The Ancient Egyptians were black! Fin...
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#2199 Jul 3, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
Yes thats right, the Berbers and Moors were all Caucasoids and still are!
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#2200 Jul 3, 2013
These Afronazis didnt care a sh*t about the Libyans/Berbers till I brought out the Palermo stone which said Libyans lived in ancient Egypt before the pyramids then suddenly the Libyans and Berbers were black LOL. They were ALWAYS CAUCASOID! Even Egyptians portrayed the Libyans as Caucasian! Look at the book of Gates! Youve been whacked lying Afronazis by ancient Egyptians that have proved that ancient Egypt WAS MIXED RACE LEANING MORE TOWARDS EURASIANS!!!!
When you going to claim the Neolithic Eurasians were black LOL extremely loud!!!!
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#2201 Jul 3, 2013
big mike M wrote:
<quoted text>
ROFLMAO!!!! Guys this is the post of a broken and defeated person. Is that all you have??? LMAO!!!
If that's the case then how were they able to paint those 'white skinned Libyans' you always talk about.*Rollseyes*
And the Ancients used man made paint. black was from charcoal, white from huntite, calcium carbonate or calcium sulphate, yellow from ochre, reds from heated ochre, blue from azurite (copper carbonate), green from malachite, and so on.
So obviously they were ABLE to accurately depict themselves and others. Get a life loser! lol...
You get a life dummy and stop lying! The ancient Egyptians were more advanced than cavemen.

Whacked by THE PALMERO STONE!!!!
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#2202 Jul 3, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
There aren't any Tamazight people calling themselves cacasoid! LOL
This is what the average Tamazight women looks like, they are snub nosed and usually have full lips:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/120/296795437_...
http://globalvoicesonline.org/wp-content/uplo...
http://www.ewpnet.com/morocco/manning/54.jpg
http://www.ewpnet.com/morocco/manning/65.jpg
http://www.ewpnet.com/morocco/manning/21.jpg
http://www.washingtonmoroccanclub.org/images/...
quote:
"Our results reveal that Berber speakers have a foundational biogeographic root in Africa and that deep African lineages have continued to evolve in supra-Saharan Africa."
--Frigi et al.
quote:
"The Berber tribes were far removed from each other and this was one reason why Morocco was often invaded"....
http://www.marokko-info.nl/english/history-of...
quote:
" During historic times, Berbers experienced a long and complicated history with many invasions, conquests, and migrations by Phoenicians, Romans, Vandals, Byzantines, Arabs, Bedouins, Spanish, Turks, Andalusians, sub-Saharans (communities settled in Jerba and Gabes in the 16th–19th centuries), and French (Brett and Fentress 1996). During these invasions, Berbers were forced back to the mountains and to certain villages in southern Tunisia[...]
--Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2004
quote:
[...]"it is important to bear in mind that over the centuries the Maghreb has been a melting-pot of many other ethnic groups and cultures"
--Jamil M. Abun-Nasr, Cambridge University Press, 1987 - page 5.
quote:
Ancient History Sourcebook: Procopius of Caesarea: Gaiseric & The Vandal Conquest of North Africa, 406 - 477 CE
"And yet the number of the Vandals and Alans was said in former times, at least, to amount to no more than fifty thousand men. However, after that time by their natural increase among themselves and by associating other barbarians with them they came to be an exceedingly numerous people."
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/procop...
quote:
Discussion
In this study we attempted to better elucidate the ancient African genetic background in the northwest African area, particularly in Tunisia. To this aim, we focused our study on Berber populations that are considered representative of the ancient North African populations that probably derived from Neolithic Capsians.
During historic times, Berbers experienced a long and complicated history with many invasions, conquests, and migrations by Phoenicians, Romans, Vandals, Byzantines, Arabs, Bedouins, Spanish, Turks, Andalusians, sub-Saharans (communities settled in Jerba and Gabes in the 16th–19th centuries), and French (Brett and Fentress 1996). During these invasions, Berbers were forced back to the mountains and to certain villages in southern Tunisia (Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2004).
At present, they are restricted to some isolates in the south who maintain the Berber language and to some populations in the north who lack an origin language.
Many genetic studies on Tunisian Berber populations demonstrate the heterogeneity of Berbers with respect to European and sub-Saharan African contributions and the mosaic structure of Tunisian Berber populations with an absence of ethnic, linguistic, and geographic effects [...]
--Cherni et al. 2010).
Quote:
The period in question from AD 300 to AD 700, spans more that political transitions: it sees the adoption of Christianity (during the Las Imperial period and the Byzantine times), the Vandal rule and the adoption of Arianism and the Arab/Muslim imposition.
http://www.dur.ac.uk/archaeology/staff/...
Those people are definitely mixed race and could easily be mistaken for Cape Coloureds!
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#2203 Jul 3, 2013
I wonder sometimes if these Afronazis can tell the difference between a mixed race person and a black African? Like I have said before, no black Sub-Saharan African ever sees mixed race people as black Africans! Colour is seen differently in Sub-Saharan Africa to America. Just about all those ancient Pharaohs would never be considered black African in SA.
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#2204 Jul 3, 2013
LION wrote:
the black Nubians were the foundation of ancient egypt
Eurasians brought civilization to the stupid Egyptians.
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#2205 Jul 3, 2013
big mike M wrote:
@Almoravid
What African ethic group are you?
Just curious...
Mixed race Coloured!
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2207 Jul 3, 2013
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>Those people are definitely mixed race and could easily be mistaken for Cape Coloureds!
You've just exposed your stupidity once again!

TRY TO READ NEXT TIME WHAT I CITE, THIS SAVES YOU TROUBLE, NOW LOOKING LIKE A LUNATIC!

Sinajuavi
Level 6

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#2208 Jul 3, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
LOL at the lying appalachian above!
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tNSFOhb_cGM/TxiojlP...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BchnIwSOdQ8/TxilP_4...
http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S...
http://i38.tinypic.com/11cgok4.jpg
Our results reveal that Berber speakers have a foundational biogeographic root in Africa and that deep African lineages have continued to evolve in supra-Saharan Africa.
--Frigi et al.(2010)
However, as the original chronology of a 20-40 ka Aterian is no longer acceptable and the age of 40 ka indicates the end, not longer the beginning, of the Aterian, this industrial complex is much earlier and cannot be compared with the Sultrean. Furthermore, the natural conditions of the Strait of Gibraltar, with strong currents, must not have encouraged Aterian desert-adapted people to embark on seafaring adventures , as Erlandson (2001) has stated.
"The other unanswered question is where Aterian peoples and their technology came from. Increasingly evidence indicates that East Africa is like a region to consider for the origin of the Aterian. In fact, the Aterian biracial technology shows some affinities with the Lupemban of East and Central Africa."
--Jean-Jacques Hublin,Shannon P. McPherron, Modern Origins: A North African Perspective. Desert adaptions of the Libyan Aterian, page 137.
quote:
North Africa is quickly emerging as one of the more important regions yielding information on the origins of modern Homo sapiens. Associated with significant fossil hominin remains are two stone tool industries, the Aterian and Mousterian, which have been differentiated, respectively, primarily on the basis of the presence and absence of tanged, or stemmed, stone tools. Largely because of historical reasons, these two industries have been attributed to the western Eurasian Middle Paleolithic rather than the African Middle Stone Age. In this paper, drawing on our recent excavation of Contrebandiers Cave and other published data, we show that, aside from the presence or absence of tanged pieces, there are no other distinctions between these two industries in terms of either lithic attributes or chronology. Together, these results demonstrate that these two ‘industries’ are instead variants of the same entity.
-->>Moreover, several additional characteristics of these assemblages, such as distinctive stone implements and the manufacture and use of bone tools and possible shell ornaments, suggest a closer affinity to other Late Pleistocene African Middle Stone Age industries rather than to the Middle Paleolithic of western Eurasia.<<--
--On the industrial attributions of the Aterian and Mousterian of the Maghreb, Harold L. Dibble et al.
Journal of Human Evolution, 2013 Elsevier.
Aterian culture ended 40,000 years ago... and so they have nothing to do with the Berbers.

The archaeological evidence which you ignore (you lying piece of crap) clearly establishes that the base population of the Maghreb is Eurasian.

They've been predominantly Eurasian for 30,000 years.

Nothing you can do bout all that evidence... except IGNORE it.. LOL!!!

Pseudo-intellectual fraud.

Afronazi.

Sinajuavi
Level 6

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#2209 Jul 3, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO REALIZE!
REPEAT!!!!!!!!
Quote:
Our results reveal that Berber speakers have a foundational biogeographic root in Africa and that deep African lineages have continued to evolve in supra-Saharan Africa.
--Frigi et al.(2010)
quote:
"In fact, in terms of body shape, the European and the Inuit samples tend to be cold-adapted and tend to be separated in multivariate space from the more tropically adapted Africans, especially those groups from south of the Sahara."
--Holliday&#65279; TW, Hilton CE.
Body proportions of circumpolar peoples as evidenced from skeletal data: Ipiutak and Tigara (Point Hope) versus Kodiak Island Inuit.
quote:
"What we&#65279; can say, however, is that in the Holocene, humans from southwest Asia do not exhibit&#65279; tropically adapted body shape (Crognier 1981; Eveleth and Tanner 1976; Schreider 1975).... "
---Trenton Holliday (2000) Evolution at the
Crossroads: Modern Human Emergence in Western
Asia. American Anthropologist. New Series, Vol. 102, No. 1, 54-68
quote:
semi-tropical/arid tropic zones, show clear limb proportion characteristics of tropically adapted people, and MORE closely resemble other tropically adapted Africans on the continent, than Europeans or Middle Easterners.(Raxter and Ruff 2008, Zakrewski 2003, 2007; Holliday et al, 2003, Kemp, 2005) 3) Undermining claims of cold-climate or skin color primacy for civilization, the great ancient Nile Valley civilization arose from the 'darker' more tropical south, NOT the cold climate or cool climate Mediterranean, Europe or Asia.(Clark, 1982; Shaw 1976, 2003; Bard, 2004; Vogel, 1997; Kemp 2005)
-- Smith, P.(2002)
"Analysis of Predinastic skeletal material showed tropical African elements in the population of the earliest populations of the&#65279; earliest Badarian culture" [...]
--Frank Yurco
"Little change in body shape was found through time, suggesting that all body segments were varying in size in response to environmental and social conditions. The change found in body plan is suggested to be the result of the later groups having a more tropical (Nilotic) form than the preceding populations."
--Sonia R. Zakrzewski, Am J&#65279; Phys Anthropol. 2003 Jul;121(3):219-29.
"The results indicate overall population continuity over the Predynastic and early Dynastic, and high levels of genetic heterogeneity, thereby suggesting that state formation occurred as a mainly indigenous process. Nevertheless, significant differences were found in morphology between both geographically-pooled and&#65279; cemetery-specific temporal groups, indicating that some migration occurred along the Egyptian Nile Valley over the periods&time; studied."
--Sonia R. Zakrzewski, 2007.
quote:
"African peoples are the most diverse in the world whether analyzed by DNA or&#65279; skeletal or cranial methods. The peoples of the Nile Valley vary but they are still related. The people most related ethnically to the ancient Egyptians are other Africans like Nubians not cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or Asiatics."(Keita 1996; Rethelford, 2001; Bianchi 2004, Yurco 1989; Godde 2009)
Notice that here again Afronazi cultboy has skunked his own case, LOL!!!

Notice that about body shape, Euro and Inuit cluster, and Africans...“especially those groups from south of the Sahara...” LOL!!! are tropically adapted.

So, the Maghrebians do not cluster with subsaharans.

This is because the Maghreb has been predominantly Eurasian for 30,000 years.

Post some more data, boy, and screw yourself even deeper.

LOL!!!

Dumbass Afronazi.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2210 Jul 3, 2013
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>Eurasians brought civilization to the stupid Egyptians.
What you need to understand is the dynamics of cultural exchange. I understand that it's hard for you to understand.

Some knowledge was indeed imported, while other knowledge was completely indigenous.

However, you have to understand that ancient Egyptians (North and South) were INDIGENOUS TROPICAL ADAPTED AFRICANS!!! While eurasian were and are cold adapted in limb ratio.

This has been shown to you how many times? lol

Description of X-ray images of Royal Mummies in X-ray Atlas of the Royal Mummies

http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/data7_file...

quote:
"Analysis of Predinastic skeletal material showed tropical African elements in the population of the earliest populations of the earliest Badarian culture" [...]
--Frank Yurco

quote:
Little change in body shape was found through time, suggesting that all body segments were varying in size in response to environmental and social conditions. The change found in body plan is suggested to be the result of the later groups having a more tropical (Nilotic) form than the preceding populations.
--Sonia R. Zakrzewski, American Journal of&#65279; Physical Anthropology
Volume 121, Issue 3, pages 219–229, July 2003

quote:
The results indicate overall population continuity over the Predynastic and early Dynastic, and high levels of genetic heterogeneity, thereby suggesting that state formation occurred as a mainly indigenous process. Nevertheless, significant differences were found in morphology between both geographically-pooled and cemetery-specific temporal groups, indicating that some migration occurred along the Egyptian Nile Valley over the periods&time; studied.
--Am J Phys Anthropol, 2007.

Quote:
The dates of admixture (assuming 30 years
per generation)42 are reported in Table 1. Notably, in most
of the Semitic, Cushitic, and Omotic populations, the
admixture of African and non-African ancestry components
dates to 2.5–3 kya, whereas in North Africa, the
admixture dates are ~2 ky more recent, clustering around
1 kya, consistent with previous reports.
--Pagani et al 2012

Lets face the FACTS here: YOU ARE A RACIST!!!!!!!!!!
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2211 Jul 3, 2013
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>Mixed race people can also have tropical limbs. The Berbers/Libyans were Caucasoids and still are carrying Haplogroup E1b1b and are not related at all to Sub-Saharan Africans just like the ancient/modern Egyptians! Modern Egyptians carry E1b1b just like their ancestors so therefore they are exactly the same people! The world and the Egyptians agree totally!
Mixed race people likely have intermediate, just like modern North Egyptians do.

No matter how you pull it out of your arse, eurasians were and are cold adapted.

What we can say, however, is that in the Holocene, humans from southwest Asia do not exhibit tropically adapted body shape (Crognier 1981; Eveleth and Tanner 1976; Schreider 1975).... "
---Trenton Holliday (2000) Evolution at the
Crossroads: Modern Human Emergence in Western
Asia. American Anthropologist. New Series, Vol. 102, No. 1, 54-68

And yes, they do carry E1b1b and no they aren't cacuacasoids. There in no Libyan Tamazight that will say such nonsense. I have shown you Libyan Tamazight! LOL

E1b1b fundamentally is rooted in E-M35!!!!!!!!

And again yes, modern Egyptians are the descendants of the ancient Egyptians. HOWEVER, the North Egyptian have admixture due to recent invasions. Thus making intermediate in limb ratio metrics.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2212 Jul 3, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
Notice that here again Afronazi cultboy has skunked his own case, LOL!!!
Notice that about body shape, Euro and Inuit cluster, and Africans...“especially those groups from south of the Sahara...” LOL!!! are tropically adapted.
So, the Maghrebians do not cluster with subsaharans.
This is because the Maghreb has been predominantly Eurasian for 30,000 years.
Post some more data, boy, and screw yourself even deeper.
LOL!!!
Dumbass Afronazi.
What a dumbass this is. LOL

THIKS HERE IS PROVE THAT ALL THESE STUDIES FLY OVER YOUR HEAD AND I.Q. LEVEL. AND WE HAVEN'T GONE THAT DEEP! LOL

Modern Magreb people will logically be intermediate since they have some, to a lot of admixture, depending from region-to-region! Most reduct it will be at the Med coast considering the history!

REPOST AGAIN! LOL

quote:
"The Berber tribes were far removed from each other and this was one reason why Morocco was often invaded"....
http://www.marokko-info.nl/english/history-of...

quote:
" During historic times, Berbers experienced a long and complicated history with many invasions, conquests, and migrations by Phoenicians, Romans, Vandals, Byzantines, Arabs, Bedouins, Spanish, Turks, Andalusians, sub-Saharans (communities settled in Jerba and Gabes in the 16th–19th centuries), and French (Brett and Fentress 1996). During these invasions, Berbers were forced back to the mountains and to certain villages in southern Tunisia[...]
--Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2004

quote:
[...]"it is important to bear in mind that over the centuries the Maghreb has been a melting-pot of many other ethnic groups and cultures"
--Jamil M. Abun-Nasr, Cambridge University Press, 1987 - page 5.

However, these populations from the Neolithic and Mesolithic and proto did cluster 1/1.

Quote:
Our results reveal that Berber speakers have a foundational biogeographic root in Africa and that deep African lineages have continued to evolve in supra-Saharan Africa.
--Frigi et al.(2010)

Quote:
Mechtoid, these were a skeletally robust people and definitely African in origin,[...]

This was the practice of removing two or more of the upper incisors, usually around puberty and from both males and females, something that probably served as both a rite of passage and an ethnic marker (Close and Wendorf 1990), just as it does in parts of sub-Saharan Africa today (e.g., van Reenen 1987).

Cranial and postcranial malformations are also apparent and may indicate pronounced endogamy at a much more localised level (Hadjouis 2002), perhaps supported by the degree of variability between different site samples noted by Irish (2000).
--Lawrence Barham

Quote:
Craniometric data from seven human groups (Tables 3, 4) were subjected to principal components analysis, which allies the early Holocene population at Gobero (Gob-e) with mid-Holocene “Mechtoids” from Mali and Mauritania [18],[26],[27] and with Late Pleistocene Iberomaurusians and early Holocene Capsians from across the Maghreb
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...

Figure 6. Principal components analysis of craniofacial dimensions among Late Pleistocene to mid-Holocene populations from the Maghreb and southern Sahara.
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...

Table 3. Nine human populations sampled for craniometric analysis ranging in age from the Late Pleistocene (ca. 80,000 BP, Aterian) to the mid-Holocene (ca. 4000 BP) and in geographic distribution across the Maghreb to the southern Sahara [18],[19],[26],[27],[54].
doi:10.1371/journal.pone.00029 95.t003
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...

I am truly trying to explain this, but your i.q. level just want tell me. SMH
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2213 Jul 3, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
Aterian culture ended 40,000 years ago... and so they have nothing to do with the Berbers.
The archaeological evidence which you ignore (you lying piece of crap) clearly establishes that the base population of the Maghreb is Eurasian.
They've been predominantly Eurasian for 30,000 years.
Nothing you can do bout all that evidence... except IGNORE it.. LOL!!!
Pseudo-intellectual fraud.
Afronazi.
Yes, Aterian culture ended 40,000 years ago and was by indigenous Africans. As were other processes post cultures.

REPOST AGAIN! LOL

quote:
The older occupants have craniofacial dimensions that demonstrate similarities with mid-Holocene occupants of the southern Sahara and Late Pleistocene to early Holocene inhabitants of the Maghreb.
--Lakeside Cemeteries in the Sahara: 5000 Years of Holocene Population and Environmental Change

quote:
The extremely large skeletal samples that come from sites such as Taforalt (Fig. 8.13) and Afalou constitute an invaluable resource for understanding the makers of Iberomaurusian artifacts, and their number is unparalleled elsewhere in Africa for the early Holocene. Frequently termed Mechta-Afalou or Mechtoid, these were a skeletally robust people and definitely African in origin
--Lawrence Barham
[...]

This was the practice of removing two or more of the upper incisors, usually around puberty and from both males and females, something that probably served as both a rite of passage and an ethnic marker (Close and Wendorf 1990), just as it does in parts of sub-Saharan Africa today (e.g., van Reenen 1987).

Cranial and postcranial malformations are also apparent and may indicate pronounced endogamy at a much more localised level (Hadjouis 2002), perhaps supported by the degree of variability between different site samples noted by Irish (2000).
--Lawrence Barham

Quote:
Craniometric data from seven human groups (Tables 3, 4) were subjected to principal components analysis, which allies the early Holocene population at Gobero (Gob-e) with mid-Holocene “Mechtoids” from Mali and Mauritania [18],[26],[27] and with Late Pleistocene Iberomaurusians and early Holocene Capsians from across the Maghreb
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...

Figure 6. Principal components analysis of craniofacial dimensions among Late Pleistocene to mid-Holocene populations from the Maghreb and southern Sahara.
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...

Table 3. Nine human populations sampled for craniometric analysis ranging in age from the Late Pleistocene (ca. 80,000 BP, Aterian) to the mid-Holocene (ca. 4000 BP) and in geographic distribution across the Maghreb to the southern Sahara [18],[19],[26],[27],[54].
doi:10.1371/journal.pone.00029 95.t003
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...
--Lakeside Cemeteries in the Sahara: 5000 Years of Holocene Population and Environmental Change

I am truly trying to explain this, but your i.q. level just want tell me. SMH
trollslayer

Blue Island, IL

#2214 Jul 3, 2013
trolls keep saying "mixed"...."mix ed" WITH WHAT???
Also trolls keep placing non-blacks as far back as can be remembered. The FACT remains only B;acks were on earth at one point. Whites WERE NOT ALWAYS HERE.

SO......"mixed" WITH WHAT???
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2216 Jul 3, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
trolls keep saying "mixed"...."mix ed" WITH WHAT???
Also trolls keep placing non-blacks as far back as can be remembered. The FACT remains only B;acks were on earth at one point. Whites WERE NOT ALWAYS HERE.
SO......"mixed" WITH WHAT???
The funniest thing Barros will say is: "your" ancestor looked nothing like you "modern (negro) Africans". And right after that he will say, eurasians have been in North Africa 30 Kya and have always looked the same. LOL

When you ask for evidence in fossil records...???? LOL
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#2218 Jul 3, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
trolls keep saying "mixed"...."mix ed" WITH WHAT???
Also trolls keep placing non-blacks as far back as can be remembered. The FACT remains only B;acks were on earth at one point. Whites WERE NOT ALWAYS HERE.
SO......"mixed" WITH WHAT???
See the initial point was that the Aterian culture arose between 20-40 ka and was boosted by Barros his precious and "superior eurasians". This however was and is disproven.

Thus making Barros his opinion obsolete. Since that theory was prospered by Carton Coon, based on stone tool remains decades ago. LOL

Quote:
However, as the original chronology of a 20-40 ka Aterian is no longer acceptable and the age of 40 ka indicates the end, not longer the beginning, of the Aterian, this industrial complex is much earlier and cannot be compared with the Sultrean.

Furthermore, the natural conditions of the Strait of Gibraltar, with strong currents, must not have encouraged Aterian desert-adapted people to embark on seafaring adventures, as Erlandson (2001) has stated.

"The other unanswered question is where Aterian peoples and their technology came from. Increasingly evidence indicates that East Africa is like a region to consider for the origin of the Aterian. In fact, the Aterian biracial technology shows some affinities with the Lupemban of East and Central Africa."
--Jean-Jacques Hublin,Shannon P. McPherron, Modern Origins: A North African Perspective. Desert adaptions of the Libyan Aterian, page 137.

Quote:
North Africa is quickly emerging as one of the more important regions yielding information on the origins of modern Homo sapiens. Associated with significant fossil hominin remains are two stone tool industries, the Aterian and Mousterian, which have been differentiated, respectively, primarily on the basis of the presence and absence of tanged, or stemmed, stone tools. Largely because of historical reasons, these two industries have been attributed to the western Eurasian Middle Paleolithic rather than the African Middle Stone Age. In this paper, drawing on our recent excavation of Contrebandiers Cave and other published data, we show that, aside from the presence or absence of tanged pieces, there are no other distinctions between these two industries in terms of either lithic attributes or chronology. Together, these results demonstrate that these two ‘industries’ are instead variants of the same entity.

-->>Moreover, several additional characteristics of these assemblages, such as distinctive stone implements and the manufacture and use of bone tools and possible shell ornaments, suggest a closer affinity to other Late Pleistocene African Middle Stone Age industries rather than to the Middle Paleolithic of western Eurasia.<<--
--On the industrial attributions of the Aterian and Mousterian of the Maghreb, Harold L. Dibble et al.
Journal of Human Evolution, 2013 Elsevier.

Sinajuavi
Level 6

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#2219 Jul 3, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
What a dumbass this is. LOL
THIKS HERE IS PROVE THAT ALL THESE STUDIES FLY OVER YOUR HEAD AND I.Q. LEVEL. AND WE HAVEN'T GONE THAT DEEP! LOL
Modern Magreb people will logically be intermediate since they have some, to a lot of admixture, depending from region-to-region! Most reduct it will be at the Med coast considering the history!
REPOST AGAIN! LOL
quote:
"The Berber tribes were far removed from each other and this was one reason why Morocco was often invaded"....
http://www.marokko-info.nl/english/history-of...
quote:
" During historic times, Berbers experienced a long and complicated history with many invasions, conquests, and migrations by Phoenicians, Romans, Vandals, Byzantines, Arabs, Bedouins, Spanish, Turks, Andalusians, sub-Saharans (communities settled in Jerba and Gabes in the 16th–19th centuries), and French (Brett and Fentress 1996). During these invasions, Berbers were forced back to the mountains and to certain villages in southern Tunisia[...]
--Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2004
quote:
[...]"it is important to bear in mind that over the centuries the Maghreb has been a melting-pot of many other ethnic groups and cultures"
--Jamil M. Abun-Nasr, Cambridge University Press, 1987 - page 5.
However, these populations from the Neolithic and Mesolithic and proto did cluster 1/1.
Quote:
Our results reveal that Berber speakers have a foundational biogeographic root in Africa and that deep African lineages have continued to evolve in supra-Saharan Africa.
--Frigi et al.(2010)
Quote:
Mechtoid, these were a skeletally robust people and definitely African in origin,[...]
This was the practice of removing two or more of the upper incisors, usually around puberty and from both males and females, something that probably served as both a rite of passage and an ethnic marker (Close and Wendorf 1990), just as it does in parts of sub-Saharan Africa today (e.g., van Reenen 1987).
Cranial and postcranial malformations are also apparent and may indicate pronounced endogamy at a much more localised level (Hadjouis 2002), perhaps supported by the degree of variability between different site samples noted by Irish (2000).
--Lawrence Barham
Quote:
Craniometric data from seven human groups (Tables 3, 4) were subjected to principal components analysis, which allies the early Holocene population at Gobero (Gob-e) with mid-Holocene “Mechtoids” from Mali and Mauritania [18],[26],[27] and with Late Pleistocene Iberomaurusians and early Holocene Capsians from across the Maghreb
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...
Figure 6. Principal components analysis of craniofacial dimensions among Late Pleistocene to mid-Holocene populations from the Maghreb and southern Sahara.
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...
Table 3. Nine human populations sampled for craniometric analysis ranging in age from the Late Pleistocene (ca. 80,000 BP, Aterian) to the mid-Holocene (ca. 4000 BP) and in geographic distribution across the Maghreb to the southern Sahara [18],[19],[26],[27],[54].
doi:10.1371/journal.pone.00029 95.t003
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...
I am truly trying to explain this, but your i.q. level just want tell me. SMH
Moron, the people in the mountains are the whitest of the lot! LOL!!!

Yes, the original Maghrebians were Eurasians, mixed with Africans after 20,000 years ago, but remaining of Mediterranean Eurasian type until the present.

Yet again you punk yourself. For your own good, stop posting information, Afronazi!

And, furthermore, Afronazi putz, neither limb nor cranial proportions are reliable indictors of ancestry.

Dumbass. And you're still talking about Aterians! LOL!!!

Any irrelevancy you can find to muddy the waters, eh?

Lying Afronazi putz.

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#2220 Jul 3, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
trolls keep saying "mixed"...."mix ed" WITH WHAT???
Also trolls keep placing non-blacks as far back as can be remembered. The FACT remains only B;acks were on earth at one point. Whites WERE NOT ALWAYS HERE.
SO......"mixed" WITH WHAT???
Damn, you're ignorant!

We are speaking of the last 30,000 years, boy.

Eurasians have been present for at least twice that long.

So what was your point? Oh yeah.... as usual it just evaporated into vapor.

Afronazi halfwit.

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#2221 Jul 3, 2013
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See the initial point was that the Aterian culture arose between 20-40 ka and was boosted by Barros his precious and "superior eurasians". This however was and is disproven.
Thus making Barros his opinion obsolete. Since that theory was prospered by Carton Coon, based on stone tool remains decades ago. LOL
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However, as the original chronology of a 20-40 ka Aterian is no longer acceptable and the age of 40 ka indicates the end, not longer the beginning, of the Aterian, this industrial complex is much earlier and cannot be compared with the Sultrean.
Furthermore, the natural conditions of the Strait of Gibraltar, with strong currents, must not have encouraged Aterian desert-adapted people to embark on seafaring adventures, as Erlandson (2001) has stated.
"The other unanswered question is where Aterian peoples and their technology came from. Increasingly evidence indicates that East Africa is like a region to consider for the origin of the Aterian. In fact, the Aterian biracial technology shows some affinities with the Lupemban of East and Central Africa."
--Jean-Jacques Hublin,Shannon P. McPherron, Modern Origins: A North African Perspective. Desert adaptions of the Libyan Aterian, page 137.
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North Africa is quickly emerging as one of the more important regions yielding information on the origins of modern Homo sapiens. Associated with significant fossil hominin remains are two stone tool industries, the Aterian and Mousterian, which have been differentiated, respectively, primarily on the basis of the presence and absence of tanged, or stemmed, stone tools. Largely because of historical reasons, these two industries have been attributed to the western Eurasian Middle Paleolithic rather than the African Middle Stone Age. In this paper, drawing on our recent excavation of Contrebandiers Cave and other published data, we show that, aside from the presence or absence of tanged pieces, there are no other distinctions between these two industries in terms of either lithic attributes or chronology. Together, these results demonstrate that these two ‘industries’ are instead variants of the same entity.
-->>Moreover, several additional characteristics of these assemblages, such as distinctive stone implements and the manufacture and use of bone tools and possible shell ornaments, suggest a closer affinity to other Late Pleistocene African Middle Stone Age industries rather than to the Middle Paleolithic of western Eurasia.<<--
--On the industrial attributions of the Aterian and Mousterian of the Maghreb, Harold L. Dibble et al.
Journal of Human Evolution, 2013 Elsevier.
The initial point? LOL... I never used the Aterians to discuss the ancestry of the Maghreb, as they are irrelevant to it, fool.

Afronazi lying jackass.

Mousterian is Middle Palaeolithic, fool. The Eurasians who were the base population of the modern Maghreb had Upper Palaeolithic culture, you nitwit.

LOL at your uneducated lying ass, boy!

You have nothing relevant, and no data you or anyone has posted has contradicted this obvious fact:

The Maghreb has been predominantly Eurasian for 30,000 years.

Try some more lies, boy... but you'll still be right where you are now: wrong and stupid.

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