What's Wrong With Standardized Tests?

Jan 10, 2009 Full story: www.fairtest.org 34

Are standardized tests fair and helpful evaluation tools? Not really. Standardized tests are tests on which all students answer the same questions, usually in multiple-choice format, and each question has only one correct answer. They reward the ability to quickly answer superficial questions that do not require real thought. They do not measure the ability to think or create in any field. Their use encourages a narrowed curriculum, outdated methods of instruction, and harmful practices such as retention in grade and tracking. They also assume all test-takers have been exposed to a white, middle-class background. (See "How Standardized Testing Damages Education," a FairTest fact sheet.)

Do test scores reflect real differences among people? Not necessarily. To construct a norm-referenced test (a test on which half the test-takers score above average, the other half below), test makers must make small differences among people appear large. Because item content differs from one test to another, even tests that claim to measure the same thing often produce very different results. Because of measurement error, two people with very different scores on one test administration might get the same scores on a second administration. On the SAT, for example, the test-makers admit that two students' scores must differ by at least 144 points (out of 1600) before they are willing to say the students' measured abilities really differ. Full Story
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#1 Jan 10, 2009
Ye SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL BLOW YOUR MIND!!

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#2 Jan 10, 2009
True Facts for Trufax who thought he was sooo smart with the standardized tests comment in regard to blacks being inferior to it!!

“Insightful”

Since: Dec 08

C-Town

#3 Jan 11, 2009
I believe that standardized tests while important, should not be the determining factor of one's knowledge base. For instance, in many states, high school students cannot receive their high school diploma unless they achieve a certain score on their state's standardized test. This is unfair to those students who have satisfactory grades in all coursework and attend classes regularly. A formula should be implemented in which the standardized test, grades, and attendance are all determining factors in the issuance of a high school diploma.
Sinajuavi

Morgantown, WV

#5 Jan 11, 2009
Intelligence is complex and difficult to quantify.

ANY test emerges from a cultural context and is administered in another. This also is complex.

If the tests measure some sort of "real" organic intelligence, then can you explain WHY both black and white SOUTHERNERS in the USA score LOWER on IQ tests than NORTHERN blacks and whites? And a child of SOUTHERNERS raised in the North will conform to the Northern pattern, of course...

Obviously this is a case which proves that there is a CULTURAL component to intelligence.

Any assumption that so-called "black" people are less intelligent than other Homo sapiens is not based on sound science.

Since: Jan 09

Chicago, IL

#6 Jan 11, 2009
Sinajuavi wrote:
Intelligence is complex and difficult to quantify.
ANY test emerges from a cultural context and is administered in another. This also is complex.
If the tests measure some sort of "real" organic intelligence, then can you explain WHY both black and white SOUTHERNERS in the USA score LOWER on IQ tests than NORTHERN blacks and whites? And a child of SOUTHERNERS raised in the North will conform to the Northern pattern, of course...
Obviously this is a case which proves that there is a CULTURAL component to intelligence.
Any assumption that so-called "black" people are less intelligent than other Homo sapiens is not based on sound science.
I'd be interested in knowing what scientific study you referenced for this information you just posted? Would you be so kind as to post a link, Sahib?

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Since: Jan 09

Canada

#7 Jan 11, 2009
What these tests measure is accumulated knowledge and not intelligence. They require no thought,, only exposure to certain elements in society. For example, a question regarding a symphony answered incorrectly does not mean that the person in question does not have valid musical knowledge, it simply means that they have not been exposed to symphonies. Too much of education is already geared to memorization rather than encouraging children to think critically.

“the answer to 1984 is 1776”

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Since: Jan 08

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#8 Jan 11, 2009
womanistmusings wrote:
What these tests measure is accumulated knowledge and not intelligence. They require no thought,, only exposure to certain elements in society. For example, a question regarding a symphony answered incorrectly does not mean that the person in question does not have valid musical knowledge, it simply means that they have not been exposed to symphonies. Too much of education is already geared to memorization rather than encouraging children to think critically.
i entirely agree.. especially the part of your post regarding too much of curricula is based upon route memorization.

also after this "no child left behind" idiocy, most of what is being taught in public schools now is how to pass the tests.

it's a huge disservice and it's no wonder why american children are falling further and further behind and will not be able to compete globally on a peer level.

that's why i homeschool my child.
LLL

Kemp, OK

#9 Jan 11, 2009
Black-Cuban_Mami wrote:
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i entirely agree.. especially the part of your post regarding too much of curricula is based upon route memorization.
also after this "no child left behind" idiocy, most of what is being taught in public schools now is how to pass the tests.
it's a huge disservice and it's no wonder why american children are falling further and further behind and will not be able to compete globally on a peer level.
that's why i homeschool my child.
My child is homeschooled also- mostly by my Mom who babysits her while I work. She is 6 years old and was reading simple children's books since the age of four.

“the answer to 1984 is 1776”

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#10 Jan 11, 2009
LLL wrote:
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My child is homeschooled also- mostly by my Mom who babysits her while I work. She is 6 years old and was reading simple children's books since the age of four.
i go through a distance program that's a charter school. they have them in several states.

it's www.connectionsacademy.com

they provide all of the books, curricula, supplies, and even a laptop or desktop so the students can do their lessons if you don't have a computer. it's a mix of online and bookwork. the older students have more access to their coursework online.

my son loves it because i work from home and he feels like he works from home too. while i'm doing my work he's working behind me.

i like it because you have the freedom to break up the lessons how you want and complete them at your own pace.. faster or slower for some things. and they have field trips too. the last field trip we took to the zoo had 150 students and parents there.

i also like that they are given standardized tests that children in CA have to take so you can see their progress.

is your mother making up her lesson plans herself? or is she following a set one?

more children would benefit from homeschooling.
Magog

Lynnwood, WA

#11 Jan 11, 2009
funny how poor asain immigrants come here and dominate the tests without even knowing the language..

Funny how blacks always gravitate to the bottom of the barrel, and then play everyone and everything but themselves.

It is not the test, it is your DNA. you are obsolete.
LLL

Kemp, OK

#12 Jan 11, 2009
Black-Cuban_Mami wrote:
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i go through a distance program that's a charter school. they have them in several states.
it's www.connectionsacademy.com
they provide all of the books, curricula, supplies, and even a laptop or desktop so the students can do their lessons if you don't have a computer. it's a mix of online and bookwork. the older students have more access to their coursework online.
my son loves it because i work from home and he feels like he works from home too. while i'm doing my work he's working behind me.
i like it because you have the freedom to break up the lessons how you want and complete them at your own pace.. faster or slower for some things. and they have field trips too. the last field trip we took to the zoo had 150 students and parents there.
i also like that they are given standardized tests that children in CA have to take so you can see their progress.
is your mother making up her lesson plans herself? or is she following a set one?
more children would benefit from homeschooling.
Thanks for that great information. I need to check into something like that for my daughter as she gets older. It sounds very good. My mother made up the lesson plans until a few months ago and we bought a few homeschool course books. We also buy computer learning games. There are many homeschool bookstores in my area and homeschool networking organizations in many Texas towns, including mine. The people share information and the kids have field trips together and get social intraction in that way. Texas has more homeschooled kids than any other state and the least restrictions. That is why some people come here from other states.

How old is your son? Have you always homeschooled him? I thought that California was going to make homeschooling against the law? I guess I just misunderstood something I read a while back. I'm glad that you are able to work from home. I wish that I could.
LLL

Kemp, OK

#14 Jan 11, 2009
^^^Sorry for typos. Hopefully my daughter will somehow learn to do a better job with it! lol
LLL

Kemp, OK

#15 Jan 11, 2009
Black-Cuban_Mami wrote:
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i go through a distance program that's a charter school. they have them in several states.
it's www.connectionsacademy.com
they provide all of the books, curricula, supplies, and even a laptop or desktop so the students can do their lessons if you don't have a computer. it's a mix of online and bookwork. the older students have more access to their coursework online.
my son loves it because i work from home and he feels like he works from home too. while i'm doing my work he's working behind me.
i like it because you have the freedom to break up the lessons how you want and complete them at your own pace.. faster or slower for some things. and they have field trips too. the last field trip we took to the zoo had 150 students and parents there.
i also like that they are given standardized tests that children in CA have to take so you can see their progress.
is your mother making up her lesson plans herself? or is she following a set one?
more children would benefit from homeschooling.
This is what I heard about and thought was really bad:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi...

“the answer to 1984 is 1776”

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#16 Jan 11, 2009
LLL wrote:
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Thanks for that great information. I need to check into something like that for my daughter as she gets older. It sounds very good. My mother made up the lesson plans until a few months ago and we bought a few homeschool course books. We also buy computer learning games. There are many homeschool bookstores in my area and homeschool networking organizations in many Texas towns, including mine. The people share information and the kids have field trips together and get social intraction in that way. Texas has more homeschooled kids than any other state and the least restrictions. That is why some people come here from other states.
How old is your son? Have you always homeschooled him? I thought that California was going to make homeschooling against the law? I guess I just misunderstood something I read a while back. I'm glad that you are able to work from home. I wish that I could.
i think connections has a kindergarten curriculum too. i had been introducing my son to schooling since he was 18 months... we started formally homeschooling when he was 3 years old.. i sent him to public kindergarten when my mom put pressure on me.. then he spent like 6 months in 1st first grade before i removed him and i've been homeschooling again him since then.

he's 8 years old and in the 3rd grade. he can keep homeschooling until he chooses to go back to school.

i prefer this way because it allows us flexibility to travel or do whatever we want because he can access his coursework online from anywhere in the world we are.

i don't think he'd probably want to go back to public school.

the whole thing in CA was that they wanted homeschooled children to be taught by someone who is like a certified teacher. however, since this is a charter school... they still have a teacher and a principal.

weekly they have virtual classrooms where the teacher is on cam/mic and they're having regular lessons on a virtual chalkboard.

if it absolutely has to come to us being certified, then i'll just go get a teaching credential.. i already have several degrees.

i know texas has a lot of homeschoolers that i have met from various homeschool boards i check.

AKJ

“akj”

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#17 Jan 11, 2009
Most of these tests are culturally bias. The only thing thats universal is the math..

AKJ

“akj”

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#20 Jan 11, 2009
Jawga Boy wrote:
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Question:
Is Asian culture similar to European culture?
If not, why do THEY ace all of the tests?
Just wondering....
IDK..maybe..They study harder than most culters.

“can't stand stupid people ”

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Since: Jul 08

Vienna, Austria

#21 Jan 11, 2009
Jawga Boy wrote:
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Question:
Is Asian culture similar to European culture?
If not, why do THEY ace all of the tests?
Just wondering....
a big NO!

We don't have those multiple choice test here exactly for the reasons described in the article. IQ tests are personal questions from a interviewer - a human being. What can u learn from making a cross at an answer. It doesn't show if u know what u r doing, it could also be only a guess.

University here provokes students to THINK, at test at least 2 questions are open questions to a current topic! So that means u have to know WHAT's going on in the world to pass the tests.

Hell no! Asian culture and european culture has NOTHING in common.
Demandred

Baton Rouge, LA

#23 Jan 11, 2009
I wouldn't say these tests are culturally biased, but economically biases; most black parents don't have the dough to shell out for these $1000+ SAT-prep courses their kids can take on the weekends.

AKJ

“akj”

Level 1

Since: May 08

I love my lil son..:)

#24 Jan 11, 2009
Jawga Boy wrote:
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Just damn!!!
Why did you have to introduce that hateful word,"study"?
Got some to do..Get at it..Lol..

AKJ

“akj”

Level 1

Since: May 08

I love my lil son..:)

#25 Jan 11, 2009
Demandred wrote:
I wouldn't say these tests are culturally biased, but economically biases; most black parents don't have the dough to shell out for these $1000+ SAT-prep courses their kids can take on the weekends.
Believe me you, I know other races who can't afford to pay for them either...

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