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“100%”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#374 Feb 27, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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I already provided the link of her own ancient bust from her life time found in Alexandria, unlike that dubious modern computerized "reconstruction" that looked nothing like her real ancient self potrayeds of herself.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
The link does NOT address the study about her biracial heritage.
Jeff

Natick, MA

#375 Feb 27, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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The link does NOT address the study about her biracial heritage.
The link addresses the fact that she had NO biracial heritage but that she was an inbred European given THAT ANCIENT bust is from her life time and shows her what she really looked like the white Queen that she was, while your dubious 'study' which can't even be called that shows a MODERN computerized reconstruction based upon some MODERN person's fantasy that looks nothing like the REAL Cleopatra. Now if you can find ancient busts and coins of Cleopatra that looks like that modern fake computerized reconstruction you showed come talk to be, otherwise that 'study' is as bogus as all credible evidence proves it to be.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

“100%”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#376 Feb 27, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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The link addresses the fact that she had NO biracial heritage but that she was an inbred European given THAT ANCIENT bust is from her life time and shows her what she really looked like the white Queen that she was, while your dubious 'study' which can't even be called that shows a MODERN computerized reconstruction based upon some MODERN person's fantasy that looks nothing like the REAL Cleopatra. Now if you can find ancient busts and coins of Cleopatra that looks like that modern fake computerized reconstruction you showed come talk to be, otherwise that 'study' is as bogus as all credible evidence proves it to be.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
This is a statue of a face with no description.
Jeff

Natick, MA

#377 Feb 27, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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This is a statue of a face with no description.
That is a statue of Cleopatra found in Alexandria, Egypt from her life time, not some MODERN computerized reconstruction based upon some MODERN person's fantasy that looks nothing like the REAL Cleopatra. Now if you can find ancient busts and coins of Cleopatra that look like that modern fake computerized reconstruction you showed come talk to me, otherwise that 'study' is as bogus as all credible evidence proves it to be including Cleopatra's own self made images of herself from her lifetime.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

“100%”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#378 Feb 27, 2013
This article states Cleopatra sister had African Ancestry. I dunno why this would be shocking.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/afr...

“100%”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#379 Feb 27, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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That is a statue of Cleopatra found in Alexandria, Egypt from her life time, not some MODERN computerized reconstruction based upon some MODERN person's fantasy that looks nothing like the REAL Cleopatra. Now if you can find ancient busts and coins of Cleopatra that look like that modern fake computerized reconstruction you showed come talk to me, otherwise that 'study' is as bogus as all credible evidence proves it to be including Cleopatra's own self made images of herself from her lifetime.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
Her biracial Heritage is based on ancient artifacts. I'm sure her heritage isn't mysterious since anthropologists can identify King/Queens going back much further. Not too mention Egyptians have written records that would have mentioned her origins.
Jeff

Natick, MA

#380 Feb 27, 2013
Redefined wrote:
This article states Cleopatra sister had African Ancestry. I dunno why this would be shocking.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/afr...
Hahaha!! Yeah right, DNA results conducted OVER and OVER showed NO black African ancestry in these remains and because this debunked their 'mixed' race claim they claimed 'It didn’t bring the results we hoped to find.' lol!

Its not shocking its a lie. Again Old news and as dubious as your other MODERN fantasy that was based upon the personal opinions of modern "sources". Arsinoe did not have African ancestry. In fact those bones aren't even of Arsinoe and no evidence has been provided that those remains even have African admixture. The bases of any suppose 'African' ancestry is made on a skull that more then likely isn't even Arsinoe and they came to their 'African' ancestry dubious claim based upon NOTHING more then the crania index. Any credible anthropologist will tell you that you can't tell a person's 'race' on crania index alone like these bozos did. If that is the case then King Tut was a European because based upon the crania index his skull was a typical one found in Caucasians.

A lot of presumptions about these skeleton remains have been made but very little facts to back up any of these fallacies have been shown to definitively support anything claim of 'African' ancestry. They based the 'race' part of the skeleton remains only on the bogus crania index a method that can't determine a person's race. They couldn't even say if that was really Arsinoe as the above quote from the published report clearly indicates. Also the age of the remains was conclude by the 'research' team to be that of a young teenage girl, this would make Arsinoe 8-10 or 11 at the time of the Alexandrian war, nearly 7 years earlier, which seems far too young for the leadership role she played during that war. Historical evidence puts Arsinoe at a much older age during the war then that of a young child of 11. They also conclude the skeleton remains had no evidence of a violent death:

"Stress markers, like Harris’ lines were absent and no signs of peri- or premortal traumas were found."

This one is just as strange as the age discrepancy, given we know based upon historical evidence Arsinoe died a violent death, so premortal trauma and stress markers would be present on the skeleton remains. These two discrepancies even bothered Thur, the lead researcher on the project. Also Strabo (contemporary sources for the life of Cleopatra) wrote that all the wives of the Ptolemies were women of significant Greek-Macedonian royal status, which rules out any 'black African' slaves or concubines or queens, which is more evidence that Cleopatra, her sister and their siblings were all of the traditional Macedonian Greek stock.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#381 Feb 27, 2013
Redefined wrote:
<quoted text>
Her biracial Heritage is based on ancient artifacts. I'm sure her heritage isn't mysterious since anthropologists can identify King/Queens going back much further. Not too mention Egyptians have written records that would have mentioned her origins.
You are lying. She did not have a biracial heritage because she was NOT biracial. Cleopatra was an inbred European and no ancient artifacts show her to have biracial ancestry. All ancient records from busts of herself to coins show that Cleopatra and her Ptolemaic family were inbred Europeans. No ancient gyptian records state she had biracial ancestry. ALL ancient records, from Egyptian to Greek to Roman state she was an INBRED European and came from a long line of inbred Europeans, in fact Ptolemaic Queens and Kings only identified themselves as Macedonians, never as 'Egyptians', and yes that is based upon ancient records. Let me know if you want me to post the ancient passages that state as much because unlike you, I've actually studied this dynasty. They inbred to preserve their royal bloodline and did not intermix outside of their own kind. As the ancient bust from Cleopatra's life time clearly shows she was NOT biracial but of European ancestry, not some MODERN computerized reconstruction based upon some MODERN person's fantasy that looks nothing like the REAL Cleopatra. Now if you can find ancient busts and coins of Cleopatra that look like that modern fake computerized reconstruction you showed come talk to me, otherwise that 'study' is as bogus as all credible evidence proves it to be including Cleopatra's own self made images of herself from her lifetime.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

“100%”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#382 Feb 27, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Hahaha!! Yeah right, DNA results conducted OVER and OVER showed NO black African ancestry in these remains and because this debunked their 'mixed' race claim they claimed 'It didn’t bring the results we hoped to find.' lol!
Its not shocking its a lie. Again Old news and as dubious as your other MODERN fantasy that was based upon the personal opinions of modern "sources". Arsinoe did not have African ancestry. In fact those bones aren't even of Arsinoe and no evidence has been provided that those remains even have African admixture. The bases of any suppose 'African' ancestry is made on a skull that more then likely isn't even Arsinoe and they came to their 'African' ancestry dubious claim based upon NOTHING more then the crania index. Any credible anthropologist will tell you that you can't tell a person's 'race' on crania index alone like these bozos did. If that is the case then King Tut was a European because based upon the crania index his skull was a typical one found in Caucasians.
A lot of presumptions about these skeleton remains have been made but very little facts to back up any of these fallacies have been shown to definitively support anything claim of 'African' ancestry. They based the 'race' part of the skeleton remains only on the bogus crania index a method that can't determine a person's race. They couldn't even say if that was really Arsinoe as the above quote from the published report clearly indicates. Also the age of the remains was conclude by the 'research' team to be that of a young teenage girl, this would make Arsinoe 8-10 or 11 at the time of the Alexandrian war, nearly 7 years earlier, which seems far too young for the leadership role she played during that war. Historical evidence puts Arsinoe at a much older age during the war then that of a young child of 11. They also conclude the skeleton remains had no evidence of a violent death:
"Stress markers, like Harris’ lines were absent and no signs of peri- or premortal traumas were found."
This one is just as strange as the age discrepancy, given we know based upon historical evidence Arsinoe died a violent death, so premortal trauma and stress markers would be present on the skeleton remains. These two discrepancies even bothered Thur, the lead researcher on the project. Also Strabo (contemporary sources for the life of Cleopatra) wrote that all the wives of the Ptolemies were women of significant Greek-Macedonian royal status, which rules out any 'black African' slaves or concubines or queens, which is more evidence that Cleopatra, her sister and their siblings were all of the traditional Macedonian Greek stock.
So I guess her Mother being African is dubious as well, lol
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/also_in_the_news/7...

“100%”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#383 Feb 27, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
You are lying. She did not have a biracial heritage because she was NOT biracial. Cleopatra was an inbred European and no ancient artifacts show her to have biracial ancestry. All ancient records from busts of herself to coins show that Cleopatra and her Ptolemaic family were inbred Europeans. No ancient gyptian records state she had biracial ancestry. ALL ancient records, from Egyptian to Greek to Roman state she was an INBRED European and came from a long line of inbred Europeans, in fact Ptolemaic Queens and Kings only identified themselves as Macedonians, never as 'Egyptians', and yes that is based upon ancient records. Let me know if you want me to post the ancient passages that state as much because unlike you, I've actually studied this dynasty. They inbred to preserve their royal bloodline and did not intermix outside of their own kind. As the ancient bust from Cleopatra's life time clearly shows she was NOT biracial but of European ancestry, not some MODERN computerized reconstruction based upon some MODERN person's fantasy that looks nothing like the REAL Cleopatra. Now if you can find ancient busts and coins of Cleopatra that look like that modern fake computerized reconstruction you showed come talk to me, otherwise that 'study' is as bogus as all credible evidence proves it to be including Cleopatra's own self made images of herself from her lifetime.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
You have NOTHING except a wikipedia bust while anthropologists themselves are stating Cleopatra's Mother & her sister have African (Egyptian) heritage.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#384 Feb 27, 2013
Nagas74 wrote:
Jeff is just being his typical trollish,black hating self. The real villain is Bakari the Tom who started this thread. Also some of you cowardly black jellyfish who are quick to attack Afrocentricity to appease these white posters. Shameful. smdh....
Afrocentricity = racism. Therefore it is completely unacceptable.

Come see me, I'll slap that racist afrocentricity out of you.
Jeff

Natick, MA

#385 Feb 27, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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So I guess her Mother being African is dubious as well, lol
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/also_in_the_news/7...
Yes it is dubious because her mother was not African, she was of the Ptolemiac bloodline and as much of a European inbred as Cleopatra, Arsinoe and all other Ptolemies. Their mother was their father's cousin/niece. You would know this if you studied them instead of posting the wild fantasies of some modern 'researcher' who's specialty is interpreting buildings and monuments, she is NOT an expert in the Ptolemaic Dynasty.

You keep posting the SAME old debunked 'claims' based upon nothing but modern fallacies by dubious 'sources'. The hilarious part of this is the fact that Thuer ended up with egg on her face when the skeleton remains proved to be TOO YOUNG to be Arsinoe and the DNA conducted over and over kept showing NO African admixture in those remains which further blew her 'mixed race' claim out of the window hence the "It didn’t bring the results we hoped to find" statement she made. lol

The Ptolemies inbred to preserve their royal bloodline and did not intermix outside of their own kind. As the ancient bust from Cleopatra's life time clearly shows she was NOT biracial but of European ancestry, not some MODERN computerized reconstruction based upon some MODERN person's fantasy that looks nothing like the REAL Cleopatra. Now if you can find ancient busts and coins of Cleopatra that look like that modern fake computerized reconstruction you showed come talk to me, otherwise that 'study' is as bogus as all credible evidence proves it to be including Cleopatra's own self made images of herself from her lifetime.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
Jeff

Natick, MA

#386 Feb 27, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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You have NOTHING except a wikipedia bust while anthropologists themselves are stating Cleopatra's Mother & her sister have African (Egyptian) heritage.
I have the historical evidence that backs my claims up, you have nothing but modern fake computerized reconstructions and dubious claims of some quack 'reseacher' on bones that can't even be identified as Arsinoes and who's one forensic team contradict her claims. No anthropologists claimed Cleopatra's mother and sister were of 'African' Egyptian heritage because they did NOT have African 'Egyptian' heritage. Those ridiculous claims are the wild fantasies of some modern 'researcher' who's specialty is interpreting buildings and monuments, NOT an expert in the Ptolemaic Dynasty NOR an anthropologist. The actual anthropologists in her own team told her the skeleton remains have NO Stress markers that would indicate a violent death and that they are TOO YOUNG to be Arsinoe and she turned around dismissed this as "It’s a kind of jealousy." even though she claims she is NO expert in forensics.

So far all you have done is posted modern dubious 'sources' that are debunked by ALL historical evidence. Now if you can find ancient busts and coins of Cleopatra that look like that modern fake computerized reconstruction you showed come talk to me, otherwise that 'study' is as bogus as all credible evidence proves it to be including Cleopatra's own self made images of herself from her lifetime.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
holycrap

Powell, OH

#387 Feb 27, 2013
Cleopatra was not attractive and she surely wasn't biracial.

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#388 Feb 27, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Why do you keep talking about people and civilizations that were never black Africans?
Because if he devoted his time to doing something like that, he would no longer be able to obsess over me and troll as much as he would like to.

“100%”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#389 Feb 27, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
I have the historical evidence that backs my claims up, you have nothing but modern fake computerized reconstructions and dubious claims of some quack 'reseacher' on bones that can't even be identified as Arsinoes and who's one forensic team contradict her claims. No anthropologists claimed Cleopatra's mother and sister were of 'African' Egyptian heritage because they did NOT have African 'Egyptian' heritage. Those ridiculous claims are the wild fantasies of some modern 'researcher' who's specialty is interpreting buildings and monuments, NOT an expert in the Ptolemaic Dynasty NOR an anthropologist. The actual anthropologists in her own team told her the skeleton remains have NO Stress markers that would indicate a violent death and that they are TOO YOUNG to be Arsinoe and she turned around dismissed this as "It’s a kind of jealousy." even though she claims she is NO expert in forensics.
So far all you have done is posted modern dubious 'sources' that are debunked by ALL historical evidence. Now if you can find ancient busts and coins of Cleopatra that look like that modern fake computerized reconstruction you showed come talk to me, otherwise that 'study' is as bogus as all credible evidence proves it to be including Cleopatra's own self made images of herself from her lifetime.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
The info may be dubious but the source isn't since it's the same sources PPL get all their current news from. So if these sources would publish dubious information than why I should believe any ur sources?? It goes both ways.

“100%”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#390 Feb 27, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it is dubious because her mother was not African, she was of the Ptolemiac bloodline and as much of a European inbred as Cleopatra, Arsinoe and all other Ptolemies. Their mother was their father's cousin/niece. You would know this if you studied them instead of posting the wild fantasies of some modern 'researcher' who's specialty is interpreting buildings and monuments, she is NOT an expert in the Ptolemaic Dynasty.
You keep posting the SAME old debunked 'claims' based upon nothing but modern fallacies by dubious 'sources'. The hilarious part of this is the fact that Thuer ended up with egg on her face when the skeleton remains proved to be TOO YOUNG to be Arsinoe and the DNA conducted over and over kept showing NO African admixture in those remains which further blew her 'mixed race' claim out of the window hence the "It didn’t bring the results we hoped to find" statement she made. lol
The Ptolemies inbred to preserve their royal bloodline and did not intermix outside of their own kind. As the ancient bust from Cleopatra's life time clearly shows she was NOT biracial but of European ancestry, not some MODERN computerized reconstruction based upon some MODERN person's fantasy that looks nothing like the REAL Cleopatra. Now if you can find ancient busts and coins of Cleopatra that look like that modern fake computerized reconstruction you showed come talk to me, otherwise that 'study' is as bogus as all credible evidence proves it to be including Cleopatra's own self made images of herself from her lifetime.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
The only thing dubious is ur wikipedia source & the fact no DNA has been ever been extracted from Cleopatra, her sister or her mother. So as far as I'm concerned she isn't white either until proven otherwise.
Jeff

Natick, MA

#391 Feb 27, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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The info may be dubious but the source isn't since it's the same sources PPL get all their current news from. So if these sources would publish dubious information than why I should believe any ur sources?? It goes both ways.
The info is as dubious as the source given it since its based upon MODERN personal beliefs and opinions, NOT historical evidence, artifacts, records and data. Now if you can find ancient busts and coins of Cleopatra that look like that modern fake computerized reconstruction you showed come talk to me, otherwise your modern 'sources' are as bogus as ever since all credible evidence proves them to be including Cleopatra's own self made images of herself from her lifetime.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
trollslayer

Chicago, IL

#392 Feb 27, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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The fact fake statues exist is proof AE were originally Black & the PPL who blew off the nose & lips of the sphinx could not identify with the traits. Plus AE depicted themselves as brownskin. So originally they were dark.
Exactly....why is it so hard for certain PPL. to just accept that AE started off Black. It's only common sense. Africa began as a Black continent. Sure, invaders, settlers etc. came later but they can't be
misconstrued as "indigenous PPL".
Jeff

Natick, MA

#393 Feb 27, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
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Because if he devoted his time to doing something like that, he would no longer be able to obsess over me and troll as much as he would like to.
Hahaha! I didn't know you had an internet stalker, BN. That turd is mentally disturbed and needs serious help. lol

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