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I believe you are correct aisling. Look what Bappie wrote:
"You want to single out women and the women's movement for equal rights while white men capitalized on sex and demeaning women to enrich their pockets..."
First of all, sONE wasn't singling out women, but look how she singles out (you guessed it) "white men."
Why? Because the Left has inculcated the idea that, in the words of Jonathan Bowden, "there's something uniquely oppressive about being male, that there's something uniquely oppressive about being a Caucasian."
This is the kind of thing we are up against. Fck 'em.
The kind of thing certain groups in the USA have been up against has indeed come from white males. You are in denial.

Those were white males gunning down women and children at Sand Creek and Wounded Knee.

Those were white males lynching black people in the South.

Those were white males in power resisting women's rights and civil rights for all.

This does not mean that all males or all white males are evil or oppressive by nature. They are not. Culture brings this about, not genes.

But for you rightists to cowardly pretend this country doesn't have a long history of unacceptable racism and sexism is only to prove that you are in denial and behaving traitorously.
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So true. This country seems like it's set up for two things now: big business, and big government. Yes, Dick Armey is a traitor, and he was a part of the Congressional Republican leadership. But why is he so pro Mexican immigration? Where did he get that ideological fervor? Was it from the corporations? Maybe. But it wasn't a result of opportunism, to play to corporations in order to get campaign money to stay in office. He behaved out of genuine conviction.
What about Habermas? Did the corporations get to him too? I don't think so. If you look at who this guy is and what he does it doesn't seem likely. He's not considered one of the leading intellectuals internationally because he let corporations influence him.
Obviously big corporations are a problem. But I think this kind of reductionism that blames corporations on anything and everything is a mistake, just as it is a mistake to blame anything or everything on "The Jews," or some theorized conspiracy or what have you. Things are very complex.
Bullshit. Here again the typical connedservative inability to turn on our corporate masters.

Who the hell buys the govt? Who's running things in the world? Feminists? Teachers Unions? Barney Frank? Rev. Wright? Bill Ayers? Jesse Jackson? Nancy Pelosi?

Open your eyes, fool.

The corporate logo is the Medieval heraldic shield. We are serfs.

Wake up.
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<quoted text>You missed the hell out of the sarcasm of his post. He was mocking attai who claims to be white, but everyone knows that he isn't. But I am sure you know that but it is different when a black decides to do it and pretends to be white. I mean it's ok for blacks to do anything or say anything just as long as a white doesn't try such a thing.
Choose you words carefully racist, and stay in your lane. No wonder black women are going to other races.
Democrats are stupid but Republicans are evil, dumbass.

Attai is white. That is very believable. Have you not ever dealt with European dilettante pseudo-radical “Leftists” before? They are often like this... obsequious asskissers. White guilt carried to the point of fetishism. There are some like this in the USA also but rarely as extreme as Attai.

He is a closet Muz. He's a white French boy who sucks a dozen black dicks a day and then goes to dinner with his parents and tells them about it. Look Maman, I'm a Muz!!!

He's a twit.

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<quoted text>Made it more difficult how, Sone? You have no idea what life was like back then for women. Your views are some crusty, old white man's views of the good old days. Women were in a subservient role and had little to no rights. Although women get higher grades in school, they were (and still are) paid less in the job force. The glass ceiling was true then as it is now. The excuse given was men had to support their families! What about widows and divorced mothers who needed to earn a living to care for their families? How about education. You know, what you accept so freely. It wasn't a given and if you did go to college it was to become a teacher or a nurse. You can buy a house now on your own but women couldn't back then because of credit.
Please don't talk about things you know nothing about and how dare you say it's worst for women now, without an explanation as to how your life has been made difficult.
I know the questions asked me in the early 70s about who would watch my kids when I went on a job interview cannot be asked now! I know that we won't find dead women in back alley's dead or messed up from back alley abortionist for desperate women. I know women can now choose when or if they want to have children. I know a woman no longer needs her husband's permission to get her tubes tied if her body is worn out from having babies and I know that finally some realize that some women have more brains in their tiny little fingers than a room full of arrogant and sexist men.
What is it about women like you that you want a foot on your back and your life to be controlled. Are you afraid? Do you lack self-confidence. Have you been coddled and spoiled so much you're afraid to use the gifts our creator gave you, namely a brain and the will to make your own life decisions?
I didn't even touch racial issues which I am sure you think could use some changes too. Damn, girl......
What a spirited and well written post. Sone has no clue had bad it was for women back then. She thinks everything was all happy and blissful for women until the turbulent era of 1960s feminism. I really think that conservative women have self hate towards themselves as women.

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Romney was not "my" candidate. Ron Paul was. I am a combination of conservitive/nationalist/Const itutionalist with a little libertarian thrown in. Ron Paul was closer to my beliefs- though not a perfect match. Most Republican candidates would not be my choice because of their globalist views- which also permeates the Democrat side too it appears.
You already stated views that you have that are in agreement with his, but where do you and Paul differ?

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It seems you are trying to label me in some kind of box because I do not call myself liberal.
Not because you don't label liberal, but because you blind yourself to truth. The fact that you romanticize the past is a great example.

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I don't come from a long line of rich people. Some of my people lost small farms during the Depression and lived in the dust bowl.
Some of my great-grandparents people were middle class to well off and some were poor.
I would say I'm conservative (basically) but don't hate on anyone- except for people who actually do hateful things.
I am not speaking for all women. I SAID that looking over the 1960s-1970s woman's movement I PERSONALLY think more bad came from it than good. I basically say the same about it being infiltrated and the work force becoming flooded with workers as a result and lowering wages and bringing down general moral boundries and taking women away from raising their children- as Barros Serrano does and to him you say, Ditto.
What moral boundaries? The right of the white male to oppress minorities and women? The right to deny women precious job opportunities? The way you make it sound, feminist put guns to women's heads and forced them to work

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What moral boundaries? The right of the white male to oppress minorities and women? The right to deny women precious job opportunities? The way you make it sound, feminist put guns to women's heads and forced them to work
EJ-- in what nations of the world do people have the highest standard of living-- period. I get weary of hearing that White men are horrors and the actual horrors perpetrated against women in many non-White nations is ignored. How do you think any of these laws were past when White men were the main lawmakers of the time? Either a significant segment of men were open to it for altruistic reasons/reasons of fairness- or a segment of men with ulterior motives were behind it- or a combination of both. Ultimately, White men had to be the ones to change the laws.

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What arrogance you have!
You think that the only way someone can possibly have critical thinking skills and an enriched mind is to believe the same ways that you do.
I come to my conclusions through reading and researching and through my own version of common sense, sense of right and wrong, fairness and intuition.
It is not that you don't think the ssame as we do but statements that you have made make it clear that you have not thoroughly examined your life and your beliefs. In fact, your ideals and faith are inherited from your parents. You are the type of person to settle for what you feel comfortable in, closing your eyes to the repercussions to others. You cannot see the contradictions of your ideals.
Here is my proof.
1-You are a Ron Paul supporter who believes in low taxes and small government, but you praise the 1950s, an era that had the highest taxes in this country's history.
2-You talk about how good America was before the evil 60s, but ignore the troubles faced by minorities and women.
3-You bash feminists while taking advantage of the opportunities they gained for you.
4-You talk about the morals of the era before the 1960s, but you have admitted listening to Eminem, someone who would be considered immoral in the era before that time and still is today.
5-You say you support women's rights, but you hold as holy a book that decrees the submission of women to men.

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Not because you don't label liberal, but because you blind yourself to truth. The fact that you romanticize the past is a great example.
I never said stricter laws against women being discriminated against in education and jobs wasn't needed-- I mean the whole mind game stuff and the eventual and MAIN outcome which has been:

To take women out of the home and flood the workforce- away from raising their children- in order TO HAVE TO WORK in mostly menial jobs- when one salary used to be enough for a family.

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Statistics from dating sites and marriage records show that they prefer to date ir less often than most others and percentage wise are among those who marry out of their race the least.
Stats show that bw are the least likely to want to date out, followed by ww. The reason why their is a higher percentage of bw ir than ww is because there are much more wp in general than bp.

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<quoted text> It is not that you don't think the ssame as we do but statements that you have made make it clear that you have not thoroughly examined your life and your beliefs. In fact, your ideals and faith are inherited from your parents. You are the type of person to settle for what you feel comfortable in, closing your eyes to the repercussions to others. You cannot see the contradictions of your ideals.
Here is my proof.
1-You are a Ron Paul supporter who believes in low taxes and small government, but you praise the 1950s, an era that had the highest taxes in this country's history.
2-You talk about how good America was before the evil 60s, but ignore the troubles faced by minorities and women.
3-You bash feminists while taking advantage of the opportunities they gained for you.
4-You talk about the morals of the era before the 1960s, but you have admitted listening to Eminem, someone who would be considered immoral in the era before that time and still is today.
5-You say you support women's rights, but you hold as holy a book that decrees the submission of women to men.
1. I talk about general values and family structure- not economy.

2. & 3. I never said some changes were not needed- I said that the 1880s-1920s- wound up being a total net gain for women- but in THE REALITY OF THE WAY IT TURNED OUT- the 1960s movement turned out to be a net loss FOR MORE WOMEN AND FOR CHILDREN in numerous aspects than a net gain.

4. Eminem???

5. No, as I said in another post to you on another thread- the Bible says for a man to love his wife as Christ loved the Church- that is the greatest possible love.

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Barros Serrano wrote:
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More plausibly, it is Reaganomics which meaningfully correlates with increased gang activity. With the upward mobility which was achieved by liberals for minorities, chiefly by simply removing the obstacles of Jim Crow and other discrimination, things were going fine in the 70's. Reagan put a stop to it, the inner city suddenly had no outlet, there was now little opportunity for upward mobility, though the liberal policies in place from Eisenhower-JFK-LBJ on had enabled much progress.
With progress halted by the racist reprobate Reagan, the inner city found its educated and professional members had moved out, and progress for the rest was stymied. Gangs became the best alternative.
All manner of social dysfunction in the USA can be seen to have increased markedly following the implementation of the misguided “Reaganomics” policies. And Reagan wasn't a racist? He opened his 1980 Presidential campaign in Philadephia, Mississippi, and his first words were,“I believe in states' rights.” We all know what that means in Mississippi.
Not to mention that Reagan pumped drugs into minority communities to fund his death squads, but mentioning something like that to conservatives like Aisling will get you labeled a traitor to the country.

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The reason why their is a higher percentage of bw ir than ww is because there are much more wp in general than bp.
This does not make sense to me, but talking about percentages and per capita never goes well on here, so never mind.

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EJ-- in what nations of the world do people have the highest standard of living-- period. I get weary of hearing that White men are horrors and the actual horrors perpetrated against women in many non-White nations is ignored. How do you think any of these laws were past when White men were the main lawmakers of the time? Either a significant segment of men were open to it for altruistic reasons/reasons of fairness- or a segment of men with ulterior motives were behind it- or a combination of both. Ultimately, White men had to be the ones to change the laws.
Your response has nothing to do with my post. My post was a response to your statement that the you felt that the feminist movement of the 1960s did more harm then good because it brought down the "Moral boundaries" of the previous era and because it took women away from the home. I responded by asking "what moral boundaries" then I went on to list the moral failings of the past that you ignored when you made that post.
Never did I say that wm treat women worse than any other race of men, I don't know how you could infer that. My thesis was that throughout history, all races of men have hurt men. In fact your response brings out what I am trying to say. Most third world counttries have never had a feminist movement to the extent that we had in the 1970s and they need to.

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To take women out of the home and flood the workforce- away from raising their children- in order TO HAVE TO WORK in mostly menial jobs- when one salary used to be enough for a family.
This is what I mean when I say that you make it seem as if feminists put guns to women's heads and forced them to work. No one took women out of their homes, women choose of their own free will or because they needed too.
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Corporations---govt---$$$$$$

This is so obvious, but enough media obfuscation and brainwash and people bitch about those in power and think corporations aren't part of that, and in fact controlling it.

When the former CEO of Halliburton is Dubya's VP... and then Halliburton is in Iraq ripping off taxpayers who pay in borrowed money from China... well must I go through the whole tangle?

CORPORATE power is the enemy of the people.

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sONE wrote:
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1. I talk about general values and family structure- not economy.
A family structure that stigmatized people of different orientations, like myself. Gay people like me would have been arrested and jailed on your taxpayer dime just for the crime of making love.
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2. & 3. I never said some changes were not needed- I said that the 1880s-1920s- wound up being a total net gain for women- but in THE REALITY OF THE WAY IT TURNED OUT- the 1960s movement turned out to be a net loss FOR MORE WOMEN AND FOR CHILDREN in numerous aspects than a net gain.
A net loss? More women in college. More women in higher positions in business, politics, law than ever. Women are no longer being jailed for having contraceptives or for having abortions.
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<quoted text>4. Eminem???
You admitted that you liked Eminem's music. Could you imagine a record of his being played in the highly moralistic 50s.
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5. No, as I said in another post to you on another thread- the Bible says for a man to love his wife as Christ loved the Church- that is the greatest possible love.
It also demands that a wife be submissive to her husband, that she be silent in church and only ask questions to her husband, that she get her husband's approval to dispose of her property. It also says that an adulterous wife should be stoned.

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This does not make sense to me, but talking about percentages and per capita never goes well on here, so never mind.
You have 200 million whites in this contry and about 40 million blacks. You have about 50 million white marriages, 4 million black marriages and about 500,000 white/black marriages. The 500k ir marriages represents a bigger percentage of the 40 million blacks than the 200 mil whites because the pie is much bigger. The bigger the pie, the smaller the impact. If 40 million whites married 40 million blacks, it would mean that 100% of blacks are engaged in ir marriages while only 1/5 of whites are.

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This is what I mean when I say that you make it seem as if feminists put guns to women's heads and forced them to work. No one took women out of their homes, women choose of their own free will or because they needed too.
It was propaganda of the time-- just like we have propaganda of various kinds now.

I used to think that it was bs that most people's minds were so weak as to be changed or have their minds shaped by propaganda of an ultimate or immediate negative nature. I have been shocked as I come o the realizaton that most are very susceptible to it.

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