Activist: "Abortion Threatens Black America's Future"

There are 5683 comments on the Booker Rising story from Sep 24, 2012, titled Activist: "Abortion Threatens Black America's Future". In it, Booker Rising reports that:

The From Catholic Online : "Adding to the argument that abortion threatens one sector of American society over others, Catherine Davis, president of The Restoration Project, pointed out to the great racial disparity of women currently getting abortions." The article continues: "Davis said that according to the Centers for Disease Control, ... (more)

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Lisa

Tulsa, OK

#3270 Feb 3, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Because I don't know what it means.
What does it mean?
(of living things) capable of normal growth and development
Rose_NoHo wrote:
I think that's very important
Why do you believe it's important how the unwanted baby survive outside the womb to the host and those who are making the argument that women should have a right to her own body?
Rose_NoHo wrote:
The fetus would be inside her body, living off of her system. That's a big difference.

I am not stating human or nonhuman status. Whatever you want to call the fetus, when it is inside a woman's body, dependent on her system, it should be her choice.
BTW, I'm not pro abortion. I'm pro choice.
so it doesn't matter that the baby has reached a point of viability/development in which it has a heartbeat, etc..it still should be killed at the whim of the mother?
How are you pro-abortion...is in support of abortion as an option..so you're pro-abortion as well
Lisa

Tulsa, OK

#3271 Feb 3, 2014
cpeter1313 wrote:
Which is why so many women fake orgasms, I guess.
Men never faked an orgasm before?
cpeter1313 wrote:
Sex isn't the issue; the problem is that women are conditioned socially and religiously to "submit" to men, including sexually. A sexually-aggressive woman scares most straight guys. And if people were taught that sex and love are two different things, and each fine on their own, you'd see a lot fewer problems over-all.
Well..if sex isn't the issue..then you agree there is nothing wrong with women exist for male pleasure (as well as men exist for women pleasure)...that this is natural..a simple yes or no will do? And that in most cases..women volunteer for this activity..
cpeter1313 wrote:
Sexual responsibility has nothing to do with how a woman chooses to deal with a pregnancy; they are two different issues.
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"Nothing to do with"......You cannot separate the two..most women seeking abortion...haven't been raped...
and if more people were actually sexually responsible there would be a huge decrease in the amount STDs, HIV, and unplanned pregnancy...
Lisa

Tulsa, OK

#3272 Feb 3, 2014
cpeter1313 wrote:
Abortions that occur at the time of viability are virtually ALL performed for medical reasons--the fetus is dead or dying, won't survive birthing, the woman's health are endangered, etc. They are performed because they need to be, not as elective procedures.
<quoted text>
We already know why there is viability in place...The question is for those who support abortion at any time during pregnancy.. even at this stage of the fetus development..when a clear heartbeat is heard...that if the same "fetus" was born prematurely....measures would be taken to assist it's survival..
Lisa

Tulsa, OK

#3273 Feb 3, 2014
cpeter1313 wrote:
Feticide isn't a crime. Terminating a pregnancy against the woman's will is.
we're talking about fetal homicide..which illgeal in most states..and the fetus is consider a homicide victim.
cpeter1313 wrote:
My posts may sound robotic BECAUSE I choose words carefully. My emotions have nothing to do with abortion; this is just part of the much bigger issue of equality under the law/civil rights. I don't make emotional arguments; I leave that to the PLM'ers.
Maybe you cannot be objective; I can.
<quoted text>
none of your posts sound robotic...they are all filled with emotions like everyone else's.
Lisa

Tulsa, OK

#3274 Feb 3, 2014
cpeter1313 wrote:
No, that's the legal argument. Fetuses have no rights and are only allowed as much relevance to a pregnancy as the pregnant woman grants it. You have no legal standing at all in terms of someone else's pregnancy.
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You're just repeating yourself...Everyone can google fetus rights and see they indeed have rights..you want to connect it to the pregnancy..in an attempt to reduce the unique rights design for them in order to reduce the contradictions found in law about their (non)human status.....that fine, but it doesn't neglect the fact..they have rights too.. They have rights to not be murdered by a 3rd party or that party is charged with murder (in the same manner as murdering any other HUMAN...you cannot get around this fact...not the murder of just it's mother, but the mother of two people..that is a right to the fetus..sorry)..then their is the social assistance/welfare..the fetus has...which nobody is claiming the pregnant should not get because the fetus isn't a human baby to qualify..and there are monetary and property benefits a fetus can also heredit.. Those are rights..no way to deny it..
Lisa

Tulsa, OK

#3275 Feb 3, 2014
cpeter1313 wrote:
FHL's are irrelevant to abortion. Even the FHL's themselves acknowledge this. A fetus has no right to inheritance or anything else; born children do. Fetuses do not have rights and cannot be granted rights under the constitution.
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You need to do some research..as this is not true...fetus inherit property, social assistant, etc..all the time (not just borned children) and 3rd parties are charged with the MURDER of fetus (in the same manner as any other human) all the time...and it's double murder not just one...
cpeter1313 wrote:
Women are "responsible" for the fetus? Pregnancy is a matter of biological happenstance. Neither men nor women are obligated to maintain a pregnancy..
Happenstance? Unless the woman is Mother Mary..it doesn't just happen..and outside of rape..she is indeed responsible for her pregnancy....she created the existences of the fetus..
You don't believe women should be accountable for her sexual choices?
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cpeter1313 wrote:
A need is something required to maintain life, health, or mental stability. Since any pregnancy can go bad or cause harm to the woman's system, an abortion is a needed procedure to maintain her status quo if she chooses not to take the risks involved.
so it is about the woman's whim..maybe the pregnancy could go bad or cause harm..maybe not...Oh well..let's abort..That's the sum of your argument for "Need"?
Lisa

Tulsa, OK

#3276 Feb 3, 2014
carmen wrote:
<quoted text> The option to end a pregnancy is already there..and it is legal (as it should be).
Women take on the primary role of caretaker..even with a man (almost every woman will attest to this). The impact a child has on a womans life is tremendously different from a man. With the advancement of freedoms for men and women..abortion, adoption etc...must be on the table to address the needs of a changing populace. There is no going back..it's onward and upward from here..
And Father's rights should be on the table as well..the legal system should not tell him when he should embrace fatherhood and demand X amount of his income to go to a woman and child/ren..he don't want..just because she decided to birth..he must have her financially for the next 18 so years or face possible jail time? you want to empower women with less sexual responsibility, all the decision on whether the man's bloodline dies off or continue, and then charged him for it for almost 20 years..if SHE decides to bring it to term....
carmen wrote:
Plus..let's be honest..how many women are getting the child support needed to support a child? Many women get absolutely zero in terms of child support. So the man gets to have a bloodline, gets to have his fun and leave the kid in the care of someone else while he keeps all of his resources to himself. How is that fair?
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How is it not fair...if he doesn't want to be a father or share his resources with a woman and an unwanted child...if women are going to advocate control over birthing or not...then what's wrong with a man advocating where his resources will be spent?
carmen wrote:
Otherwise, I do not believe males should be forced to care for children they didn't want and with the option of abortion on the table ..
it's only fair to add some sort of balance.
And what exactly..would that be? Up to the point of procreation (minus rape)..they both were willing participant in pleasure....yet she gets to decide to abort or not (being it's not his fault he cannot carry his own bloodline..so he doesn't even get to decide if he wants to be a father or not)...and if she decides to birth...this guy is now judged as the bad guy because he doesn't want to be a father (yet a woman has the option of abortion when she doesn't want to be a mother)...and it doesn't stop with social judgment, but the man is now legally obligated to financial support a kid he doesn't want (when a woman can opt for abortion if she's having financial problems as mention earlier)..and with the push of Father's rights...Women will be holding the bag alone on this one in the near future..
carmen wrote:
. However, the situation for that would require heavy monitoring and concrete proof that each party knew the feelings of the other. Because as we know, some men us pregnancy as a way to control women..and that needs to end..
And some women use pregnancy and kids to control men..to get paid off men and the system..

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#3277 Feb 3, 2014
Lisa wrote:
<quoted text>
Slavery brought gains for America as well..doesn't mean it should have ever existed either..
That's a given..there are little respect for people of color, there are little respect for men, their are little respect for the poor...You think women are more special than everyone else? They aren't going to be excluded from their fair share of social ills..
Why do you keep referring to women as 'they'?
"fair share of social ills".... according to whom?
You?
It is to laugh...here you are, bitching that women think we are 'more special' than anybody else, and yet trumpeting the idea that fetuses are more special than born people, with the extra right of compelling another person to sacrifice and subjugate organs and systems ito an attempt to gestate them....whether we are willing to gestate or not.
Pah!!
Lisa wrote:
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At what cost... the cost of solid marriages and families?
Who gets to define 'marriage'?
Who gets to define 'families'?
YOU? Or people who want to get married and have families?
Note: some people may have different ideas of what 'marriage' and 'family' mean, than you do. This is a democracy. Deal with it.
Lisa wrote:
<quoted text>
women may be more Legally tolerated... Women still are raped...abused, used more so as sexual objects? etc...
So are men. So are little kids...fair share of social ills, remember?
God, you're such a fucking hypocrite.
Lisa wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text> You sound extremely masculine..
No, that's you, referring to women as 'they' rather than 'we'.
You're a woman, right?
Sure you are.
Lisa wrote:
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as if having a spine for a woman requires her to not embrace what is connected to being a woman..and pregnancy is included in that...
As if being a moral person requires her to embrace pregnancy, and attempt to gestate regardless of risk, and regardless of desire and ability to parent....and regardless of the circumstances under which her born child will do all this 'living' you claim to be in favor of.
Pregnancy is a happenstance of biology, and does not define women. Many women never become pregnant, and NEVER WANT TO. This in no way indicates a lack of femininity.
You said yourself - femininity is defined as womanly feelings. The feelings of a woman who has murderous feelings toward her offspring, are still being felt by A WOMAN. Therefore, they are 'womanly'.
Women are not saints, and why would you want us to be? The great majority of Saints are dead....it's pretty much part of the whole 'saint' package.
Is that what you want? You want us dead?
Pass.
Lisa wrote:
<quoted text>
since when did that which is naturally unique to the female gender (pregnancy) become a negative thing?
Since when has pregnancy lacked negative aspects?
Since when has it become some sort of nirvana to become pregnant, give birth, and be a mother? As if every woman sails through gestation, pushes out a watermelon sized fetus with a couple of deep breaths and no risk to her health...and navigates motherhood in perfect equilibrium with 'her natural design'.

Pardon me, but why would you try to sell this utter twaddle? How stupid do you think we are?

Just because YOU choose to view it with rosy-eyed romantic enthusiasm, doesn't mean that 'pregnancy is a blissful gift' for any woman who isn't you.

Thank your lucky stars more women don't have abortions. The world is often a shitty place.
Lisa

Tulsa, OK

#3278 Feb 3, 2014
carmen wrote:
<quoted text> Whose asking anyone to feel sorry for women? If anything, women are telling everyone to not worry about what they do with their bodies. It's others who insist on intrusion concerning what a woman does with a pregnancy..when at the end of the day, it isn't anyones business whether a woman chooses abortion..
Women and others are asking women to feel sorry for women.
.All the arguments on here for women's rights/abortion has been from the point of damsel in distress..
"women exist for male pleasure"
"men lie to women"
"men abuse women"
"the fetus is using my body as a host"
"pregnancy is only beneficial to the fetus..the woman gets nothing from it"
carmen wrote:
<quoted text> Sex and pregnancy aren't the same issue. Women no more want to get pregnant every time they have sex than men claim they want to impregnate..
Hence why a lot of sexual responsibility need to be happening..and abortion is only one option for "unwanted pregnancy"..it doesn't help with all the cases of Stds and HIVs running around because of a lack responsible behavior..
carmen wrote:
Anyone can be victimized by another..abortion is the womans way of going about her life when often time she was misled to begin with. I'm sure we all know of situations which were extremely unfair to the woman..in terms of outcome..
damsel in distress again...When are women going to actually be empowered..take responsibility for their own choices..they decided to sex that particular guy...in the same way they are responsible to abort or not..either women are responsible for their bodies or they are not..either they want people to feel sorry for them or they are strong beings who are intelligent enough to know who they should be having sex with...
carmen wrote:
<quoted text> Lots of them were. But regardless, no matter a womans reasons for abortion..that is her business ..she doesn't owe anyone an explanation for what she chooses to do with her body. That's extremely personal.
Lots of them were tricked by bad men? LOL
How does a grown woman get trick...I mean the average Western woman deals with males at an early age..maybe "seriously" around teen..how is she still being tricked? And at what age are women smart enough not to get trick? what age do women become responsible for her own decision to get involve with a male or not or men are solely responsible during the interaction of the sexes?

“Home is Where the Heart is”

Level 2

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#3279 Feb 4, 2014
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you keep referring to women as 'they'?
Why not?
dedbebbies wrote:
"fair share of social ills".... according to whom?
You?
according to the fair share of social ills women face...I'm sure no group is all that happy about their own fair share..
dedbebbies wrote:
It is to laugh...here you are, bitching that women think we are 'more special' than anybody else, and yet trumpeting the idea that fetuses are more special than born people, with the extra right of compelling another person to sacrifice and subjugate organs and systems ito an attempt to gestate them....whether we are willing to gestate or not.
Pah!!
Where did I say women think they are more special than everyone else...did you not see the question mark? And if you don't think women are more special..then they will face their fair share of social ills like everyone else..
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>Who gets to define 'marriage'?
Who gets to define 'families'?
YOU? Or people who want to get married and have families?
I'm going to need to buy you a dictionary...
dedbebbies wrote:
Note: some people may have different ideas of what 'marriage' and 'family' mean, than you do. This is a democracy. Deal with it.
What is this deal with it nonsense..you assume too much...
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>So are men. So are little kids...fair share of social ills, remember?
God, you're such a fucking hypocrite.
No..you're just too emotional too be rational on this topic...who said men and children aren't raped and abused and even disrespected as well..the claim was women were more respected...not men or children..women were the focal point...
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>No, that's you, referring to women as 'they' rather than 'we'.
You're a woman, right?
and?
dedbebbies wrote:
Sure you are.
of course I am
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dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>As if being a moral person requires her to embrace pregnancy
that's not what was pointed out...Calling women who do embrace their pregnancy spineless is extremely masculine.. women are know required to take pride in male qualities and not those associated uniquely to females?
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dedbebbies wrote:
Pregnancy is a happenstance of biology, and does not define women. Many women never become pregnant, and NEVER WANT TO. This in no way indicates a lack of femininity.
How many times do I need to explain this to you? We're talking about pregnancy and it's connection to the female gender..we are not talking about individual women...

“Home is Where the Heart is”

Level 2

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#3280 Feb 4, 2014
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dedbebbies wrote:
You said yourself - femininity is defined as womanly feelings. The feelings of a woman who has murderous feelings toward her offspring, are still being felt by A WOMAN. Therefore, they are 'womanly'.
I didn't say that was the meaning of femininity..it means "the quality of being female"...(the process of pregnancy...regardless of which individual participate in it's experience is design for FEMALES)...

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dedbebbies wrote:
Women are not saints, and why would you want us to be? The great majority of Saints are dead....it's pretty much part of the whole 'saint' package.
Is that what you want? You want us dead?
Women aren't helpless damsel in distresses either (although that seems to be the only card many of you like to play..wanting everyone to pity you will screaming how empowered you are)..always the victim of some men..needing legal backing for their sexual behavior..while requiring men to be subject to their decisions..
Men aren't saints...yet women advocate the right to decide if he becomes a father or not..if she will take some of his resources to support herself and his unwanted child..
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dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>Since when has pregnancy lacked negative aspects?
Since when has it become some sort of nirvana to become pregnant, give birth, and be a mother? As if every woman sails through gestation, pushes out a watermelon sized fetus with a couple of deep breaths and no risk to her health...and navigates motherhood in perfect equilibrium with 'her natural design'.
Pardon me, but why would you try to sell this utter twaddle? How stupid do you think we are?
Just because YOU choose to view it with rosy-eyed romantic enthusiasm, doesn't mean that 'pregnancy is a blissful gift' for any woman who isn't you.
Thank your lucky stars more women don't have abortions. The world is often a shitty place.
You're the one who claimed pregnancy had no benefits for the woman (she this weakling that is going through pregnancy for what reason now?...oh to benefit the man by continuing his bloodline...and she has no say in this..she's going to sarcifice her body for the man and this fetus that's putting her at risk..even though their is no benefit to her..she
s not the spineless one in all this though)..it's simply not true.. You want us to believe pregnancy is so horrible for all expectant mothers..that they should be rewarded for NOT aborting or sympathized with for aborting...oh yeah..not the damsel there....

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Level 1

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#3281 Feb 4, 2014
Lisa wrote:
<quoted text> You do know what the word "should" mean don't you?
SHOULD mean? I know what the word means...not what it should mean. Maybe you would care to explain what it "should "mean?

I also know what the word individual means...do you? I also know that women are capable of many things beyond a role that was issued to them. Do you?

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Level 1

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#3282 Feb 4, 2014
Lisa wrote:
<quoted text>And women can create the population on their own?
Men produce an orgasm, that is their entire contribution in the reproductive process. Women do the rest and deliver the goods.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Level 1

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#3283 Feb 4, 2014
Lisa wrote:
<quoted text>
Slavery brought gains for America as well..doesn't mean it should have ever existed either..
<quoted text> That's a given..there are little respect for people of color, there are little respect for men, their are little respect for the poor...You think women are more special than everyone else? They aren't going to be excluded from their fair share of social ills..
<quoted text> At what cost... the cost of solid marriages and families?
And what you deem as respect..may not necessary be... women may be more Legally tolerated... Women still are raped...abused? used more so as sexual objects? etc....
<quoted text> You sound extremely masculine..as if having a spine for a woman requires her to not embrace what is connected to being a woman..and pregnancy is included in that...since when did that which is naturally unique to the female gender (pregnancy) become a negative thing?
Lisa wrote:
<quoted text>
Slavery brought gains for America as well..doesn't mean it should have ever existed either..
Now you are equating feminism with slavery? Are you insane? I equate slavery and the role issued to women as submissive and subservient on somewhat equal footing.

Tell you what. Why don't you pack it up and move to...Saudi Arabia or some other backwards middle east utopia where feminism is not allowed ? As a feminist, I will help you pack.
Lisa wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a given..there are little respect for people of color, there are little respect for men, their are little respect for the poor...You think women are more special than everyone else? They aren't going to be excluded from their fair share of social ills..
Who exactly is doing all the disrespecting here?

Your tirade makes zero sense. So therefore people of color should not advance or lift themselves up do to the disrespect? Same with women? They should have remained there docile, submissive, subservient stuck in the role issued to them? Again...are you insane?
Lisa wrote:
<quoted text>
At what cost... the cost of solid marriages and families?
And what you deem as respect..may not necessary be... women may be more Legally tolerated... Women still are raped...abused? used more so as sexual objects? etc....
<quoted text>
OK...I smell religion, am I right? Of course I am! Solid marriages? There are plenty of solid marriages and plenty that have went south. As ALWAYS! Women lived in unhappy and often times abusive marriages because they were male dependent. Not any more...THANK THE STARS!

So you think women should NOT be legally tolerated? TOLERATED...WTF???

Women have always been raped and abused, your point? Again they should just accept it ?? Is that your point? You don't have a point!
Lisa wrote:
<quoted text>
You sound extremely masculine..as if having a spine for a woman requires her to not embrace what is connected to being a woman..and pregnancy is included in that...since when did that which is naturally unique to the female gender (pregnancy) become a negative thing?
I sound masculine? You sound docile and stupid. You must live where women do not speak or express themselves in whispered tones.

Women can accept or decline pregnancy, we have many methods of contraceptives and they are all being used. Again, your point makes zero sense.
gidget

Scottsdale, AZ

#3284 Feb 4, 2014
IR BW wrote:
<quoted text>c/s
As far as I'm concern medical advancements and proven science cannot catch up fast enough...to shortened that window will save a lot more lives..but I have no doubt we will get there..
You know nothing about the biology of the developing fetus, I see.
Dismissed.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Level 10

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#3285 Feb 4, 2014
Discouraging abortion is embracing life.

Don't be a murderer, adoption beats abortion if the mother's life isn't jeopardized..

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#3286 Feb 4, 2014
IR BW wrote:
<quoted text>Why not?<quoted text> according to the fair share of social ills women face...I'm sure no group is all that happy about their own fair share..
<quoted text>
Where did I say women think they are more special than everyone else...did you not see the question mark? And if you don't think women are more special..then they will face their fair share of social ills like everyone else..
<quoted text> I'm going to need to buy you a dictionary...<quoted text> What is this deal with it nonsense..you assume too much...<quoted text> No..you're just too emotional too be rational on this topic...who said men and children aren't raped and abused and even disrespected as well..the claim was women were more respected...not men or children..women were the focal point...<quoted text>and?<quoted text> of course I am
.<quoted text> that's not what was pointed out...Calling women who do embrace their pregnancy spineless is extremely masculine.. women are know required to take pride in male qualities and not those associated uniquely to females?
.<quoted text>How many times do I need to explain this to you? We're talking about pregnancy and it's connection to the female gender..we are not talking about individual women...
I *assume* too much?

What do you think your entire post is, pallie?

It's a giant ASUMPTION that you're right, and that your viewpoint applies to everyone. Get a clue: It doesn't.

Some pregnant women will have babies, and some will have abortions.

No matter how much you beat your heels against the floor, you don't define women, you don't define marriage, you don't define family, you don't make reproductive decisions for other people, and you don't decide what is a 'fair share' of social ills.

And you don't define the parameters of a conversation - unless you're conversing with yourself.

Rather than bemoan the "problem" that not all women view pregnancy and gestation with the bonhomie you've assigned to the process, you could be part of the solution - but that, apparently, would be too much work.

Pffft.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#3287 Feb 4, 2014
Five month old Benjamin Sargent was dropped off at his mom and dadís house strapped into his car seat. He was found in that same position 8 days later. Benjamin had died from an infection caused by feces in his diaper that eventually ate through his skin. This was a result of him lying in his own waste and not being changed for eight days.Tracy Hermann and James Sargent, not only neglected to change their sonís diaper, but also neglected to feed him. The five-month baby only weighed 2 pounds more then he weighed at birth when he was found. Little Benjamin died with his eyes open, his fists clenched and strapped into his car seat after eight days without food or water. State Attorney Kevin Lyons said the parents simply left little Benjamin in his crib, strapped to his car seat, while they played video games, slept and ate. Police interviewed the father who at first told them he had moved the baby a couple of times, but later conceded that he might not have moved Benjamin at all during that week. The mother allegedly told the police she looked at the baby in the crib and presumed he was sleeping, so she said she stuck a bottle between the baby and the side of the car seat so that when he woke up he could grab it to feed himself. Lyons stated that James Sargent, 23, showed a complete and total lack of remorse for the death of his son. A Peoria County Judge sentenced Sargent to the maximum of 100 years in prison. Tracy Hermann, 21, was sentenced to 50 years after she pleaded guilty to first-degree murder in the death of her son Benjamin. She will have to serve her entire sentence.

If she'd aborted that pregnancy, Little Benjamin wouldn't have had his
"Fair share of social ills" - so I guess she did the right thing by giving birth to him instead.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#3288 Feb 4, 2014
The Benjamin Sargent story can be found here.

http://dailybuzzlive.com/archives/2764

Pardon my lack of citation, for the cut-n-paste above.
carmen

Columbus, OH

#3289 Feb 4, 2014
Lisa wrote:
<quoted text>
And Father's rights should be on the table as well..the legal system should not tell him when he should embrace fatherhood and demand X amount of his income to go to a woman and child/ren..he don't want..just because she decided to birth..he must have her financially for the next 18 so years or face possible jail time? you want to empower women with less sexual responsibility, all the decision on whether the man's bloodline dies off or continue, and then charged him for it for almost 20 years..if SHE decides to bring it to term....
<quoted text>
How is it not fair...if he doesn't want to be a father or share his resources with a woman and an unwanted child...if women are going to advocate control over birthing or not...then what's wrong with a man advocating where his resources will be spent?
<quoted text> And what exactly..would that be? Up to the point of procreation (minus rape)..they both were willing participant in pleasure....yet she gets to decide to abort or not (being it's not his fault he cannot carry his own bloodline..so he doesn't even get to decide if he wants to be a father or not)...and if she decides to birth...this guy is now judged as the bad guy because he doesn't want to be a father (yet a woman has the option of abortion when she doesn't want to be a mother)...and it doesn't stop with social judgment, but the man is now legally obligated to financial support a kid he doesn't want (when a woman can opt for abortion if she's having financial problems as mention earlier)..and with the push of Father's rights...Women will be holding the bag alone on this one in the near future..
<quoted text>
And some women use pregnancy and kids to control men..to get paid off men and the system..
You misunderstand. I've already agreed that because of the legal freedom of women to choose to continue pregnancy or not choose pregnancy, to make things more fair, men shouldn't be forced to pay child support for kids they don't want. The caveut would be there must be proof of this before engaging in sex. May even need a systemic way of doing this.

You state I support women in the quest for less sexual responsibility?? Where have I stated such a thing? You seem to think that women who have had an abortion aren't accepting responsibility and I do not agree with that. I believe making a decision to not become a mother when one is not fully ready is accepting responsibility. I consider it a humane act in fact. Much more humane than birthing a child and then neglecting the child or not having the proper resources to raise the child in the current environment.

Considering the average woman doesn't get child support, I don't see how anyone still believes that women are having kids to get child support. And considering the average child support order is not very good to begin with, what would be the benefit? I just don't see it.

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