The Ancient Egyptians were black! Fin...

Sinajuavi
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#2265 Jul 3, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
Nazlet Khate provides the most ancient sample of Northeast Africa. PIOINT BLANK! IT PROVES THAT SOUTHERN EGYPTIANS ARE INDIGENOUS TO AFRICA!
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Nazlet Khater falls closer to the Late Palaeolithic Nubian samples ... If an ancestral descendant relationship existed between Nazlet Khater and the Late Palaeolithic Nubian specimens, then regional continuity persisted among the Upper/Late Pleistocene populations of the Upper Nile region. The Nazlet Khater specimen is part of a relict population which is a descendant of a larger sub-Saharan stock, which extended as far north as present day upper Egypt sometime during the Last Interglacial period, or the early part of the Last Glacial period. In such a scenario, the Nazlet Khater belongs to a relict population which retained some of the morphological features [form & structure] that were present among Middle Stone Age populations, but no longer present in other contemporaneous sub-Saharan and North African populations.---The Position of the Nazlet Khater Specimen Among Prehistoric and Modern African and Levantine Populations, Ron Pinhasi, Departent of Biological Anthropology, University of Cambridge, U.K., Patrick Semal, Belgian Institute of Natural Sciences, Belgium; Journal of Human Evolution (2000) vol. 39, 269–288.
The Upper Palaeolithic Lithic Industry of Nazlet Khater 4 (Egypt): Implications for the Stone Age/Palaeolithic of Northeastern Africa
Authors: Leplongeon, Alice1; Pleurdeau, David2
Source: African Archaeological Review, Volume 28, Number 3, September 2011, pp. 213-236(24)
Abstract:
Between Marine Isotope Stage (MIS) 4 and 2, Northeast Africa witnessed migrations of Homo sapiens into Eurasia. Within the context of the aridification of the Sahara, the Nile Valley probably offered a very attractive corridor into Eurasia. This region and this period are therefore central for the (pre)history of the out-of-Africa peopling of modern humans. However, there are very few sites from the beginning of the Upper Palaeolithic that document these migration events. In Egypt, the site of Nazlet Khater 4 (NK4), which is related to ancient H. sapiens quarrying activities, is one of them.
-->>Its lithic assemblage shows an important laminar component, and this, associated with its chronological position (ca. 33 ka), means that the site is the most ancient Upper Palaeolithic sites of this region.<<--
The detailed study of the Nazlet Khater 4 lithic material shows that blade production (volumetric reduction) is also associated with flake production (surface reduction). This technological duality addresses the issue of direct attribution of NK4 to the Upper Palaeolithic.
Southern Egyptians. Upper Egypt.

Why do you repeatedly mention Nazlet Khater when discussing Lower Egypt?

You've been caught in yet another Afronazi LIE!!!
trollslayer

Munster, IN

#2266 Jul 3, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
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The funniest thing Barros will say is: "your" ancestor looked nothing like you "modern (negro) Africans". And right after that he will say, eurasians have been in North Africa 30 Kya and have always looked the same. LOL
When you ask for evidence in fossil records...???? LOL
He also likes to promote Europe and the "mideast" as ALWAYS being white or looking like the SAME PPL. of today. AND that ancient Africans NEVER set foot in Europe....even though WE KNOW Africans were the 1st WORLD SETTLERS. LOL.....it's all called troll manipulation to fit a eurocentric pre-post, colonial, racist, divide & conquer agenda. DISAGREE with it and YOU or any of us become....."black militants" or "afronuts"
trollslayer

Munster, IN

#2267 Jul 3, 2013
The Palermo Stone tells the story of ancient Africans.....that means it has NOTHING to do with non-PPL. of color.

http://books.google.com/books...
African AE

Johannesburg, South Africa

#2268 Jul 3, 2013
What happened in ancient Egypt 30000 years ago? Or even 10000 years ago? Um ....... absolutely NOTHING! Okay they did paint some cave art with limited colours! Thats all they did! About 8000-5000 years ago the Neolithic farmers came in to Egypt. Sparks began to fly, civilization and pyramids suddenly appeared. Who is responsible for the pyramids and Egyptian civilization? MOST DEFINITELY THE EURASIAN NEOLITHIC FARMERS! Before that fat Nubians at on their butts all day swotting flies! Its only when the Middle Eastern Neolithic farmers came along that anything happened! So the Neolithic farmers PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN BUILDING THE PYRAMIDS. FACT!
African AE

Johannesburg, South Africa

#2269 Jul 3, 2013
So no matter who or what lived in ancient Egypt does not really matter! The fact is the builders of the pyramids and the fathers of Egyptian civilization were the Eurasian Neolithic Farmers! No wonder the early Pharaohs all look like Jews!
African AE

Johannesburg, South Africa

#2270 Jul 3, 2013
Asho wrote:
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How is egyptian/north african E-78 middle eastern? E1b1b is brother to west africa E1b1a. Are you implying that west africans come from middle esaterners?
I didnt say E1b1b is Middle Eastern dumb b*tch. Iv said all along ITS INDIGENOUS EGYPTIAN/LIBYAN! Middle Eastern indigenous Haplogroup is J which Egyptians carry because of the Middle Eastern Neolithic farmers who brought civilization to Egypt!
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2271 Jul 3, 2013
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>I didnt say E1b1b is Middle Eastern dumb b*tch. Iv said all along ITS INDIGENOUS EGYPTIAN/LIBYAN! Middle Eastern indigenous Haplogroup is J which Egyptians carry because of the Middle Eastern Neolithic farmers who brought civilization to Egypt!
LOL

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Within E-M35, there are striking parallels between two haplogroups, E-V68 and E-V257. Both contain a lineage which has been frequently observed in Africa (E-M78 and E-M81, respectively)[6],[8],[10],[13] –[16] and a group of undifferentiated chromosomes that are mostly found in southern Europe (Table S2). An expansion of E-M35 carriers, possibly from the Middle East as proposed by other Authors [14], and split into two branches separated by the geographic barrier of the Mediterranean Sea, would explain this geographic pattern.

->>However, the absence of E-V68* and E-V257* in the Middle East (Table S2) makes a maritime spread between northern Africa and southern Europe a more plausible hypothesis.<--

A detailed analysis of the Y chromosomal microsatellite variation associated with E-V68 and E-V257 could help in gaining a better understanding of the likely timing and place of origin of these two haplogroups.
--Beniamino Trombetta et al.(2011)

Repost,

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Using the principle of the phylogeographic parsimony, the resolution of the E1b1b trifurcation in favor of a common ancestor of E-M2 and E-M329 strongly supports the hypothesis that haplogroup E1b1 originated in eastern Africa, as previously suggested [10], and that chromosomes E-M2, so frequently observed in sub-Saharan Africa, trace their descent to a common ancestor present in eastern Africa.

[...]

Thirdly, most of the E1b1b1*(E-M35*) paragroup chromosomes are now marked by defining mutations, thus increasing the discriminative power of the haplogroup for use in human evolution and forensics.
--Beniamino Trombetta et al.

A New Topology of the Human Y Chromosome Haplogroup E1b1 (E-P2) Revealed through the Use of Newly Characterized Binary Polymorphisms (2011)

My people are the original carries of E-V68!
African AE

Johannesburg, South Africa

#2273 Jul 3, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL
Qoute:
quote:
Within E-M35, there are striking parallels between two haplogroups, E-V68 and E-V257. Both contain a lineage which has been frequently observed in Africa (E-M78 and E-M81, respectively)[6],[8],[10],[13] –[16] and a group of undifferentiated chromosomes that are mostly found in southern Europe (Table S2). An expansion of E-M35 carriers, possibly from the Middle East as proposed by other Authors [14], and split into two branches separated by the geographic barrier of the Mediterranean Sea, would explain this geographic pattern.
->>However, the absence of E-V68* and E-V257* in the Middle East (Table S2) makes a maritime spread between northern Africa and southern Europe a more plausible hypothesis.<--
A detailed analysis of the Y chromosomal microsatellite variation associated with E-V68 and E-V257 could help in gaining a better understanding of the likely timing and place of origin of these two haplogroups.
--Beniamino Trombetta et al.(2011)
Repost,
Quote:
Using the principle of the phylogeographic parsimony, the resolution of the E1b1b trifurcation in favor of a common ancestor of E-M2 and E-M329 strongly supports the hypothesis that haplogroup E1b1 originated in eastern Africa, as previously suggested [10], and that chromosomes E-M2, so frequently observed in sub-Saharan Africa, trace their descent to a common ancestor present in eastern Africa.
[...]
Thirdly, most of the E1b1b1*(E-M35*) paragroup chromosomes are now marked by defining mutations, thus increasing the discriminative power of the haplogroup for use in human evolution and forensics.
--Beniamino Trombetta et al.
A New Topology of the Human Y Chromosome Haplogroup E1b1 (E-P2) Revealed through the Use of Newly Characterized Binary Polymorphisms (2011)
My people are the original carries of E-V68!
Haplogroup J originates in THE MIDDLE EAST AND SPREAD THROUGHOUT EUROPE AND NORTH AFRICA BY THE EURASIAN NEOLITHIC FARMERS! Most Europeans/Middle Eastern people have virtually NO SUB-SAHARAN DNA showing they ARE NOT related to Sub-Saharan Africans at all! Another reason why ancient Egypt and North Africa were all Caucasoids AND NOT Sub-Saharan Africans!
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2274 Jul 3, 2013
Let us coherently put to getter what actually happened (without the constant interruption and bickering of euronuts) to the indigenous populations from the region, and this why "some old outdated" sources claimed mixed race people.

Recovering the process in a linear/ chronological way:

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In contrast, various researchers have noted a continuity in craniofacial variation from Mesolithic through Neolithic times.

This apparent continuity could be explained by in situ cultural evolution producing shifts in selective pressures which may act on teeth, the facial complex, and the cranial vault.

A series of 13 Mesolithic skulls from Wadi Halfa, Sudan, are compared to Nubian Neolithic remains by means of extended canonical analysis.

Results support recent research which suggests consistent trends of facial reduction and cranial vault expansion from Mesolithic through Neolithic times.
--Meredith F. Small* et al.
Journal of Human Evolution DOI:10.1016/S0047-2484(81)8001 3-9

Quote:
Between Marine Isotope Stage (MIS) 4 and 2, Northeast Africa witnessed migrations of Homo sapiens into Eurasia.

->>Within the context of the aridification of the Sahara, the Nile Valley probably offered a very attractive corridor into Eurasia.<<-

This region and this period are therefore central for the (pre)history of the out-of-Africa peopling of modern humans.

However, there are very few sites from the beginning of the Upper Palaeolithic that document these migration events.

In Egypt, the site of Nazlet Khater 4 (NK4), which is related to ancient H. sapiens quarrying activities, is one of them.

-->>Its lithic assemblage shows an important laminar component, and this, associated with its chronological position (ca. 33 ka), means that the site is the most ancient Upper Palaeolithic sites of this region.<<--

The detailed study of the Nazlet Khater 4 lithic material shows that blade production (volumetric reduction) is also associated with flake production (surface reduction). This technological duality addresses the issue of direct attribution of NK4 to the Upper Palaeolithic.
--Leplongeon, Alice1; Pleurdeau, David2
Source: African Archaeological Review, Volume 28, Number 3, September 2011, pp. 213-236(24)

Quote:
Nazlet Khater falls closer to the Late Palaeolithic Nubian samples ... If an ancestral descendant relationship existed between Nazlet Khater and the Late Palaeolithic Nubian specimens, then regional continuity persisted among the Upper/Late Pleistocene populations of the Upper Nile region. The Nazlet Khater specimen is part of a relict population which is a descendant of a larger sub-Saharan stock, which extended as far north as present day upper Egypt sometime during the Last Interglacial period, or the early part of the Last Glacial period. In such a scenario, the Nazlet Khater belongs to a relict population which retained some of the morphological features [form & structure] that were present among Middle Stone Age populations, but no longer present in other contemporaneous sub-Saharan and North African populations.
---The Position of the Nazlet Khater Specimen Among Prehistoric and Modern African and Levantine Populations, Ron Pinhasi, Departent of Biological Anthropology, University of Cambridge, U.K., Patrick Semal, Belgian Institute of Natural Sciences, Belgium; Journal of Human Evolution (2000) vol. 39, 269–288.
African AE

Johannesburg, South Africa

#2275 Jul 3, 2013
Steal Caucasian Culture thats all these Afronazis do! All because they are ashamed of being West African in origin. So they must steal all the Caucasian achievements as their own. They even claim Einstein as being a black man LOL. He was a seriously Ashkenazi Jew! Leonardo de Vinci stole his ideas from some African! LOL Buddha is black. Never mind the Haplogroups of the above people not being related to black Africans! They even claim they built the South American pyramids. Hate to tell you this, native Americans HAVE NO AFRICAN DNA! Vikings were black. Vikings were as white as you can get! Cro-Magnon was black and came from Africa! Cro-Magnon is the off spring of a neanderthal. Sub-Saharan Africans DO NOT have neanderthal DNA! Egyptians were black. Ancient DNA says otherwise! The builders of the pyramids were the Eurasian Middle Eastern Neolithic Farmers descendants!
African AE

Johannesburg, South Africa

#2276 Jul 3, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
He also likes to promote Europe and the "mideast" as ALWAYS being white or looking like the SAME PPL. of today. AND that ancient Africans NEVER set foot in Europe....even though WE KNOW Africans were the 1st WORLD SETTLERS. LOL.....it's all called troll manipulation to fit a eurocentric pre-post, colonial, racist, divide & conquer agenda. DISAGREE with it and YOU or any of us become....."black militants" or "afronuts"
The FIRST WORLD SETTLERS EVERYWHERE WERE NEANDERTHALS! Europeans and Middle Eastern people ARE NOT RELATED TO AFRICANS AT ALL! The ancient Europeans and the Middle Eastern people WERE CAUCASIAN and looked exactly like they do today. Cro_magnon man was the first people in the Middle East and Europe 43000 years ago. He has been shown to carry Haplogroup H the most common Haplogroup of Europe responsible for blue eyes!
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2277 Jul 3, 2013
Recovering the indigenous situ processes.

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This evidence suggests that the process of state formation itself may have been mainly an indigenous process, but that it may have occurred in association with inmigration to the Abydos region of the Nile Valley. This potential inmigration may have occurred particularly during the EDyn and OK.
--Sonia R. Zakrzewski
Population Continuity or Population Change: Formation of the Ancient Egyptian State

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Overall, these studies can be interpreted as suggesting that the Egyptian Nile Valley's indigenous population had a craniofacial pattern that evolved and emerged in northeastern Africa, whose geography in relationship to climate largely explains the variation.[...]
--Sonia R. Zakrzewski

Quote:
In contrast, various researchers have noted a continuity in craniofacial variation from Mesolithic through Neolithic times.

This apparent continuity could be explained by in situ cultural evolution producing shifts in selective pressures which may act on teeth, the facial complex, and the cranial vault.

A series of 13 Mesolithic skulls from Wadi Halfa, Sudan, are compared to Nubian Neolithic remains by means of extended canonical analysis.

Results support recent research which suggests consistent trends of facial reduction and cranial vault expansion from Mesolithic through Neolithic times.
--Meredith F. Small* et al.
Journal of Human Evolution DOI:10.1016/S0047-2484(81)8001 3-9

Quote:
semi-tropical/arid tropic zones, show clear limb proportion characteristics of tropically adapted people, and MORE closely resemble other tropically adapted Africans on the continent, than Europeans or Middle Easterners.(Raxter and Ruff 2008, Zakrewski 2003, 2007; Holliday et al, 2003, Kemp, 2005) 3) Undermining claims of cold-climate or skin color primacy for civilization, the great ancient Nile Valley civilization arose from the 'darker' more tropical south, NOT the cold climate or cool climate Mediterranean, Europe or Asia.(Clark, 1982; Shaw 1976, 2003; Bard, 2004; Vogel, 1997; Kemp 2005)
African AE

Johannesburg, South Africa

#2278 Jul 4, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
Let us coherently put to getter what actually happened (without the constant interruption and bickering of euronuts) to the indigenous populations from the region, and this why "some old outdated" sources claimed mixed race people.
Recovering the process in a linear/ chronological way:
Quote:
In contrast, various researchers have noted a continuity in craniofacial variation from Mesolithic through Neolithic times.
This apparent continuity could be explained by in situ cultural evolution producing shifts in selective pressures which may act on teeth, the facial complex, and the cranial vault.
A series of 13 Mesolithic skulls from Wadi Halfa, Sudan, are compared to Nubian Neolithic remains by means of extended canonical analysis.
Results support recent research which suggests consistent trends of facial reduction and cranial vault expansion from Mesolithic through Neolithic times.
--Meredith F. Small* et al.
Journal of Human Evolution DOI:10.1016/S0047-2484(81)8001 3-9
Quote:
Between Marine Isotope Stage (MIS) 4 and 2, Northeast Africa witnessed migrations of Homo sapiens into Eurasia.
->>Within the context of the aridification of the Sahara, the Nile Valley probably offered a very attractive corridor into Eurasia.<<-
This region and this period are therefore central for the (pre)history of the out-of-Africa peopling of modern humans.
However, there are very few sites from the beginning of the Upper Palaeolithic that document these migration events.
In Egypt, the site of Nazlet Khater 4 (NK4), which is related to ancient H. sapiens quarrying activities, is one of them.
-->>Its lithic assemblage shows an important laminar component, and this, associated with its chronological position (ca. 33 ka), means that the site is the most ancient Upper Palaeolithic sites of this region.<<--
The detailed study of the Nazlet Khater 4 lithic material shows that blade production (volumetric reduction) is also associated with flake production (surface reduction). This technological duality addresses the issue of direct attribution of NK4 to the Upper Palaeolithic.
--Leplongeon, Alice1; Pleurdeau, David2
Source: African Archaeological Review, Volume 28, Number 3, September 2011, pp. 213-236(24)
Quote:
Nazlet Khater falls closer to the Late Palaeolithic Nubian samples ... If an ancestral descendant relationship existed between Nazlet Khater and the Late Palaeolithic Nubian specimens, then regional continuity persisted among the Upper/Late Pleistocene populations of the Upper Nile region. The Nazlet Khater specimen is part of a relict population which is a descendant of a larger sub-Saharan stock, which extended as far north as present day upper Egypt sometime during the Last Interglacial period, or the early part of the Last Glacial period. In such a scenario, the Nazlet Khater belongs to a relict population which retained some of the morphological features [form & structure] that were present among Middle Stone Age populations, but no longer present in other contemporaneous sub-Saharan and North African populations.
---The Position of the Nazlet Khater Specimen Among Prehistoric and Modern African and Levantine Populations, Ron Pinhasi, Departent of Biological Anthropology, University of Cambridge, U.K., Patrick Semal, Belgian Institute of Natural Sciences, Belgium; Journal of Human Evolution (2000) vol. 39, 269–288.
The majority of sites on the internet say that Nazlet Khater man was related more to European Paleolithic skeletons. So Mechtoids were Causasoids and now the Nazlet Khater man is also a Caucasoid! Links coming up!

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#2279 Jul 4, 2013
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>The majority of sites on the internet say that Nazlet Khater man was related more to European Paleolithic skeletons.
When??? LMAO!!! If that's the case then its definitely true that Europeans resembled Africans.

Seriously African AE...Stop posting.
Bmt

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#2281 Jul 4, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
He also likes to promote Europe and the "mideast" as ALWAYS being white or looking like the SAME PPL. of today. AND that ancient Africans NEVER set foot in Europe....even though WE KNOW Africans were the 1st WORLD SETTLERS. LOL.....it's all called troll manipulation to fit a eurocentric pre-post, colonial, racist, divide & conquer agenda. DISAGREE with it and YOU or any of us become....."black militants" or "afronuts"
It is as if there were europeans stone age security guards preventing SSA africans entering the levant and arabia peninsula.

"Brace on the Natufians..

This placement suggests that there may have been a Sub-Saharan African element in the make-up of the Natufians (the putative ancestors of the subsequent Neolithic

In that run, the Natufian of Israel ties to the French Mesolithic and then to the Afalou/Taforalt sample from North Africa

The interbreeding of the incoming Neolithic people with the in situ foragers diluted the Sub-Saharan traces that may have come with the Neolithic spread so that no discoverable element of that remained..."
African AE

Johannesburg, South Africa

#2283 Jul 4, 2013
The Nazlet Khater man has been classified a couple of times, from being Eurasian to Neg**id then to a Mechtoid man:

www.racialreality.blogspot.com/2010/01/affini...
African AE

Johannesburg, South Africa

#2284 Jul 4, 2013
big mike M wrote:
<quoted text>
When??? LMAO!!! If that's the case then its definitely true that Europeans resembled Africans.
Seriously African AE...Stop posting.
You stop posting!
LION

Charlotte, NC

#2285 Jul 4, 2013
the original Egyptians were the black nubians
Afghan

Mississauga, Canada

#2287 Jul 4, 2013
How the hell can ancient Egyptians be black if they enslaved black people? Lol.
Afghan

Mississauga, Canada

#2288 Jul 4, 2013
LION wrote:
the original Egyptians were the black nubians
No the Nubians were slave to the pharohos.

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