The Ancient Egyptians were black! Fin...
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2706 Jul 10, 2013
No matter how many proxies you use, you are still the same delusional racist.

Let me again, explain it to you slowly, since you are slow minded.

http://tinypic.com/r/106lcns/5

http://picturestack.com/295/823/y7ZSchermafbe...

If people from East Africa (sub Sahara) who carry E-M35 hadn't migrated to the North the E-M78 mutation would not have been in existence. Do you understand it now?
E-M78 is a mutation of E-M35.

Mutations are effected by: "environment, diet, and exposure to infectious disease across the continent. In some cases, these adaptations have occurred in the last several thousand years,"

quote:
A number of novel genetic and phenotypic adaptations have also evolved in Africans in response to dramatic variation in environment, diet, and exposure to infectious disease across the continent. In some cases, these adaptations have occurred in the last several thousand years, exemplifying the ongoing evolution of human populations. Thus, present-day patterns of variation in African genomes are a product of both demographic and selective events.
--Sarah Tishkoff et al.2010

The people you eurocentrics show of Africans with Lip-plates (and make fun of). These people also fall within the same Hg E-M78. And the groups who carry this most frequent are the Masalit and Fur.

Quote:
Using the principle of the phylogeographic parsimony, the resolution of the E1b1b trifurcation in favor of a common ancestor of E-M2 and E-M329 strongly supports the hypothesis that haplogroup E1b1 originated in eastern Africa, as previously suggested [10], and that chromosomes E-M2, so frequently observed in sub-Saharan Africa, trace their descent to a common ancestor present in eastern Africa.
--Beniamino Trombetta et al.(2011)

https://www.google.com/search...
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2707 Jul 10, 2013
Curious Me wrote:
<quoted text>

You seem to back all of your argument with the unproven basis that 'Blacks' were in North Africa before lighter skinned Caucasians, but all solid evidence points to the contrary.
You are also stretching the meaning of 'Black' to include early(30kya) dark Eurasians as being 'Black'.
You completely ignore the fact that the Eurasian 'E-M78'(E-V13) was in the Levant 8 to 7 thousand years before any 'E-M78' ever made it down as far south as Somalia.
Also, the reason that the East African 'E-M78' of its own is not mixed with any Neanderthal DNA is because there was NO 'L3'mtDNA or 'E-M35'Y-DNA north of the Sahara before 20,000yrs ago and by that time all Neanderthal mixing was over.
If there had been any Proto-'E-M78' in North Africa or further east into the Levant by 30,000yrs ago, then they too would have been mixed with Neanderthal and they would have carried that into Eastern sub-Saharan Africa, which they didn't.
Natufians most likely carried E-V13 as they mixed with people in the Mideast as they moved further into the Med area. It was carried there by migrating Africans.lol

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tNSFOhb_cGM/TxiojlP...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BchnIwSOdQ8/TxilP_4...



I have absolutely no idea what you are ranting about, but I do know that you have a clueless frame of mind.

Lets recap the proto E-M78 once more.LOL

quote:
Within E-M35, there are striking parallels between two haplogroups, E-V68 and E-V257. Both contain a lineage which has been frequently observed in Africa (E-M78 and E-M81, respectively)[6],[8],[10],[13] –[16] and a group of undifferentiated chromosomes that are mostly found in southern Europe (Table S2). An expansion of E-M35 carriers, possibly from the Middle East as proposed by other Authors [14], and split into two branches separated by the geographic barrier of the Mediterranean Sea, would explain this geographic pattern.

->>However, the absence of E-V68* and E-V257* in the Middle East (Table S2) makes a maritime spread between northern Africa and southern Europe a more plausible hypothesis.<--

A detailed analysis of the Y chromosomal microsatellite variation associated with E-V68 and E-V257 could help in gaining a better understanding of the likely timing and place of origin of these two haplogroups.
--Beniamino Trombetta et al.(2011)

Further more:

Quote:
Using the principle of the phylogeographic parsimony, the resolution of the E1b1b trifurcation in favor of a common ancestor of E-M2 and E-M329 strongly supports the hypothesis that haplogroup E1b1 originated in eastern Africa, as previously suggested [10], and that chromosomes E-M2, so frequently observed in sub-Saharan Africa, trace their descent to a common ancestor present in eastern Africa.

[...]

Thirdly, most of the E1b1b1*(E-M35*) paragroup chromosomes are now marked by defining mutations, thus increasing the discriminative power of the haplogroup for use in human evolution and forensics.
--Beniamino Trombetta et al.(2011)
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2708 Jul 10, 2013
Curious Me wrote:
<quoted text>
Karl W. Butzer is neither an archaeologist nor an anthropologist.
That was an unsubstantiated theory and they never said "sparsely populated" just relatively less populated and even that was just unconfirmed guesswork.
Karl W. Butzer: cultural ecologist and environmental archaeologist. Therefore it makes sense that he spoke of the environment. LOL

http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/geography/fa...

https://webspace.utexas.edu/butzerkw/www/

The Middle East was in most parts NOT inhabited until relatively recent, due to the environment. The Southern part, Yemen and Oman have been inhabited for the longest time as one of the oldest dispersals. Hence the Nubian complex.

Give it a break will ya'.

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#2709 Jul 10, 2013
@Curious Me
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TF2UGEI0UJU1N...

I see my pet dog idi*t me has returned from the grave after being so terribly owned by me. But as your owner it is my job to put you down again.:)

D*[email protected]$$ Karl W. Butzer is a cultural ecologist and ENVIRONMENTAL archaeologist, so he obviously knows more THAN YOU! Who cares what YOU think. Where has it even been stated that Lower Egypt being sparsely populated was just a theory as you claim??? Where??? All Egyptologist all agree that Upper Egypt was the cultural, while Lower Egypt wasn't even all that developed...

And as Almoravid even stated the mid east was not that inhabited too. So what was it about Karl Butzer that was not relevant??? Meanwhile you Eurofcks cite Mathilda who does not even have a profession but just owns a blog site...WOW! O_o

As for this painting from the Tomb of Seti...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v507/chavez...

How many times do I have to debunk you Eurofcks on this? That painting was NOT done by the Ancients and it was NOT an accurate painting.

This is the ACTUAL painting of the Tomb of Seti DONE BY THE ANCIENTS!!!
http://i44.tinypic.com/143mf80.jpg

EPIC FAIL! And how many times do I have to tell you id*ots that the Ancients depicted the Libyans of the 22nd and 23rd dynasty like this!!!
http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q701/Matt...
http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q701/Matt...

D*[email protected]$$ if you had been following this thread then you would know that its been stated that the ancestors of the Ancient Egyptians were NOT INDIGENOUS to Egypt. They migrated into Egypt from the further south. The Ancient Egyptians even pinpointed their origins to modern day Somalia or even Tanzania...But I think Somalia...Even so...Egypt and Sahara are a part of the SUB TROPICS and so they were TROPICALLY ADAPTED! I hope you know the ancestors of most West Africans lived in the Sahara so they were not 'black'? FAIL!

AND LMAO!!! When have I even said African Americans were connected to the Ancient Egyptian??? D*[email protected]$$! A new 2013 study indicates that the Ancient Egyptians were more skeletally CLOSER to African Americans than Eurasians. Give me a break.
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/261/yx58.j...

Have you forgotten about Ramsess the III being E1b1a and the DNAtribes results of King Tut???
http://probationchallenge.org/online/wp-conte...

+

http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w513/Amun...

Which were both made possible by the great ZAHI HAWASS!:D

I don't give two shcits if you're part Ethiopian and you a shove that Youtube video up your A$$...When I never even denied the Ancient Egyptians were PRIMARILY of NORTHEAST AFRICAN stock more related to Nile Saharan and Afro-Asiatic speakers of Northeast Africa. So get LOST!

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#2710 Jul 10, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
They did not. Simply and plain.
All Paleolithic, Holocene, Mesolithic and Neolithic remains cluster with other African remains, in limb ratio, limb portions etc.... As I have posted on numerous accounts.
Keep that in mind!
I'll keep this in mind... you still fail to produce any genetic evidence.¡a ver el ADN!

Limb ratio, lol.

Hmmmm... and how do you know there is no U6 in Egypt? You've had to have seen genetic studies. And so you've seen what IS in Egypt... lol.

Yet you're quivering in fear every time I suggest that you post that data.

That is because:

Afronazi = LIAR
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2711 Jul 10, 2013
Curious Me wrote:
<quoted text>

You still will have to explain why the Egyptians themselves saw the Libyans as Caucasians.

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/chavezz/media...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GhV7vZ-zk_g/TtWrU1r...

You seem to back all of your argument with the unproven basis that 'Blacks' were in North Africa before lighter skinned Caucasians, but all solid evidence points to the contrary.

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Ado...
"The indigenous North African ancestry may have been more common in Berber populations and appears most closely related to populations outside of Africa, but divergence between Maghrebi peoples and Near Eastern/Europeans likely precedes the Holocene (>12,000 ya)."
"We also find significant signatures of sub-Saharan African ancestry that vary substantially among populations. These sub-Saharan ancestries appear to be a recent introduction into North African populations, dating to about 1,200 years ago in southern Morocco and about 750 years ago into Egypt, possibly reflecting the patterns of the trans-Saharan slave trade that occurred during this period."
•••
What you need to do is stop posting 18th century cartoons. It's laughable at best. Since I have seen the real image. And I have posted it here as well.

If, anything ancient Lybians showed archaic traits.

http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/search-t...

http://tinyurl.com/7x998kt

http://tinyurl.com/8axnf8z

If you look closely at this map, you'll see that most of the Sahara in Egypt clusters what the southern and north part of the Sahara. These are the people with darkbrown reddish complexion. If you look at lower Egypt on the map and lest say, West Africa's South coast, you'll see that lower and South coastal West Africans have similar color complexion, according to that map. the darkest skin complexions are for the most part not even in West Africans. But more so in Central and East Africans, including Horn Africans. Further more, the map shows the Med region, which is similair to the most Southern part of South Africa. LOL yes, I do agree.

The funniest part of it is, that the ancient Egyptians related to tropical adapted South Saharans.LOL

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GhV7vZ-zk_g/TtWrU1r...

What you also need to do is show physical remains of those suppose Eurasians in Tropical Africa, during the Paleolithic, Holocene, Mesolithic and Neolithic. As long as you can't do that, it means your claims are obsolete!

And, the remaining question is of course, what do they mean by sub Saharan ancestries?

I mean, after all:

http://oi38.tinypic.com/11cgok4.jpg

quote:
Our results reveal that Berber speakers have a foundational biogeographic root in Africa and that deep African lineages have continued to evolve in supra-Saharan Africa.
--Frigi et al.(2010)

quote:
No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered. U6 and M1 frequencies in North Africa, the Middle East and Europe do not follow similar patterns, and their sub-clade divisions do not appear to be compatible with their shared history reaching back to the Early Upper Palaeolithic."
--Erwan Pennarun et al.
Divorcing the Late Upper Palaeolithic demographic histories of mtDNA haplogroups M1 and U6 in Africa

quote:
The dates of admixture (assuming 30 years
per generation)42 are reported in Table 1. Notably, in most
of the Semitic, Cushitic, and Omotic populations, the
admixture of African and non-African ancestry components
dates to 2.5–3 kya, whereas in North Africa, the
admixture dates are ~2 ky more recent, clustering around
1 kya, consistent with previous reports.
--Pagani et al 2012

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#2712 Jul 10, 2013
You Afronazis are full is disinformation. The Mideast wasn't inhabited except for Oman and Yemen? LOL!!!

And just where were the Natufians, you numbnuts! And the Natufians ended up completely absorbed, swamped by much larger numbers of Mideasterners with Eurasian (e.g., J) DNA. All in a part of the Mideast far from Yemen and Oman.

Yes, periodically, as part of the same large-scale climate change involving changes in humidity in the Sahara as well as glaciation in the north, the passageway between Israel and Egypt became humid and very feasible.

And of course we know that Neolithics transited Lower Egypt en route to the Maghreb (not to mention the first wave 30k bp). So right there, that puts Eurasians in the Maghreb.

And, the fact that Afronazi know that U6 was not in Egypt means they've seen the genetic studies of Egypt, including Lower Egypt.,

Post that data, liars.

:))

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#2713 Jul 10, 2013
Curious Me wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to back your argument with the unproven basis that 'Blacks' were in North Africa before lighter skinned Caucasians, but all solid evidence points to the contrary.
You are also stretching the meaning of 'Black' to include early(30kya) dark Eurasians as being 'Black'.
Where have I even mentioned the word 'black'????? O_o

LMAO!! What evidence points to the contrary???? There were NO walking Caucasoid North African! You or your friend Barros still haven't posted ANY Autosomal DNA for population in the Maghreb during the paleolithic. Nor have you id*ots posted any physical remains(which all are African in origin).

Give it up Idi*t Me...There were NO WALKING PALE CAUCASOID in North Africa. During the Paleolithic most of the populations resembled Africans or Australian aborigines...Even EUROPEANS!!!

QUOTE:
Body proportions in Late Pleistocene Europe and modern human origins.

Body proportions covary with climate, apparently as the result of climatic selection. Ontogenic research and migrant studies have demonstrated that body proportions are largely genetically controlled and are under low selective rates; thus studies of body form can provide evidence for evolutionarily short-term dispersals and/or gene flow. Following these observations, competing models of modern human origins yield different predictions concerning body proportion shifts in Late Pleistocene Europe. Replacement predicts that the earliest modern Europeans will possess "tropical" body proportions (assuming Africa is the center of origin), while Regional Continuity permits only minor shifts in body shape, due to climatic change and/or improved cultural buffering. This study tests these predictions via analyses of osteometric data reflective of trunk height and breadth, limb proportions and relative body mass for samples of Early Upper Paleolithic (EUP), Late Upper Paleolithic (LUP) and Mesolithic (MES) humans and 13 recent African and European populations. Results reveal a clear tendency for the EUP sample to cluster with recent Africans, while LUP and MES samples cluster with recent Europeans.
Source:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9169992

QUOTE:
Brachial and crural indices of European late Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic humans.

"Among recent humans brachial and crural indices are positively correlated with mean annual temperature, such that high indices are found in tropical groups. However, despite inhabiting glacial Europe, the Upper Paleolithic Europeans possessed high indices, prompting Trinkaus (1981) to argue for gene flow from warmer regions associated with modern human emergence in Europe."

Quote:
"This study investigates three questions tied to the brachial and crural indices among Late Pleistocene and recent humans."

QUOTE:
"and thus, while the Late Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic humans have significantly higher (i.e., tropically-adapted) brachial and crural indices than do recent Europeans, they also have shorter (i.e., cold-adapted) limbs. The somewhat paradoxical retention of "tropical" indices in the context of more "cold-adapted" limb length is best explained as evidence for Replacement in the European Late Pleistocene, followed by gradual cold adaptation in glacial Europe."
Source:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10222169

And why the h3ll would Eurasian be in North Africa before indigenous Africans when North Africa is IN Africa and not only that Africans were living in the Maghreb BEFORE the OOA!!!!

You loon!

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#2714 Jul 10, 2013
Still afraid to post that genetic evidence, Mikey?

Afronazi liar EXPOSED!!!
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#2715 Jul 10, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
They did not. Simply and plain.
All Paleolithic, Holocene, Mesolithic and Neolithic remains cluster with other African remains, in limb ratio, limb portions etc.... As I have posted on numerous accounts.
Keep that in mind!
Middle Eastern people have only 15% E1b1b and less than 5% E1b1a. They have overwhelmingly Haplogroup J. They are more related to neanderthals than Sub-Saharan Africans! You always are claiming that their limbs are similar to Africans but their DNA says they are more related to neanderthals! This applies to Europeans as well! Something wrong somewhere! It must be those out of date scientists like Brace!
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2716 Jul 10, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll keep this in mind... you still fail to produce any genetic evidence.¡a ver el ADN!
Limb ratio, lol.
Hmmmm... and how do you know there is no U6 in Egypt? You've had to have seen genetic studies. And so you've seen what IS in Egypt... lol.
Yet you're quivering in fear every time I suggest that you post that data.
That is because:
Afronazi = LIAR
Yes, I have failed to produce something that doesn't exist. Keep that in mind. Dorky!

Btw, not even all Tamazight groups carry U6. It's only some,and those some carry it minimal, and that minimal is in a variaty from less to very less. LOL

Remember that!

Hummmm. Show me your highly "theorized" fossils and side scenes. I am still waiting. Why is it so hard?LOL

quote:
"During historic times, Berbers experienced a long and complicated history with many invasions, conquests, and migrations by Phoenicians, Romans, Vandals, Byzantines, Arabs, Bedouins, Spanish, Turks, Andalusians, sub-Saharans (communities settled in Jerba and Gabes in the 16th–19th centuries), and French (Brett and Fentress 1996). During these invasions, Berbers were forced back to the mountains and to certain villages in southern Tunisia"
--Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2004

quote:
..."it is important to bear in mind that over the centuries the Maghreb has been a melting-pot of many other ethnic groups and cultures"
--A history of the Maghrib in the Islamic period, By Jamil M. Abun-Nasr, Cambridge University Press, 1987 - page 5.

http://i48.tinypic.com/34soymc.png

http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w513/Amun...

Rif
Tafarsit
Ichebdanen
Ibuqquyen
Ait Wayagher
Aith 'Ammarth
Igzinnayen
Themsaman
Ait Tuzin
Aith Sa'id
Aith Wurishik
Iqer3ayen.
Ibdarsen
Ait Bouyahyi
Ait Tourish
Iznassen
Ayt Khaled
Ayt Menquch
Ayt Aâtiq
Ayt Urimmech
Chleuh
Ait namann
Ait Baha,
Biougra,
Bouzakern
Tiznit
Zimmur,
Ait Ndhir,
Ait Yusi,
Ait Warayin,
Iziyyan,
Ait Imyill,
Ait Mhand,
Ait Massad,
Ait Sukhman,
Ihansalen,
Ait Siddrat,
Ait 'Atta,
Ait Murghad,
Ait Hadiddu,
Ait Izdig,
Ait 'Ayyash,
Ait Saghrushshn
Ihahan,
Imtuggan,
Iseksawen,
Idemsiren,
Igundafen,
Igedmiwen,
Imsfiwen,
Iglawn,
Ait Wawzgit,
Id aw-Zaddagh,
Ind aw-Zal,
Id aw Zkri,
Isaffen,
Id aw-Kansus,
Isuktan,
Id aw-Tanan,
Ashtuken,
Malen,
Id aw-Ltit,
Ammeln,
Ait 'Ali,
Mjjat,
l-Akhsas,
Ait Ba 'Amran,
Ait n-Nuss.
Kabylie (Algeria)
IFLISSEN OUM EL LIL
MAATKA
AÏT AÏSSI
AÏT IRATEN
AÏT MENGUELLAT
AÏT BETHROUN
AÏT SEDKA
IGOUCHDAL
IFLISSEN LEBHAR
AÏT OUAGUENOUN
AÏT DJENNAD
AÏT IDJER
Beni Ziyyat
Beni Zejel
Beni Selman
Beni Bu Zra (ghomara tmazight speakers)
Beni Mansur
Beni Grir
Beni Smih
Beni Rzin
Sinhaja die tmazight spreken en/of darija
Aith seddat
aith khannus
zarqat
ktama
aith bshir
taghzut
beni bu shibt
Sinhaja (darija speakers).
Beni Gmil
Terguist
Mix Riffijns/Sinhaja
aith mazdui
Rif (darjia)
Bni Bu Frah
Mtiwa
Aith Yittuft
Bargwata
Casa blanca/ rabat
Tunisia
Djerba
Libya
Nefousa
Tuareg ( Sahara-general)
Tamashek
Tinariwen (Mali, Algiers en Mauritania)
Siwa(Egypte)
(Algiers)
Chaouia (North East)(Aurès mountains),
Chenoua (North central to the coast)
Mozabites (North Sahara)
(Tunisia)
Matmata

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#2717 Jul 10, 2013
Curious Me wrote:
<quoted text>
You completely ignore the fact that the Eurasian 'E-M78'(E-V13) was in the Levant 8 to 7 thousand years before any 'E-M78' ever made it down as far south as Somalia.

What does this have to do with anything??? E-M78 is STILL AFRICAN. E-M78 is a subclade of E-M215 which is not only African but arose in East Africa. E-V13 is not even found in Northeast Africa and was most likely carried by African looking people outside of Africa...So I don't get the point of this post really...
Curious Me wrote:
Also, the reason that the East African 'E-M78' of its own is not mixed with any Neanderthal DNA is because there was NO 'L3'mtDNA or 'E-M35'Y-DNA north of the Sahara before 20,000yrs ago and by that time all Neanderthal mixing was over.
Um...Since when do haplogroups become mixed with Neanderthal DNA???

And no L3 above the Sahara before 20,00yrs?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tNSFOhb_cGM/TxiojlP...
Curious Me wrote:
If there had been any Proto-'E-M78' in North Africa or further east into the Levant by 30,000yrs ago, then they too would have been mixed with Neanderthal and they would have carried that into Eastern sub-Saharan Africa, which they didn't.
1. Why are you keep bringing up Neanderthal mixture?
2. E-M78 arose in Egypt which is North Africa is it not?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
Curious Me wrote:
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Ado...
"The indigenous North African ancestry may have been more common in Berber populations and appears most closely related to populations outside of Africa, but divergence between Maghrebi peoples and Near Eastern/Europeans likely precedes the Holocene (>12,000 ya)."
"We also find significant signatures of sub-Saharan African ancestry that vary substantially among populations. These sub-Saharan ancestries appear to be a recent introduction into North African populations, dating to about 1,200 years ago in southern Morocco and about 750 years ago into Egypt, possibly reflecting the patterns of the trans-Saharan slave trade that occurred during this period."
•••
HAH!
So much for your so-called
"final 'proof' to end all debates".
LMAO!!! We already been over this and I already put this to rest!

1. What Sub Saharan population are they talking about??? There was NO SUCH THING AS A SAHARA BACK THEN!
2. Look at the 'Sub Saharan' populations they focus on in your study.
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/fetchObje...
^^^Nigerians??? Of course those type of Africans would not been found in North Africa. Cherry pick?
3. The Study does not show any fossil remains of these Eurasians nor does present any Autosomal DNA tests.
4. Like I said again all physical remains, tools and culture show AFRICAN.
QUOTE:
" bone tools and possible shell ornaments, suggest a closer affinity to other Late Pleistocene African Middle Stone Age industries rather than to the Middle Paleolithic of western Eurasia."
http://m.friendfeed-media.com/f0c1e1ca140a227...
5. Again what do they mean Africans being recent in North Africa when Africans been living in North Africa/Maghreb BEFORE THE OOA! Haplogroup A is STILL found in some Moroccan.

Again show me Autosomal DNA results and physical remains for the early Maghrebi population.

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#2718 Jul 10, 2013
@Idi*t Me

Also...

Shove this up your @$$!:D

Nuclear DNA

Moroccans = 62% African + 38% Eurasian (20% Asian + 18% European)
41.3% Northwest African
17.9% Mediterranean
16.2% Southwest Asian
14.6% West African
05.6% East African
03.6% Caucasus
00.4% South Asian
00.1% Far East
00.1% Siberian
00.1% Northern European
00.1% Southeast Asian
Source:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv...
http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/African...

Mozabites=90.9% African + 9.0%( 4.2% Asian + 9.6% European)
82.6% Northwest African
0.9% West African
4.2% Mediterranean
2.6% Southwest Asian
1.4% East African
1.2% Caucasus
0.6% North European
0.2% Gedrosia
0.1% South Asian
0.1% Far Asian
Source:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv...
http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/African...

Y-DNA=89.6% African

mtDNA=45.9% African
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozabite_people#...

Now get lost doggy!

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#2719 Jul 10, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
Still afraid to post that genetic evidence, Mikey?
Afronazi liar EXPOSED!!!
Actually ASKED YOU to post me Autosomal DNA test which YOU failed to do.

Why are you running away and side stepping Barros???:)

Eurofck lair EXPOSED!!!:)
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2720 Jul 10, 2013
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>Middle Eastern people have only 15% E1b1b and less than 5% E1b1a. They have overwhelmingly Haplogroup J. They are more related to neanderthals than Sub-Saharan Africans! You always are claiming that their limbs are similar to Africans but their DNA says they are more related to neanderthals! This applies to Europeans as well! Something wrong somewhere! It must be those out of date scientists like Brace!
There are a few things you don't understand. So I will explain it to you once more.

The distribution of Hg J deals with the expansion of Islam. Some Arab tribes seeked refuge in Africa, and some of them mixed with indigenous people/ locals. Therefore you will have a high sequence in some populations in Africa who carry this Hg J. You will also find a decline from east to west. The most common and consistent /steady West African Hg is: E-M81 which is a descendant from E-M35. Which is ironically sub Saharan. lol

Next time, don't forget to split up Hg J, as you do with Hg E. remember that, euronut!
Almoravid

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#2721 Jul 10, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
Still afraid to post that genetic evidence, Mikey?
Afronazi liar EXPOSED!!!
I have seen him post genetic evidence of modern Northeast and Northwest Africans on multiple occasions.

However, I haven't seen you post any evidence on Northwest or Northeast African fossil records.

I interpret this as you being afraid.

But I do know from where you got your theory. It's from outdated racist Eurocentric sources. Which claimed white/ caucasoid superiority. This is one of the mean reasons why you have opted this term so frequent.

And the coward you are, has used multiple screen names, to force and impose your opinion.

Only to get debunked!LOL

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#2722 Jul 10, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
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Yeah, I know.
See, now that other mentally ill patient has been released from the mental institution. He doesn't realize that V13 is a dispersed mutation of Africans who left Africa. However V13 is basically not found in Norteast Africa.
The mostly likely scenario is that the Natufians carried this V13 in the first place. And that this mutation occurred in the Mideast due to diet and climate adaption. As the climate fluctuated in the Levant during those days. Since the LMA did just end.
And even his cartoons are debunking himself. LOL
Later more...
Agreed!

These losers get sillier and sillier the more they post.

E-V13 is not African than in no shape and form is U6 Eurasian. D*[email protected]$$ Barros doesn't understand genetics or haplogroups. He doesn't understand that mutations happen.

Let us post this yet again...

QUOTE:
"We report here 24 M1 and 33 U6 new complete mtDNA
sequences that allow us to refine the existing
phylogeny of these haplogroups. The resulting
phylogenetic information was used to genotype a
further 131 M1 and 91 U6 samples to determine the
geographic spread of their sub-clades. No southwest
Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered. U6
and M1 frequencies in North Africa, the Middle East and
Europe do not follow similar patterns, and their sub-
clade divisions do not appear to be compatible with
their shared history reaching back to the Early Upper
Palaeolithic."
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471...

If no specific Asian clades were found for U6 wouldn't that mean a mutation happened???
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2723 Jul 10, 2013
big mike M wrote:
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Actually ASKED YOU to post me Autosomal DNA test which YOU failed to do.
Why are you running away and side stepping Barros???:)
Eurofck lair EXPOSED!!!:)
Yes, thus far I have seen, it was you who proposed this question in the first place.

I mean, you had the question summed up so many times within each post. The only exit for Barros is to divert the subject.

“DANGER!!”

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#2724 Jul 10, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
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What you need to do is stop posting 18th century cartoons. It's laughable at best.
To WHAT "18th century cartoons" are you referring, JÁÇKØFF.

I certainly have presented no such thing.

If anything, such pseudo-evidence is strictly the province of pathetic mørøns like YOU.

Spare me the THEORETICAL MUMBO-JUMBO of so-called "tropical adapted" whatever.

Even if you want desperately to refer to the Ethiopid as "tropical adapted", it is STILL a fool's proposition,ÁSS HÓLE.

The Ethiopid is actually noted for having a body which is QUITE unlike that of the W/Central sub-Saharan African, and it is actually Identical to that of the 'J1'Y-Hg Arab, and Arabs are Caucasian.

They are NOT 'White' but then only a mørøn like you clings to the ignorant opinion that the term, "White", is a legitimate anthropological term.

Reddish dark-brown Arabs, and Berbers, and even most true Egyptians are OVERWHELMINGLY CAUCASIAN.

Your so-called 'argument' about "tropical adaptation" is a fools gambit.

None of North Africa is tropical and there is insurmountable evidence that there were and have been Caucasians throughout all of North Africa since 30,000yrs ago...it's called 'U6'mtDNA.

Calling 'U6'mtDNA African isn't gonna stop it from being Caucasian, and all Caucasian DNA was mixed with the cold climate Neanderthal way before 30,000yrs ago, and that is most likely what makes them Caucasian regardless of skin pigmentation.

Those are the irrefutable facts and that is ALL that is needed to shove you back in the shítter where you belong.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GhV7vZ-zk_g/TtWrU1r...

The Apache, the Navajo, the Yaki, and the Pueblo lived in just exactly the same sun exposure band as the Egyptians and North Africans of the Maghrib, and THEY were reddish-brown complected like the Egyptians and most of the Maghrib Berbers.

They are no more 'Black' or Negroïd than any true Arab or Berber.

Obviously some Egyptians did mix with with Ethiopids but Ethiopid DNA is just not as dominant as Negroïd DNA, so no big 'diff' there, for the most part.

That's why the Egyptians DID NOT depict themselves as Negroïds.

THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE.

“Try harder :)”

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#2725 Jul 10, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
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I have seen him post genetic evidence of modern Northeast and Northwest Africans on multiple occasions.
However, I haven't seen you post any evidence on Northwest or Northeast African fossil records.
I interpret this as you being afraid.
But I do know from where you got your theory. It's from outdated racist Eurocentric sources. Which claimed white/ caucasoid superiority. This is one of the mean reasons why you have opted this term so frequent.
And the coward you are, has used multiple screen names, to force and impose your opinion.
Only to get debunked!LOL
Who cares what the desperate Eurofck Barros thinks. He's obviously shared to post any since I asked him multiple times to post Autosomal DNA results which shows admixture...

Just let him and the other Eurofcks keep bumping this thread so everyone else can see the evidence posted in this thread. They're basically helping us if you think about it.:)

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