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Activist: "Abortion Threatens Black America's Future"

There are 6108 comments on the Booker Rising story from Sep 24, 2012, titled Activist: "Abortion Threatens Black America's Future". In it, Booker Rising reports that:

The From Catholic Online : "Adding to the argument that abortion threatens one sector of American society over others, Catherine Davis, president of The Restoration Project, pointed out to the great racial disparity of women currently getting abortions." The article continues: "Davis said that according to the Centers for Disease Control, ... (more)

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zef

Los Angeles, CA

#3575 Feb 10, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
I know, and that's why I think a woman should be free to abort until the point the fetus/baby would be very likely to develop normally with normal care outside of the womb, then steps should be taken to remove it alive.
The fact the woman gestates and the man doesn't is unfair, but there is nothing the law can do to change that fact. I think the best the law can do is also give the man a chance to say "No" to parenthood. And that's why I think a man not married to a woman should have no legal obligation to the child.
What do you think about that idea?
No adult/woman should be free to kill anyone. Abortion is a crime against humanity.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#3576 Feb 10, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
I know, and that's why I think a woman should be free to abort until the point the fetus/baby would be very likely to develop normally with normal care outside of the womb, then steps should be taken to remove it alive.
The fact the woman gestates and the man doesn't is unfair, but there is nothing the law can do to change that fact. I think the best the law can do is also give the man a chance to say "No" to parenthood. And that's why I think a man not married to a woman should have no legal obligation to the child.
What do you think about that idea?
I think it gives kids the shortest end of the stick.

And I think marriage is a poor solution to unwanted pregnancy....especially if only one, or neither, party wants to make that commitment to the other.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#3577 Feb 10, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think it matters if they're men or women who want to restrict abortion.
I like to see it restricted in the way I said.
What about the views of women who, for whatever reason, can't reproduce?
I don't think it matters which gender wants to restrict abortion either - and I don't think more restrictions are the answer. There are enough restrictions on it already...it's a freakin' MEDICAL PROCEDURE, and the only outpatient surgery performed in this country which is regulated so onerously.

The federal Department of Health and Human Services dispatched its Office of Inspector General to review Medicare payments for vacuum erection systems, less formally known as penis pumps...you never seem to hear the conservative outrage machine on this stuff.
..
Certainly, there may be individual wags out there, who are miffed that their tax dollars are going for medical treatments which allow older people to have sex. There may be cranky folks who do not think that anyone should be getting Viagra for any reason, because if God wanted them to have an erection, God would have taken care of that already.

But it's not a movement. You don't see a dozen conservative women all lined up in a row to testify to Congress, that allowing men past childbearing age to have sex is an abomination unto their Lord... or nationwide hobby supply shops demanding that the entire national health care system be restructured to allow them to personally decide which of their male employees ought not to be receiving medical care for insufficient sexytimes.

Their religion may dictate that nobody have sex unless they are married, and unless they are fertile, but there is no nationwide, Fox-News-covered, movement afoot, to demand that the appropriate health care remedies be given only to married and fertile people.
You don't hear the Fox News talking heads going on about that.

It's only American women that get that treatment. Nobody's screening the menfolk to ensure that they only get their Viagra or their vacuum erection systems, if their employers are all right with that sort of thing.

There is not 1/1000th of the attention spent, deciding whether employers, or taxpayers, or random lawmakers of particular theocratic bent, ought to have the same veto power over sexual health care for men,that they are all presumed to have by "natural law" over women.

And it is not a case of hobby shops or taxpayers or theocratic lawmakers simply never having the idea, until some other wag pointed it out... because wags have been pointing it out for a very, very long time now to no effect whatsoever.

Nope; it is still only the womenfolk whose fertility needs to be managed and ensured, never the men.

How to explain it? It is a mystery.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#3578 Feb 10, 2014
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think it matters which gender wants to restrict abortion either - and I don't think more restrictions are the answer. There are enough restrictions on it already...it's a freakin' MEDICAL PROCEDURE, and the only outpatient surgery performed in this country which is regulated so onerously.
The federal Department of Health and Human Services dispatched its Office of Inspector General to review Medicare payments for vacuum erection systems, less formally known as penis pumps...you never seem to hear the conservative outrage machine on this stuff.
..
Certainly, there may be individual wags out there, who are miffed that their tax dollars are going for medical treatments which allow older people to have sex. There may be cranky folks who do not think that anyone should be getting Viagra for any reason, because if God wanted them to have an erection, God would have taken care of that already.
But it's not a movement. You don't see a dozen conservative women all lined up in a row to testify to Congress, that allowing men past childbearing age to have sex is an abomination unto their Lord... or nationwide hobby supply shops demanding that the entire national health care system be restructured to allow them to personally decide which of their male employees ought not to be receiving medical care for insufficient sexytimes.
Their religion may dictate that nobody have sex unless they are married, and unless they are fertile, but there is no nationwide, Fox-News-covered, movement afoot, to demand that the appropriate health care remedies be given only to married and fertile people.
You don't hear the Fox News talking heads going on about that.
It's only American women that get that treatment. Nobody's screening the menfolk to ensure that they only get their Viagra or their vacuum erection systems, if their employers are all right with that sort of thing.
There is not 1/1000th of the attention spent, deciding whether employers, or taxpayers, or random lawmakers of particular theocratic bent, ought to have the same veto power over sexual health care for men,that they are all presumed to have by "natural law" over women.
And it is not a case of hobby shops or taxpayers or theocratic lawmakers simply never having the idea, until some other wag pointed it out... because wags have been pointing it out for a very, very long time now to no effect whatsoever.
Nope; it is still only the womenfolk whose fertility needs to be managed and ensured, never the men.
How to explain it? It is a mystery.
There has been much debate among historians as to why the Nazis set out to exterminate the Jews. Some have stated that it had always been HitlerÂ’s plan to exterminate the Jews, while others have perceived the POLITICAL PROCEDURE as a result of a long and curved process, where the Nazi Jewish policy was gradually implemented.
The JewsÂ’ presence in the German-occupied parts of Europe was seen as a problem and a great annoyance. At best, they were to disappear from the face of the earth, so that the Nazis could reach their goal: a Greater Germany free from Jews. Different solutions were tried: voluntary immigration, forced immigration, and several different plans for deportation. Plans surfaced to deport all the Jews to the east, first to eastern Poland, then to Siberia. Serious plans were also developed that included deporting all European Jews to the east African island of Madagascar.
Nope; it is still only the Germanfolk whose politics needs to be managed and ensured, never the Americans.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Level 10

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#3579 Feb 10, 2014
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>Babies aren't born BEFORE an abortion either, Bri.
Have you gestated anyone yet?????????? Right......you haven't. Next....
Dead Babies is a gender neutral name but Brian isn't.

What does gestation have to do with morality? Murder is murder.

Level 5

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#3580 Feb 10, 2014
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
No adult/woman should be free to kill anyone. Abortion is a crime against humanity.
If you feel that way, and ever find yourself pregnant, don't get one.

Level 5

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#3581 Feb 10, 2014
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>I think it gives kids the shortest end of the stick.
And I think marriage is a poor solution to unwanted pregnancy....especially if only one, or neither, party wants to make that commitment to the other.
I'm not suggesting that the couple marry, just that the man should have no obligation to the child if the couple aren't married.
And I do think the woman should be able to abort to a certain point.

Level 5

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#3582 Feb 10, 2014
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
There has been much debate among historians as to why the Nazis set out to exterminate the Jews...
Godwin's Law.

Level 5

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#3583 Feb 10, 2014
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think it matters which gender wants to restrict abortion either - and I don't think more restrictions are the answer. There are enough restrictions on it already...it's a freakin' MEDICAL PROCEDURE, and the only outpatient surgery performed in this country which is regulated so onerously.
The federal Department of Health and Human Services dispatched its Office of Inspector General to review Medicare payments for vacuum erection systems, less formally known as penis pumps...you never seem to hear the conservative outrage machine on this stuff.
..
Certainly, there may be individual wags out there, who are miffed that their tax dollars are going for medical treatments which allow older people to have sex. There may be cranky folks who do not think that anyone should be getting Viagra for any reason, because if God wanted them to have an erection, God would have taken care of that already.
But it's not a movement. You don't see a dozen conservative women all lined up in a row to testify to Congress, that allowing men past childbearing age to have sex is an abomination unto their Lord... or nationwide hobby supply shops demanding that the entire national health care system be restructured to allow them to personally decide which of their male employees ought not to be receiving medical care for insufficient sexytimes.
Their religion may dictate that nobody have sex unless they are married, and unless they are fertile, but there is no nationwide, Fox-News-covered, movement afoot, to demand that the appropriate health care remedies be given only to married and fertile people.
You don't hear the Fox News talking heads going on about that.
It's only American women that get that treatment. Nobody's screening the menfolk to ensure that they only get their Viagra or their vacuum erection systems, if their employers are all right with that sort of thing.
There is not 1/1000th of the attention spent, deciding whether employers, or taxpayers, or random lawmakers of particular theocratic bent, ought to have the same veto power over sexual health care for men,that they are all presumed to have by "natural law" over women.
And it is not a case of hobby shops or taxpayers or theocratic lawmakers simply never having the idea, until some other wag pointed it out... because wags have been pointing it out for a very, very long time now to no effect whatsoever.
Nope; it is still only the womenfolk whose fertility needs to be managed and ensured, never the men.
How to explain it? It is a mystery.
It seems that we are just more burdened with other people's religion here in the US.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#3584 Feb 10, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
If you feel that way, and ever find yourself pregnant, don't get one.
When a society forms around any institution, as the South did around slavery, it will formulate a set of arguments to support it. The Southerners held ever firmer to their arguments as the political tensions in the country drew us ever closer to the Civil War.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#3585 Feb 10, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
Godwin's Law.
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.

Level 5

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#3586 Feb 10, 2014
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.
Your comparison wasn't appropriate.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#3587 Feb 10, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
Your comparison wasn't appropriate.
Killing jews because they are unwanted, doesn't compare to killing babies because they are unwanted? How drunk are you?
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#3588 Feb 10, 2014
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
Disillusioned words like bullets bark
As human gods aim for their marks
Made everything from toy guns that sparks
To flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark
It's easy to see without looking too far
That not much
Is really sacred.
Old men judges, watch people in pairs
Limited in sex, they dare
To push fake morals, insult and stare
While money doesn't talk, it swears
Obscenity, who really cares
Propaganda, all is phony.
:

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Level 1

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#3589 Feb 11, 2014
zef wrote:
<quoted text>:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Tugaqxr3F3YXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Level 1

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#3590 Feb 11, 2014
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
When a society forms around any institution, as the South did around slavery, it will formulate a set of arguments to support it.
Just as you are doing. Slavery and the anti choicers position have much in common.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Level 1

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#3591 Feb 11, 2014
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Killing jews because they are unwanted, doesn't compare to killing babies because they are unwanted? How drunk are you?
No comparison at all.

Pure hyperbole such as this and the slavery issue is used by hysterical right wing religious freaks.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#3592 Feb 11, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not suggesting that the couple marry, just that the man should have no obligation to the child if the couple aren't married.
And I do think the woman should be able to abort to a certain point.
You don't think that born children have the right to the support of both parents, unless the parents are in possession of a piece of legal documentation?

Why not?

Women ARE able to electively abort 'until a certain point' presently. Past that point, we must have a specific medical reason, to obtain one legally.

How small a window of opportunity to make this decision, would you recommend? Especially considering that often one doesn't even know one is pregnant for several weeks after conception....

“Reality is better than truth.”

Level 1

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#3593 Feb 11, 2014
Every child born should have the (at least financial) support of both progenitors. It's a healthy start for the child. Paternity should be proven before support is assigned, though.
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not suggesting that the couple marry, just that the man should have no obligation to the child if the couple aren't married.
And I do think the woman should be able to abort to a certain point.
carmen

Memphis, TN

#3594 Feb 11, 2014
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>I think it gives kids the shortest end of the stick.
And I think marriage is a poor solution to unwanted pregnancy....especially if only one, or neither, party wants to make that commitment to the other.
Yep. It's amazing that people want to turn back the clock regarding standards for personal relationships. Forcing people together for a lifetime is not the answer to unwanted pregnancies. It's not progress. It certainly doesn't help kids.

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