Activist: "Abortion Threatens Black America's Future"

There are 20 comments on the Booker Rising story from Sep 24, 2012, titled Activist: "Abortion Threatens Black America's Future". In it, Booker Rising reports that:

The From Catholic Online : "Adding to the argument that abortion threatens one sector of American society over others, Catherine Davis, president of The Restoration Project, pointed out to the great racial disparity of women currently getting abortions." The article continues: "Davis said that according to the Centers for Disease Control, ... (more)

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Doc Shop Vac OBGYN

Warwick, RI

#307 Feb 7, 2013
Keep going you black queens and don't let anyone stand in the way of you getting the abortion you deserve and need. My dear black broads help save society and abort today. Let's not go back to the coat hanger days of mammy and such. Help us achieve our goal of one million negro abortions this year. Help us save America!!!

“Reality is better than truth.”

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Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#308 Feb 7, 2013
I didn't realize the KKK was so big in RI.
Doc Shop Vac OBGYN wrote:
Keep going you black queens and don't let anyone stand in the way of you getting the abortion you deserve and need. My dear black broads help save society and abort today. Let's not go back to the coat hanger days of mammy and such. Help us achieve our goal of one million negro abortions this year. Help us save America!!!
willie

Hyde Park, MA

#309 Feb 7, 2013
to late to complain about that, the AA community is doomed, or maybe the Caribbean community in the UK is doomed even more

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#310 Feb 8, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
Oh PLEASE, what complete nonsense. At the end of the day, the prochoice position can be reduced to just four simple words: let EACH woman decide. Some women will choose to terminate a pregnancy, others will choose to continue it. Either way, YOU don't get to make reproductive decisions for anyone but yourself. Get over it.
Then, Ocean56 believes the immorality of abortion is relative to the mother's opinion. I don't suppose the unborn baby's opinion matters.

Abortion is immoral because it kills. Sometimes the mother dies during abortion too.

“Blessed Be”

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#311 Feb 8, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Then, Ocean56 believes the immorality of abortion is relative to the mother's opinion. I don't suppose the unborn baby's opinion matters.
Abortion is immoral because it kills. Sometimes the mother dies during abortion too.
Morals are subjective, not objective. And they ARE relative to the person/group holding them.

“Reality is better than truth.”

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Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#312 Feb 8, 2013
Fetuses don't even have an opinion. What a moronic post.

Sometimes women die in childbirth. Childbirth must be immoral.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Then, Ocean56 believes the immorality of abortion is relative to the mother's opinion. I don't suppose the unborn baby's opinion matters.
Abortion is immoral because it kills. Sometimes the mother dies during abortion too.

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#313 Feb 8, 2013
Russia's demographic disaster, Last details, is being exasperated by the fact that abortions are outpacing live births in Russia. "Abortion is rampant, with 13 abortions performed for every 10 live births," writes Last. "Consider that for a moment: Russians are so despondent about the future that they have 30 percent more abortions than births."

Last says that "This might be the most grisly statistic the world has ever seen. It suggests a society that no longer has the will to live."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/13-aborti...

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Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#314 Feb 8, 2013
Russia's economy is far worse thn ours; many just cannot afford to bear children.

This could also be an example of a will so strong that they will do what must be done to survive lean times.
Brian_G wrote:
Russia's demographic disaster, Last details, is being exasperated by the fact that abortions are outpacing live births in Russia. "Abortion is rampant, with 13 abortions performed for every 10 live births," writes Last. "Consider that for a moment: Russians are so despondent about the future that they have 30 percent more abortions than births."
Last says that "This might be the most grisly statistic the world has ever seen. It suggests a society that no longer has the will to live."
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/13-aborti...

“Reality is better than truth.”

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Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#317 Feb 8, 2013
How does that negte what I said? Putin wants more kids around; he's not concerned about how the parents will be able to support them.

You think russian wmen all decided to stop having kids for no reason?
Husker Fan wrote:
<quoted text>Wow Petey, don't you do research before you post?
by AWR Hawkins 19 Dec 2012 41 post a comment
As a result of a falling birthrate that created a crisis in Russia, President Vladimir Putin's government is already paying women to have a second child and trying to establish a system of payments for mothers who have a third child.
In his Dec. 19th State-of-the-Union address, Putin praised the growth in population that has resulted from more mothers having two babies each. He said that in the first nine months of 2012 alone, Russia's population grew by 200,000.
He then added:
Demographers affirm that choosing to have second child is already a potential choice in favor of a third. It's important that families make that step... In order for Russia to be a strong and sovereign country there must be more of us and we must be better in morality, in our competences, our work, and our creativity.
Putin went on to speak of his plans to create to new jobs for the growing population -- especially jobs in "aircraft and shipbuilding." He then lauded the Russian military as the guarantor of Russia's "security and independence."

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

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Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#319 Feb 8, 2013
Husker Fan wrote:
<quoted text>Puten is paying women to have children. Because of all the abortions .
Because they made a choice for a better life for themselves? HOW DARE THEY???

What if women stopped having children because they simply refused in other words they refused men? Then what? Are you going to insist it is their duty and legitimize rape? The entire issue evolves around freedom, how limited would you like it to be for "women"? To "expect" is not respect. Women deserve the best, better figure out how to accommodate them as opposed to regulating them as incubators, and subjecting them to misogynistic beliefs.

“Reality is better than truth.”

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Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#320 Feb 8, 2013
He's creating jobs. Not nearly enough to pay for all the new mouths they will need to feed. What he is paying these women is a pittance compared to the years they ill need to raise the kid.

BTW--is there a difference between this and prostitution, except the government being one's pimp?
Husker Fan wrote:
<quoted text>Read the article, he is creating jobs and he is PAYING and HELPING the women .

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#321 Feb 9, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
Because they made a choice for a better life for themselves? HOW DARE THEY??? What if women stopped having children because they simply refused in other words they refused men? Then what? Are you going to insist it is their duty and legitimize rape? The entire issue evolves around freedom, how limited would you like it to be for "women"? To "expect" is not respect. Women deserve the best, better figure out how to accommodate them as opposed to regulating them as incubators, and subjecting them to misogynistic beliefs.
"To "expect" is not respect", I greatly respect people who exceed expectations. The abortion issue isn't about freedom, it's about murder of the innocent unborn.

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#322 Feb 9, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
How does that negte what I said? Putin wants more kids around; he's not concerned about how the parents will be able to support them. You think russian wmen all decided to stop having kids for no reason?
The left destroyed Russia; their population is in decline.

Abortion threatens America, as much as it threatens the rest of the world.
Ocean56

AOL

#323 Feb 9, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Then, Ocean56 believes the immorality of abortion is relative to the mother's opinion. I don't suppose the unborn baby's opinion matters.
Abortion is immoral because it kills. Sometimes the mother dies during abortion too.
You can say "abortion is immoral" all you want, it doesn't change anything. The ONLY person who decides whether or not to continue a pregnancy is the WOMAN who is pregnant. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision.
Ocean56

AOL

#324 Feb 9, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
"To "expect" is not respect", I greatly respect people who exceed expectations. The abortion issue isn't about freedom, it's about murder of the innocent unborn.
YOU don't get to decide what the abortion issue is about for me or anyone else but yourself. I think the abortion issue IS about freedom, the freedom of a woman to decide for HERSELF whether or not to continue a pregnancy.

Anti-choicers like you want to take that freedom of choice away from women by making abortion illegal. Sorry (not really), but we're not about to let that happen.

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#325 Feb 9, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
You can say "abortion is immoral" all you want, it doesn't change anything. The ONLY person who decides whether or not to continue a pregnancy is the WOMAN who is pregnant. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision.
By Ocean56's logic, either a woman who has an abortion is performing an immoral act and immorality has no meaning, it is relative. Men have a right to voice opinion on abortion because some would be fathers.

But abortion means the death of an innocent unborn by intent, murder. I prefer adoption.

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#326 Feb 9, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
YOU don't get to decide what the abortion issue is about for me or anyone else but yourself.
We get to voice our view of the abortion issue and everyone has the right to listen. Everyone is responsible, abortion isn't a woman's issue because every unborn innocent murdered by abortion deprives a father of a child.

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Ocean56 wrote:
I think the abortion issue IS about freedom, the freedom of a woman to decide for HERSELF whether or not to continue a pregnancy.
I think the abortion issue is about responsibility; accepting the fact every life has infinite value and doing everything to preserve life and deter death. This is where we differ.

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Ocean56 wrote:
Anti-choicers like you want to take that freedom of choice away from women by making abortion illegal. Sorry (not really), but we're not about to let that happen.
I've never advocated "tak[ing] that freedom of choice away from women by making abortion illegal", those are Ocean56's words, not mine. I only want to call it what it is, murder. I leave it to the legal eagles like Ocean56, to discuss changing law; that's not my thing.

Calling abortion a woman's issue is unfair to woman for overburden. Every pregnancy is the result of male/female intercourse, the responsibility isn't the female's alone. Everyone has a right to voice their view of morality; we live in a free society.
THE RELIC

El Monte, CA

#327 Feb 9, 2013
Types of Complications from Surgical Abortion Although rare, possible complications from a surgical abortion procedure include:

blood clots accumulating in the uterus, requiring another suctioning procedure,(less than 0.2% of cases); 9 infections, most of which are easily identified and treated if the woman carefully observes follow-up instructions,(0.1%-2.0% of North American cases); 9 a tear in the cervix, which may be repaired with stitches (0.6%-1.2% of cases); 10 perforation (a puncture or tear) of the wall of the uterus and/or other organs (less than 0.4% of cases). 5,9 This may heal itself or may require surgical repair or, rarely, hysterectomy; missed abortion, which does not end the pregnancy and requires the abortion to be repeated (less than 0.3% of cases); 9 incomplete abortion, in which tissue from the pregnancy remains in the uterus, and requires a repeat suction procedure,(0.3%-2.0% of cases); 9 excessive bleeding requiring a blood transfusion (0.02%-0.3% of cases). 5,10

Death occurs in 0.0006% of all legal surgical abortions (one in 160,000 cases). These rare deaths are usually the result of such things as adverse reactions to anesthesia, embolism, infection, or uncontrollable bleeding. 9 In comparison, a woman's risk of death during pregnancy and childbirth is ten times greater. 5

Possible complications of a medical abortion include:

failure of the medications to terminate the pregnancy (less than 2% of cases), requiring a suction procedure to complete the abortion; 11 incomplete expulsion of the products of conception, requiring a suction procedure to complete the abortion (occurs in less than 6% of cases); 12 excessive bleeding, requiring a suction procedure, and rarely, transfusion (less than 1% of cases); 11 uterine infection, requiring the use of antibiotics (0.09%-0.6% of cases) ; 11 death secondary to toxic shock following infection with Clostridium sordellii (has occurred in less than 0.001% of cases in the US and Canada). 6

Signs of a Post-Abortion Complication If a woman has any of the following symptoms after having either a surgical or medical abortion, she should immediately contact the facility that provided the abortion for follow-up care 13 :

severe or persistent pain; chills or fever with an oral temperature of 100.4 or more; bleeding that is twice the flow of her normal menstrual period or that soaks through more than one sanitary pad per hour for two hours in a row; malodorous discharge or drainage from her vagina; or continuing symptoms of pregnancy.
Ocean56

AOL

#328 Feb 9, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
By Ocean56's logic, either a woman who has an abortion is performing an immoral act and immorality has no meaning, it is relative. Men have a right to voice opinion on abortion because some would be fathers.
I never said men didn't have a right to voice an opinion on abortion. They -- and you -- can express that OPINION all they want. You just don't get to force women to live by your anti-choice opinions. Nor do you get to force women to stay pregnant and give birth against their will. Yes, I know that's tough for anti-choice guys to accept. Too bad.

Motherhood is still OPTIONAL, not required. That means a woman can reject motherhood for any reason including the most basic one; she DOESN'T want to be a mother.
Ocean56

AOL

#329 Feb 9, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
We get to voice our view of the abortion issue and everyone has the right to listen.
No one is disputing that. What you seem to have real issues with is the fact that people can REJECT the anti-choice views of abortion and EACH woman can decide for HERSELF whether or not to continue a pregnancy.

Bottom line; you can whine about abortion all you want. It still doesn't change the fact that NO woman has to stay pregnant, give birth, and be a mother unless she WANTS to do so.

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