Riot at MN High School
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#881 Feb 26, 2013
sONE wrote:
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So, why, when Barros Serrano says the same things about the 1960s-70s woman's movement do you say "ditto" and then tell me I am all wrong, clueless and speaking wrongly on behalf of "all women".
You're thinking simplistically. I said there were 2 sides of the feminist movement, as of all movements. One was the legitimate organic rising up of people demanding their rights. The other was the govt's manipulation of movements.

The govt created the false image of the BPP as “violent” and “threatening to white people”. The reality was something else. There are 2 images. I choose to believe the REAL one, rather than the propaganda lie.

Feminism is the same thing. The twisted women's rights into: yes, be equal and equally oppressed, still worship the boss, get piercings (we'll allow that now, unlike in the 60's) and be an “individual” but within the constraints of the capitalist social relations of production (Marxist term). Then they used it to shove all the housewives into the workplace. Oh look, your rent just went up, your wages are stagnant, your Union is virtually dead, and we're raising prices on everything. You get out there and work your asses off, now, America, because we're number one...

Meanwhile their kids run loose, and the system tells women, and this was my point, some dysfunctional corporate-serving crap about what makes them “free”(willingly leap into the same old objectification represented in my comment as “pole dancing”).

Women should NOT be discriminated against in employment and education, as they were through the 60's. Nor should they be subject to sexist ignorance and malfeasance by the medical field and in the legal system, which they were. A woman's rapist would get off because the jury leered at her as the defense attorney sneers,“And just how much SKIN were you showing with THAT outfit on??? Hmmmm....”

You have to learn to sort out the REAL peoples' resistance from the system's manipulation of it. They manipulated EVERYTHING.

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#882 Feb 26, 2013
bappie wrote:
We<quoted text>The ditto is not about some damn pole dancing Sone! If you can't see that, it's obvious you haven't been paying attention! It's not my fault you can't follow what Barros and I were agreeing on which proves our point that when you made comments about the femminst movement, you didn't know what you were talking about.
IF you had reading comprehension regading my posts you would see that I write---

1. imo the movement was hijacked by other organizations for different purposes under the GUISE of betterment for women.

2. Results of the above was- pouring more wome into the workplace- mostly doing menial jobs and brining down wages in general.

3. Making what used to seem immoral by society's standards part of the mainstream and seeming to be a part of empowerment and the norm.

^^^Barros agreed with this and you agreed with Barros.

Later, when I have time I will go back post by post and piece it together for you since you are the one with the comprehension problem apparently.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#883 Feb 26, 2013
a blackboi wrote:
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Miss,
It is because the Negro bappie is incoherent, she has taken to the bottle again, after a brave and trying three months of trying to give up drink and drugs, we Negroes simple-minded and weak-willed, things like drugs and drink are very hard for us to break the habit of.
If she stops posting soon, it is because she is returning to the clinic.
a black boi
take a hike.
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we KNOW that you are a troll posing as a Black person. seen your previous posts on other threads here. since you try to cut down any person that has a sense of pride in their self.

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#884 Feb 26, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
You're thinking simplistically. I said there were 2 sides of the feminist movement, as of all movements. One was the legitimate organic rising up of people demanding their rights. The other was the govt's manipulation of movements.
The govt created the false image of the BPP as “violent” and “threatening to white people”. The reality was something else. There are 2 images. I choose to believe the REAL one, rather than the propaganda lie.
Feminism is the same thing. The twisted women's rights into: yes, be equal and equally oppressed, still worship the boss, get piercings (we'll allow that now, unlike in the 60's) and be an “individual” but within the constraints of the capitalist social relations of production (Marxist term). Then they used it to shove all the housewives into the workplace. Oh look, your rent just went up, your wages are stagnant, your Union is virtually dead, and we're raising prices on everything. You get out there and work your asses off, now, America, because we're number one...
Meanwhile their kids run loose, and the system tells women, and this was my point, some dysfunctional corporate-serving crap about what makes them “free”(willingly leap into the same old objectification represented in my comment as “pole dancing”).
Women should NOT be discriminated against in employment and education, as they were through the 60's. Nor should they be subject to sexist ignorance and malfeasance by the medical field and in the legal system, which they were. A woman's rapist would get off because the jury leered at her as the defense attorney sneers,“And just how much SKIN were you showing with THAT outfit on??? Hmmmm....”
You have to learn to sort out the REAL peoples' resistance from the system's manipulation of it. They manipulated EVERYTHING.
This is what I have said- the manipulation of it turned it into something very bad for women and society in general over all- with few benefitting and many just manipulated and not benefitting. That's why I say the first wave of feminism was good in my opinion and the second wave turned out mostly bad.

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#885 Feb 26, 2013
a blackboi wrote:
<quoted text>
Miss,
It is because the Negro bappie is incoherent, she has taken to the bottle again, after a brave and trying three months of trying to give up drink and drugs, we Negroes simple-minded and weak-willed, things like drugs and drink are very hard for us to break the habit of.
If she stops posting soon, it is because she is returning to the clinic.
a black boi
People like you who can't add anything to a discussion substitute insults and slurs about people. So besides being a cowardly dixhead, what's your malfunction, racist troll? White trash, such as yourself, think you're coming to the rescue of the fair-headed damsel, but let me remind you that you're no Rhett Butler and she damn sure ain't Scarlett.

Choose your fights carefully, white trash.....and stay in your lane. No wonder white women are choosing men of other races.
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Since: May 08

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#886 Feb 26, 2013
sONE wrote:
<quoted text>
IF you had reading comprehension regading my posts you would see that I write---
1. imo the movement was hijacked by other organizations for different purposes under the GUISE of betterment for women.
2. Results of the above was- pouring more wome into the workplace- mostly doing menial jobs and brining down wages in general.
3. Making what used to seem immoral by society's standards part of the mainstream and seeming to be a part of empowerment and the norm.
^^^Barros agreed with this and you agreed with Barros.
Later, when I have time I will go back post by post and piece it together for you since you are the one with the comprehension problem apparently.
I don't have reading comprehension problems. Each post you wrote, I replied directly to that post. I didn't wander all over the place, changing the subject and getting my feelings hurt.

I still disagree with all of the above and I still state emphatically that you don't know what the hell you're talking about, and since you want to get nasty and you know I don't play, see if you can comprehend this post. If you still remain confused, that's your problem, not mine!

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#887 Feb 26, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
You're thinking simplistically. I said there were 2 sides of the feminist movement, as of all movements. One was the legitimate organic rising up of people demanding their rights. The other was the govt's manipulation of movements.
The govt created the false image of the BPP as “violent” and “threatening to white people”. The reality was something else. There are 2 images. I choose to believe the REAL one, rather than the propaganda lie.
Feminism is the same thing. The twisted women's rights into: yes, be equal and equally oppressed, still worship the boss, get piercings (we'll allow that now, unlike in the 60's) and be an “individual” but within the constraints of the capitalist social relations of production (Marxist term). Then they used it to shove all the housewives into the workplace. Oh look, your rent just went up, your wages are stagnant, your Union is virtually dead, and we're raising prices on everything. You get out there and work your asses off, now, America, because we're number one...
Meanwhile their kids run loose, and the system tells women, and this was my point, some dysfunctional corporate-serving crap about what makes them “free”(willingly leap into the same old objectification represented in my comment as “pole dancing”).
Women should NOT be discriminated against in employment and education, as they were through the 60's. Nor should they be subject to sexist ignorance and malfeasance by the medical field and in the legal system, which they were. A woman's rapist would get off because the jury leered at her as the defense attorney sneers,“And just how much SKIN were you showing with THAT outfit on??? Hmmmm....”
You have to learn to sort out the REAL peoples' resistance from the system's manipulation of it. They manipulated EVERYTHING.
like in this video
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that attitude wasnt stopped in the 70s.
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.I still have memories of one dude when I worked in the factory. he claimed that wiring the beer signs was too dangerous for a mere female to do.
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refused to let me do what I normally did in that factory. stuck me on a job that a child could have done easily. I worked at that factory from March 1981 to Dec 2000. and the job that I normally did at that place was normally simple. attach wirecaps to the correct sets of wires to make sure there was a current going thru when they were plugged in.
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no matter how many times our plant supervisor told that guy to put the gals in various jobs we were capable of doing. that line leader refused on the basis that he didn't think we gals could handle the stress of working such a 'dangerous' spot on the line.

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#888 Feb 26, 2013
bappie wrote:
<quoted text>I don't have reading comprehension problems. Each post you wrote, I replied directly to that post. I didn't wander all over the place, changing the subject and getting my feelings hurt.
I still disagree with all of the above and I still state emphatically that you don't know what the hell you're talking about, and since you want to get nasty and you know I don't play, see if you can comprehend this post. If you still remain confused, that's your problem, not mine!
If you think this is "nasty" you have no idea.

I simply asked why you disagreed with what I said with such a vengence when you were agreeing with Barros (the "White man") who said the same thing. That was what confused me and what you never explained, but whatever.

It is not possible for you to hurt my feelings.

Since: Feb 09

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#889 Feb 26, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text> No wonder white women are choosing men of other races.
misinformation.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#890 Feb 26, 2013
also gender discrimination can go both ways.
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another place I worked for. they were in many ways feminazis. they would cut men down. they expected the men whose gf/wife worked there. to be submissive in all ways.
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one of my coworkers in that was my husband's first wife. she was told several times that he was supposed to come crawling to her in a apology. and if she walked out. that he would do that to get her back. well the last time she did that(3rd time). he refused to take her back. they divorced.
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and I had a time trying to heal the emotional abuse he got at her hands. she would NOT introduce him as her husband to folks she met. but instead as her 'love slave' to them. I could go on for a long time for what damages she did to their marriage and to him. but I won't would take several continous postings.
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before you cut me down and tell me that I didn't see or hear alot. they lived here for several years(her idea to get a cheaper rent) before she walked out for the last time.
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they got rid of me due partially due to the fact I would not cut down men like they expected me to. especially males that had earned my respect for them.
aisling-

Port Clinton, OH

#891 Feb 26, 2013
What can't be stressed enough is that with everything there are unintended consequences and one consequence being the war between men and women that transpired and that is still being felt today. The ones who have been negatively impacted the most are children. Things may not have been perfect but if we look at society today, one can't help to see what the root cause is. So even thought things may not have been perfect, there being some good coming out of the feminist movement, but the impact that it has had on society as a whole, leaves much to be desired. So the question is, did the feminist movement do more harm than good and judging from the problems that are plaguing society, they can easily be traced back to the family unit's dynamics that changed as a result of the feminist movement.

Since: Feb 09

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#892 Feb 26, 2013
Walter Henrickson wrote:
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A passage from the book I'm reading now (Paul Gottfried)[emphasis mine]:
"In a nation such as Germany,[Jürgen] Habermas explains, whose entire political culture has been authoritarian, it is foolish to try to defend democracy merely be setting up rules. Basic to this task is the radical refounding of the German people as a democratic-constitutional citizenry. One can achieve this end, according to Habermas, only by viewing the entire predemocratic history of Germany as a prelude to Nazism. Habermas FAVORS INCREASED IMMIGRATION INTO THE FEDERAL REPLUBLIC TO OVERCOME ITS ASSOCIATION WITH A DISCREDITED GERMAN PAST. Since he believes that GERMAN IDENTITY SHOULD REST ENTIRELY ON A POSTWAR CIVIC PATRIOTISM, THERE IS NO REASON THAT IT MUST BE SPECIFICALLY GERMAN, EXCEPT LINGUISTIC CONVENIENCE.
Habermas wishes to expiate German sins by OBLITERATING A DISTINCTIVE GERMAN IDENTITY, but self proclaimed American nationalists advocate for their own country what Habermas intends to be a German atonement. They too wish to live in a 'universal nation' with open borders and a changing cultural character. Wall Street Journal columnist Ben Wattenberg and Congressman Richard Armey hold these patriotic positions, which most Europeans would reject for their own lands as an invitation to national suicide."
This Habermas (may he die a slow and painful death) is associated with the Frankfurt School, and he sounds just like the earlier founders. And according to Wikipedia, "Global polls identified him as one of the leading intellectuals of the present day."
The book goes into how some of these people you have never heard of had enormous influences on FDR, Woodrow Wilson, and Teddy Roosevelt (especially Wilson).
He also mentioned Dick Armey, someone I'm sure you are at least somewhat familiar with. The book was published in 1999. He had mentioned this Armey earlier. He says:
"The elites' understanding of democracy is based on globalist and managerial premises that most people do not accept wholeheartedly. Its adherents in government embrace that ideology out of genuine conviction. They insist on agreement even with aspects of their worldview that are least likely to resonate among the American people. When conservative Republican Congressman Dick Armey lectures his Texas constituents on the need for even higher levels of immigration from Mexico, it is not opportunism but ideological fervor that explains his behavior."
As I told you earlier, I had to look up Dick Armey. Just another traitor- along the lines of John McCain and so many. As I say- so many Republicans are also complicit in this globalism/massive immigration/demographic change nightmare. There many be difference in the group of PEOPLE calling themselves Repulican vs. those who call themselves Democrat- but the politicians essentially give lip service to their "base" and co-operate with the same horrific goals. I think to understand this is essential in getting away from the nightmare- but most people do not believe it/won't accept it.

It's frustrating/depressing and so hard to fathom such mindsets- but thanks for the passage and info. I am going to read that book.

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#893 Feb 26, 2013
^^^There MAY not there many

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#894 Feb 26, 2013
sONE wrote:
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misinformation.
Really, Ms. Know it all? Now you're speaking for all white women because?????? Puleeze!
aisling-

Port Clinton, OH

#895 Feb 26, 2013
Might I add, what the feminist movement gave birth to was a generation of "latch key kids". You take the Mother out of the picture as was the case when women hit the work force like never before and it's going to directly impact the children involved. In many respects what was lost as a result of the feminist movement was the security and importance in having a two parent family unit that changed as a result of divorce rates that rose during or was a result of the feminist movement.

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#896 Feb 26, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>Really, Ms. Know it all? Now you're speaking for all white women because?????? Puleeze!
Statistics from dating sites and marriage records show that they prefer to date ir less often than most others and percentage wise are among those who marry out of their race the least.

“sly as a fox”

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Since: Mar 11

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#897 Feb 26, 2013
a blackboi wrote:
<quoted text>
Miss,
It is because the Negro bappie is incoherent, she has taken to the bottle again, after a brave and trying three months of trying to give up drink and drugs, we Negroes simple-minded and weak-willed, things like drugs and drink are very hard for us to break the habit of.
If she stops posting soon, it is because she is returning to the clinic.
a black boi
you are doing a terrible job of imitating a human alone a black person-black boi-LMAO? The only part of your post that I believe is the part where you say your addicted to drugs and alcohol.

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#898 Feb 26, 2013
sONE wrote:
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Statistics from dating sites and marriage records show that they prefer to date ir less often than most others and percentage wise are among those who marry out of their race the least.
What statistics might that be, Missy?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/inte...

I am sure NOW you'll go get some links to prove your point. It matters not to me if you want to hook up with the pwt racists defending you. I think you both deserve each other. However, make no mistake if I am going to go along with your smugness. Just so we're clear. As if I was supposed to take your word for it? I think NOT!
aisling-

Port Clinton, OH

#899 Feb 26, 2013
Speaking of "latch key kids", I remember well when the Columbine shootings took place and it just so happened that I was in a store that I went to on a regular basis and I wound up speaking with one of the clerks who was very young. Columbine came up in that everyone was talking about it and the clerk was upset by it. She stating to me that the problem is that kids are raising each other. Essentially that they are parenting each other. Not to mention that prior to the feminist movement, gang involvement was almost unheard of on the level that we are seeing today. So one might say that due to the family unit being impacted, the result has been that gangs, peer groups, etc have replaced what used to be a stable family unit. Not to mention that teachers and those in Law Enforcement are having to pick up the slack. Their job isn't to parent but someone has to. And now it very well could be said that we've only just begun to see is going from bad to worse.

As well, speaking of Murphy Brown being applauded by the feminists, we now have MTV airing teen unwed Mothers that serve as role models for an upcoming generation of children. Murphy Brown was a rich, well connected woman and not they typical unwed Mother. She was no one to emulate or to serve as any role model regardless of how the feminists portrayed her to be. She was the exception and not the rule in that Hollywood's version is not the real world.
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#900 Feb 26, 2013
aisling- wrote:
Speaking of "latch key kids", I remember well when the Columbine shootings took place and it just so happened that I was in a store that I went to on a regular basis and I wound up speaking with one of the clerks who was very young. Columbine came up in that everyone was talking about it and the clerk was upset by it. She stating to me that the problem is that kids are raising each other. Essentially that they are parenting each other. Not to mention that prior to the feminist movement, gang involvement was almost unheard of on the level that we are seeing today. So one might say that due to the family unit being impacted, the result has been that gangs, peer groups, etc have replaced what used to be a stable family unit. Not to mention that teachers and those in Law Enforcement are having to pick up the slack. Their job isn't to parent but someone has to. And now it very well could be said that we've only just begun to see is going from bad to worse.
As well, speaking of Murphy Brown being applauded by the feminists, we now have MTV airing teen unwed Mothers that serve as role models for an upcoming generation of children. Murphy Brown was a rich, well connected woman and not they typical unwed Mother. She was no one to emulate or to serve as any role model regardless of how the feminists portrayed her to be. She was the exception and not the rule in that Hollywood's version is not the real world.
More plausibly, it is Reaganomics which meaningfully correlates with increased gang activity. With the upward mobility which was achieved by liberals for minorities, chiefly by simply removing the obstacles of Jim Crow and other discrimination, things were going fine in the 70's. Reagan put a stop to it, the inner city suddenly had no outlet, there was now little opportunity for upward mobility, though the liberal policies in place from Eisenhower-JFK-LBJ on had enabled much progress.

With progress halted by the racist reprobate Reagan, the inner city found its educated and professional members had moved out, and progress for the rest was stymied. Gangs became the best alternative.

All manner of social dysfunction in the USA can be seen to have increased markedly following the implementation of the misguided “Reaganomics” policies. And Reagan wasn't a racist? He opened his 1980 Presidential campaign in Philadephia, Mississippi, and his first words were,“I believe in states' rights.” We all know what that means in Mississippi.

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