The greatest boxers of all time
Tony yayo

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#227 Feb 27, 2013
Mosely and whitaker had it too, but pernell would get caught up making people miss too much and he was lackin power.

I don't like when they're quick and don't have power either because speed generates power.

Tells me they're not a natural street fighter
Miguel

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#228 Feb 27, 2013
Remember the boxers that dont have speed have the heaviest hand like Duran,Foreman,Toney,Morales just to name a few.
Tony yayo

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#229 Feb 27, 2013
But the one with the heaviest hand of all time was actually a quickster.

That would be none other than Tyson himself.

His speed is what made his power more devastating than someone like Foreman.

Toney was actually a quickster for most his reign until he got fat :D

He was about as quick as Mosley while at middleweight.

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#230 Feb 27, 2013
Tony yayo wrote:
But the one with the heaviest hand of all time was actually a quickster.
That would be none other than Tyson himself.
His speed is what made his power more devastating than someone like Foreman.
Toney was actually a quickster for most his reign until he got fat :D
He was about as quick as Mosley while at middleweight.
Amazing how Holyfield took those Tyson hooks and never hit the canvass isn't it? Cost him an ear though.

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#231 Feb 27, 2013
Tony yayo wrote:
But the one with the heaviest hand of all time was actually a quickster.
That would be none other than Tyson himself.
His speed is what made his power more devastating than someone like Foreman.
Toney was actually a quickster for most his reign until he got fat :D
He was about as quick as Mosley while at middleweight.
I have to agree here. I can't think of anyone who had the speed and power of Tyson.
Miguel

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#232 Feb 27, 2013
Tony yayo wrote:
But the one with the heaviest hand of all time was actually a quickster.
That would be none other than Tyson himself.
His speed is what made his power more devastating than someone like Foreman.
Toney was actually a quickster for most his reign until he got fat :D
He was about as quick as Mosley while at middleweight.
Actually Foreman n he was slow
Tony yayo

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#233 Feb 27, 2013
KPITRL wrote:
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I have to agree here. I can't think of anyone who had the speed and power of Tyson.
And on top of that he was a natural fighter....which meant he understood how to distribute the maximum amount of force at the point of impact....didn't matter if it was a short close blow or from regular distance.....he understood that and the mechanics.

He had more power than foreman by far....and I still don't think that boy ever hit someone with his absolute best shot. He had some good ones but if he would've stayed on the path before 88, we might've seen it.
Tony yayo

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#234 Feb 27, 2013
Foreman would just club people :)

Yeah he was strong as a bull and probably closest to Tyson....but Tyson's instincts, speed and own strength plus the majority of his force came from those fire hydrant legs.

No contest, man
Miguel

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#235 Feb 27, 2013
Tony yayo wrote:
Foreman would just club people :)
Yeah he was strong as a bull and probably closest to Tyson....but Tyson's instincts, speed and own strength plus the majority of his force came from those fire hydrant legs.
No contest, man
Tyson had throw 2 to 3 punches too hurt or ko while Forenan just one punch is needed.
Tony yayo

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#237 Feb 27, 2013
Tony yayo wrote:
Foreman would just club people :)
Yeah he was strong as a bull and probably closest to Tyson....but Tyson's instincts, speed and own strength plus the majority of his force came from those fire hydrant legs.
No contest, man
You're being ridiculous now. I only posted in here cause it was the only one that seemed to make sense
Tony yayo

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#238 Feb 27, 2013
lol...to Miguel

Speakin of Miguel....I used to work with one and he was the funniest mufugga I ever met :)
Tony yayo

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#239 Feb 27, 2013
Valerie Rae wrote:
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Thanks for making me feel welcome. My daddy was a huge boxing fan, that was his favorite sport. We saw every Ali fight there was. Back in the day, boxers like Ali were more compassionate when someone was down. They didn't need to beat each other half to death to prove how tough they were. Times have changed.
I stopped watching boxing many years ago when my first crush (Ali) retired. He was the only reason I was interested in the first place. It's funny the things you do for love. LOL!
You can't be that old. Hell, I was only able watch Ali at the tail end of his career and every fight was sort of a struggle. Well it looked like that to me at that age
Tony yayo

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#240 Feb 27, 2013
He had problems with Norton, Foreman, shavers....and then I didn't even watch when Spinx beat him or the rematch.

I do remember that last fight with Holmes and I swear he didn't throw 3 punches in that whole fight. Clearly something was wrong with him and I always wondered why they even let that fight take place. I'm sure that was the first signs of what he has now.

I never saw him at his best but I saw clips

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#241 Feb 27, 2013
Tony yayo wrote:
Foreman would just club people :)
Yeah he was strong as a bull and probably closest to Tyson....but Tyson's instincts, speed and own strength plus the majority of his force came from those fire hydrant legs.
No contest, man
I'd think twice about Tyson beating big George Foreman back in the day. George wasn't fast, but he wasn't all that slow either, not slow like you seen him when he came back.

Tyson could have been handled by a young Ali or a young Larry Holmes, or maybe even a young Foreman. That became clear after his lost to Buster Douglas. Douglas fought him the same way a young Holmes and a young Ali would have fought him. That was too tie him up and wear him down, and go for the TKO. With those skills, the size, the punching power, the heart, and a chin, there wasn't much Tyson could do with you after the 5 or 6 round. Holyfield used this same technique, and that's how he was able to stop Tyson, and he wasn't even as big as Tyson in that first fight. When they called that victory by Douglas a fluke, that was a disgrace. No Mike Tyson would have beat Buster Douglas on that night.

As far as matching him up against a young Foreman, who was knocking men in the air, you have to thank about it. Tyson had that bob and weave Frazier style, which was perfect for Foreman, as you saw what he did to Frazier twice, and you know what happens to Tyson once you hit him and stop him in his tracks. You didn't want to be in that position with Foreman, not even with an old George Foreman. And Foreman had an awesome uppercut too in his young day. He may have got staggered, he may have even went down, but as soon as he would have got up, he would have landed that club up side Tysons head a few times. And believe me, that power in Tysons punch and in his legs would have been cut in half.

Foreman had some skills back then, but they weren't nothing compared to Ali or Jimmy Young. But he was not the fighter you would stand in front of. Tyson never learned how to clinched when in a real fight. All I can say is, that would have been one interesting fight.

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#242 Feb 27, 2013
KPITRL wrote:
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I'd think twice about Tyson beating big George Foreman back in the day. George wasn't fast, but he wasn't all that slow either, not slow like you seen him when he came back.
Tyson could have been handled by a young Ali or a young Larry Holmes, or maybe even a young Foreman. That became clear after his lost to Buster Douglas. Douglas fought him the same way a young Holmes and a young Ali would have fought him. That was too tie him up and wear him down, and go for the TKO. With those skills, the size, the punching power, the heart, and a chin, there wasn't much Tyson could do with you after the 5 or 6 round. Holyfield used this same technique, and that's how he was able to stop Tyson, and he wasn't even as big as Tyson in that first fight. When they called that victory by Douglas a fluke, that was a disgrace. No Mike Tyson would have beat Buster Douglas on that night.
As far as matching him up against a young Foreman, who was knocking men in the air, you have to thank about it. Tyson had that bob and weave Frazier style, which was perfect for Foreman, as you saw what he did to Frazier twice, and you know what happens to Tyson once you hit him and stop him in his tracks. You didn't want to be in that position with Foreman, not even with an old George Foreman. And Foreman had an awesome uppercut too in his young day. He may have got staggered, he may have even went down, but as soon as he would have got up, he would have landed that club up side Tysons head a few times. And believe me, that power in Tysons punch and in his legs would have been cut in half.
Foreman had some skills back then, but they weren't nothing compared to Ali or Jimmy Young. But he was not the fighter you would stand in front of. Tyson never learned how to clinched when in a real fight. All I can say is, that would have been one interesting fight.
I disagree...tyson was not frazier. Joe frazier was 204 lbs. Foreman was 217 in their first fight. Tyson regularly came in about 220. So the size and strength difference foreman enjoyed over frazier, if foreman was fighting tyson, foreman woujld actually be at a size and strength disadvantage. Foreman would also be at a big speed disadvantage. You right...foreman wasn't that slow, but he wasn't nearly as quick and fast as tyson. and as you see in the lyle fight, if you could catch foreman, you could put him on the deck. Besides, tyson was accustomed to fighting guys that were bigger than him and bigger than foreman and who could punch harder than foreman if they hit you...guys like bonecrusher smith and frank bruno and razor ruddock...even trevor berbick was a huge guy.

the douglas fight was an anomaly for tyson...he just didn't train. that was tyson on his worst night. but you know what?...he STILL knocked douglas out. look at the fight again. Douglas doesn't get to his feet until 10 seconds have elapsed.

I don't really consider the fights after tyson came back from 4 years in jail...that tyson was already past his prime. He wasn't focused on boxing and he was rusty after years of inactivity..besides, holyfield headbutted him a lot in the first fight.

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#243 Feb 27, 2013
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<quoted text>Yeah that was latino vs latino. Hey dont forget sergio martinez vs paul williams
[email protected] williams...he beat that a88 in the first fight, though.

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#244 Feb 27, 2013
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AAs are generally taller, heavier, more muscular than their black African counterparts their Afro Latino counterparts.
that's due to nutrition...africans that are born and raised here in america are just as big and strong as aa people. second, there are no elite white fighters, so a black-north africa mix doesn't benefit black people in the slightest.

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#245 Feb 27, 2013
* a black north-european mix doesn't benefit black fighters in the slighest.

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#246 Feb 27, 2013
Tony yayo wrote:
The thing that's most ignored is the most important....reflexes and blinding speed that most other people can't reach.
That's usually the difference in any sport.
Others can be tall, heavy, muscular, cut and strong....but i've yet to see another with ray leonard, roy jones, mayweather type speed.
It's why Oscar, duran, tito and most others always had a problem regardless of their technique or chin...which most latino's DO have a good chin.
Matter fact I hate watchin em sometimes cause they don't know when to throw in the fuggen towel :)
the elite latin fighters have a good chin because they pride themselves on being able to take a lot of punishment.

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#247 Feb 27, 2013
Tony yayo wrote:
He had problems with Norton, Foreman, shavers....and then I didn't even watch when Spinx beat him or the rematch.
I do remember that last fight with Holmes and I swear he didn't throw 3 punches in that whole fight. Clearly something was wrong with him and I always wondered why they even let that fight take place. I'm sure that was the first signs of what he has now.
I never saw him at his best but I saw clips
i saw all three norton fights...ali clearly won the second. the third fight, he came on strong in the championship rounds and pulled it out. but people were expecting fireworks...they were expecting a KO and it was actually kind of a borinng fight with norton doing better than people expected. for some reason, norton's style gave him trouble just like it gave holmes trouble. but ali was brilliant against foreman. outboxed him and knocked him out. the guy who REAlly gave ali trouble was foreman...the first fight and the third fight especially.

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