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trollslayer

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#4073 Sep 14, 2013
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Another driver, though a minor one, for revisiting this subject, is the tremendous popularity of population genetics of coastal northern Africa in the so-called "west". People in the so-called "west" tend to have a bizarre fascination with coastal northern Africa, in contrast to enthusiasm greeted upon other areas of the continent, and in doing so, the people of the sub-region have been taken to "mystical" proportions, that is almost as ridiculous as speaking of extraterrestrial aliens transplanted into a new land where they would subsequently be cordoned off from preexisting inhabitants. With that said, as of this 2013 writing...

L1b and L2a subclades have tested positive for transition 16126C. L3 was earlier implicated (see older content of the main entry) in this mutation; examples for this, reportedly occur in the L3d, L3e (L3e2), and L3f clades [4].

Transition 16355T appears in subclade L5a, L2c, L2b, L2e [1], L1c3a1b, L3k1 [2], L4b2 [5] and L2d [3]. It’s worth noting the presence of this polymorphism in the so-called L-type aforementioned clades, but also, that while it appears in the R sub-haplogroup of the L3N clade, the location of both transition 16126C and 16355T in 2 mutually independent sub-haplogroups of the R clade.

Which are in turn mutually independent of hg N sub-haplo-groups N1a1a and N11 [2], where 16355T again appears, whereas either polymorphism is rendered absent in other sub-haplogroups of hg R and hg N super-clades, suggests that these polymorphisms have independently emerged multiple times in distinct mtDNA organelles. "

These sites are thus highly polymorphic compared to some other sites, and chance occurrence in mutually independent mtDNA clades is also quite high; in other words, these polymorphisms in on themselves, cannot reliably be used in absence of additional differentiating data to draw solid conclusions about haplogroup assignment with high confidence. Also helpful, is the possible necessity of not only solid reproduction of results in more than a single individual [e.g. polymorphisms 16126C and 16355T were pinned on a single individual], but as noted in the earlier passages, solid reproductions of results involving several different runs of DNA sequencing involving the very same individuals.

More examples of convergent mutations across different mitochondrial clades, recalling other earlier posted material: Take the aforementioned mutations at np 16298 rendering the mtDNA clade assignment into divergent super-clades; to this end, L3 was given as an example—add hg M7b or M8, as other exemplary alternatives.

Likewise, the transition at np 16179 (16179T) has been reportedly identified in L3 (xL3M, L3N). While it remains valid that the noted mutations at np 16179 and 16298 respectively occur in hg L3h1, it is important to note, and hence clarify, that they don’t occur in a single haplotype, but two different sub-clades (L3h1b1 and L3h1a1 respectively [2]); better phylogenetic resolution of this clade over the course of nearly the last three years, i.e. since the main entry passages were posted, has now made it possible to pinpoint such specifics. On the other hand, no material yet available to the present author has shed light on occurrence of the 16179T mutation in hg V, the clade of Kefi et al.’s choice. "

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trollslayer

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In the older passages of the main entry, it was mentioned that L1 could well be a relatively “distant possibility”, or alternative to that which Kefi & co. preferred to associate with the alleged incidence of the 16179T; it appears that since then, further shuffling of the human mtDNA phylogenetic network has now rendered the initial sourcing, which had led to the drawing of that assessment, obscure.

However, in lieu, new publication puts forward L0dx [6], which is reportedly defined by 16179T and is reckoned to be a possible subclade of hg L0d1, as a possible candidate for DNA-assignment consideration. Clades L4b (L4b1), L3d, and L3e (L3e1) happen to be yet other such candidates.

Mutation 16124T/C, as noted in the main entry, could allow for assignment into hg L3, with 16124T reported in L3b1a [2], and 16124C reported in L3e2 (L3e2a [4]), L3d and L3b, for example. The earlier notes of the main entry also briefly noted possible assignment into L3, with regards to the alleged transition to T polymorphism at np 16239; possible L3 candidates for this are reportedly L3d again, and L3e (L3e2 and L3e2b [4]), while the mutation is found across other L-type clades, namely hg L0 (L0f2, L0d1), L1b ( L1b2), L2a (L2a1c2 [2]), L2e and L4b (L4b1)."

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" The aforementioned L3h1b1 clade had been implicated in the polymorphism at np 16179; however, the same clade had also been implicated in the earlier entry as a possible candidate for clade assignment for the polymorphisms at np 16172 (16172C) and np 16126 (16126C). With regards to the latter situation, it appears that DNA network reshuffling has—once again—now rendered the primary source for this observation either obscure or outdated, in contrast to what the situation was back in 2010. The subclade which may have had the necessary nucleotide attributes that fit these two latter polymorphisms under L3h1b may have been reassigned to some other position within the mtDNA network. As such, it’s only fitting to look towards what currently available information suggests:
Citing from earlier posting, it was noted...
The positions "16172C" and the aforementioned "16126C" could place a specimen (Taf XXIV) in a rare L3h1b1 marker, and likewise, Taf V19E in either some L3h1b1 derivative, L1a subclade, or even M1 subclade, which all have variants bearing the 16172C mutation, assuming that Kefi et al.'s reports for either specimens doesn't involve exogenous mutations, and that homoplasic mutational events took place across hgs L3h1b1, L1a, U6, M1 and possibly, per Kefi et al.'s reckoning, JT in the HVR1 control region.- An Investigation into the "Mysterious" Mesolithic Maghrebi populations, 2010.
The earlier noting of 16172C location within Hgs M1, U6, and L1a still have merit, although it’s worth noting that L1a has been re-assign in the network or treated as L0a in some publications. L1, L3e1, L3, and L4b2a2 (L4b2a2b) have all tested positive for 16172C polymorphism.
With regards to the 16174T mutation, also mentioned in the notes from 2010 (main entry), L0f1 clade has tested positive for 16174T [2], as did L3 [4], which is worth pointing out, as it appears that Kefi et al. treated that mutation [not to dismiss the record that it has been located in U6-identified DNA] as another primary identifying polymorphism for U6 consideration in DNA assignment, although it is otherwise rarely treated as such in many other publications.
So, it appears that all three polymorphisms, namely 16126C, 16172C, and 16174T have appeared in L3 clades [4]; in other words, the DNA assigned to U6 by Kefi et al., could just as well be outright placed in L3. "

To build on the last few observations, L3e2b clades (including L3e2b1a1, L3e2b3 sub-clades [4]) have tested positive for both 16126C and 16172C [4]. There is rarely, if any, publication that treats 16126C as a primary identifying polymorphism for U6, yet Kefi et al. has treated this mutation just as that.

References are as follows:

1 - Kerchner.com

2 - PhyloTree.org

3 - Howell et al. 2004, African Haplogroup L mtDNA Sequences Show Violations of Clock-like Evolution.

4 - Family Tree DNA

5 - SNPedia

6- Schlebusch et al. 2013, MtDNA control region variation affirms diversity and deep sub-structure in populations from southern Africa.

— Kefi et al.(2005), Mitochondrial Diversity of the Population of Taforalt (12,000 years b.p.- Morocco): A Genetic Study Approach to the Peopling of North Africa.

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#4077 Sep 14, 2013
Trollboy, you don't understand a word of the stuff you posted... which must be why you make no point.

That's better than your usual posts, which always come to the wrong conclusions.
African AE

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#4078 Sep 15, 2013
Dez wrote:
They also depicted themselves like this:
Blue eyed Pharaoh:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ka_Statue_of_horaw...
www.asorblog.org/...
Modern Egyptins:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Copts-with-Nassar-...
So nope ancient Egyptians looked exactly like modern Egyptians. Some black,some white, but the majority brown!
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#4080 Sep 15, 2013
Dez wrote:
This info. takes care of the rest of N. Africa. The trolls do not want to deal with this truth

An Investigation into the "Mysterious" Mesolithic Maghrebi populations

http://www.google.com/url...

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#4081 Sep 15, 2013
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good job Dez.....everything points to indigenous Africans in ALL parts of Africa.
Certaintly not, since the Maghreb was settled by Eurasians 30,000 years ago, and has been predominantly Eurasian since, as proven by data, much of it posted in here, and ignored by lying Afronazi scumfuks.

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trollslayer wrote:
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This info. takes care of the rest of N. Africa. The trolls do not want to deal with this truth

An Investigation into the "Mysterious" Mesolithic Maghrebi populations
http://www.google.com/url...
the truth will be known

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#4084 Sep 15, 2013
The truth is not in you, lying Afronazi pseudointellectual cultish dropout racist.

Linked evidence has already proven that you are NOT a Hebrew Moorish Spartan Chinese Olmec, so just give it up, putz.

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#4085 Sep 15, 2013
Why are so many people concerned and living in the past... I AM only concerned in where i'm going not where my ancestors and granda pa been. GO start some businesses. and come back and teach on that. History is only a short learning tool.
African AE

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#4086 Sep 15, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
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This info. takes care of the rest of N. Africa. The trolls do not want to deal with this truth
An Investigation into the "Mysterious" Mesolithic Maghrebi populations
http://www.google.com/url...
Very Eurasian 35000 years old North African:
www.sciencephoto.com/media/481366/view

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#4088 Sep 16, 2013
African AE said

So nope ancient Egyptians looked exactly like modern Egyptians. Some black,some white, but the majority brown!

KiloEcho replies

Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies

Ancient Egyptians looked exactly like their genetic brothers from the Horn of Africa aka Ethiopoid and all carriers of the E3b which originates in East Africa, South of the Sahara.

From old traditions (Kemet, the Black Land), ancient religions (Ham, the Black, father of Mizraim aka Egypt, Cush, Punt, Canaan), and narratives from early European historians (Herodotus wrote that Egyptians had black skin and woolly hair), it is crystal clear that ancient Egyptians were dark brown skinned, that is Black Africans.

Modern Egyptians who are White or Brown are just like South African Whites and Colored.

Ancient Egypt and South Africa were both invaded by Whites who mixed with indigenous Black South Africans in order to created brown people like the Colored.

White South Africans have also tried to claim that they arrived in a black land they invaded in the 16C before any Blacks (the Bantu and the San).

White people have been VERY SUCCESSFUL in applying the erase and replace strategy in all the lands they invaded or conquered, like Europe, North Africa, India, Western Asia, Australia and the Americas.

The so called Whites' point of origin in South Central Asia

They migrated West to Western Asia and Europe, East to China (there are still European looking Chinese known as the red haired and blue eyed Uyghurs and the extinct Tocharians) and South to India where they erased and replaced the original dark brown skinned populations.

Erase and Replace Strategy

Act # 1: Breed out the original populations
Act # 2: Create a fixe mixed race (the paler, the better)
Act # 3: Claim their identity,
Act # 4: Stole their legacy
Act # 5: Shut out the Natives of all races.

Paul Gaffarel (1843-1920), a scientist and a prolific historian of French descent wrote a wonderful passage on races and world dominance.

Several races seem to have, in turn, exercised world dominance, and been at the forefront of civilization.

The order of succession is now very difficult to determine.

However, the Black race appears to be the first.

The Malays hunted down Blacks in the islands of Polynesia; the Hindus chased them far into the interior of the Deccan and Ceylon.

Blacks are represented in Egyptian monuments and easily recognizable by the color of their skin, snub nose and slanted eyes. They were later replaced by invaders.

THE FINAL TRIUMPH OF OUR RACE (THE WHITE RACE) DATES ONLY FROM THE 16C WHEN NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES WERE DESTROYED OR ABSORBED BY EUROPEANS.

Baldwin, John D. John Denison (1809-1883) who was a member of the prestigious American Oriental Society wrote the following:

It is now admitted that a people of the Cushite or Ethiopian race, sometimes called Hamites, were the first civilizers and builders throughout Western Asia, and they are traced, by remains of their language, their architecture, and the influence of their civilization, on both shores of the Mediterranean, in Eastern Africa and the Nile valley, in Hindustan, and in the islands of the Indian Seas.

M. Constantine de Volney, Travels through Syria and Egypt in the Years 1783-1785 (London 1787)

The Egyptian must have been real Negroes of the same species of the natives of Africa”.

In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same stock as all the autochthonous people of Africa and from the datum one sees how their race, after some centuries of mixing with the blood of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the full blackness of its original color but retained the impress of its original mold.

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#4089 Sep 16, 2013
KiloEcho wrote:
From old traditions (Kemet, the Black Land), ancient religions (Ham, the Black, father of Mizraim aka Egypt, Cush, Punt, Canaan), and narratives from early European historians (Herodotus wrote that Egyptians had black skin and woolly hair), it is crystal clear that ancient Egyptians were dark brown skinned, that is Black Africans.
Modern Egyptians who are White or Brown are just like South African Whites and Colored.
Ancient Egypt and South Africa were both invaded by Whites who mixed with indigenous Black South Africans in order to created brown people like the Colored.
White South Africans have also tried to claim that they arrived in a black land they invaded in the 16C before any Blacks (the Bantu and the San).
White people have been VERY SUCCESSFUL in applying the erase and replace strategy in all the lands they invaded or conquered, like Europe, North Africa, India, Western Asia, Australia and the Americas.
The so called Whites' point of origin in South Central Asia
They migrated West to Western Asia and Europe, East to China (there are still European looking Chinese known as the red haired and blue eyed Uyghurs and the extinct Tocharians) and South to India where they erased and replaced the original dark brown skinned populations.
Erase and Replace Strategy
Act # 1: Breed out the original populations
Act # 2: Create a fixe mixed race (the paler, the better)
Act # 3: Claim their identity,
Act # 4: Stole their legacy
Act # 5: Shut out the Natives of all races.
Paul Gaffarel (1843-1920), a scientist and a prolific historian of French descent wrote a wonderful passage on races and world dominance.
Several races seem to have, in turn, exercised world dominance, and been at the forefront of civilization.
The order of succession is now very difficult to determine.
However, the Black race appears to be the first.
The Malays hunted down Blacks in the islands of Polynesia; the Hindus chased them far into the interior of the Deccan and Ceylon.
Blacks are represented in Egyptian monuments and easily recognizable by the color of their skin, snub nose and slanted eyes. They were later replaced by invaders.
THE FINAL TRIUMPH OF OUR RACE (THE WHITE RACE) DATES ONLY FROM THE 16C WHEN NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES WERE DESTROYED OR ABSORBED BY EUROPEANS.
Baldwin, John D. John Denison (1809-1883) who was a member of the prestigious American Oriental Society wrote the following:
It is now admitted that a people of the Cushite or Ethiopian race, sometimes called Hamites, were the first civilizers and builders throughout Western Asia, and they are traced, by remains of their language, their architecture, and the influence of their civilization, on both shores of the Mediterranean, in Eastern Africa and the Nile valley, in Hindustan, and in the islands of the Indian Seas.
M. Constantine de Volney, Travels through Syria and Egypt in the Years 1783-1785 (London 1787)
The Egyptian must have been real Negroes of the same species of the natives of Africa”.
You don't even specify about which time you speak.“Ancient Egyptians”... from when?

They did not look like Somalis as you claim, throughout the ancient period.

There were Eurasians in Lower Egypt even in predynastic times, as y'all's buddy Mikey even had to admit, the dimwit.

Over time Egypt was increasingly mixed.

The case of S Africa is very different, and irrelevant.

Many Egyptians are still “black”, are they not? Have you ever been to Aswan?

You are confused... while the civilization there was indeed created by black people in Upper Egypt, still Eurasians were always present somewhere in Egypt to some extent.

Too bad if that gives you hissy fits.

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#4090 Sep 16, 2013
KiloEcho wrote:
African AE said
So nope ancient Egyptians looked exactly like modern Egyptians. Some black,some white, but the majority brown!
KiloEcho replies
Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies
Ancient Egyptians looked exactly like their genetic brothers from the Horn of Africa aka Ethiopoid and all carriers of the E3b which originates in East Africa, South of the Sahara.
From old traditions (Kemet, the Black Land), ancient religions (Ham, the Black, father of Mizraim aka Egypt, Cush, Punt, Canaan), and narratives from early European historians (Herodotus wrote that Egyptians had black skin and woolly hair), it is crystal clear that ancient Egyptians were dark brown skinned, that is Black Africans.
Modern Egyptians who are White or Brown are just like South African Whites and Colored.
Ancient Egypt and South Africa were both invaded by Whites who mixed with indigenous Black South Africans in order to created brown people like the Colored.
White South Africans have also tried to claim that they arrived in a black land they invaded in the 16C before any Blacks (the Bantu and the San).
White people have been VERY SUCCESSFUL in applying the erase and replace strategy in all the lands they invaded or conquered, like Europe, North Africa, India, Western Asia, Australia and the Americas.
The so called Whites' point of origin in South Central Asia
They migrated West to Western Asia and Europe, East to China (there are still European looking Chinese known as the red haired and blue eyed Uyghurs and the extinct Tocharians) and South to India where they erased and replaced the original dark brown skinned populations.
Erase and Replace Strategy
Act # 1: Breed out the original populations
Act # 2: Create a fixe mixed race (the paler, the better)
Act # 3: Claim their identity,
Act # 4: Stole their legacy
Act # 5: Shut out the Natives of all races.
Paul Gaffarel (1843-1920), a scientist and a prolific historian of French descent wrote a wonderful passage on races and world dominance.
Several races seem to have, in turn, exercised world dominance, and been at the forefront of civilization.
The order of succession is now very difficult to determine.
However, the Black race appears to be the first.
The Malays hunted down Blacks in the islands of Polynesia; the Hindus chased them far into the interior of the Deccan and Ceylon.
Blacks are represented in Egyptian monuments and easily recognizable by the color of their skin, snub nose and slanted eyes. They were later replaced by invaders.
THE FINAL TRIUMPH OF OUR RACE (THE WHITE RACE) DATES ONLY FROM THE 16C WHEN NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES WERE DESTROYED OR ABSORBED BY EUROPEANS.
Baldwin, John D. John Denison (1809-1883) who was a member of the prestigious American Oriental Society wrote the following:
It is now admitted that a people of the Cushite or Ethiopian race, sometimes called Hamites, were the first civilizers and builders throughout Western Asia, and they are traced, by remains of their language, their architecture, and the influence of their civilization, on both shores of the Mediterranean, in Eastern Africa and the Nile valley, in Hindustan, and in the islands of the Indian Seas.
M. Constantine de Volney, Travels through Syria and Egypt in the Years 1783-1785 (London 1787)
The Egyptian must have been real Negroes of the same species of the natives of Africa”.
In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same stock as all the autochthonous people of Africa and from the datum one sees how their race, after some centuries of mixing with the blood of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the full blackness of its original color but retained the impress of its original mold.
check this out......
"Ethiopia the Cradle of Human Origins: New Discoveries from the Field"

&fe ature=youtube_gdata_player

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trollslayer

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#4091 Sep 16, 2013
"Ethiopia the Cradle of Human Origins: New Discoveries from the Field"

Dr. Yohannes Haile-Selassie.... Ethiopian paleoanthropologist. An authority on pre-Homo sapiens hominids ... F*ck who ever does NOT accept this scholar.

&fe ature=youtube_gdata_player

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#4092 Sep 18, 2013
Sinajuavi said

There were Eurasians in Lower Egypt even in predynastic times, as y'all's buddy Mikey even had to admit, the dimwit.
Over time Egypt was increasingly mixed.
You are confused... while the civilization there was indeed created by black people in Upper Egypt, still Eurasians were always present somewhere in Egypt to some extent.

KiloEcho replies

Eurasians in Egypt are the descendants of settlers, invaders, occupiers and slaves (Janissaries, Mameluk etc.)

They did not create the ancient Egyptian civilization that was created by indigenous Black Africans LONG BEFORE their arrival in Egypt.

Europeans should to stop claiming civilizations that were not created by Europeans nor in Europe.

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