decisions will never fly with me nor any other thinking person.
I've made no "effort to criminalize women", my argument is about abortion including providers, its not about women. More significantly, my argument is moral, not legal.

I want to persuade as many people as possible that abortion is wrong.

BTW, deciding to have unprotected sex, use contraception or abstain are "reproductive decisions", abortion is the decision to murder an unborn child.

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dragonpat wrote:
abortion can't possibly be murder because you can only murder a pre-existing person who can be identified and has a name, birthdate, etc.. etc.. feti and embryos have none of these.
We're talking about the murder of the very young, pre-born. Some have names, most not, but you make an interesting point:

Abortion is the murder of the nameless millions.

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dragonpat wrote:
abortion is deffinitely a cessation of the gestation of life. it is a killing...no one is arguing that abortion is a medical proceedure if done in hospital enviornment.
Abortion is premeditated, with the intent to kill nascent a nascent human being.

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#1299 Mar 23, 2013
Ink wrote:
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You are stuck in the past. Nothing to be had there.
Religion is stuck in the past. Nothing to be had there.

I am stuck in the past but those who follow a 4th century book are not? Interesting.

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