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#2596 Jul 8, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a rather interesting topic,
Pre-Colonial Rukwa: Ngoni Raiders, Arab Traders, and "Little Wars"
The first Ngoni warriors invaded southern Tanzania in the late 1830s, setting the stage for an extremely violent nineteenth century.The Ngoni are typically described as having an origin in southern Africa.Using infantry techniques developed by Zulu warriors, they made their way into what is now Tanzania in the 1830s from bases in Malawi.As Koponen notes, though, presumably as with other marauders in nineteenth century Tanzania, the Ngoni (also called Watuta) were warriors who had origins in many places.[51] Indeed, Koponen believes that only a few hundred of the 16,000-20,000 invading Ngoni in the early nineteenth century actually originated in South Africa.As with ruga-ruga, most Ngoni were refugees, former slaves, conquered peoples, adventurers and others who had joined for any number of reasons as the invaders pushed northward.[52]
http://www.africa.ufl.edu/asq/v11/v11i1a3.htm
http://allthingsngoni.wordpress.com/page/10/
http://www.llmap.org/maps/by-code/swah.html
It is an interesting topic.

So most Ngoni people were former slaves, refugees and conquered!? O_o

Meanwhile delusional psychopathic Eurofcks like Barros want us to believe they are the most vicious people.-__-
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2598 Jul 8, 2013
Recap,

Cro-Magnons existed from 45 Kya to about 15 Kya.

Hg H => "Possible time of origin" 20,000-25,000 YBP

And here we can witness the "I need to go back to the drawing table" thesis.

"Estimates put the TMRCA and origin of haplogroup I at 24-28kya,"

http://picturestack.com/173/146/zuuSchermafbe...

-->Haplogroup I is a descendent of suprahaplogroup F (encompassing haplogroup descendents G-T, see Figure 3).

Haplogroup F is thought to represent a second and later stage of human migration out of Africa 50 thousand <--years ago (kya)(see Figures 4 and 5).

[...]

-->Haplogroup I persisted in Europe during the last glacial maximum (LGM, 18-20kya) that covered a large portion of Europe and pushed the habitable range of humans southward.(see Figures 4 and 5) Estimates put the TMRCA and origin of haplogroup I at 24-28kya, coinciding with the success of Gravettian and Aurignacian cultures (both named for archaeological sites in France) that spread over Europe. <--

http://www.genebase.com/learning/article/12

Therefore it becomes now clear, why:

Qoute:
In modern humans, this elongation is a pattern characteristic of warm-adapted populations, and this physique may be an early Cro-Magnon retention from African ancestors. Similar retentions may be observed in certain indices of facial shape ...
--Encyclopedia of Human Evolution and Prehistory: Second Edition by Eric Delson

Quote:
"Molecular biology has traced the ancestry of the Cro-Magnons deep into&#65279; tropical Africa, into the territory of the hypothetical African Eve"...
--Cro-Magnon:How the Ice Age Gave Birth to the First Modern Humans, By Brian Fagan,pg 89 (2010).

Quote:
The estimates of their dates overlap (around fifth thousand years ago) and they both probably lived in northeast Africa. Africa? Yes, Africa. Although nearly all EUrasian mtDNA and Y chromosomes currently existing can be traced back to L3 and M168 respectively, M168 and L3 also had African descendants."
--Norman A. Johnson (2007) Darwinian Detectives: Revealing the Natural History of Genes and Genomes pg100

Quote:
Early Europeans still resembled modern tropical peoples - some resemble modern Australian and Africans, more than modern Europeans.. Nor does the picture get any clearer when we move on to the Cro-Magnons, the presumed ancestors of modern Europeans. Some were more like present-day Australians or Africans, judged by objective anatomical observations." (Christopher Stringer, Robin McKie (1998). African Exodus. Macmillan, p. 162)

Quote:
Indeed, the haplogroups to which the Cro-Magnon type sequences appear to belong are rare among modern samples, and therefore their frequencies are poorly estimated
--David Caramelli†, et al.
Evidence for a genetic discontinuity between Neandertals and 24,000-year-old anatomically modern Europeans

Quote:
"...the Cro-Magnons, the presumed ancestors of modern Europeans....were more like present-day Australians or Africans..."
--Chris Stringer, African Exodus ((Michael Witzel, The Origins of the World's Mythologies) 2013)
http://tinyurl.com/na595yr
Oxford University Press,

Quote:
If this analysis shows nothing else, it demonstrates that the oft-repeated [...]European feeling that the Cro-Magnons are “us”(46) is more a product of anthropological folklore than the result of the metric data available from the skeletal remains[...]
--C. Brace
Bmt

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#2599 Jul 8, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a load of political rhetoric with little meaning, fool.
If Africa is the black man's continent, then isn't Europe the white man's subcontinent?
In which case, why are you in Sweden, fool?
Dumb ass.
Europe is white man's land Einstein. I have not claimed an inch of european soil like boers try to claim SA. What are you, india- mestizo, what are you anyways?
trollslayer

Chicago, IL

#2601 Jul 8, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
You make no sense here. Usually you just lie and get $hit wrong, but here you're not even intelligible.
What book?
Racism was created by Euroimperialists to rationalize their abuse of the 3rd world, of non-Europeans. Before that racism as we know it did not exist in Europe. The hatred there was for ethnic groups or Muslims, due to warfare. Antisemitism existed, especially since 1000 ad. But racism? No.
One's environment shapes what? LOL... try stating that in an anthro class and watch the reaction, fool. LOL!!! That is so outmoded, so wrong, so ridiculous.
You think if it snows where I live, that will make me a vicious racist imperialist? LOL!!!
One environment you shouldn't have left so early is that of the SCHOOL!
Stupid dropout.
...lol u retard, the book "Iceman" by Bradley. You know the white guy you called "afronazi". The white who tells the truth so 'barros' proclaims he "hates himself". No wonder ur wife left u. If ur 1/10 the idiot in here that u were with her, the poor woman deserves a Nobel Peace prize.
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#2602 Jul 8, 2013
Bmt wrote:
<quoted text>
Africa is black mans continent be it South Africa or north Africa.
The Khoisan were the original people of SA. Other Bantu came from else where and killed them and took the land. Africans ARE NOT all the same people and are very tribal! There are nations of whites living in North Africa like the Berbers of Algeria.

Sinajuavi
Level 6

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#2603 Jul 8, 2013
big mike M wrote:
<quoted text>
It is an interesting topic.
So most Ngoni people were former slaves, refugees and conquered!? O_o
Meanwhile delusional psychopathic Eurofcks like Barros want us to believe they are the most vicious people.-__-
You, racist turd, wish to claim that the Bantu, as well as all Africans, were peaceful and in harmony with nature and without sin...

LOL!!!

Who was procuring all the slaves in East Africa for the Arabs, you fool? Whitey? LOL!!!

You're an idiot. You're arguing with yourself, posting long irrelevancies, often punking your own case with your citations, and generally displaying just what a ridiculous racist cultist Afronazi pseudo-intellectual liar you really are.

Piss off.

You are not a Hebrew.

Sinajuavi
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Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#2604 Jul 8, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
...lol u retard, the book "Iceman" by Bradley. You know the white guy you called "afronazi". The white who tells the truth so 'barros' proclaims he "hates himself". No wonder ur wife left u. If ur 1/10 the idiot in here that u were with her, the poor woman deserves a Nobel Peace prize.
LOL... whenever you're especially desperate you start making up a personal life for me, lol...

Are you gonna tell me next to “take my meds”?

Iceman Inheritance is 100% bulldooky, boy. There is no science substantiating any of that Euro-hating racist crap.

Do you suffer from heidelbergensis inheritance, boy?

Sinajuavi
Level 6

Since: Nov 11

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#2605 Jul 8, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
The page says.
First sentence:
-Ngoni Bantu peoples displaced the original Khoisan hunter-gatherer population in today’s Mozambique,
Second sentence:
-and as early as the tenth century engaged with Arabs in trade of gold and slaves from the interior.
And if we were to interpret this paragraph as boso does, then. The Portuguese explorers enslaved the San as well.
"Portuguese explorers arrived in 1498 and, exploiting the slave and gold trade, soon initiated nearly five centuries of colonial rule."
Did the Portuguese enslave no Khoisan?

The Bantu genocide and enslavement of Khoisan was earlier than the Portuguese presence, however, for the most part.

And how interesting that you Afronazis are admitting that yes the Ngoni engaged extensively in slaving, lol.

Pfffft goes the myth of the noble savage African in harmony with the universe, peaceful and sinless.

You Afronazi clowns.
LION

Charlotte, NC

#2606 Jul 8, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
I think since blacks were 1st it would be the caucasion and eurasions who carry the African dna sequence. Nothing started with caucasions and eurasions
exactly
LION

Charlotte, NC

#2607 Jul 8, 2013
Triceroy wrote:
<quoted text>
That's because ALL genetics are African and only a mental midget denies and fails to comprehend the reality of mankind. Our offspring have become weak, pale and sickly, due to the failure of their endocrine system. It's what the Bible calls "inhereted sin" and what scientists refer to as "birth defects". It is true, we are one peoples. There is only one race. But the white boy lies, just as prophecied, so we can be divided and gathered for war on that last day.
With all due respect, it was the climate adjustment that causes black to turn into other races.
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#2608 Jul 8, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
Recap,
Cro-Magnons existed from 45 Kya to about 15 Kya.
Hg H => "Possible time of origin" 20,000-25,000 YBP
And here we can witness the "I need to go back to the drawing table" thesis.
"Estimates put the TMRCA and origin of haplogroup I at 24-28kya,"
http://picturestack.com/173/146/zuuSchermafbe...
-->Haplogroup I is a descendent of suprahaplogroup F (encompassing haplogroup descendents G-T, see Figure 3).
Haplogroup F is thought to represent a second and later stage of human migration out of Africa 50 thousand <--years ago (kya)(see Figures 4 and 5).
[...]
-->Haplogroup I persisted in Europe during the last glacial maximum (LGM, 18-20kya) that covered a large portion of Europe and pushed the habitable range of humans southward.(see Figures 4 and 5) Estimates put the TMRCA and origin of haplogroup I at 24-28kya, coinciding with the success of Gravettian and Aurignacian cultures (both named for archaeological sites in France) that spread over Europe. <--
http://www.genebase.com/learning/article/12
Therefore it becomes now clear, why:
Qoute:
In modern humans, this elongation is a pattern characteristic of warm-adapted populations, and this physique may be an early Cro-Magnon retention from African ancestors. Similar retentions may be observed in certain indices of facial shape ...
--Encyclopedia of Human Evolution and Prehistory: Second Edition by Eric Delson
Quote:
"Molecular biology has traced the ancestry of the Cro-Magnons deep into&#65279; tropical Africa, into the territory of the hypothetical African Eve"...
--Cro-Magnon:How the Ice Age Gave Birth to the First Modern Humans, By Brian Fagan,pg 89 (2010).
Quote:
The estimates of their dates overlap (around fifth thousand years ago) and they both probably lived in northeast Africa. Africa? Yes, Africa. Although nearly all EUrasian mtDNA and Y chromosomes currently existing can be traced back to L3 and M168 respectively, M168 and L3 also had African descendants."
--Norman A. Johnson (2007) Darwinian Detectives: Revealing the Natural History of Genes and Genomes pg100
Quote:
Early Europeans still resembled modern tropical peoples - some resemble modern Australian and Africans, more than modern Europeans.. Nor does the picture get any clearer when we move on to the Cro-Magnons, the presumed ancestors of modern Europeans. Some were more like present-day Australians or Africans, judged by objective anatomical observations." (Christopher Stringer, Robin McKie (1998). African Exodus. Macmillan, p. 162)
Quote:
Indeed, the haplogroups to which the Cro-Magnon type sequences appear to belong are rare among modern samples, and therefore their frequencies are poorly estimated
--David Caramelli†, et al.
Evidence for a genetic discontinuity between Neandertals and 24,000-year-old anatomically modern Europeans
Quote:
"...the Cro-Magnons, the presumed ancestors of modern Europeans....were more like present-day Australians or Africans..."
--Chris Stringer, African Exodus ((Michael Witzel, The Origins of the World's Mythologies) 2013)
http://tinyurl.com/na595yr
Oxford University Press,
Quote:
If this analysis shows nothing else, it demonstrates that the oft-repeated [...]European feeling that the Cro-Magnons are “us”(46) is more a product of anthropological folklore than the result of the metric data available from the skeletal remains[...]
--C. Brace
Cro-Magnon originated from NEANDERTHALS AND AFRICANS IN ASIA! How could they have come from Africa? Africans DO NOT carry neanderthal DNA! Neanderthals didnt breed with Africans in Africa so its impossible for Cro-Magnon to have originated in Africa! Where are these Cro-Magnon skeletons in Sub-Saharan Africa?
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#2609 Jul 8, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
Recap,
Cro-Magnons existed from 45 Kya to about 15 Kya.
Hg H => "Possible time of origin" 20,000-25,000 YBP
And here we can witness the "I need to go back to the drawing table" thesis.
"Estimates put the TMRCA and origin of haplogroup I at 24-28kya,"
http://picturestack.com/173/146/zuuSchermafbe...
-->Haplogroup I is a descendent of suprahaplogroup F (encompassing haplogroup descendents G-T, see Figure 3).
Haplogroup F is thought to represent a second and later stage of human migration out of Africa 50 thousand <--years ago (kya)(see Figures 4 and 5).
[...]
-->Haplogroup I persisted in Europe during the last glacial maximum (LGM, 18-20kya) that covered a large portion of Europe and pushed the habitable range of humans southward.(see Figures 4 and 5) Estimates put the TMRCA and origin of haplogroup I at 24-28kya, coinciding with the success of Gravettian and Aurignacian cultures (both named for archaeological sites in France) that spread over Europe. <--
http://www.genebase.com/learning/article/12
Therefore it becomes now clear, why:
Qoute:
In modern humans, this elongation is a pattern characteristic of warm-adapted populations, and this physique may be an early Cro-Magnon retention from African ancestors. Similar retentions may be observed in certain indices of facial shape ...
--Encyclopedia of Human Evolution and Prehistory: Second Edition by Eric Delson
Quote:
"Molecular biology has traced the ancestry of the Cro-Magnons deep into&#65279; tropical Africa, into the territory of the hypothetical African Eve"...
--Cro-Magnon:How the Ice Age Gave Birth to the First Modern Humans, By Brian Fagan,pg 89 (2010).
Quote:
The estimates of their dates overlap (around fifth thousand years ago) and they both probably lived in northeast Africa. Africa? Yes, Africa. Although nearly all EUrasian mtDNA and Y chromosomes currently existing can be traced back to L3 and M168 respectively, M168 and L3 also had African descendants."
--Norman A. Johnson (2007) Darwinian Detectives: Revealing the Natural History of Genes and Genomes pg100
Quote:
Early Europeans still resembled modern tropical peoples - some resemble modern Australian and Africans, more than modern Europeans.. Nor does the picture get any clearer when we move on to the Cro-Magnons, the presumed ancestors of modern Europeans. Some were more like present-day Australians or Africans, judged by objective anatomical observations." (Christopher Stringer, Robin McKie (1998). African Exodus. Macmillan, p. 162)
Quote:
Indeed, the haplogroups to which the Cro-Magnon type sequences appear to belong are rare among modern samples, and therefore their frequencies are poorly estimated
--David Caramelli†, et al.
Evidence for a genetic discontinuity between Neandertals and 24,000-year-old anatomically modern Europeans
Quote:
"...the Cro-Magnons, the presumed ancestors of modern Europeans....were more like present-day Australians or Africans..."
--Chris Stringer, African Exodus ((Michael Witzel, The Origins of the World's Mythologies) 2013)
http://tinyurl.com/na595yr
Oxford University Press,
Quote:
If this analysis shows nothing else, it demonstrates that the oft-repeated [...]European feeling that the Cro-Magnons are “us”(46) is more a product of anthropological folklore than the result of the metric data available from the skeletal remains[...]
--C. Brace
Neanderthals bred with Africans in Asia producing Cro-Magnon. Africans do not have neanderthal DNA! Where are all these Cro-Magnon skeletons in Sub-Saharan Africa? Dont talk about North African Cro_magnon. They were known to have come from the Middle East!
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#2610 Jul 9, 2013
Waiting where are all these Cro-Magnon skeletons in Africa waiting.......
www.racialreality.blogspot.com/2011/02/cro-ma...

If Cro-Magnon was black African please explain very slowly to me why it is Europeans/Middle Eastern people have less than 5% Sub-Saharan DNA....they are more related to neanderthals!
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2611 Jul 9, 2013
big mike M wrote:
<quoted text>
What does the date have to do with anything??? Do you have anything that debunks it???
What about this???
Detailed modern cranial studies show Cro-magnon crania clustering
AWAY from today’s Europeans. Brace 2005 testedthe “Cro-magnid”
claim and found it “folklore.” QUOTE: "When canonical variates are
plotted, neither sample ties in with Cro-Magnon as was once suggested...
If this analysis shows nothing else, it demonstrates that the oft-repeated
European feeling that the Cro-Magnons are “us”(46) is more a product of
anthropological folklore than the result of the metric data available from
the skeletal remains..."
--CL. Brace 2005. The Questionable contribution of the Neolithic to
European craniofacial form
Several Upper Paleolithic European specimens show high cural
indices in limb proportions- more akin to dark-skinned tropical Africans
than today’s Europeans, who show lower cural indices. QUOTE:
"As with all the other limb/trunk indices, the recent Europeans evince
lower indices, reflective of shorter tibiae, and the recent sub-Saharan
Africans have higher indices, reflective of their long tibiae... The Dolno
Vestonice and Pavlov humans.. have body proportions similar to those of
other Gravettian specimens. Specifically, they are characterized by high
bracial and cural indices, indicative of distal limb segment elongation..
.. as a whole, in body shape the Gravettian sample (including most of the
specimens from Dolni Vestonice and Pavlov) are morphologically closer to
the recent Africans than to the recent Europeans. In many cases, recent
Europeans of the same sex with index values identical to the Dolbi
Vestonice and Pavlov individuals are rare indeed. Therefore the overall
pattern that emerges is that the Gravettian himans, despite living in
Europe during a glacial period, evince relatively tropically adapted
physiques (Trinkhaus, 1981; Ruff, 1994; Holliday, 1997a, 1999). The
limb and body proportions of the Dolni Vestonice and (to a lesser degree)
Pavlov fossils conform well to this overall pattern."
--Trinkaus and Svoboda. 2005. Early Modern Human Evolution in Central
Europe]
It becomes even more interesting when you look at the dates:

Cro-Magnons existed from 45 Kya to about 15 Kya.

Hg H => "Possible time of origin" 20,000-25,000 YBP

And here we can witness the "I need to go back to the drawing table" thesis.

"Estimates put the TMRCA and origin of haplogroup I at 24-28kya,"

http://picturestack.com/173/146/zuuSchermafbe...

-->Haplogroup I is a descendent of suprahaplogroup F (encompassing haplogroup descendents G-T, see Figure 3).

Haplogroup F is thought to represent a second and later stage of human migration out of Africa 50 thousand <--years ago (kya)(see Figures 4 and 5).

[...]

-->Haplogroup I persisted in Europe during the last glacial maximum (LGM, 18-20kya) that covered a large portion of Europe and pushed the habitable range of humans southward.(see Figures 4 and 5) Estimates put the TMRCA and origin of haplogroup I at 24-28kya, coinciding with the success of Gravettian and Aurignacian cultures (both named for archaeological sites in France) that spread over Europe. <--

http://www.genebase.com/learning/article/12
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2612 Jul 9, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
...lol u retard, the book "Iceman" by Bradley. You know the white guy you called "afronazi". The white who tells the truth so 'barros' proclaims he "hates himself". No wonder ur wife left u. If ur 1/10 the idiot in here that u were with her, the poor woman deserves a Nobel Peace prize.
Perhaps Bradley named the title of the book that way, because Europeans have lived in Europe during the ice age for such a long time. This seems the most logical explanation to me. What do you think?

“Try harder :)”

Level 8

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#2613 Jul 9, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
You, racist turd, wish to claim that the Bantu, as well as all Africans, were peaceful and in harmony with nature and without sin...
LOL!!!
Who was procuring all the slaves in East Africa for the Arabs, you fool? Whitey? LOL!!!
You're an idiot. You're arguing with yourself, posting long irrelevancies, often punking your own case with your citations, and generally displaying just what a ridiculous racist cultist Afronazi pseudo-intellectual liar you really are.
Piss off.
You are not a Hebrew.
Still no evidence, but projection and desperation.

I see you couldn't debunk/address these two posts. LMAO!!!

http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TF2UGEI0UJU1N...

http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TF2UGEI0UJU1N...

Give up mister Eurofck, no one cares what you say...

“Try harder :)”

Level 8

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#2614 Jul 9, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
It becomes even more interesting when you look at the dates:
Cro-Magnons existed from 45 Kya to about 15 Kya.
Hg H => "Possible time of origin" 20,000-25,000 YBP
And here we can witness the "I need to go back to the drawing table" thesis.
"Estimates put the TMRCA and origin of haplogroup I at 24-28kya,"
http://picturestack.com/173/146/zuuSchermafbe...
-->Haplogroup I is a descendent of suprahaplogroup F (encompassing haplogroup descendents G-T, see Figure 3).
Haplogroup F is thought to represent a second and later stage of human migration out of Africa 50 thousand <--years ago (kya)(see Figures 4 and 5).
[...]
-->Haplogroup I persisted in Europe during the last glacial maximum (LGM, 18-20kya) that covered a large portion of Europe and pushed the habitable range of humans southward.(see Figures 4 and 5) Estimates put the TMRCA and origin of haplogroup I at 24-28kya, coinciding with the success of Gravettian and Aurignacian cultures (both named for archaeological sites in France) that spread over Europe. <--
http://www.genebase.com/learning/article/12
Agreed.

People seem to forget that over time the Cro-Magnon became more Eurasian. The Cro-Magnon pre-dates most European haplogroups.

But more importantly....
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/...
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2615 Jul 9, 2013
big mike M wrote:
<quoted text>
It is an interesting topic.
So most Ngoni people were former slaves, refugees and conquered!? O_o
Meanwhile delusional psychopathic Eurofcks like Barros want us to believe they are the most vicious people.-__-
Reply »|Report Abuse|Judge it!|#25949 hrs ago
Judged:111
big mike M wrote:
<quoted text>

And yet still no evidence of Bantu people enslaving Khoisan people. Stop with the games...
It's a rather interesting topic,

Pre-Colonial Rukwa: Ngoni Raiders, Arab Traders, and "Little Wars"
The first Ngoni warriors invaded southern Tanzania in the late 1830s, setting the stage for an extremely violent nineteenth century.

*The Ngoni are typically described as having an origin in southern Africa.Using infantry techniques developed by Zulu warriors, they made their way into what is now Tanzania in the 1830s from bases in Malawi.

As Koponen notes, though, presumably as with other marauders in nineteenth century Tanzania, the Ngoni (also called Watuta) were warriors who had origins in many places.[51]

*Indeed, Koponen believes that only a few hundred of the 16,000-20,000 invading Ngoni in the early nineteenth century actually originated in South Africa.

As with ruga-ruga, most Ngoni were refugees, former slaves, conquered peoples, adventurers and others who had joined for any number of reasons as the invaders pushed northward.[52]

http://www.africa.ufl.edu/asq/v11/v11i1a3.htm

http://allthingsngoni.wordpress.com/page/10/

http://www.llmap.org/maps/by-code/swah.html

Yes, certainly the notes.*. The source is typical Afronazi like. The university of Florida, center of Africana studies. s/c
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2616 Jul 9, 2013
Something went wrong in the previous post, therefore I repost.
big mike M wrote:
<quoted text>
It is an interesting topic.
So most Ngoni people were former slaves, refugees and conquered!? O_o
Meanwhile delusional psychopathic Eurofcks like Barros want us to believe they are the most vicious people.-__-
Pre-Colonial Rukwa: Ngoni Raiders, Arab Traders, and "Little Wars"
The first Ngoni warriors invaded southern Tanzania in the late 1830s, setting the stage for an extremely violent nineteenth century.

*The Ngoni are typically described as having an origin in southern Africa.Using infantry techniques developed by Zulu warriors, they made their way into what is now Tanzania in the 1830s from bases in Malawi.

As Koponen notes, though, presumably as with other marauders in nineteenth century Tanzania, the Ngoni (also called Watuta) were warriors who had origins in many places.[51]

*Indeed, Koponen believes that only a few hundred of the 16,000-20,000 invading Ngoni in the early nineteenth century actually originated in South Africa.

As with ruga-ruga, most Ngoni were refugees, former slaves, conquered peoples, adventurers and others who had joined for any number of reasons as the invaders pushed northward.[52]

http://www.africa.ufl.edu/asq/v11/v11i1a3.htm

http://allthingsngoni.wordpress.com/page/10/

http://www.llmap.org/maps/by-code/swah.html

Yes, certainly the notes.*. The source is typical Afronazi like. The university of Florida, center of Africana studies. s/c
Bmt

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#2617 Jul 9, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
Did the Portuguese enslave no Khoisan?
The Bantu genocide and enslavement of Khoisan was earlier than the Portuguese presence, however, for the most part.
And how interesting that you Afronazis are admitting that yes the Ngoni engaged extensively in slaving, lol.
Pfffft goes the myth of the noble savage African in harmony with the universe, peaceful and sinless.
You Afronazi clowns.
Isolated cases of bantus driving san people off does not equal genocide. They lived totally different life styles. San living in a nomadic life style whiljhkuike bantus were settled farmers. Problems between the two arose when San, hunter-gatherers, began poaching bantu cattle when they could not get any wild life. The concept of owning animal or property was alien to San people.

But as you can see some San people chose to assimilate into the bantus.

http://www.chronicle.co.zw/wp-content/uploads...

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