African AE

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#1355 Jun 20, 2013
Anyway Keita says ancient Egyptians show a range of similarities to other African populations,Near Easterners and Europeans. Ancient Egyptians are todays modern Egyptians ancestors!

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#1356 Jun 20, 2013
African AE wrote:
Another scientific paper by SOY Keita saying the ancient Egyptians were mixed race and are related to todays Egyptians!
www.ngm.nationalgeographic.com/geopedia/Ancie...
Yes there is plenty of evidence. I especially await the posting of predynastic evidence for Lower Egypt. Afronazis seem to think that is proven, that they have some way to claim that, but they are being exposed as running on pure ideology with no facts. This is why they are stalled and unable to proceed.

More evidence will be dropped on them and let's watch the squirm!
trollslayer

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#1357 Jun 20, 2013
big mike M wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO!!!@ your desperations WHERE IN THE QUOTE DOES IT STATE LOWER EGYPTIANS ARE NOT IDENTICAL TO UPPER EGYPTIANS??? Please point out it in the quote where it states that...It states they are DIFFERENT FROM LEVANTINES. LMAO @ your desperation again.
Yeah I shot myself in the foot.
Again where are those sources+quotes boy?
Getting scared?
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the part about a cline along the Nile Valley, dumdum.
I am still awaiting you to provide any evidence that Lower Egypt had no Eurasian component in predynastic times. You have failed to do that, Afronazi liar.
We will wait until the cows come home, and you will prove nothing, as always.
Yes, you're nothing but an Afronazi with a racist ideology and no regard for truth. Piss off, boy.
"Again where are those sources+quotes boy?
Getting scared? "

__________

He's asking for LINKED DATA. Educated PPL. provide sources. Trolls
use labels / CLOAKS like "Afronazi" to AVOID LINKED DATA
Almoravid

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#1358 Jun 21, 2013
The African Queen wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol. White people are retarded. What's next, your going to say rock n too was invented by white people too? White people weren't even in the radar back than when civilization was being built in ancient times. Civilization began in Africa. White people... Know your history. There are ancient drawings and sculptures of black egyptians. I mean dark skinned black Egyptians. If anything, Egyptians now are mixed with Arabic blood due to an increase in travel and trading from merchant ships. In ancient Egypt, Egyptians were pure black. Even now, Egyptians are still black with alittle bit of admixture. I know my African history, hence I am African. Don't let these white fools try to tell you guys about YOUR history. You know more about THEIR history than they THINK they know of yours. I can't believe someone said on here that ancient Egyptians came from Eurasia. If that's the case that means that their completely white. Which doesn't make sense because I studied ancient Egyptian culture as well as other ancient cultures and based on the combination of early Egyptian drawings, sculptures, and belief system they were definitely black. Having a polytheistic belief system/ religion was common in Africa as a whole. Monotheism first originated in Persia. White people stop trying to steal other peoples culture because you know that you don't have one. I know your angry that your ancestors were cave people. But stating that ancient Egyptians were white would be a disgrace to African Egyptian kings and queens of the past. Do your research. This is the first time I'm hearing this because Africa in general is black. Ask a Somali or an Ethopian if their ancestors were 100% black or white. Dumb f@*s
Egyptians Weren't Black?

Orangeyaexotic, and Egyptian girl speaks.



Egyptians, Ethiopians, Somali are African

Orangeyaexotic, speaks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Almoravid

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#1359 Jun 21, 2013
African AE wrote:
There were also Mechtoid people who lived in ancient Egypt! The Mechtoids were a mix of East African and Eurasian people. They were eventually bred out. So ancient Egypt was always mixed race!
LOL @ this uneducated retarded Internet troll.

WHAT BONES CAN TELL: BIOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVES ON THE HUNTER-GATHERERS OF THE MAGHREB:

Quote:
The extremely large skeletal samples that come from sites such as Taforalt (Fig. 8.13) and Afalou constitute an invaluable resource for understanding the makers of Iberomaurusian artifacts, and their number is unparalleled elsewhere in Africa for the early Holocene.->>>Frequent ly termed Mechta-Afalou or Mechtoid, these were a skeletally robust people and definitely African in origin<<<-, though attempts, such as those of Ferembach (1985), to establish similarities with much older and rarer Aterian skeletal remains are tenuous given the immense temporal separation between the two (Close and Wendorf 1990). At the opposite end of the chronological spectrum, dental morphology does suggest connections with later Africans, including those responsible for the Capsian Industry (Irish 2000) and early mid-Holocene human remains from the western half of the Sahara (Dutour 1989), something that points to the Maghreb as one of the regions from which people recolonised the desert (MacDonald 1998).

--Lawrence Barham
The First Africans: African Archaeology from the Earliest Toolmakers to Most Recent Foragers (Cambridge World Archaeology)

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Phase 3 humans have more gracile skeletons and shorter stature for both males and females. They are buried most commonly in semi-flexed postures on either left or right sides (Figure 5D, E). Their crania are long, high and narrow, and their faces are taller with considerable alveolar prognathism (Figure 5C). Principal components analysis of craniometric data clearly distinguishes the mid-Holocene population at Gobero (Gob-m) from all other sampled populations, including the early Holocene population at Gobero, Iberomaurusian and Capsian populations from the Maghreb,“Mechtoids” from Mali and Mauritania, as well as much older Aterian samples (Figure 6). The morphological isolation of the mid-Holocene population from Gobero is particularly noteworthy, as several of the other populations sampled (WMC, Mali, Maur) are believed to be mid-Holocene contemporaries.

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Craniometric data from seven human groups (Tables 3, 4) were subjected to principal components analysis, which allies the early Holocene population at Gobero (Gob-e) with mid-Holocene “Mechtoids” from Mali and Mauritania [18],[26],[27] and with Late Pleistocene Iberomaurusians and early Holocene Capsians from across the Maghreb

http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...
Figure 6. Principal components analysis of craniofacial dimensions among Late Pleistocene to mid-Holocene populations from the Maghreb and southern Sahara.

--Paul C. Sereno
Lakeside Cemeteries in the Sahara: 5000 Years of Holocene Population and Environmental Change
Almoravid

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#1360 Jun 21, 2013
The African Queen wrote:
<quoted text>
What the fuckl are you talking about. There is no point in you arguing. Ancient Egyptians were black. You arguing otherwise is baseless.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...
Egyptians now are still black, even you agreed, but with alittle bit of admixture, just like Somalia and Ethiopia. So what are you trying to get at. If their BLACK NOW, than that means that they were 100% BLACK BEFORE. So your point is.......
For this same reason, modern Egyptians call folks like; Barros Muktaba.

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#1361 Jun 21, 2013
Again Barros wheres your sources+quotes that back up what you're saying????

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#1362 Jun 21, 2013
Elmiboy wrote:
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You should look up Nabta playa by Robert bauval.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =wQktnlypXcwXX
The youtube summary: "Robert Bauval presents evidence that an advanced black African civilization inhabited the Sahara long before Pharaonic Egypt, and reveals black Africa to be at the genesis of ancient civilization and the human story.
The mysterious Nabta Playa ceremonial area and its stone calendar circle and megaliths, and put forward the solid hypothesis that an advanced civilization of black Africans settled in the Sahara long before Pharaonic Egypt existed."
Anyways, good job Big Mike! Keep fighting for Africa.
Europeans in general are unable to deny the truth any longer with all the fact being unmasked. In fact France and Belgium made a movie featuring ancient Egypt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
As you can see the inhabitants have dark skin but they still incorporated blue eyes. It's as if they can't fully accept the truth despite the irrefutable evidence.
And obviously there were various other kingdoms in Africa to.
- kingdom of askum
-kingdom of kush
- Songhai empire
I could keep on going honestly but I'm pretty sure you get the point. Africa should be synonymous to civilization but westerners have distorted the image of Africa and we as Africans should amend it and give Africa the image it fully deserves.
Thanks man. And I heard of Nabta playa.
trollslayer

Park Forest, IL

#1363 Jun 21, 2013
big mike M wrote:
Again Barros wheres your sources+quotes that back up what you're saying????
....asking 'barros' for linked data is like, well...take a look

http://www.google.com/url...

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#1364 Jun 21, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the part about a cline along the Nile Valley, dumdum.
I am still awaiting you to provide any evidence that Lower Egypt had no Eurasian component in predynastic times. You have failed to do that, Afronazi liar.
We will wait until the cows come home, and you will prove nothing, as always.
Yes, you're nothing but an Afronazi with a racist ideology and no regard for truth. Piss off, boy.
Mister Eurofck...AGAIN you continue to twist words! LMAO!!

Again...READ CLEARLY.

"If there was a south-north cline of variation along the Nile Valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into Palestine. The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans."

Key word 'IF'. What its basically saying that if there were slight differences of Lower And Upper Egyptians, IT WAS NOT BECAUSE OF LEVANTINES! Work on your reading comprehension. LMAO!

It also states that Lower Egyptians and those from Levant DID NOT EVEN HAVE A COMMON ANCESTOR. So there goes your fantasy of Eurasians being in Lower Egypt predynastic times down the drain!

Again where those sources+quotes? I'm waiting...:)

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#1365 Jun 21, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. Eurocentrics would claim Upper Egypt.
I simply follow the evidence. There was migration of people between the N African coast and the Levant in predynastic times! In both directions! Berber ancestors coming into Africa, Natufians leaving, for examples.
The evidence shows that the people of predynastic and early dynastic Upper Egypt were physically and culturally affiliated with Nubians. That would mean black.
And there is indeed evidence of plenty of African type pharaohs and others throughout Egyptian history (including in the present... would not Anwar Sadat have passed as “black” in the USA?).
But there is also plenty of evidence for Eurasian types in ancient Egypt.
And... will Mikey ever produce evidence for the population of Lower Egypt? I mean an analysis of the DNA of multiple individuals from diverse locations and times? He claims Lower Egypt was 100% black until the Hyksos. So.. where is the evidence?
Help him out, Sak'o'shyt.
D*mbo I ALREADY PROVEN THAT Lower Egypt was African, all you did was twist the studies/quotes I posted out of pure desperation. Son get real. When did I say black? I don't use black for the Ancient Egyptians anymore because they didn't call themselves that but they were STILL AFRICAN and RELATED to other Africans.

Again I had asked you to post sources+quotes, but yet you still have not. I know BECAUSE NO INFORMATIONS AGREE WITH YOU! LMAO!

I need no help wh**ping your silly @$$.

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#1366 Jun 21, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
....asking 'barros' for linked data is like, well...take a look
http://www.google.com/url...
More like this.:)
http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q701/Matt...

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#1367 Jun 21, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, fool, the Natufians show up as mixed, even in Lower Egypt, and even moreso in the Levant.
But, they are after 30,000 years.
But the argument against which you can provide NO evidence, is that Lower Egypt in predynastic times had a Eurasian component. You claim they were 100% black, but provide NOTHING to back that up.
And so, yet again, you are left looking like a clown without a circus, fool.
Afronazi.
Sources+Quotes?

The only clown here is you!
http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q701/Matt...
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#1368 Jun 21, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
Evidence? LOL... none that addresses the question. How about links to evidence regarding the composition of the predynastic Lower Egyptian population. No LINKS, Afronazi fraudboy?
And, ignoramus, OMOTIC is no longer considered to be Afroasiatic, but rather a language isolate. I notice one of your sources even said, "or from backmigration from the Mideast", lol.
You don't know what you're talking about, plus you're a liar, boy.
Let's see some evidence for the Lower Egyptian population. Got any? No. You just run on ideology. Everywhere MUST be black! LOL!!!
You're a fool.
The real problem here is, you are too stupid to comprehend any of the data.

Variation in ancient Egyptian stature and body proportions

Sonia R. Zakrzewski*

American Journal of Physical Anthropology
Volume 121, Issue 3, pages 219–229, July 2003

Stature and the pattern of body proportions were investigated in a series of six time-successive Egyptian populations in order to investigate the biological effects on human growth of the development and intensification of agriculture, and the formation of state-level social organization. Univariate analyses of variance were performed to assess differences between the sexes and among various time periods. Significant differences were found both in stature and in raw long bone length measurements between the early semipastoral population and the later intensive agricultural population. The size differences were greater in males than in females. This disparity is suggested to be due to greater male response to poor nutrition in the earlier populations, and with the increasing development of social hierarchy, males were being provisioned preferentially over females. Little change in body shape was found through time, suggesting that all body segments were varying in size in response to environmental and social conditions. The change found in body plan is suggested to be the result of the later groups having a more tropical (Nilotic) form than the preceding populations. Am J Phys Anthropol, 2003.

Population continuity or population change: Formation of the ancient Egyptian state

Sonia R. Zakrzewski*

American Journal of Physical Anthropology
Volume 132, Issue 4, pages 501–509, April 2007

The origins of the ancient Egyptian state and its formation have received much attention through analysis of mortuary contexts, skeletal material, and trade. Genetic diversity was analyzed by studying craniometric variation within a series of six time-successive Egyptian populations in order to investigate the evidence for migration over the period of the development of social hierarchy and the Egyptian state. Craniometric variation, based upon 16 measurements, was assessed through principal components analysis, discriminant function analysis, and Mahalanobs D2 matrix computation. Spatial and temporal relationships were assessed by Mantel and Partial Mantel tests. The results indicate overall population continuity over the Predynastic and early Dynastic, and high levels of genetic heterogeneity, thereby suggesting that state formation occurred as a mainly indigenous process. Nevertheless, significant differences were found in morphology between both geographically-pooled and cemetery-specific temporal groups, indicating that some migration occurred along the Egyptian Nile Valley over the periods studied. Am J Phys Anthropol, 2007.

Ancient Egyptians were Tropical adapted in limb ratio. Your suggestive Eurasians from the Crescent were and are cold adapted in limb ratio.

Cont.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#1369 Jun 21, 2013
Cont...
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes there is plenty of evidence. I especially await the posting of predynastic evidence for Lower Egypt. Afronazis seem to think that is proven, that they have some way to claim that, but they are being exposed as running on pure ideology with no facts. This is why they are stalled and unable to proceed.
More evidence will be dropped on them and let's watch the squirm!
quote:
Northern Egypt near the Mediterranean shows the same pattern- limb length data puts its peoples closer to tropically adapted Africans that cold climate Europeans

"...sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine.

The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans."
Barry Kemp, "Ancient Egypt Anatomy of a Civilisation.(2005) Routledge. p. 52-60

quote:
"When the Elephantine results were added to a broader pooling of the physical characteristics drawn from a wide geographic region which includes Africa, the Mediterranean and the Near East quite strong affinities emerge between Elephantine and populations from Nubia, supporting a strong south-north cline."
Barry Kemp.(2006) Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilization. p. 54

Cont.

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#1370 Jun 21, 2013
African AE wrote:
Another scientific paper by SOY Keita saying the ancient Egyptians were mixed race and are related to todays Egyptians!
www.ngm.nationalgeographic.com/geopedia/Ancie...
D*mbo first off your link doesn't even work! And please SOY Keita NEVER stated that the Ancient Egyptians were mixed. He stated that they were tropically adapted(unlike Europeans and Mid-Easterners) and grouped more with other Africans.

http://wysinger.homestead.com/badari.pdf
^^^Doesn't seem like Keita is agreeing with ya. You Eurofcks always like to twist Keita's words. In the link Keita found that the pre-dynastic Badarians mostly resembled the Teita (who themselves ultimately derive from Tanzania).

And also mean they mean 'modern Egyptians' they are talking about those from UPPER EGYPT not those from Lower Egyptians who had absorbed significant foreign admixture! Their talking about Egyptians like THESE!
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/KING9_...
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/KING9_...
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/KING9_...
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/KING9_...
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/KING9_...

^^^As proof with their Y-DNA which is MAINLY AFRICAN. And lets not forget Nubians also clustering closest to the Ancients. How can YOU FORGET ABOUT THEM???
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_70QeGoT_fmI/SvC4gXs...

You're DISMISSED!

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#1371 Jun 21, 2013
@Almoravid

Agreed, that Eurofck named Barros clearly does not know how to comprehend studies posted directly to him. Which is why he is so repetitive. He is use to debating with people who are not well informed on this subject. The Eurofck still has not posted sources+quotes that agree/back up his claims. How pathetic indeed.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#1372 Jun 21, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes there is plenty of evidence. I especially await the posting of predynastic evidence for Lower Egypt. Afronazis seem to think that is proven, that they have some way to claim that, but they are being exposed as running on pure ideology with no facts. This is why they are stalled and unable to proceed.
More evidence will be dropped on them and let's watch the squirm!
Where it all started:

"Analysis of Predinastic skeletal material showed tropical African elements in the population of the earliest populations of the earliest Badarian culture" [...]

--Frank Yurco

Quote:
"The Lower Egyptian cultures in the fifth and fourth millennia are marked by an architecture of ovoid or circular huts (pl. 1:8) made of light material (mud and reeds), rather close in aspect to the traditional architecture of sub-Saharan Africa."
--Olin and Blin 2003

Versus

Quote:
What we can say, however, is that in the
Holocene, humans from southwest Asia do not
exhibit tropically adapted body shape (Crognier
1981; Eveleth and Tanner 1976; Schreider
1975).... "
---Trenton Holliday (2000) Evolution at the
Crossroads: Modern Human Emergence in Western
Asia. American Anthropologist. New Series,
Vol. 102, No. 1, 54-68

Quote:
Migration within a larger time framework took place ca. 15,000--18,000 BP, when the first Asian populations crossed the Bering Strait, ultimately founding the modern Amerindian population. Despite having as much as 18,000 years of selection in environments as diverse as those found in the Old World, body mass and proportion clines in the Americas are less steep than those in the Old World (Newman, 1953; Roberts, 1978). In fact, as Hulse (1960) pointed out, Amerindians, even in the tropics, tend to possess some ''arctic'' adaptations. Thus he concluded that it must take more than 15,000 years for modern humans to fully adapt to a new environment (see also Trinkaus, 1992). This suggests that body proportions tend not to be very plastic under natural conditions, and that selective rates on body shape are such that evolution in these features is long-term."
-- Holliday T.(1997). Body proportions
in Late Pleistocene Europe and modern
human origins. Jrnl Hum Evo. 32:423-447

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Late Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic Europeans should not exhibit tropically-adapted limb proportions, since, even assuming replacement, their ancestors had experienced cold stress in glacial Europe for at least 12 millennia.

Quote:
Additionally, brachial and crural indices do not appear to be a good measure of overall limb length, and thus, while the Late Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic humans have significantly higher (i.e., tropically-adapted) brachial and crural indices than do recent Europeans, they also have shorter (i.e., cold-adapted) limbs.

The somewhat paradoxical retention of "tropical" indices in the context of more "cold-adapted" limb length is best explained as evidence for Replacement in the European Late Pleistocene, followed by gradual cold adaptation in glacial Europe.
--Holliday TW
J Hum Evol. 1999 May;36(5):549-66.
Brachial and crural indices of European late Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic humans.

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In fact, in terms of body shape, the European and the Inuit samples tend to be cold-adapted and tend to be separated in multivariate space from the more tropically adapted Africans, especially those groups from south of the Sahara.
--Holliday TW, Hilton CE.
Body proportions of circumpolar peoples as evidenced from skeletal data: Ipiutak and Tigara (Point Hope) versus Kodiak Island Inuit.

LOL @ Babble Sarano.

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#1373 Jun 21, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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You're still lying.
Evidence has been posted, and ignored by lying Afronazis.
And now Mikey is unable to produce ANY evidence for his assertion that predynastic Lower Egypt was 100%“black”. Nothing.
Peer-reviewed sources? LOL... we're all still waiting for ANY evidence regarding the population of Lower Egypt. These Afronazis should know how this will go... they'll cavort and prevaricate, and eventually I will drop a bomb on them, as always, real science to punk their pseudo-intellectual asses.
LMAO at this deperate Eurofck saying I was unable to post any evidence...Fool I posted a MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE.

Again...This is just ONE OF THEM.

"...sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine.

The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans."
Barry Kemp, "Ancient Egypt Anatomy of a Civilisation.(2005) Routledge. p. 52-60

^^^All you can do is twist what was said in the quote out of pure desperation.

And what bomb??? It seems WE are dropping the bombs on YOU. LMAO!! When do you always drop a bomb when you NEVER post any sources backing you up, just like now.

GTFO! WE'RE waiting for YOU to post sources+quotes backing up YOUR claims. Don't try to twist this when you know you have NO argument. You're a Eurofck which is why you so desperately want to Eurasinize Ancient Egypt even when your whole argument is in ruins.

How sad.:(
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#1374 Jun 21, 2013
big mike M wrote:
<quoted text>
More like this.:)
http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q701/Matt...
Great post!

"..Middle Paleolithic and the transition to the Upper Paleolithic in the Lower Nile Valley are described... the Middle Paleolithic or, more appropriately, Middle Stone Age of this region starts with the arrival of new populations from sub-Saharan Africa, as evidenced by the nature of the Early to Middle Stone Age transition in stratified sites. Throughout the late Middle Pleistocene technological change occurs leading to the establishment of the Nubian Complex by the onset of the Upper Pleistocene." (Van Peer, Philip. Did middle stone age moderns of sub-Saharan African descent trigger an upper paleolithic revolution in the lower nile valley? Anthropologie. vol. 42, no3, pp. 215-225 ) to Middle Stone Age transition in stratified sites. Throughout the late Middle Pleistocene technological change occurs leading to the establishment of the Nubian Complex by the onset of the Upper Pleistocene."

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