The Ancient Egyptians were black! Fin...
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#3010 Jul 13, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Yawn......not another troll ((((meltdown)))).
In the initial post he claimed there was no ancient marker in Northern Africa. lol

We also know that U6 and M1 are indigenous.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#3011 Jul 13, 2013
Curious Me wrote:
CONTINUATION:
"Abstract
World-wide phylogeographic distribution of human complete mitochondrial DNA sequences suggested a West Asian origin for the autochthonous North African lineage U6. We report here a more detailed analysis of this lineage, unraveling successive expansions that affected not only Africa but neighboring regions such as the Near East, the Iberian Peninsula and the Canary Islands.
Results
Divergence times, geographic origin and expansions of the U6 mitochondrial DNA clade, have been deduced from the analysis of 14 complete U6 sequences, and 56 different haplotypes, characterized by hypervariable segment sequences and RFLPs.
Conclusions
The most probable origin of the proto-U6 lineage was the Near East. Around 30,000 years ago it spread to North Africa where it represents a signature of regional continuity. Subgroup U6a reflects the first African expansion from the Maghrib returning to the east in Paleolithic times. Derivative clade U6a1 signals a posterior movement from East Africa back to the Maghriband the Near East. This migration coincides with the probable Afroasiatic linguistic expansion. U6b and U6c clades, restricted to West Africa, had more localized expansions. U6b probably reached the Iberian Peninsula during the Capsian diffusion in North Africa. Two autochthonous derivatives of these clades(U6b1 and U6c1) indicate the arrival of North African settlers to the Canarian Archipelago in prehistoric times, most probably due to the Saharan desiccation. The absence of these Canarian lineages nowadays in Africa suggests important demographic movements in the western area of this Continent."Nicole Maca-Meyer1 , Ana M González1 , José Pestano2 , Carlos Flores1 , José M Larruga1 and Vicente M Cabrera1. Published: 16 October 2003

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15806398
http://tinyurl.com/ob2z4d8

Quote:
U6 and M1 frequencies in North Africa, the Middle East and Europe do not follow similar patterns, and their sub-clade divisions do not appear to be compatible with their shared history reaching back to the Early Upper Palaeolithic.

[...]

For example, U6a1 and M1b, with their coalescent ages of ~20,000–22,000 years ago and earliest inferred expansion in northwest Africa, could coincide with the flourishing of the Iberomaurusian industry, whilst U6b and M1b1 appeared at the time of the Capsian culture.

----Toomas Kivisild (2012)
Divorcing the Late Upper Palaeolithic demographic histories of mtDNA haplogroups M1 and U6 in Africa

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered.

http://imageshack.us/a/img96/5216/e3be1b1bmig...
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#3012 Jul 13, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
this is total b.s. which "anthropologists" so-called mainstream whites.Africa had the 1st civilizations. It's racist, colonial lie the "civilization" arose OUTSIDE of Africa. Most here will agree.
Sumerians were the very first civilization. Egyptians stole all their ideas from the Sumerians who were Indians! Those ancient Egyptians were big time thieves!
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#3013 Jul 13, 2013
Curious Me wrote:
CONTINUATION:

Also,
"We genotyped the putatively causal allele for lactose tolerance (–13910T) and constructed haplotypes from several polymorphisms in and around the lactase gene (LCT) in three North African Berber populations and compared our results with previously published data. We found that the frequency of the –13910T allele predicts the frequency of lactose tolerance in several Eurasian and North African Berber populations but not in most sub-Saharan African populations.

-->Our analyses suggest that contemporary Berber populations possess the genetic signature of a past migration of pastoralists from the Middle East and that they share a dairying origin with Europeans and Asians, but not with sub-Saharan Africans."<--

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15806398
"but not in most sub-Saharan African populations." LOL we know of Sahara-Sahel indigenous cattle herding Sahara-Sahel pastoralists.

And of which contemporary Berber populations do they speak?

Anyway. We have to get to the NittyGritty. This is actually what happened not too long ago:

Quote:
..."it is important to bear in mind that over the centuries the Maghreb has been a melting-pot of many other ethnic groups and cultures" (By Jamil M. Abun-Nasr, Cambridge University Press, 1987 - page 5.)

Quote:
" During historic times, Berbers experienced a long and complicated history with many invasions, conquests, and migrations by Phoenicians, Romans, Vandals, Byzantines, Arabs, Bedouins, Spanish, Turks, Andalusians, sub-Saharans (communities settled in Jerba and Gabes in the 16th–19th centuries), and French (Brett and Fentress 1996).
-->During these invasions, Berbers were forced back to the mountains and to certain villages in southern Tunisia <--(Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2004)."

Berber mtDNA

The Berbers are the indigenous populationof north-west Africa. Although their Y-DNA is almost perfectly homogenous, belonging to haplogroup E-M81, Berber maternal lineages show a much greater diversity, as well as regional disparity. At least half (and up to 90% in some regions) of the Berbers belong to some Eurasian lineages, such as H, HV, R0, J, T, U, K, N1, N2, and X2, mostly of Middle or Near Eastern origin. 5 to 45% of the Berbers will have sub-Saharan mtDNA (L0, L1, L2, L3, L4, L5). There are only three native North African lineages, U6, X1 and M1, representing 0 to 35% of the people depending on the region.

Haplogroup U6 has been observed from the Iberia and the Canary Islands to Senegal in the West, and from Syria to Ethiopia and Kenya in the East. It is also found at low density in Europe, though mostly limited to Iberia. Approximately 10% of all North Africans belong to this lineage.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogr...

Quote:
Previous studies of J1-M2672, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 have found it to occur at high frequencies among the Arabic-speaking populations of the Middle East, conventionally interpreted as reflecting the spread of Islam in the first millennium CE.

[...]

Although most post-Last Glacial Maximum recolonization events have a typically northward signature,30, 31 our J1e results provide an example of a southward spread during the early Holocene. Although J1e is one of the most frequent haplogroups in the region, haplogroup E-M123 also shows its highest frequency and haplotype diversity in regions of the Fertile Crescent, decreasing toward the Arabian Peninsula.
--Jacques Chiaroni, Toomas Kivisild et al.(2010)
The emergence of Y-chromosome haplogroup J1e among Arabic-speaking populations

quote:
The dates of admixture (assuming 30 years
per generation)42 are reported in Table 1. Notably, in most
of the Semitic, Cushitic, and Omotic populations, the
admixture of African and non-African ancestry components
dates to 2.5–3 kya, whereas in North Africa, the
admixture dates are ~2 ky more recent, clustering around
1 kya, consistent with previous reports.
--Pagani et al 2012
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#3014 Jul 13, 2013
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>Sumerians were the very first civilization. Egyptians stole all their ideas from the Sumerians who were Indians! Those ancient Egyptians were big time thieves!
? lol at the sudden shift.

The only thing mixed about you is your confused boer head, and proxy addresses.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#3015 Jul 13, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
this is total b.s. which "anthropologists" so-called mainstream whites.Africa had the 1st civilizations. It's racist, colonial lie the "civilization" arose OUTSIDE of Africa. Most here will agree.
Study pattern of eugenics and disgenics. And you will uncover a lot.
trollslayer

Chicago, IL

#3016 Jul 13, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
Quote:
Our results also point to a less ancient western sub-Saharan gene flow to Tunisia, including haplogroups L2a and L3b. This conclusion points to an ancient African gene flow to Tunisia before 20,000 BP.
-->>These findings parallel the more recent findings of both archaeology and linguistics on the prehistory of Africa. <<--
The present work suggests that sub-Saharan contributions to North Africa have experienced several com- plex population processes after the occupation of the region by anatomically modern humans. Our results reveal that Berber speakers have a foundational biogeographic root in Africa and that deep African lineages have continued to evolve in supra-Saharan Africa.
--Frigi et al.(2010)
Where are the fossil records?
Where are the fossil records?
Where are the fossil records?
Where are the fossil records?
Where are the fossil records?
Where are the fossil records?
Where are the fossil records?
Where are the fossil records?
"Where are the fossil records?"......also, be sure to tell him....NO (((meltdowns))) please.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#3017 Jul 13, 2013
Quote:
It is interesting that these “non-African”mtDNA lineages are usually predominant while being diverse (Coudray et al. 2009; Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2004; Khodjet-el-Khil et al. 2008).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/3619... #
trollslayer

Chicago, IL

#3018 Jul 13, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
Study pattern of eugenics and disgenics. And you will uncover a lot.
Thank you Almoravid... oh yes, I'm very familiar with quote eugenics UN-qoute.

Warning this is long, feel free to fast forward to hit the key points. Note the usual genocidal underpinnings of this racist brand of "science".

Scientific Racism: The Eugenics of Social Darwinism
http://www.google.com/url...
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#3019 Jul 13, 2013
"but not in most sub-Saharan African populations"
-- Henn et al.(Henni "from the block")

1)This indicates that some sub-Saharan populations are lactose resistent.(Indirectly admitted)

2) We know of Sahara-Sahel popualtions who have a history and tradition of cattle herding, ever since as epipaleolithic pastorialist.(Historical fact, in oral and physical anthropological evidence)
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#3020 Jul 13, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you Almoravid... oh yes, I'm very familiar with quote eugenics UN-qoute.
Warning this is long, feel free to fast forward to hit the key points. Note the usual genocidal underpinnings of this racist brand of "science".
Scientific Racism: The Eugenics of Social Darwinism
http://www.google.com/url...
Good, but disgenics is much worse. The euronuts in here are all too fermiliar with this. Hence, they insist on outdated anthropology and terminology.
trollslayer

Chicago, IL

#3021 Jul 13, 2013
DYSGENIC

: tending to promote survival of or reproduction by less well-adapted individuals (as the weak or diseased)
______

OK....so when we think "well-adapted individuals" I think of total harmonious adaptation. Of course all this takes a turn for the worse when we sprinkle in racism.

Richard Lynn is recent a so-called "scholar" who promotes this racist "science"

Lynn explains eugenics and dysgenics

http://www.google.com/url...
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#3022 Jul 13, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
DYSGENIC
: tending to promote survival of or reproduction by less well-adapted individuals (as the weak or diseased)
______
OK....so when we think "well-adapted individuals" I think of total harmonious adaptation. Of course all this takes a turn for the worse when we sprinkle in racism.
Richard Lynn is recent a so-called "scholar" who promotes this racist "science"
Lynn explains eugenics and dysgenics
http://www.google.com/url...
Yes, that's it. I wrote it somewhat different due to the language barrier.
trollslayer

Chicago, IL

#3023 Jul 13, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, that's it. I wrote it somewhat different due to the language barrier.
lol... it's ok my friend.....you know the old rule "a,e,i,o,u and sometimes.....y" no worries
trollslayer

Chicago, IL

#3024 Jul 13, 2013
..did we ever figure out WHO or WHAT those so-called "mixed" Lower Egyptian PPL. were mixed with.....
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#3025 Jul 13, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
lol... it's ok my friend.....you know the old rule "a,e,i,o,u and sometimes.....y" no worries
lol true,

The ability to digest the milk sugar lactose as an adult (lactase persistence) is a variable genetic trait in human populations. The lactase-persistence phenotype is found at low frequencies in the majority of populations in sub-Saharan Africa that have been tested, but, in some populations, particularly pastoral groups, it is significantly more frequent. Recently, a CT polymorphism located 13.9 kb upstream of exon 1 of the lactase gene (LCT) was shown in a Finnish population to be closely associated with the lactase-persistence phenotype (Enattah et al. 2002). We typed this polymorphism in 1,671 individuals from 20 distinct cultural groups in seven African countries. It was possible to match seven of the groups tested with groups from the literature for whom phenotypic information is available. In five of these groups, the published frequencies of lactase persistence are >/=25%. We found the T allele to be so rare that it cannot explain the frequency of the lactase-persistence phenotype throughout Africa. By use of a statistical procedure to take phenotyping and sampling errors into account, the T-allele frequency was shown to be significantly different from that predicted in five of the African groups. Only the Fulbe and Hausa from Cameroon possessed the T allele at a level consistent with phenotypic observations (as well as an Irish sample used for comparison). We conclude that the C-13.9kbT polymorphism is not a predictor of lactase persistence in sub-Saharan Africans. We also present Y-chromosome data that are consistent with previously reported evidence for a back-migration event into Cameroon, and we comment on the implications for the introgression of the -13.9kb*T allele.
--Mulcare CA, et al.
Am J Hum Genet. 2004 Jun;74(6):1102-10. Epub 2004 Apr 20.

The T allele of a single-nucleotide polymorphism 13.9 kb upstream of the lactase gene (LCT)(C-13.9kbT) does not predict or cause the lactase-persistence phenotype in Africans.

Quote:
Production of lactase in the gut is essential for the digestion of the milk sugar lactose. LP is common in northern and western Europeans as well as in many African, Middle Eastern and southern Asian pastoralist groups, but is rare or absent elsewhere in the world [1]–[4]. In Europeans LP is strongly associated with a single C to T transition in the MCM6 gene (&#8722;13,910*T), located 13.91 kb upstream from the lactase gene [5].
[...]
However, genotype/phenotype frequency comparisons have shown that the &#8722;13,910*T allele cannot account for LP frequencies in most African [3] and Middle Eastern populations [10]. Instead, different LP-associated alleles occurring in the same genomic region have been reported, indicating convergent evolution.
--Yuval Itan et al.
The Origins of Lactase Persistence in Europe

Quote:
We observe complete absence of the &#8722;13.910*T allele in an Early Holocene sample, a result that is difficult to reconcile with modern contamination, because it is very different from the allelic distribution in modern Europeans.
--J. Burger † et al.
Absence of the lactase-persistence-associated allele in early Neolithic Europeans

http://www.pnas.org/content/104/10/3736.long
asho

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#3026 Jul 13, 2013
Why does Barros and the colored boy, insist that E1b1b was not part of the Neolithic farmers who took farming to europe when

"Subclade E1b1b1c1*(M34) presumably
originated in the late period of the Upper Paleolithic
(about 10 thousand years ago). The highest
frequency and diversity of its haplotypes observed
are among the population of Lebanon,
Syria and the adjoining region of Turkey [8, 9,"
Blackmanrunnin

El Paso, TX

#3027 Jul 13, 2013
Yes, The ancient Egyptians were basically black or African in origin. They did mix with their conquerers the Greeks, Hyksos, Romans, and arabs. They also mixed with the Nubians and other black tribes in Africa they conquered and traded with. Read up on the history of Egypt. DNA was extracted from the mummies of Egypt and can be compared to African DNA which decoded means Black. Sorry for white people but you all did not create civilizations and become civilized to much later in history. The vast continent of Africa is full and rich of black history read it and educate yourselves. Since white people are a race of such high IQs.
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#3028 Jul 13, 2013
asho wrote:
Why does Barros and the colored boy, insist that E1b1b was not part of the Neolithic farmers who took farming to europe when
"Subclade E1b1b1c1*(M34) presumably
originated in the late period of the Upper Paleolithic
(about 10 thousand years ago). The highest
frequency and diversity of its haplotypes observed
are among the population of Lebanon,
Syria and the adjoining region of Turkey [8, 9,"
I didnt say it wasnt part of the Neolithic farmers. The Neolithic Farmers carried the indigenous Haplogroup J into Europe, North Africa!
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#3029 Jul 13, 2013
Blackmanrunnin wrote:
Yes, The ancient Egyptians were basically black or African in origin. They did mix with their conquerers the Greeks, Hyksos, Romans, and arabs. They also mixed with the Nubians and other black tribes in Africa they conquered and traded with. Read up on the history of Egypt. DNA was extracted from the mummies of Egypt and can be compared to African DNA which decoded means Black. Sorry for white people but you all did not create civilizations and become civilized to much later in history. The vast continent of Africa is full and rich of black history read it and educate yourselves. Since white people are a race of such high IQs.
The Sumerians are the oldest civilization! Egypt was between two Eurasian Nations, The Levant and Libya, there is just no damn way ancient Egypt was a black African society only and it shows in their paintings! The majority of Egyptians are mixed race with some white and some black Egyptians!
www.animhut.com/articles/design-history-egypt...
Except for the green guy, the Egyptians were all human colours!

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