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Sinajuavi
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#3390 Jul 26, 2013
Boondeeboojoe wrote:
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If the SSA admixture in natufians was before OOA, SSA affinities should have vanished long ago. Nafufians + SSA affinities+ E-M78 in the levant and beyond= West African types taking E-m78 outside Africa. It is no coincidence.
This is largely gibberish, but I get that you are claiming the Natufians were W Africans! No, they were not! They were originally of northeast African L2 type. Then they progressively mixed with Mideasterners until being completely absorbed by them culturally as well as biologically.
Boondeeboojoe

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#3391 Jul 26, 2013
Curious Me wrote:
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Nahhh, close, but ::NO CIGAR::!!
...and some of your numbers are just a bit exaggerated.
Although Denisovan and Neanderthal are somewhat more closely related, they are still different and the Chinese type and the Papua New Guinean type are part Denisovan, not Neanderthal.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaic_human_...
After all,The genetic difference between 'MODERN HUMAN' and 'CHIMPANZEE' is less than 2-percent.
That 3- to 4-percent Neanderthal difference that has been retained by Caucasians may seem small but it doesn't take much genetic coding to make a HUGE difference, especially when that difference spans two separate species.
A 4-percent sub-Saharan African admixture in a Eurasian doesn't really amount to a whole lot of difference, but then there shouldn't be a whole lot of difference between one Modern Human and another.
Also, a different "4-percent" Modern Human admixture, in someone who is already a Modern Human, is not the same as having a 4-percent difference, in your genetic coding, from that of others of your species.
LOL! So how do you think neanderthal admixture affected europeans, any idea?^_^

Ok so what do chinese and european have in common? Pale skin and stringy hair. They both have neanderthal admixture. Could it be they inherited those characteristic from neanderthal?

First european 45k
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4580600...
Boondeeboojoe

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#3392 Jul 26, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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This is largely gibberish, but I get that you are claiming the Natufians were W Africans! No, they were not! They were originally of northeast African L2 type. Then they progressively mixed with Mideasterners until being completely absorbed by them culturally as well as biologically.
Shut up! Progressively admixed? LOL! There was a SSA presence in the levant. They mixed Caucasoid entering the middle from colder europe.

Sinajuavi
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#3393 Jul 26, 2013
Boondeeboojoe wrote:
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LOL! So how do you think neanderthal admixture affected europeans, any idea?^_^
Ok so what do chinese and european have in common? Pale skin and stringy hair. They both have neanderthal admixture. Could it be they inherited those characteristic from neanderthal?
First european 45k
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4580600...
Any trait in Eurasians could have been affected by neandertalensis or denisova admixture. Logically, then, any trait of W-Central Africans could be affected by heidelbergensis admixture.

Sinajuavi
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#3394 Jul 26, 2013
Boondeeboojoe wrote:
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Shut up! Progressively admixed? LOL! There was a SSA presence in the levant. They mixed Caucasoid entering the middle from colder europe.
Wrong. The “Caucasoids” were already in the Mideast, and had been for a long time. They were of IJ type, then J. Also there was admixture from nearby groups who had split from them earlier, such as Caucasian G. By Natufian times, the Mideasterners were of type J mostly.

The African Natufians were northeastern, not W Africa. L3, not L2. They came down the Nile.

Then they mixed with Eurasian. They brought with them a technology of harvesting wild grains, which was very successful as they spread along the Levant into southeastern Anatolia, mixing with Eurasians all the way.

You make 2 errors:

1. the Africans involved were of northeastern type, not W African
2. the Eurasians involved were already in the Levant, as well as Lower Egypt; they did not migrate in from the north
Bmt

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#3395 Jul 26, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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Any trait in Eurasians could have been affected by neandertalensis or denisova admixture. Logically, then, any trait of W-Central Africans could be affected by heidelbergensis admixture.
West africans have not mixed with H. heidelbergensis. Am yet come accross a serious geneticist make that claim. But if we go by first european and SSA affinities in natufian, west africans look no different from adam the genetic father modern humans and OOA people 45k yrs ago. As I told ya africans today live under relatively the same condtions as they were 200k years ago. The difference between then and now temperature was about 6 degrees.
Bmt

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#3396 Jul 26, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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Wrong. The “Caucasoids” were already in the Mideast, and had been for a long time. They were of IJ type, then J. Also there was admixture from nearby groups who had split from them earlier, such as Caucasian G. By Natufian times, the Mideasterners were of type J mostly.
The African Natufians were northeastern, not W Africa. L3, not L2. They came down the Nile.
Then they mixed with Eurasian. They brought with them a technology of harvesting wild grains, which was very successful as they spread along the Levant into southeastern Anatolia, mixing with Eurasians all the way.
You make 2 errors:
1. the Africans involved were of northeastern type, not W African
2. the Eurasians involved were already in the Levant, as well as Lower Egypt; they did not migrate in from the north
You are forgetting west african E1b1a and east african E1b1b are brother.
Bmt

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#3397 Jul 26, 2013
Bmt wrote:
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West africans have not mixed with H. heidelbergensis. Am yet come accross a serious geneticist make that claim. But if we go by first european and SSA affinities in natufian, west africans look no different from adam the genetic father modern humans and OOA people 45k yrs ago. As I told ya africans today live under relatively the same condtions as they were 200k years ago. The difference between then and now temperature was about 6 degrees.
Temperature differed by about 6 degrees between than and now.

Sinajuavi
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#3398 Jul 26, 2013
Bmt wrote:
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You are forgetting west african E1b1a and east african E1b1b are brother.
That is irrelevant. The Natufians were northeast Africans, not W Africans.

Sinajuavi
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#3399 Jul 26, 2013
Bmt wrote:
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West africans have not mixed with H. heidelbergensis. Am yet come accross a serious geneticist make that claim. But if we go by first european and SSA affinities in natufian, west africans look no different from adam the genetic father modern humans and OOA people 45k yrs ago. As I told ya africans today live under relatively the same condtions as they were 200k years ago. The difference between then and now temperature was about 6 degrees.
W-Central Africans are mixed with some non-sapiens species. What other could it be than heidelbergensis?

No, no modern people look like “Adam” nor like OOA people, who were more like 60-70k yrs ago. And possibly had been in Arabia since 125k yrs ago and then migrated around Eurasia from there.

The original H. sapiens being in Ethiopia, and L2 W Africans splitting off much later, obviously they are not like the original.

Nobody alive today is.

Read an Intro to Physical Anthro text before babbling all this wrong nonsense.

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#3400 Jul 27, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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This is largely gibberish, but I get that you are claiming the Natufians were W Africans! No, they were not! They were originally of northeast African L2 type. Then they progressively mixed with Mideasterners until being completely absorbed by them culturally as well as biologically.
The Nautufian 'E-M78' or, more correctly, the 'E-V13' was NEVER anything pertaining to any so-called "SSA".

Those 'E-V13' of the Levant had NEVER been in any part of SSA and furthermore they were not mixed with any 'L'mtDNA.

•••

"L2"mtDNA!!???

GEEEZZZ, what in the beggeeggess by golly are you talking about?

"L2"mtDNA is the most prominent mtDNA of Western/Central sub-Saharan Africa.

'L3'mtDNA is that of Eastern sub-Saharan Africa.

Barros, pardon me for interjecting here, but it was 'L3'mtDNA not 'L2'mtDNA that is the most prominent of NE SSA mtDNA's in North East Africa,

but even so, there is and was very little SSA mtDNA in the Levant or even in North Africa.

This guy that's trying to say that the Nautufians of the Levant 'supposedly' had what he's calling "SSA affinities" is just triple~doubly mixed up.

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#3401 Jul 27, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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That is irrelevant. The Natufians were northeast Africans, not W Africans.
I fail to see why you should see fit to refer to 'E-V13' Nautufians as any sort of African since 'E-V13'Y-Hg coalesced in the Levant, and not Africa.
LION

Huntersville, NC

#3402 Jul 27, 2013
The original Egyptians were the black Nubians
They mixed with eurasions, producing a mulattoe race.

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#3403 Jul 27, 2013
Bmt wrote:
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You are forgetting west african E1b1a and east african E1b1b are brother.
They are not as closely related as you would like to make it sound.

Fully, 35,000yrs of separate genetic drifting is what actually separates them.

They did not miraculously or simply just split off fromm each other, and REALLY what we are talking about is what's happening NOW and THAT really involves the difference between 'E-M78' and 'E-M2' which is actually a WHOLE LOTTA DIFFERENCE.

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#3404 Jul 27, 2013
LION wrote:
The original Egyptians were the black Nubians
They mixed with eurasions, producing a mulattoe race.
Geezz, where the hell have you been,áss høle, we missed you.
LION

Huntersville, NC

#3405 Jul 27, 2013
Curious Me wrote:
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Geezz, where the hell have you been,áss høle, we missed you.
Whats up, Curious! Hope you have been well. Just got burned out with some sites.
Boondeeboojoe

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#3406 Jul 27, 2013
Curious Me wrote:
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I fail to see why you should see fit to refer to 'E-V13' Nautufians as any sort of African since 'E-V13'Y-Hg coalesced in the Levant, and not Africa.
The levant is a corridor to euroasian from Africa, That is that is the route OOA took to leave Africa. What makes you think SSA did not venture into the levant since it is an extension of Egypt?

"Defining African admixture[edit]
Generally lineages used to characterize African admixture are those that are specific to Africa. Some DNA polymorphisms are shared by Europeans, West Asians, North Africans and Sub-Saharan Africans. Examples of such variants include the y-chromosomal haplogroup E1b1b and mitochondrial haplogroup M1.[9]
This sharing of polymorphisms is the result of long distance movements of peoples between Sub-Saharan Africa and Eurasia that involved traversing North Africa and sometimes the Middle East. Consequently the definitions of "African", "Sub-Saharan African" and "North African" will depend on the time frame of reference or the semantic preferences of any particular scientist. Due to prehistoric migrations in and out of Africa, North African populations tend to exhibit allele frequencies that are intermediate between Sub-Saharan Africa and Eurasia.[12][13] Due to this complex genetic profile of Africa, African admixture in Europe could be the result of direct contact with Sub-Saharan Africans or indirectly through contact with North Africans with Sub-Saharan affiliations"

"Y-DNA[edit|edit source]

distribution of E3b1 Haplogroup E (Y-DNA)
One proposed example of Holocene gene flow from Africa to Europe, via the Middle East, is thought to be E1b1b1, which is thought to have emerged about 22,000 years ago in East Africa and branches of it are thought to have migrated to the Middle East by 11,000 years ago during the late Pleistocene or early Neolithic periods.[8]
Entering the late mesolithic Natufian culture, the E1b1b1a2 (E-V13) sub-clade has been associated with the spread of farming from the Middle East into Europe either during or just before the Neolithic transition. E1b1b1 lineages are found throughout Europe but are distributed along a South-to-North cline, with an E1b1b1a mode in the Balkans.[1][17][18][note 1][note 2]"
Boondeeboojoe

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#3407 Jul 27, 2013
Curious Me wrote:
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They are not as closely related as you would like to make it sound.
Fully, 35,000yrs of separate genetic drifting is what actually separates them.
They did not miraculously or simply just split off fromm each other, and REALLY what we are talking about is what's happening NOW and THAT really involves the difference between 'E-M78' and 'E-M2' which is actually a WHOLE LOTTA DIFFERENCE.
How related are european Y-chromosome I, R1b, R1a to each other? You are going to say more closely related to each other than E1b1a and E1b1b, ain't ya?^_^ You are not the first to attempt to put E1b1b outside Africa.
trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#3408 Jul 27, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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The Eurasians were already there, in the Levant. Natufian were mixed with Eurasians from the beginning, probably before they'd even left Africa.
boy...stop TRYING to slip this b.s. in about "euroasians" being in Africa b4 Africans. It's NEVER gonna fly here.
trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#3409 Jul 27, 2013
LION wrote:
The original Egyptians were the black Nubians
They mixed with eurasions, producing a mulattoe race.
Kemet was Nlack a long time b4 the encroachment of "whites & asians"

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